Nutball blogger arrested for threats to judges

Published on June 25th, 2009

Posted by Eideard in Politics, The Internet, crime

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From a previous arrest

The FBI has arrested an Internet blogger from New Jersey on charges of threatening three prominent Chicago judges who authored an anti-gun rights ruling earlier this month.

Hal Turner, 47, of North Bergen, N.J., allegedly posted a headline “These judges deserve to be killed,” supplemented the next day by, “Judges official public work addresses and a map of the area are below. Their home addresses and maps will follow soon. Behold these devils.”

Below this headline, the entry listed the names, photos, phone numbers, work addresses and room numbers of the three judges involved in the handgun decision, as well as a photo of the Dirksen Federal Courthouse in Chicago and a map, according to an affidavit. The photo of the building had been modified to include arrows and a label referencing “Anti-truck bomb barriers,” according to the affidavit…

“We take threats to federal judges very seriously. Period,” Patrick J. Fitzgerald, U.S. Attorney for the Northern District of Illinois, said in a written statement.

Turner is charged with threatening to assault and murder three federal judges. He faces a maximum penalty of 10 years in prison, if convicted.

The NRA and other nutballs will consider him a hero.

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# 1 LotsaLuck said, on June 25th, 2009 at 6:05 am

>The NRA and other nutballs will consider him a hero.

Nutballs might consider him a hero, perhaps, but I don’t recall the NRA ever advocating violence against detractors.

# 2 Mr. Fusion said, on June 25th, 2009 at 6:19 am

I don’t think the right wing nuts will understand the seriousness of this.

Already I can picture Alphie condoning his actions because he also published anti-abortion rants.

I can see Liberty Loser screaming about his right of free speech being denied by the big, bad, monolithic, dictorial Federal Government bent of ruining him personally with the taxes needed to prosecute the guy.

I can even picture Cow-patty telling us how life at a popcycle stand has shown him how all Federal Judges are liberals.

Please, prove me wrong.

# 3 1ofMany said, on June 25th, 2009 at 6:24 am

I think what he’s done is reprehensible and most certainly wrong but it saddens me to think that had he posted YOURS or MY personal information nothing would have happened.

# 4 LDA said, on June 25th, 2009 at 6:32 am

The Founding Fathers would have approved.

# 5 Olo Baggins of Bywater said, on June 25th, 2009 at 6:47 am

To the first person to defend this dipwad…do we want to end up like Colombia or Mexico?

Mr. F is right, this is really serious, we cannot allow ourselves to turn into another Colombia or Mexico.

I blame the NRA for getting this dolt so worked up.

# 6 Somebody_Else said, on June 25th, 2009 at 6:53 am

“The NRA and other nutballs will consider him a hero.”

You know, not everyone who has views different from your own is a nutjob.

This guy was an idiot, plain and simple.

# 7 Uncle Don said, on June 25th, 2009 at 6:53 am

#4:

Assassinate judges whose rulings you didn’t like? No, they wouldn’t advocate killing. They’d certainly denounce the rulings and hope the higher courts would see reason.

If not? They’d rewrite the Constitution — after all, they wrote it.

# 8 Patrick said, on June 25th, 2009 at 6:59 am

# 5 Olo Baggins of Bywater said, “I blame the NRA for getting this dolt so worked up.”

I blame Jefferson and other Founding Fathers:

“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it’s natural manure.”

“No freeman shall ever be debarred the use of arms”

“[The Constitution preserves] the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation…(where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms.”

“Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretence, raised in the United States. A military force, at the command of Congress, can execute no laws, but such as the people perceive to be just and constitutional; for they will possess the power, and jealousy will instantly inspire the inclination, to resist the execution of a law which appears to them unjust and oppressive. ”

I blame the judges for violating their oaths of office & the Constitution…

# 9 Olo Baggins of Bywater said, on June 25th, 2009 at 7:05 am

#8, fine. Then let’s just shoot the judges. To hell with their rights.

# 10 Daniel said, on June 25th, 2009 at 7:07 am

The NRA has absolutely nothing to do with this guys actions. He obviously has issues and doesn’t know how to respond to his anger appropriately.

# 11 Mr Diesel said, on June 25th, 2009 at 7:13 am

“The NRA and other nutballs will consider him a hero.”

Now I see why so many people refer to you as eideard the retard.

