WWJTOOHCS?

Published on October 18th, 2009

Posted by Uncle Dave in Health Care, religion

What Would Jesus Think Of Our Health Care System?

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# 1 smartalix said, on October 18th, 2009 at 9:37 am

*Sound of crickets*

Of course we won’t see much debate here. The Right usually says something along the lines of “things are different now and we shouldn’t slavishly follow the Bible”, then point to somthing in the Old Testament and scream how we must do as it says.

The hypocrisy of much of the Right, in this case religious, is that they follow the Old Testament more than Christ’s own words for every facet of life they expouse and try and force on us.

# 2 fat_anarchy said, on October 18th, 2009 at 9:38 am

1. Nothing, he probabay didn’t exist anyway.

2. If he did exist, I don’t think we can reasonably assertain what he thought, as he does not express any opinions on government-run healthcare in the bible.

3. Even if he did express such opinions, the history of this world’s constant battles over various interpretations of the bible show that this too would be a subjective answer, and we’d never reach a consensus of the “correct” answer.

4. This WWJD crap is annoying. Is it supposed to be an attempt to show some moral superiority in a position? To me its a tired old cliche as well as a logical fallacy. Its pretty much the inversion of the “Thats what hitler did/would do” argument.

# 3 StoopidFlanders said, on October 18th, 2009 at 9:42 am

It’s been awhile since I read the Bible, so forgive my ignorance; Did Jesus have the IRS pull up your tax records before helping? Funny, I don’t remember him sitting in on any death panels, either. Did Jesus have people fined and thrown in jail if they refused to participate in his health care scheme? Tough questions, I know.

# 4 admash said, on October 18th, 2009 at 9:42 am

Jesus the God, Jesus the Teacher or Jesus the Jew?

Jesus the God would give basically the same choice – convert and be healed. Resist and who gives a crap.

Jesus the teacher would teach the people compassion and start a collective private fund to help pay for the medical bills of those who couldn’t afford it.

Jesus the Jew would probably be in-sensed at the idea that any of the goyim could make a better health-care decision than he could. He would consult his jewish friends, then hire a good jewish doctor for himself who was highly recommended AND he thought was appropriate then, try and get the doctor to work for half price.

# 5 ECA said, on October 18th, 2009 at 9:53 am

I get to be first??
OMG..sorry.

I think it shows how far we have sunk, in the idea that we are beating down the ideal of sharing and giving, to each other, and to the family.
MANY are boxed up in cities and dont even learn who their neighbors are, let alone what is happening IN their own hood.
We work MILES away in other areas.
WE shop MILES away from our homes.
WE dont walk to a friends home, we DRIVE.
WE isolate ourselves from each other and LEARN not to care whats OTHERS need…NOT WANT.

Giving assistance to the person who NEEDS it so that they can continue to work and play, and enjoy life.
Even our medical community has this idea to TREAT the symptoms NOT to CURE the problem. They want you coming BACK, over and over, to make money. And to many doctors FORGET their training.
Its also, IMHO, that car insurance is (kinda) stupid. You should understand that WHEN you get in a car, you are going to KILL yourself, or someone ELSE. NOT that you are protected from BEING AN IDIOT.
We also have lost site of the past, and knowing the OLD remedies that HELPED a family to be healthy.. WE have forgotten that we are OMNIVORES..that we Eat everything, and not what is PREPARED and set infront of us. Even at the Grocery, how many different types of apples are there?? Tomatoes?? Oranges..
We feed ourselves on what is GIVEN to us, not what is AVAILABLE. then it is Processed and we loose the basic ideal of WHAT food is, and why nature made it the way IT WAS. Our diets used to be 60-90% fiber/bulk.. NOW-do you KNOW where you food comes from, and what they have done to it?? NOT AN IDEA..
Then after all of this, you think a corporation that gives medical coverage is WANTING to do the best by you?? NOT ON YOUR LIFE. Once they went to being a FOR PROFIT company..YOU LOST.
There used to be regulations out there..
For UTILITIES and MEDICAL coverage.
They are gone now, as these companies LOBBIED to be free and OPEN, and they made promises that THIS wouldnt happen. That they wouldnt change. But they DID.
The Old concepts of HOW a company works and how to spend profit went BYE BYE..as Owner/boss’s went from Profit SHARING to FULL time wages. And you would think a person being paid 24/7 $1000 per hour would KNOW whats happening in his OWN company he is incharge of…NOT!!!
the JOB isnt to take care of people, its to make PROFIT, ANY WAY they can.

