The company has shipped 100 of these cars. Now they get reviewed. The news isn’t good.

  1. SysFin says:

    Yea, absolutely must be an evil conspiracy. This is clean NOT a case of Tesla being over hyped and using cherry picking numbers. All 100 Teslas were perfect and it was the evil conspirators that broke the brakes.

  2. bobbo says:

    Obama was actually asked directly what he thought of putting a Federal Tax on gasoline to keep the price higher than market in order to encourage fuel efficient cars, development of energy independence, revenue for infrastructure etc.

    Obama said he was not for it as Americans were under enough pressure already.

    Sad to hear “no change” in our energy policy or words instead of deeds.

    I think a phased in tax for the reasons stated would be very wise policy. We are only digging our hole deeper now with oil predicted to go to $40 a barrel before going back up.

  3. JCincy says:

    Let’s apply science to this “Green” car:

    When you transport something their will be waste do to friction or resistance. Electricity is not immune to this fact. I can’t wait for the brown outs in California when everyone plugs in their car at night to recharge.

    Rechargeable batteries that “store” this potential electrical energy are not very efficient. And this efficiency breakdowns rather quickly. What is the useful life of a laptop battery?

    Electric cars waste more energy than the petrol alternatives. But who cares as long as no smoke comes out the tail? Right?

  4. Mister Mustard says:

    #22 – JCincy

    >>I can’t wait for the brown outs in
    >>California when everyone plugs in their car
    >>at night to recharge.

    Shouldn’t be any worse than the brownouts every morning when they plug in their coffee makers. Or their hair dryer. They draw more current than the Tesla recharger.

  5. bobbo says:

    #22 – JCincy==well done, you did that on purpose right? Been a while since I’ve seen such a hodgepodge of mismatched concepts/terminology.

    You demonstrate the education and communication skills of a young earth creationist. God Bless You.

  6. Andy says:

    Just finished listening to TWiT, and had the same thought about John posting this to piss off Calcanis (you could hear the two of them on the brink of coming to blows for a minute). Calcanis said, “Can you just cut them some slack?” No, Jason, for a car that costs north of $100k, I’m not cutting them any slack. Speaking from the normal gadget loving middle class who cannot fathom buying a $100k car ( much less buying a second one to give away), that damn thing had better drive for me and never have a single issue over the lifetime of the car.

    Think about it – you can’t use this for much other than a simple commute. If you want to drive somewhere more than 100 miles away, you’re pushing it (200 miles there and back driving responsibly to maximize range). Going somewhere further away? Like Vegas from San Fran? No frakkin’ way, that’s about 575 miles. Even driving sensibly, that’s going to be three recharges before you even get there. And anywhere but your house where you’ve paid another $2k for the special wiring needed for the quick charger (3 hours time), you’re going to have to stop for an extended charge. The infrastructure simply isn’t there, and won’t be there until you start getting more of these on the road. And you’re not going to get more of these on the road unless you have a longer range and lower price. Still, there’s not much getting around the recharging issue until they get to a new battery technology (like the zinc-air batteries maybe?). Meanwhile, I’ll take my Prius that cost 1/4 the amount and get there on a single tank of gas (or close to it, might be hard to maintain the mileage through the mountains).

  7. Mister Mustard says:

    #24 – Bobbo

    Hey! JCincy is a scientist! Didn’t you see him say “Let’s apply science to this “Green” car:”??

  8. pedro says:

    #10 Wow! What a post! Such contributor should be the best one around here.

    His replies and dissertions are so filled with wisdom, I’ll need a whole week to digest just this one.

    #17 Such an informed person. Such high standards. No freeloader goes past his expertise.

  9. Shane says:

    @Mr Mustard.

    I’m sorry – are you trying to say that someone that speaks actual English instead of bastardised American English is wrong for saying the word Aluminum correctly?



  10. bill says:

    TOP GEAR is available on iTunes…

    I want one powered by a ZPM, Zero Point Module! or a Fuel Cell…

    Yes, have two!

  11. Mister Mustard says:

    #27 – ‘dro

    Si no tienes nada que añadir, STFU, m’hijito.

  12. kyle006 says:

    good first step, but it is a 1.0 and we all know how 1.0 technology goes

  13. So, Jeremy Clarkson says the Tesla doesn’t work in the real world? Do you know what he says about motorcycles? Short answer: They will kill you. Long answer:

    Still, Top Gear is the best show ever, but don’t buy everything they say.

  14. Olo Baggins of Bywater says:

    Laptop batteries suck because they’re pushed too hard and they get hot. A newer Li-Ion technology (google A123) loses a bit of efficiency but runs far safer on cheap lead-acid chargers. This is the stuff they’re putting in high-end cordless drills, and hopefully these kinds of cars. I’ve got a pile of them in a robot, and those bastids are amazing, and freaking nasty! That is, their peak current is >70A per 3.6V cell, enough for this experienced electronics guy to be worried about when soldering them together. :)

    They can charge very fast, if you have a big enough source. Ten minutes for a car.