Mr Fusion
I don’t give two shits what he said on his blog about abortion or anything else for that matter, advocating the the death of a judge or anyone else for that matter just because they have a different point of view is wrong.

I happen to own and carry a firearm every chance I get and although I don’t agree with the judge’s decisions it is my responsibility to act within our laws and Constitution to get things changed.

NRA Life Member
(No, they DO NOT ADVOCATE threatening judges and they never have)

# 12 Patrick said, on June 25th, 2009 at 7:17 am

# 9 Olo Baggins of Bywater said, “#8, fine. Then let’s just shoot the judges. To hell with their rights.”

Go for it if you want.

Anyway, I see you don’t have a word to say about the judges violation of the constitution nor about the Founding Fathers ideas as to why the 2nd exists… Typical of uneducated people.

# 13 Sea Lawyer said, on June 25th, 2009 at 7:26 am

This guy is a maniac.

These judges also aren’t the brightest group either apparently. Quoted from the article:

They said they had no choice but to leave intact Chicago’s handgun ban because the U.S. Supreme Court’s ruling throwing out Washington, D.C.’s, gun ban said the Second Amendment limited the power of the federal government, not the states

So, the entire reason why the 1st Amendment is now made to also apply to the states is because of the change that occurred with the 14th Amendment. In fact, all of the restrictions placed on the Federal Government in the Bill of Rights, now also apply to the states as well because of the 14th. This is well established. Yet, these three bozos think that the 2nd Amendment is some sort of exception?

# 14 Olo Baggins of Bywater said, on June 25th, 2009 at 7:29 am

Patrick, you’re saying they deserve to be killed for, in your opinion, violating the constitution??

# 15 Patrick said, on June 25th, 2009 at 7:31 am

#13 Come on! The 14th Amendment doesn’t exist. O’Mama’s appointee, Soyotmeyer? Doesn’t believe the Bill of Rights applies outside of the beltway either…

# 16 Patrick said, on June 25th, 2009 at 7:34 am

#14 Keep dodging the issue with false allegations. Typical of someone who knows nothing about the U.S. and its history.

# 17 Dallas said, on June 25th, 2009 at 7:37 am

Right wingnutts are on a march. Pres Obama needs to start picking them off one by one using Navy SEAL snipers.

We cannot tolerate
- assassination of doctors
- assassinations at national memorials.
- assassination attempts at Federal judges.

Start now. Hit them hard

# 18 Patrick said, on June 25th, 2009 at 7:42 am

#17 That is funny. You forgot one under, what can’t be tolerated:

-assassination of US citizens in the US, by Islamic terrorists.

Looks like O’Mama forgot about that threat…

Please send him a note will you?

# 19 Olo Baggins of Bywater said, on June 25th, 2009 at 7:44 am

Patrick, the issue is: this guy thinks it’s OK to kill judges because he dislikes their ruling. You seem to be agreeing with him.

# 20 Patrick said, on June 25th, 2009 at 7:45 am

#19 Dodging again. Please show where I said I agree with him killing judges. If you can’t, get off the blog.

# 21 Rick's Cafe said, on June 25th, 2009 at 7:47 am

#9
“..Then let’s just shoot the judges. To hell with their rights..”

The judges have a right to live, they don’t have the right to do their job so poorly they infringe on the rights of others. For that reason they should be replaced/retired.

But since you said (in writing)you want to kill the judges, I’ll expect the FBI will be knocking at your door soon. Maybe you can argue that your comments were taken out of context…similar to the argument that the accused will use.

Thank goodness our new Government is trolling all the blogs, protecting the citizens from evil doers…says a commenter who is glad he didn’t accidentally misspeak ….so far this week.

# 22 Jägermeister said, on June 25th, 2009 at 7:47 am

#2 – Mr. Fusion

So true.

# 23 Olo Baggins of Bywater said, on June 25th, 2009 at 7:51 am

Patrick, You quoted TJ (and random fathers) about the need for bloodshed….and you disagree with it? Why, then, did you post those quotes?

# 24 GigG said, on June 25th, 2009 at 7:52 am

When I joined the NRA years ago I had to sign a pledge that I was not nor ever have been member of an organization who’s aim is the overthrow of the United States Government.

How may liberal organizations require that?