# 6 momander said, on October 18th, 2009 at 10:16 am

StoopidFlanders says:
“Funny, I don’t remember him sitting in on any death panels, either.”

Given your user name, I’m not sure if your comment is flame bait or something else. But here is some interesting reading about the origin of the death panel rumors.

# 7 StoopidFlanders said, on October 18th, 2009 at 10:23 am

#6 Hi there.
Generally, it seems to me that anything Jesus/health care ends up being flame-bait. Perhaps you would be kind enough to address my other two concerns if you do not like the death panel comment.

Here’s a scenario; how about hazarding a guess as to how long before this happens: “unpaid speeding ticket? ..no health care for you!”

# 8 Timuchin said, on October 18th, 2009 at 10:45 am

#6, do you have a better source of information than that?!? New York Times and Washington Post are the ultimate source of how leftists are supposed to think. They dispense a little news to build up credibility that they can use for pushing propaganda.

This information came off the original bill, Page 425 Lines 4-12. Government mandated Advance [Death] Care Planning Consultations. This is doublespeak for planning when to dope someone up and leave them to die.

The versions of the bill are scrambled up so we can’t name page & line anymore, but it must still be in there somewhere. Leftists prize this option too much to let the death panel die…

# 9 bobbo, the evangelical anti-theist said, on October 18th, 2009 at 10:50 am

Wouldn’t Jebus say to pray and let god sort things out? Healthcare is more of a philistine activity, as most advancements are.

# 10 bac said, on October 18th, 2009 at 10:55 am

StoopidFL — here is a better scenario: Person has several unpaid parking tickets so government cuts off his medicare. This scenario is just as silly as yours.

You are just trying to come up with some scary story to put fear into peoples minds.

The picture above is about current christians that are against Government run health care but rely on current insurance policies.

Yes, a government run health care system will ration health care just like the insurance companies do now.

I was hoping that this whole health care reform would die so that insurance companies could raise premiums by 50 percent. Who would the people complain to? The government?

# 11 bobbo, the evangelical anti-theist said, on October 18th, 2009 at 11:04 am

#10–gack!!==you think thats what the picture means???? haw, haw. Sure as SATAN thats what it means. You better hope your local pastor/priest/shaman doesn’t know who you are.

You are religious I suppose? Yep, stoking those fires of FUD.

As an anti-theist, I could support you, but I still have empathy for my fellow man.

I think any representation of Jebus is that he cares for the least successful of us. I don’t think that means putting a for profit entity between sick people and the care they need.

You are a bad silly person.

# 12 t0llyb0ng said, on October 18th, 2009 at 11:08 am

What would Jeebus think of our spelling?

expouse
assertain
dont
loose

# 13 Traaxx said, on October 18th, 2009 at 11:39 am

Since “Uncle Dave Stalin” is an antsiest, then it show how low and empty of morality he truly is to try and use what he considers a myth to sway those that do believe. What a low life piece of scum pound refuge Uncle Dave Stalin is, just like his hero Mao or is it Che or Castro or Tito or Idi Amin.

Jesus healed the people to point toward the Messiah and to show the people the Great Glory of God, not to empower a bunch of spoiled cowardly privileged communistic elitist trash that want to bring about a totalitarian monarchist state of man in their vain attempt to give man the power of life and death.

What you don’t think rationing will occur, you think that once you’re denied health care service you’re be able to sue the government like you can an insurance company? Get real, preserve what control over your life you have, once the Government is giving you health care, then they will be able to say what you can eat, what you can do and when you can do it – all because the collective group of the people is now paying for your health care.

Whatever…………………………….
Traaxx

# 14 bobbo, the evangelical anti-theist said, on October 18th, 2009 at 11:53 am

#13–tracks==maybe “whatever” but certainly not anything YOU would support. WRONG on every point you advance except for those that do “in fact” have good insurance, and for those folks: do you think you will still have it in 5 years?

Idiots voting against their own self interest. They do deserve the Repuglican party, it just drags down the rest of us though.

Facts and Pragmatism
bobbo

# 15 Ah_Yea said, on October 18th, 2009 at 11:54 am

Jesus DID give his two cents about Government Health Care, kinda, in a sorta round-about way.

“And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s. And they marveled at him.”

Well, of course Caesar would be all things government, such as taxes and … wait for it … Government health care!

