On today’s “Morning Meeting with Dylan Ratigan” on MSNBC, Iowa Senator Charles Grassley, ranking member of the Senate Finance Committee, said that even if the
committee’s final version of a health insurance reform bill gives him everything he says he wants, he will vote against it.
When NBC’s Chuck Todd, in a follow-up question on the show, asked the Iowa Republican if he’d vote against what Grassley might consider to be a “good deal” — i.e., gets everything he asks for from Senate Finance Chairman Max Baucus (D) — Grassley replied, “It isn’t a good deal if I can’t sell my product to more Republicans.”
In short, Grassley says he’s willing to walk away from legislation in which he gets everything he wants. Over to you, Max Baucus…
Why won’t our politicians lead nowadays? Is it really that hard to explain to your constituents why unpopular legislation should be passed? It seems that everyone’s afraid to stick their necks out on anything.
#119, And here we have LL’s philosophy in a nutshell. If they’re too poor to be able to afford health insurance, let ‘em die. All righty then.
You think that because I don’t believe in a Federal Insurance Program, I’ll let everyone without insurance die? Man, what kind of mind have you got?
That’s your fear talking, not common sense.
#117, Loser,
Those other countries are scaling back their medical services substantially because they can’t afford “free” healthcare for everyone anymore.
Is that another of Boss Limpdick’s rants? Please post something to show us other countries are “scaling back”. And it helps your credibility if you use something other than Leibertarian crap.
#122, I don’t have to prove it. You are the one trying to convince me to approve the implementation of such a monstrosity, so get crackin!
I would prefer you answered my other question first, though.
#121, Loser,
You think that because I don’t believe in a Federal Insurance Program, I’ll let everyone without insurance die? Man, what kind of mind have you got?
Actually, yes.
If you have a plan that would help those without insurance get medical care then please tell us.
Please note, your lack of compassion for your fellow human being makes you a perfect Christian.
#122, Oh, and just for the record, I am on record as saying I don’t listen to “Boss Limpdick.”
#124, Please note, your lack of compassion for your fellow human being makes you a perfect Christian.
That’s rich coming from someone who’s admitted they would let 10 strangers die to save their wife.
When are you going to answer WHY?
I love it when liberals toss out words like “compassion” in defending ObamaCare. It’s not compassion; it’s compulsion.
Answer me this: What good is compassion when it is mandated by another person? Compassion comes about only through a personal choice to sacrifice for someone else. It is the result of acting on one’s own agency to help another.
Social programs, like the proposed health care legislation, invalidate any human choice in the matter. It takes away one’s freedom to choose. Government would rather take my money so it can redistribute it, rather than allow me to give it on my own accord.
Compassion is obviously a factor when you vote for representatives who push programs that are compassionate. AFTER that, you again have the opportunity to act individually as compassionately or not as you wish.
So simple, even a retard should get it, but none of you do.
Whats dumber than a retard???????
Thats right===a LIEBERTARIAN.
Hah, hah.
Dolts.
So, your entire argument is based on, “Two Wrongs Make A Right?”
BWAHAHAHAHA!
No, my argument is based on: Medicare didn’t need a constitutional amendment, so health care for the rest of us won’t either.
But I’m glad you’re such a happy guy.
#127 eaglescout1998 complains about his tax dollars going to benefit other people. Oh, the horror! Forced to pay for roads that other people drive on. Forced to pay for gov’t research to cure diseases he doesn’t have. Forced to pay for the Army to defend parts of the country he doesn’t live in. Forced to pay for OSHA to keep workplaces safe where he doesn’t work. Forced to pay for EPA to keep the air clean where he doesn’t breathe. Forced to pay for Medicare for elderly people who aren’t his parents. WILL THE HORROR NEVER END???
eaglescout1998, meet LibertyLover. Two selfish bastards who want to take the benefits from other people’s tax payments but don’t want to pay any themselves. Two loony Libertarians, peas in a pod.
#130, Answer the question.