# 25 Patrick said, on June 25th, 2009 at 7:52 am

# 21 Rick’s Cafe said, “Thank goodness our new Government is trolling all the blogs, ”

No need. I just reported his threat to a guy who works at the regional FBI field office. Olo Bilge Water can now expect a full colonoscopy. LOL

# 26 Patrick said, on June 25th, 2009 at 7:54 am

# 23 Olo Baggins of Bywater said, “Why, then, did you post those quotes?”

You really can’t read? Typical of homicidal criminals.

I said the guys who wrote those thoughts got this guy fired up, NOT the NRA.

# 27 GetSmart said, on June 25th, 2009 at 7:57 am

At least the not overly bright and potentially violent have gotten easier to spot with the Information Supercollider on the job.

# 28 Mr. Fusion said, on June 25th, 2009 at 7:59 am

#15, Cow-Patty,

Come on! The 14th Amendment doesn’t exist. O’Mama’s appointee, Soyotmeyer? Doesn’t believe the Bill of Rights applies outside of the beltway either…

#16
Keep dodging the issue with false allegations. Typical of someone who knows nothing about the U.S. and its history.

*
#18,
That is funny. You forgot one under, what can’t be tolerated:

-assassination of US citizens in the US, by Islamic terrorists

So many times you have been shown you are wrong. You are still wrong no matter how you refer to the President or asinine comments you make about a Supreme Court appointee.

# 29 Olo Baggins of Bywater said, on June 25th, 2009 at 8:01 am

GigG, I didn’t know that. Will the NRA take away his membership, assuming he has one?

# 30 Mr. Fusion said, on June 25th, 2009 at 8:02 am

The NRA actively promotes the possession and use of all weapons. Instead of understanding the damage a firearm may do, they like to think the firearm is blameless and focus entirely on the “criminal”.

# 31 Mr. Fusion said, on June 25th, 2009 at 8:03 am

Cow-Patty,

Thank you for proving my comment in #2 correct.

# 32 JimR said, on June 25th, 2009 at 8:06 am

Patrick, Fusion made me curious…. has your popsicle stand ever been robbed by an Islamic terrorist? Do you carry a gun just in case? If you were to be robbed, what flavors are most valuable? Have you ever refused to serve arabs? How is global warming affecting the popsicle business? If Obama was a woman, would you call him O’Pappa?

# 33 Patrick said, on June 25th, 2009 at 8:28 am

It’s a great feeling to drive the lib nut jobs to distraction.

BTW Olo Bilgewater, when making threats against Federal Judges it would be wise to use an encrypted proxy. I can see by your IP that you don’t. Big mistake.

# 34 Olo Baggins of Bywater said, on June 25th, 2009 at 8:29 am

Mr F…I wonder how much focus will this criminal get? If the NRA really cared, he would be put on their public shit list and his face would become a popular range target. This nitwit hurts their cause immeasurably, not that I care about that, but they don’t actively ostracize guys like this and that means the NRA implicitly approves of them…cultivating even more nutballs.

# 35 Olo Baggins of Bywater said, on June 25th, 2009 at 8:30 am

Patrick, when I ever decide to make a threat, I’ll take your advice.

# 36 Dallas said, on June 25th, 2009 at 8:31 am

#18 I agree, Paddy-O or whatever handle you use now.

I’ll send Obama a message to grow some balls and start picking off right conservative wingnutts right here in the US terrorizing the country.

In addition, Obama needs a little George Bush smugness to push through his Healthcare agenda.

The Bush/Cheney regime smugness used to push through hairball ideas, invade countries and shit on my Constitutional Rights is something Obama needs in dealing with domestic problems.

# 37 Patrick said, on June 25th, 2009 at 8:31 am

# 35 Olo Baggins of Bywater said, “Patrick, when I ever decide to make a threat…”

You already did, and it’s reported…

# 38 Mr. Fusion said, on June 25th, 2009 at 8:36 am

#13, SL,

In fact, all of the restrictions placed on the Federal Government in the Bill of Rights, now also apply to the states as well because of the 14th. This is well established. Yet, these three bozos think that the 2nd Amendment is some sort of exception?

Almost.

It is well established that State and Federal governments may regulate behavior, even under the Bill of Rights. Thus, under certain circumstances the government may prohibit people gathering in a certain area, or allow specific entry into your house without warrant. They may also prohibit the personal ownership of certain types of weapons such as rocket launchers or nuclear bombs.

These three “bozos” as you call them, were only following precedent as laid out by the Supreme Court.