What would Jesus recommend?
“Do unto others as you would have them do unto you”.

In other words, be good human beings and take care of each other. Don’t ask, do. Don’t take, give. Be Compassionate to those in need. The Good Samaritan.

Good advice.

# 16 Ah_Yea said, on October 18th, 2009 at 12:00 pm

Now for my own two bits.

The big problem with our healthcare system isn’t insurance per say, nor hospitals and doctors.

It’s greed. It’s stealing from the sick to pad a paycheck. It’s stealing from the doctors who are trying their best.

As with most things broken, we have to look toward ourselves as being the cause.

And the cure. I do believe that most people want to do the right thing, and when we get together as a group we can come up with reasonable solutions which has some “fairness”.

We don’t need Jesus to tell us what to do. We have been blessed with brains and compassion, and are expected to use it.

# 17 bac said, on October 18th, 2009 at 12:04 pm

Traaxx, I hope you do not think Uncle Dave photoshopped the above picture. Even though Uncle Dave did post the picture to drive page hits with the added bonus of seeing all of the christian nuts take offense of their beloved liberal god being used as a metaphor for big money sucking corporate insurance companies. Who would jesus side with today the government or the insurance comapanies? I say neither.

People have found ways to sue the government before so I am sure someone out there will be able to sue the government when they are denied some specific health care procedure.

# 18 bac said, on October 18th, 2009 at 12:09 pm

#16 — a tidbit to think about. During elections, politicians keep trying to buy votes by promising tax cuts, tax breaks or tax rebates. In a world where the government ran the health care system, to reduce the cost of the government ran health care all that is needed is for voters to get politicians to give the money back.

# 19 Ah_Yea said, on October 18th, 2009 at 12:12 pm

bac,

LOL! That would fund EVERYTHING!!

# 20 Improbus said, on October 18th, 2009 at 12:54 pm

Traaxx is a troll/moran just like Alfie. Don’t feed him.

# 21 bobbo, the evangelical anti-theist said, on October 18th, 2009 at 1:01 pm

#18–gack!!!==that makes no sense at all. In context, given the USA is the only western society without government sponsored/provided/heavily regulated healthcare, it is the USA that is “in a world.”

In both worlds, voters include non-taxpers as well as taxpayers, but everyone is a health care consumer with that service/necessity rapidly approaching unaffordability. Something the Repugs continue to divert the attention from for those so easily lead to vote against their own interests.

The whole other world provides better coverage, better results, at half the cost. There is the other world we should aim our policies at emulating.

Ah Yea==you must be in a good mood because the government giving the money back doesn’t make any sense. I guess it is that ludicrous whatever is meant by it.

# 22 ECA said, on October 18th, 2009 at 1:14 pm

15,
“Well, of course Caesar would be all things government, such as taxes and … wait for it … Government health care!”

Think about your comment,before stating it..
INT THAT TIME, the gov took the sick to the end of the village and kicked most of them out.
A time that if you were born handicapped, you were killed at birth.. Death rate of women was 70-90% by the age of 20, as giving birth would kill MOST if you survived being born.

LOOK at current LAW.
Did you know that an emergency room ISNT supposed to turn you away?
But they can HOLD you until you PROVE who you are, and show your medical coverage..THEn decide if they WISH to give you medicine.

# 23 meetsy said, on October 18th, 2009 at 1:44 pm

The health care system is just enabling people fading quickly towards the inevitable end that is near. They’re only helping someone to go to their rewards, go to the heavenly father, go to a better place, head off to meet Jesus, are called to heaven, go and meet the maker, or, in less Christian terms: buy the farm, kick the bucket, kick off, swim with fishes, check out, pass away, pass on, bite the big one, bite the dust, to go peg it, carked it, turned their toes up, bought the farm, cash in their chips, fall off their perch, become worm food, or shuffle off this mortal coil.
The health care collective is trying to add to the rolls of the Pearly Gate…..

# 24 LibertyLover said, on October 18th, 2009 at 2:16 pm

Over half the US budget is welfare related and the medical industry is the most regulated industry in the nation. The financial sector is the second most regulated industry in the nation.

Both are FUBAR.

How can government regulation work when self-interested agents are the ones writing the regulations and “donating” to the public “servants?” The answer is it can’t.

In fact, it is going to do nothing but get worse.

You cannot, repeat cannot, expect your government to do what is best for you when there is so much money floating around.

If this medical reform were actually worth a flip, why isn’t Congress going to use it? The answer is because it’s a POS.