  15. Mister Mustard says:

    #25 – Andy

    >>Speaking from the normal gadget loving middle
    >>class who cannot fathom buying a $100k car….

    This version is not for normal gadget loving middle class guys. It’s for guys like Mr. Curry, with their private airplanes and homes in various countries on various continents, but who don’t want to spend $5,000,000.00 on the hydrogen cars they give to Brad Pitt and George Clooney.

    Watch for Version 2.0. Unless gainsayers like Paddy-RAMBO put the kibosh on anything that doesn’t have all the amenities of his Dodge Caravan, this is a bold step forward.

  16. Thinker says:

    Well obviously not the car for the rest of us, yet. Still, its the first electric car I’ve seen that I like! And its mostly there, the gov should give these guys the $$, as they’ve got a good product that should be further developed.

    I’d love to commute in it. I have to drive 35 miles each way.

  17. Andy says:

    #33 Mister Mustard

    I must agree, it’s a great step forward. From a geek perspective, the concept of a purely electric car is awesome, not to mention one that does 0-60 in 3.9. I love my Prius, and if Tesla can do something to extend the range on the electric car then I might be more onboard. But, no matter what the technology is, you still have to get the car that’s best suited for your application. My Prius is for my normal commutes, and I can regularly get 55mpg out of it. I can carry the kids with me too, but only if my wife isn’t with us. If we go somewhere where we are all going, we have to drive the van (Caravan) simply because we can’t fit all three kids and their dang booster seats in the back of the Prius. Plus, the van is so much more suited to the family application.

    So, I’ve got my Prius, my wife has her Prius for her day-to-day stuff, and we kept the van (paid for, cheap insurance) for the family stuff. We’re pushing it if we put 200 miles/month on the van, so our total consumption is still way down. The Tesla just simply wouldn’t be a suitable car for our applications. But, it’s still hard to fathom $100k for a car that you couldn’t drive from San Fran to LA without having to stop somewhere for a few hours to charge the car. This is where I think electric cars are going to have trouble, and fuel-cell cars might have an edge in the alternative energy car deal . . . if those ever get made. It’s all about infrastructure at that point. If you can’t fill up your hydrogen fuel cell conveniently, why get the car? But, if there aren’t any cars around, why build the fuel cell stations? Chicken and egg argument.

    Maybe that’s what Tesla can do, augment the Tesla with an optional fuel cell for longer range? Of course, that doesn’t address the reliability issues that Top Gear hit – the brakes failing and the engine overheating.

  18. Mister Mustard says:

    #35 – Andy

    I agree, but the petro-powered Lotus Elise (bargain-priced at about $50,000) isn’t going to do you much good on a camping trip with the kids and the wife and the tent and the dog.

    The Tesla is a niche product for people who want to be green and groovy AND to show off how much money they have, but without having to reveal that they don’t have $5,000,000.00 for a hydrogen car and that they’re not famous enough to get one for free like Brad Pitt.

    However, the technology is improving, and the cost (which is steep now) will come down. You can easily drop $100K+ on a gasoline-powered Maserati, Lamborghini, or Ferrari. In fact, a Ferrari 612 Scaglietti runs about #315,000, and enough people buy them to make it worth Ferrarri’s while to produce them. You could get three Teslas for that price.

    It’s annoying when wet-blanket luddites whine about the high cost and the lack of absolute perfection in the first iteration of a product. Windows 1.0 sucked, the airplane 1.0 sucked, television 1.0, even the automobile 1.0 sucked. With the exception of Windows, they all improved and became cheaper over time. And so will this.

    For now, the Common Man can buy a Prius (I love mine, btw). In 5 or 10 years, maybe an electric car.

  19. Carcarius says:

    Yeah, why is it irrelevant? If you watched the whole thing Jones explains why all that speed is pointless. I’ll have to catch this episode on the “tele”.

    It is a pretty amazing feat of engineering… for the rich to buy as a trophy car.

    I love Top Gear… great show.

  20. Mister Mustard says:

    #35 – Andy

    >>Of course, that doesn’t address the
    >>reliability issues that Top Gear hit – the
    >>brakes failing and the engine overheating.

    Well, what he actually said was “while it was being charged, its breaks had broken”. They didn’t fail while the driver was beating the shit out of the thing. Unless there’s some kind of voodoo electric field effect that ruins Tesla car brakes, they got bunged up somehow while in the garage.

    As to the overheading, well, yeah. If you want to drive the thing like Danica Patrick, Indy car driver and Go Daddy Girl, you may suffer “overheating and reduced power”. But at least it won’t blow up and burn you to death, like a gasoline engine.