# 39 Mr. Fusion said, on June 25th, 2009 at 8:39 am

#32, Jim,

With all respects sir, a correction is in order. Cow-Patty calls it a popCycle stand. We weren’t quite sure what he meant but if he sells ‘em, he knows how to spell ‘em.

# 40 Mr. Fusion said, on June 25th, 2009 at 8:43 am

#37, Cow-Patty,

It is a Federal offense to falsely report a crime. Your highly placed contacts should tell you that.

What a clown. Proves me right again.

# 41 Olo Baggins of Bywater said, on June 25th, 2009 at 8:44 am

Patrick, cool, thanks! I’ve spent some time in one of the FBI’s RCFL offices and worked with one of their guys on a project. They don’t waste their time on BS.

# 42 JimR said, on June 25th, 2009 at 8:46 am

#33, Hatrick: “BTW Olo Bilgewater, when making threats against Federal Judges it would be wise to use an encrypted proxy. I can see by your IP that you don’t. Big mistake.”

Posting instructions on how to threaten a Federal Judge and not get caught Hatrick? Tch, tch…. why am I not surprised?

# 43 Sea Lawyer said, on June 25th, 2009 at 8:52 am

#38, Fusion, your point that some regulation is oftentimes allowed is irrelevant.

According to the article, the judges ruled that the Chicago ban was valid because the 2nd Amendment only restricted the federal government, not the states.

14th Amendment:

No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States

Clearly, if the Supreme Court has ruled that the 2nd Amendment was violated by the federal government with the handgun ban in D.C., then that same immunity is being violated by the City of Chicago with its ban.

# 44 jbellies said, on June 25th, 2009 at 9:00 am

Here I thought the End would start with a million people given a year or less to live by their physicians, looking for meaning in their remaining months, juxtaposed with million-dollar bonus executives of bailout companies–and their home addresses. Or if the condemned are up for foreign travel, maybe donning a burqa and giving the suicide bomb generals a taste of their own tactics. Warning: ordnance may explode suddenly. But a lo(o)ner ranting because judges a thousand miles away won’t unban guns? Possibly dangerous, but the End? Nah!

# 45 JimR said, on June 25th, 2009 at 9:10 am

Re #39, Mr. Fusion… Oh, I stand corrected then sir.

A popcycle stand, eh? I’ve heard about that one… flavors are bandana, grate, charry, oringe and chucklet. Seems no one has ever seen a transaction… some suspect it’s a front for Islamic terrorist activity.

# 46 MikeN said, on June 25th, 2009 at 9:11 am

What’s funny is if the guy were Muslim, people on this blog would agree that he has been railroaded by the Feds.

# 47 Olo Baggins of Bywater said, on June 25th, 2009 at 9:13 am

wait wait…is he the guy in the TV ads selling the popcycles without sticks?

# 48 LDA said, on June 25th, 2009 at 9:19 am

# 7 Uncle Don

No, assassinating judges that infringe your right to self defence if no other recourse was possible. They would have tarred and feathered them, then launched all out war when the red shirts (think ATF / FBI etc.) attacked. They did advocate killing (and killed about 2,500 people, mainly enemy soldiers). I am not American but I did do American history in high school.

Re-write it to say what? A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed?

I do not approve, I would advocate voting for people that uphold the constitution and arresting those who do not (pretty much all of your representatives), or change the constitution through referendum, but yes the Founding Fathers would have.

# 49 Dave W said, on June 25th, 2009 at 9:27 am

Well, well, well, let’s see now.

The work addresses and telephone numbers of the judges should be in the phone book, so no problem posting that.

Saying “They deserve to be killed” is different from saying they “should be killed”.

The home addresses and/or phone numbers, er, ah, most likely not. I’d assume that the judges are unlisted. This is where he really screwed up.

Of course, his obsession with it makes him a nutball.

As for the judges, they should be removed from office (are there recalls or confirmation votes for judges in Illinois like in Calif.?) Any first year history student could prove them wrong.

As for the NRA, yes, they advocate the ownership and use of firearms. Outside the military, they are also the primary advocates and educators regarding gun safety BECAUSE they are well aware of the destruction that guns can cause when misused. Note that a firearm is an inanimate object. Those who blame guns for destruction are no brighter than those who blame the table leg when they stub their toe on it.

# 50 lmj3325 said, on June 25th, 2009 at 9:30 am

> # 6 Somebody_Else said, on June 25th, 2009
> at 6:53 am
> You know, not everyone who has views different
> from your own is a nutjob.