But, I guess they have to do something, even it’s wrong.

# 25 bobbo, is it hot in here, or just me said, on October 18th, 2009 at 2:25 pm

#24–Loser==you never fail to amuse.

Idiot. “In fact,” it may well get worse as long as idiots and republicans like you have any sway in the process at all. Once your ilk gets flushed to the Nirvanna they so desire, the rest of us WILL FIX HEALTHCARE, and at worst will simply copy any of the other 37 advanced nations SOCIALIZED MEDICAL SYSTEMS. Then we can modify it per American Exceptionalism for the greater good of all==even idiots like you who don’t deserve it.

# 26 ECA said, on October 18th, 2009 at 3:12 pm

i HAVE TO ASK, you working folk..
How much do you pay from your pay check for medical and WORKMENS COMP?? And if not you, how MUCH does your Employer PAY FOR YOUR benefits???
$200-400-600?? per month.
And if this passes, it will be about 7% of your wages.
Figure it out..
$200 per month and you take home over $2000?
$600 per month?? I hope you are making $6000 per month..
Do the numbers before you comment.
AND…your health care only lasts WHILE you are working…REMEMBER THAT. 3months AFTER you are fired or QUIT..NO COVERAGE unless you wish to pay $1200-2400 per month..

# 27 LibertyLover said, on October 18th, 2009 at 3:15 pm

#26, If you believe that, you deserve what the government gives you.

I pay around 5% right now.

# 28 bobbo, international pastry chef and economic misanthrop said, on October 18th, 2009 at 3:35 pm

#27–LIEBERTY LOSER==proud to have the worst health benefit package around. Hah, hah.

For the rest of us:

Employer costs for health insurance viewed as a percentage of payroll also showed significant variation (Figure 3). In 2005, the median employer cost was 11 percent of payroll, but 25 percent of workers with access to health benefits had employer costs for health insurance that were equal to or less than 6.6 percent of their payroll costs and another 25 percent had employer costs for health insurance that were equal to or exceeded 16.5 percent of their payroll costs. Overall, the percentage of workers in jobs where employer costs for health insurance exceeded 10 percent of payroll rose from 38 percent to 56 percent between 1999 and 2005 (Figure 4).

http://kff.org/insurance/snapshot/chcm030808oth.cfm

# 29 Mr. Fusion said, on October 18th, 2009 at 3:36 pm

#24, Loser,

Over half the US budget is welfare related …

You have been asked before to back up that number and you haven’t. You still post it though. Its bullshit.

the medical industry is the most regulated industry in the nation.

And what is the ‘medical industry”? Does that include drug stores, schools of nursing, battlefield wound dressing, hospital infectious disease control, meat packing plant inspection, and aspirin bottle labeling?

The financial sector is the second most regulated industry in the nation.

They should be the number one policed.

You cannot, repeat cannot, expect your government to do what is best for you when there is so much money floating around.

Yet, as we see, we can’t expect the heath care insurance companies to anything. A large majority of Americans want health care reform. There is only one body that can do that. Those we elect to govern us.

And when you get big enough, and you stay out of jail, you too can help out in choosing who our representatives are. But you have to grow up first.

But, I guess they have to do something, even it’s wrong.

I sincerely believe that you think any government “interference” in the health care insurance industry is too much.

The majority of Americans who want some kind of reform don’t want to do it just for the good of their health. It is because the insurance companies have repeatedly screwed the consumers.

# 30 ECA said, on October 18th, 2009 at 3:53 pm

27,
and your employer pays workmens comp how much??
And your employer pays the OTHER 1/2 of your medical??

# 31 bobbo, international pastry chef and economic misanthrop said, on October 18th, 2009 at 4:37 pm

Hey LOSER:

A small wooden box arrives on the doorstep of a married couple, who open it and become instantly wealthy. Little do they realize that opening the box also kills someone they do not know…

Just remember not to expose yourself while getting off.

# 32 Alfred1 said, on October 18th, 2009 at 5:11 pm

36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence. (Joh 18:36 KJV)

Christ didn’t preach politics…he ignored the Roman occupation…and liberation movements against it.

It follows He would have nothing to say about our Government and health care…if it existed in His day.

When He does arrive, He will have lots to say about all governments…He will abolish them.

As for you loon sociopaths who hate Jesus, but love to exploit Him if it serves a twisted purpose, subverting our freedoms and constitution, you also will be dealt with, when He arrives.