Would you let 10 strangers die or your wife?
Sigh… sorry to quote myself from other threads, but I’ll post this here for your convenience:
Give it up, LL. Asking your bogus question again and again just makes you look more and more loony. Just admit it, you’re selfish, like you said, and you want the benefits from other taxpayers’ dollars, you just don’t want to pay yourself. Have the courage of your convictions, don’t weasel around trying to justify it. Just say it out loud:
“I, LibertyLover, think paying taxes is for suckers. I want all the benefits of society that other people’s taxes pay for, but I don’t want to pay any taxes myself.”
There, was that so hard?
#130 Phydeau: Then based upon your arguments, I suppose you have no problems with the Obama-Bush administration using your tax dollars to bail out Wall Street? After all, what’s good for Wall Street is good for Main Street, right?
Would you let 10 strangers die or your wife? /// Usually that question is answered by whether or not affirmative action is required or mere passivity will get the job done. Something deep wired in the human psych as it exists cross culturally. Fun to read about with the several different examples they give.
My wife??? I wouldn’t let 10 cockroaches die instead of my wife. But then she’s a LIEBERTARIAN too. Maybe not a good example.
#129, You missed the point. Just because Medicare was wrong, doesn’t mean passing something else that is wrong makes it right.
#133 A lot of economists seem to agree with some of what Obama’s doing, i.e. putting money in to avoid a bigger crash. But the way it’s being done seems to put no accountability on the banks. If we the taxpayers are propping up the banks, then we by god should get some say in how the money gets spent, and not just handing it to them to spend on whatever you want. Obama seems to be falling down on the job there. But on the other hand, the Republicans would have given even more to the banks if McCain had been elected, because the R’s are owned even more by the big money boys than the D’s.
#132, The only two people griping about it are the two who don’t have the balls to answer it.
#135 LL, we’ll just have to agree to disagree. Medicare was passed, probably even Republicans voted for it. If there were any complaints about it being unconstitutional they were dismissed. Medicare is now the law of the land. So it’s not unreasonable to extend health care to more people. You can claim both are unconstitutional, and that’s a more internally consistent argument, but good luck convincing anyone that Medicare should be revoked because you think it’s unconstitutional.
#126, Loser,
You really want to take this personal. Who said I would let 10 strangers die to save my wife? Oh, that’s right, YOU did. Because you are trying to prove some silly point that I am a hypocrite or selfish or whatever. You fail to understand the difference between what an individual is capable of doing and what society as a whole is capable of. That is the hallmark of a juvenile.
Again, through your postings you have shown you are still a poser.
You claimed you have a wife, yet your attitude shows you don’t.
You claim to work 10 hours per week for charity; but court ordered community service doesn’t count. Those that do, don’t boast about it.
You claim to be making big bucks taking taxpayer money while claiming governments are wasteful. Is there a disconnect here or are you just making shit up as you go.
You claim to own a business with good health benefits yet have no idea about what the costs are to small businesses. You then claimed to have an even better plan for you and your wife, ya right.
You claim you offered Misanthropic Scott a job but he turned you down; even though you never told him what that job would be or any of the intangibles.
You have been careful NOT to be exact about your ‘supposed’ business as there are too many people here that would see right through your facade.
Just another phony on the right.
#135, Loser,
Just because Medicare was wrong, doesn’t mean passing something else that is wrong makes it right.
Again, you are letting your selfishness show.
Medicare is geared for those who are retired and have little income. That means the elderly. The same ones as built this country even before you were a gleam in your daddy’s eye. The ones who sacrificed themselves through sweat and blood. Those who lost brothers, sisters, parents, and even children through our various wars. Those who created the society you want to destroy.
If you care so little about the infrastructure and America’s freedom, why not pay for what you have. Ya, the whole, true cost and then you can just shut the fuck up and move to some Central American country where they like selfish assholes.
Medicare, Social Security, and most other programs designed for the elderly were earned by those receiving them.