That is Eideard’s modus operandi…

# 51 Alfred1 said, on June 25th, 2009 at 9:33 am

Hmmm…Nutball is a blogger…Eideard is a blogger…what a compelling argument, right Eideard?

NRA, Christians, every conservative I know, considers that BLOGGER a nutball…

# 52 Rick's Cafe said, on June 25th, 2009 at 10:05 am

#30
“.. they like to think the firearm is blameless..”

1) Aren’t you bored with life….knowing what everyone thinks? And if you don’t know what everyone thinks, they why do you say you do?
2) A tool is blameless – An inanimate object doesn’t/can’t have human traits.

8 words, 2 lies.

There is enough difference in opinions about facts, you don’t need to make up stuff.

Unless of course it’s a really good story, a saga…ya know, the stuff dreams are made of. In that case, facts just get in the way:)

# 53 Rick's Cafe said, on June 25th, 2009 at 10:07 am

#26
Due to budget cutbacks, all lubrication is on back-order.
LOL

# 54 Breetai said, on June 25th, 2009 at 10:19 am

Self defense will no longer be legal in your lifetime, and everyone here is applauding it.

# 55 LDA said, on June 25th, 2009 at 11:23 am

#54 Breetai

Tyrants do not make it ‘legal’ to oppose them.

P.S. Everyone here is not applauding it.

# 56 Named said, on June 25th, 2009 at 11:49 am

Did anyone else notice that Paddy-0 (it’s a zero, and it’s PATENTED) or Patrick, as he likes to be called now that his moms basement has a door he can lock, links his name to the NSA.GOV? The hater of Federalis links to the worst of the them all… Unless their spying on darkies of course…

# 57 Named said, on June 25th, 2009 at 11:53 am

51, Alfred1

I see that you’re trying to link things together. Unfortunately, your poor grasp of English and English grammar is so piss poor (are you secretly an illegal Mexican?) that you failed. Again.

Change your name Alfred1. Maybe it’ll confuse us for a day or so like the Paddy-0 / Patrick swap.

# 58 Patrick said, on June 25th, 2009 at 12:00 pm

# 55 LDA said, “Tyrants do not make it ‘legal’ to oppose them. P.S. Everyone here is not applauding it.”

Excellent point. Lost only on the left wing nuts who are applauding…

# 59 Mr. Fusion said, on June 25th, 2009 at 1:29 pm

#45, Jim,

A terrorist front? Sheeet !!! Why didn’t we ever think of that. It is so obvious. Play a stupid right wing nut and everyone will think your weird behavior is now explainable. Rant about guns and shooting and we will dismiss the weapons cache as just some red neck militia wannabe.

Phuck, how could we be so steuupid??? Call in Homeland Security. Eideard, ya got his address? Report the son of a bitch traitor terrorist!!!

# 60 deowll said, on June 25th, 2009 at 1:35 pm

The NRA would consider the guy who posted the threats to be a nut ball who needs to be arrested.

On the other hand I consider the guy that posted the story and gave his views to be a narrow minded bigot but that most likely shouldn’t get him arrested.

Of course he is guilty of slander and might stand for prosecution if a new law about on line bullying goes into effect.

However many liberals considered it to be good clean fun to tell vicious lies about conservatives so maybe not. In some states this protection might only apply to liberals.

# 61 Mr. Fusion said, on June 25th, 2009 at 1:36 pm

#52, Rick,

8 words, 2 lies.

And aren’t you ashamed?

Your point 1), yes, right wing nuts do like to make things up.

Your point 2, who gave an inanimate object human traits? Who decided that inanimate objects are incapable of being the cause (blame) of something happening?

# 62 Anonymous said, on June 25th, 2009 at 1:36 pm

That guy looks like PATRIC NORTON! (I’m sure you know who that is.) …maybe he’s a cousin?

# 63 Rick's Cafe said, on June 25th, 2009 at 3:16 pm

#61
Now That’s funny!
Were you the one who came up with the argument of the defination of “is”?
A true work of wordsmith art!

# 64 Mr. Fusion said, on June 25th, 2009 at 5:19 pm

#63, Rick,

Were you the one who came up with the argument of the defination of “is”?

Alas, no. The credit for that belongs with all the various lexicographers. My American Heritage Dictionary has 12 entries and a quarter page. I understand the Oxford Dictionary has 1 1/2 pages of definitions although I haven’t seen it.

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