# 33 bobbo, international pastry chef and economic misanthrop said, on October 18th, 2009 at 5:15 pm

#32–HEY ALFIEEEEE!!!!!!

The thread on Humpty Dumpty is right below this one. Cut and paste shouldn’t be too hard, then you can be on topic.

# 34 Mr. Fusion is a freaking idiot said, on October 18th, 2009 at 6:39 pm

#29, Haha you call LL on his “bullshit” by posting a chart that clearly shows a majority of the federal budget being spent on items that most would claim are there to promote the general welfare. Good going brain child.

# 35 Alfred1 said, on October 18th, 2009 at 6:52 pm

#34 Clearly Bobbo and Mr. Fusion are still at the top of their game:

http://dvorak.org/blog/2009/04/30/caption-this-photo-34/

# 36 MikeN said, on October 18th, 2009 at 6:54 pm

The religious left is in action once again.

# 37 Sister Mary Hand Grenade of Quiet Reflection said, on October 18th, 2009 at 7:45 pm

I often wonder WTFWJD while ripping these rosary beads out of my ass.

# 38 bobbo, international pastry chef and constitutional scholar said, on October 18th, 2009 at 8:14 pm

#37–Sister==could you educate this heathen? Is that move called “The Spirit and the Holy Ghost pulling a train?”

#35–HEY ALFFFFIIIEEEEEE!!!!!!! YOU are so tired. I haven’t clicked on your link yet. Tell me its not those two guys playing tennis, and I’ll go there. Until then, your bibble and your cultural references need updating every once in a while.

Is there any difference between “Welfare” and “General Services?” Have to go give that a look see.

# 39 DA said, on October 18th, 2009 at 8:31 pm

This topic is seriously misguided. Jesus would never support socialized medicine, because jesus would never rob peter to pay paul. Jesus is all about voluntary charity. Of course jesus wouldn’t support our current system either.

Maybe the better question is…What type of healthcare market would jesus approve of?

He would undoubtedly support a free market in healthcare, because it’s the only system that is based on voluntary actions.

# 40 bobbo, the evangelical anti-theist said, on October 18th, 2009 at 8:55 pm

#39–DA==I guess it would be a waste of time to ask Jebus why people got ill to begin with?

And what would Jebus approve of in a modern society wherein charity care didn’t provide sufficient services? WWJD Then?

Probably turn everyone into pillars of salt for being so self centered?

I’d rather have Jebus free health care.

# 41 Somebody said, on October 18th, 2009 at 10:58 pm

“What Would Jesus Think Of Our Health Care System?”

I’d say that if He shows up, His opinion on the health care system won’t be your biggest concern.

# 42 LibertyLover said, on October 19th, 2009 at 2:55 am

#29, Until you answer why you would save your wife over strangers, you can just talk to the hand.

# 43 LibertyLover said, on October 19th, 2009 at 3:01 am

#30, Do you really think Workman Comp is going away? Not hardly.

As with all illegal federal handout programs, once it is in place, it will NEVER go away.

This magical 7% everybody is talking about is just pure and utter BS to give a number to something they government has absolutely no clue about.

I usually follow your posts to the best of my ability (in between the random and spontaneous CAPS) and I am dismayed to see you spouting this crap.

# 44 Phydeau said, on October 19th, 2009 at 6:52 am

#42 #29, Until you answer why you would save your wife over strangers, you can just talk to the hand.

The little girlie man runs away and hides behind his silly-ass little question when someone challenges his facts. LL, you almost came up with the courage in the other thread to state what you think without hiding behind bogus questions.

Why is the ones who claim to be so tough are such wimps? Personally, I think it’s a deep-seated fear of being powerless — maybe LL had a domineering mother or father.

# 45 LibertyLover said, on October 19th, 2009 at 6:56 am

#44, You mean where your reading comprehension failed you again? Read it again, Einstein.

Admit it. You don’t want to answer it either because you don’t have the balls to. Come on, be a man! Step up and tell everyone why you would save your wife over strangers.

# 46 Phydeau said, on October 19th, 2009 at 7:24 am

Sigh… libertarians. Like trying to argue with fundamentalist Christians. Oh well, I tried.

# 47 Mr. Fusion said, on October 19th, 2009 at 7:37 am

#34, effen Loser,

Obviously YOU don’t have an effen clue about funded mandates, such as Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid against obvious welfare programs such as education grants.

But then I suppose most of the Defense budget might be called welfare too.

Loser, stay in school. You need the education.

# 48 LibertyLover said, on October 19th, 2009 at 8:41 am

#46/47,

You, two, really crack me up.

You have swallowed so much Kool Aid, you not only believe it, you live it.

If you would simply answer the question, it would no longer be a mystery. You would be able to sleep at night. You would actually get along with people.

Try it. You’ll like it.

# 49 LibertyLover said, on October 19th, 2009 at 8:54 am

#47, BTW . . . that wasn’t me

It appears you’ve failed again.

# 50 Breetai said, on October 19th, 2009 at 9:49 am

I love laughing at the Anti-Religious nutts who think they have a clue about Jesus. It’s even more funny than Republicans using him to claim the moral high ground.

# 51 ECA said, on October 19th, 2009 at 9:51 am

39,
Umm,
can I say something to that?
The bible is the corner stone to Communism/socialism..
OR DONT YOU GET IT??
And do you understand, ROBBING PETER to pay PAUL??
Which is taking from one source to pay a DEBT that is currently OWE’d, so as to delay payment of the SAME funds. Which is more like the Sub-prime loans..

its the THOUGHT that NONE of the advancements in the USA were made without DOLLARS from the USA GOV. Even the continental reail road, the FREEWAYS, the ELECTRICAL GRID…NOTHING is pushed FORWARD without money from the GOV..INCLUDING THE INTERNET AND COMPUTERS..
So say THANK you to uncle sam for your iphone…STUPID

# 52 ECA said, on October 19th, 2009 at 9:57 am

Why a company WILL DO SOMETHING..
NOT willingly..
but for MONEY, and that it costs them NOTHING.
Any company will jump up and DO the job.
VERY few have ever done something JUST to do it.
It has to be PROVEN to work, and cost nothing.
JUST like Perpetual energy.
as in PE, there has to be SOME extra energy to keep it moving..Always alittle, EXTRA is needed. Corps have forgotten this..and RUN OUT of energy.

# 53 Phydeau said, on October 19th, 2009 at 10:10 am

#48 Another example of projection. Libertarianism requires ignoring so much reality — you have to pretend that the U.S. in 2009 is the same as Ayn Rand’s Soviet Union of the 40s and 50s — that it requires drinking a LOT of kool-aid just to tolerate the cognitive dissonance. Only their therapists could say for sure why they do it. Thanks for being a good example, LL.

# 54 LibertyLover said, on October 19th, 2009 at 11:51 am

#53, Which reality would that be? Your democratic reality or that as specified in the Constitution?

This is a Republic, not a democracy.

Big Difference.

# 55 bobbo, libertarianism fails when it becomes dogma said, on October 19th, 2009 at 12:31 pm

#54–LIEBERTARIAN LOSER==speaking of fails, YOU refuse to answer two simple questions that you constantly pose to others:

1. Having stated you would kill 10 other innocent people to save your wife, the question is: How many innocent people would you kill to save your wife?

2. And then just to nail down how self centered, immoral, LIEBERTARIAN, and childish you are: How little money would you accept to kill one random person in the world by hitting a magic button?

Your fellow LIEBERTARINAS and retards the world over are waiting for your example.

# 56 Mr. Fusion said, on October 19th, 2009 at 12:50 pm

#55, Bobbo,

Loser is selfish right up to the point where he denies it. Everyone else in the world is selfish except for Loser.

That means we are selfish because we want what is best for America while Loser only wants what is best for him.

The quality of his thinking has declined to the point where he must either be a high school sophomore or freshman. I used to think he was at least a junior but no self respecting junior could write such weak arguments.

# 57 bobbo, libertarianism fails when it becomes dogma said, on October 19th, 2009 at 1:02 pm

#56–Fusion==If memory serves, LL claims to be a small business owner with a staff of 15–engineers of some sort. He probably thinks the “deference” he is shown at work is because he is such a great guy. Could be true. How many of us present the real world with our blog parody?

But the truth as demonstrated here is that he hates to be confronted and only plays when he thinks he has the superior position: so he askes questions but never answers them and calls that a win. Ha, Ha!!!

When do we think we know it all and stop growing??

# 58 LibertyLover said, on October 19th, 2009 at 1:52 pm

#56, FAIL! a-gain

I’m selfish and admit it.

I would watch the world burn to save my wife.

And I would do it because I love her.

Why would you save your wife over 10 strangers?

# 59 bobbo, libertarianism fails when it becomes dogma said, on October 19th, 2009 at 2:29 pm

#58–LIEBERTARIAN LOSER==speaking of fails, YOU refuse to answer two simple questions that you constantly pose to others:

1. Having stated you would kill 10 other innocent people to save your wife, the question is: How many innocent people would you kill to save your wife? /// And your answer is: “I would watch the world burn to save my wife.” ==== That would be a good premise for a Twilight Zone. Then with the world burnt you look to your wife for love and approval and instead, unless she is also a LIEBERTARIAN OR retarded, she would look at you in horror. “What have you done???” And she immediately puts an asp to her chest leaving you all alone. Course, you are all alone now, but the crowd confuses you. Pretty selfish indeed not to recognize that love means nothing if it is not returned? And who could love such a selfish LIEBERTARIAN???????

2. And then just to nail down how self centered, immoral, LIEBERTARIAN, and childish you are: How little money would you accept to kill one random person in the world by hitting a magic button? //// and you answer: “I’m selfish and admit it.” === but that leaves us without a measure. What is it? one Dollar? You could get quite rich if the button allows multiple hits? How much money per life LIEBERTARIAN?

Heh, Heh. Gives a whole other level to “self centered.” I think Fusion has you===living in your Mom’s Basement. Which movie star’s poster do you imagine as your wife?

LIEBERTARIANS and retards the world over are curious.

# 60 LibertyLover said, on October 19th, 2009 at 2:39 pm

#56, C’mon, Poison Twin. I pointed out where you were wrong. Does your wife know you are afraid to stick up for her?

# 61 bobbo, libertarianism fails when it becomes dogma said, on October 19th, 2009 at 2:47 pm

#60–LOSER==I know you are big on gradations of meaning. How about this one:

How much of your personal wealth would you give to “save” everyone from a burning earth?–ie, total annihilation===everyone except you and your favorite movie star poster.

One Dollar? Would you spend one of your very own dollars to save everyone on earth, or do you love your dollars that much?

Tell us LOSER, what would you give up of YOURS, your hard earned all by yourself booty, to save the rest of the world?

LIEBERTARIANS and retards the world over are waiting for your example.

# 62 Cantankerous said, on October 19th, 2009 at 2:48 pm

Bobbo==> It must drive you bat-shit froathing insane when LL ignores you like that. Why do you keep trying?

# 63 bobbo, libertarianism fails when it becomes dogma said, on October 19th, 2009 at 3:04 pm

#62–cantankerous==I find LL’s lack of response invigorating/myself validating/evidence of the truth not admitted.

You do raise an interesting existential question though. Why do any of us respond or not on this blog? I say, we all do it for pleasure of one sort or another. I take pleasure in pricking the Ghost of Losers departed humanity, and Loser chooses not to respond for a variety of reasons. Perhaps as you might suppose, perhaps because he knows he will lose any exchange. But people are a variable lot–who knows?

I post because I don’t view the blog as between two folks exchanging ideas. When I challenge Loser==I am challenging ALL LIEBERTARIANS who are as selfish as LOSER is proud to claim. Some say that libertarianism fails when it becomes dogma. It should be challenged when it raises its hoary head.

# 64 Angel H. Wong said, on October 19th, 2009 at 3:06 pm

I think this image explains it all.

# 65 ECA said, on October 20th, 2009 at 12:19 am

What I find humorous is the USES of words that most of these folks THROW around..
Communist.
Socialist..
Fascist..
Libertarian..

I DEMAND, that ALL those on TOP have the same medical as the LOWER PAID WORKERS..

Its NOT, IF’ you can afford it.
A $200 deductible and only 80% coverage on a $10,000 BILL just dont do it for me.

# 66 Mr. Fusion said, on October 20th, 2009 at 5:52 am

Loser,

Bobbo has called you out quite effectively. Much better than I am capable of and I commend him for his intelligence and wit.

I’ll let you in on a secret. You think wrong. Instead of “either or”, it should be “all”.

Yes, our current rationed health care system has decided that only those who value money may be saved. Those who we depend upon to do the work beneath our own clean hands are out of luck.

Aside from the power and prestige assumed by such an attitude, it is bound to fail. Throughout history are cultures of the “haves and have nots”. They all failed. Most with disastrous consequences to those on the “power” side of the equation. Power structures and class hierarchies don’t last.

We the PEOPLE have said we want change. We have told our representatives we want everyone covered. We have told our representatives we want the insurance companies reined in. We have said, we don’t want a wife OR ten people having to die. Everyone is deserved of good quality health care.

I’m sorry I am writing over your comprehension level. This is not Lynden LaRouche babble. It is called democracy.

And, finally, since Liebertarians like to quote Thomas Paine, let me leave you with one of his quotes.

“Those who want to reap the benefits of this great nation must bear the fatigue of supporting it.”

# 67 LibertyLover said, on October 20th, 2009 at 7:58 am

#66, There you go, trying to change the subject to health care again.

Why would you sacrifice 10 strangers for your wife?

“Those who want to reap the benefits of this great nation must bear the fatigue of supporting it.”

Funny. He was talking about public service, watching your government, being true to the ideals of freedom, not wealth redistribution.

# 68 bobbo, are we not in the scientific age said, on October 20th, 2009 at 12:25 pm

#67–gee LL==you half way stumbled into an intelligent conversation. Fusion can do that to people==urge them to be better.

Lets see now. Is universal healthcare primarily an issue of wealth distribution or an issue of a burden this great nation must bear?

I suppose its definitional and very much subject to the bias of people who would and would not kill 10 people to save one without a thought beyond the initial impulse to what is comfortable.

# 69 Ralph, the Bus Driver said, on October 21st, 2009 at 2:08 am

#67, Liberty Loser,

#66, There you go, trying to change the subject to health care again.

And gee, here I thought that was the topic.

Why would you sacrifice 10 strangers for your wife?

Are you still pulling your little dick to that stupid mantra? Grow up and read Fusion’s post. He explained himself quite well or do you need it re-explained.

Instead of rationing health care, we let everyone live. Our nation as a whole will benefit.

“Those who want to reap the benefits of this great nation must bear the fatigue of supporting it.”

Funny. He was talking about public service, watching your government, being true to the ideals of freedom, not wealth redistribution.

Now that is funny. We need interpretation of plain language. Thomas Paine, who’s writings are always good enough for a quick blurb from the right wing nut tea baggers. When someone else uses one of his quotes though, suddenly it isn’t plain language but decipherable.

Face it, you’re an idiot and Fusion and Bobbo got you.

# 70 LibertyLover said, on October 21st, 2009 at 5:17 am

#69, And yet, somebody else who doesn’t understand Yes/No questions. This is a sad state of affairs when they let people on the internet who can’t read.

I’ve noticed you still haven’t answered the question, either.

It’s a lot easier to cry like a little girl when confronted with the truth than to man up and answer the question, isn’t it?

# 71 Ralph, the Bus Driver said, on October 21st, 2009 at 8:55 am

#69, Liberty Loser,

#69, And yet, somebody else who doesn’t understand Yes/No questions. This is a sad state of affairs when they let people on the internet who can’t read.

Maybe, just maybe, most other people can see a straw man argument when it is tossed up. I have also seen quite a few questions tossed to you you seem to ignore.

As Bobbo has asked several times, why would you kill ten people?

# 72 LibertyLover said, on October 21st, 2009 at 9:05 am

#71, I didn’t know bobbo was asking questions. I don’t see his posts.

Look at #58 above.

NOW will you answer the question? I did. Are you saying my balls are bigger than yours? Really?

# 73 Ralph, the Bus Driver said, on October 22nd, 2009 at 6:38 am

Liberty Loser,

Are you saying my balls are bigger than yours? Really?

Are you changing the subject to something even you know you will lose again?

Now you are really looking desperate.

# 74 LibertyLover said, on October 22nd, 2009 at 11:49 am

#73, Nope, just verifying that you don’t have the balls to answer the question.

# 75 ECA said, on October 22nd, 2009 at 12:34 pm

Liberty,
and how much do you AND your employer PAY for your medical and workmens comp??

You havnt answered my question.
Its at least $200-300 per month.
AND YES workmans comp would be ABLE to be DROPPED. as you will be covered EVEN for work related problems..

# 76 LibertyLover said, on October 22nd, 2009 at 12:59 pm

#75, That 5% was total. Actually, it is 5.78% total for family coverage. Something you have to consider is everybody here makes a really good salary. There aren’t but about a dozen people in world who can do what we do and I employ most of them.

AFA, Workman’s Comp, that is a State requirement. It will stay.

But irregardless if the the cost is $1, it is NOT a federal responsibility. I know that bothers you that we don’t have an EU government, but that’s just the facts.

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