Deadly shootout at Texas Army Base – UPDATED

Published on November 5th, 2009

Army soldiers shot and killed 12 people and wounded 31 in a rampage at Fort Hood on Thursday, officials said.

A military briefing at 4 p.m. said three soldiers fired shots at the Soldiers Readiness Processing Center, a complex of several buildings.

Most of those killed were also soldiers, according to the briefing by Lt. Gen. Robert Cone, the post commander. One shooter was killed and the other two were in custody, he said.

Cone said that local police responded relatively quickly and killed one of the shooters. He said he believed that one Fort Hood civilian police officer was among the dead. Fort Hood has contract and military police, he said.

ABC News identified the dead assailant as Maj. Malik Nadal Hasan of Virginia.

Cone did not speculate about a motive, but the Army released a statement saying it did not believe the shootings were an act of political terrorism.

“Its difficult enough when we lose these brave Americans in battles overseas. It is horrifying that they should come under fire at an Army base on American soil,” President Barack Obama said at a Tribal Nations conference at the Department of the Interior.

RTFA. Lots of first person tales of what happened. Not a lot of info, clarity, yet.

UPDATE: The CO at Fort Hood is holding a press conference, right now, 7:15 MST. The sole shooter in this event is not dead. He was shot multiple times and survived and is in stable condition in hospital, in custody.

3 soldiers held for questioning have all been released. AFAIK, a single shooter incident.

MORE UPDATE: My hero is Kimberly Munley, a civilian cop who responded within 3 minutes from nearby with her partner. She took down the shooter while being shot herself by Hasan.

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# 1 Olo Baggins of Bywater said, on November 5th, 2009 at 3:55 pm

This is hard to believe.

# 2 Faxon said, on November 5th, 2009 at 4:05 pm

Gee. A Muslim did it. I am shocked. The religion of peace and all…..And if the two bastards in custody are not Muslims, I will kiss a fag.

# 3 sargasso said, on November 5th, 2009 at 4:07 pm

MSNBC.com report.

# 4 StoopidFlanders said, on November 5th, 2009 at 4:28 pm

I wonder if the shooter was a muslim ???

Huh, seems the mainstream media actually let that juicy tidbit out right up front. Oh well, I’m sure some journalist will get fired for that slip up.

# 5 Dr Dodd said, on November 5th, 2009 at 5:35 pm

By the time the leftist media gets done with this story, Mr Muslim will be supplied with appropriate justification and made the victim.

Next, you’ll have to wonder how many detractors will be accused of a hate crime or racist for calling a Muslim of mass murderer.

Are these interesting times or what?

# 6 bill said, on November 5th, 2009 at 5:41 pm

“Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, the suspected shooter in the massacre at Fort Hood, was a psychiatrist at Darnall Army Medical Center on the base, according to records uncovered by ABC News.”

Hmmmmm “Nidal Malik Hasan” what kind of name is that?

“CNN reports that a cousin of Major Hasan said that he took “flak” for being of Middle Eastern origin.”

Isn’t it time to leave and then blow these fuc***s to hell?

Oh, everyone hates us!!! Well the feeling is mutual!

# 7 honeyman said, on November 5th, 2009 at 5:43 pm

#5 Dr Dodd

I dont normally subscribe to this leftist media meme, but your predictive skills are amazing.

# 8 jescott418 said, on November 5th, 2009 at 6:03 pm

I heard their was more then one involved? Was this a terrorist action or solders who snapped from too many rotations of combat? I guess we will find our soon.

# 9 soundwash said, on November 5th, 2009 at 6:08 pm

Of course the first name released fingered a muslim as the shooter.. it’s key to the war on terror. gotta make sure we all still hate “the right” ethnicity.

Personally, i think these AWOL soldier incidents we’ve heard about in the last 6 years or so are a result of the “unconstitutionality” written into many new laws passed in recent defense bills since just before 9/11 and after.

-and in many cases, these are Patriots trying to stop the insanity (or being stopped) via direct action, no matter what the cost.

Ask any career military folk you know well who “left” the military between ‘78 to ‘84ish (or esp out to the 90’s) -they will tell you the military they signed up for and the military they left, were two grossly different and thus, highly conflicted animals.

Minor notes to ponder..

“friendly fire” military press releases never, ever tell the truth.

2. The broad majority of Training accidents, aren’t. They are the [rogues] of the military’s way of removing “problems” from the ranks.

Though I imagine the increase electromagnetic anomalies of late will result in large increase in (at least) airborne accidents in the months ahead.

-s

# 10 StoopidFlanders said, on November 5th, 2009 at 6:15 pm

White liberal guilt causes mush-headed crybabies to elect a self-confessed muslim to president in a sad attempt to appease islamofacists.

…and this is what we get in return;
killed 12 people and wounded 31

# 11 Dr Dodd said, on November 5th, 2009 at 6:27 pm

#7-honeyman

Thanks for the link. This time they didn’t even wait for the bodies of the real victims to reach room temperature.

More proof that a politically correct media is worse than having no media at all.

# 12 SN said, on November 5th, 2009 at 6:33 pm

I think the real story is that the FBI had him under observation for the past 6 months because of anti-American statements he posted but yet they did nothing to relieve him from duty?

# 13 Dr Dodd said, on November 5th, 2009 at 6:41 pm

#12-SN-…they did nothing to relieve him from duty.

That’s the way government treats all protected species. If Mr Muslim would have been a Christian white male Leavenworth would already have one extra resident and 12 people would still be alive.

# 14 brm said, on November 5th, 2009 at 6:54 pm

Pretty good shot for an army psychologist.

# 15 Li said, on November 5th, 2009 at 7:09 pm

When the army -psychologists- are going nuts and fragging whole graduation ceremonies, I’d say the Army has some really large unresolved mental health problems to deal with.

And don’t forget John Russell, who fragged a bunch of people in a mental health clinic in Iraq a few months back. If we have to kill all of the Muslims because of this nutball, does that mean we should kill all of the Christians too because of John? Give me a fucking break.

# 16 StoopidFlanders said, on November 5th, 2009 at 7:24 pm

15. Baloney. The only reason you can remember that guy’s name, is because of how phenomenally rare it is for a non-muslim to do that. Pop quiz: What’s the name of the shooter in this story? Can you even recall (no cheating, by looking above)? No, because muslims are using violence on non-muslims every single day, and due to the media’s failure to report them all (under some polital correctness clause, I’m sure), you’ve become numb to it. So sad on so many levels. Once again: This was a muslim attack on America.

# 17 zorkor said, on November 5th, 2009 at 7:32 pm

I think the shooter was thinking “What the hell, they are already sending me to Iraq to kill women and Children, why not kill these American soldiers here”. Better than killing innocent civilians, I think he chose the right path. Serves you war mongers right. LOL

# 18 jaywontdart said, on November 5th, 2009 at 8:26 pm

I just KNEW the shooters ethnicity would be brought up.

Please, ease up on Muslims already. Why does America always need to pick out an “evil race” to beat up on? Africans, Mexicans, Russians, French, Muslims….

“People, I just want to say, you know, can we all get along? Can we get along? Can we stop making it, making it horrible for the older people and the kids?…It’s just not right. It’s not right. It’s not, it’s not going to change anything. We’ll, we’ll get our justice….Please, we can get along here. We all can get along. I mean, we’re all stuck here for a while. Let’s try to work it out. Let’s try to beat it. Let’s try to beat it. Let’s try to work it out.” Rodney King

# 19 Wightout said, on November 5th, 2009 at 9:07 pm

#17 You are a moron if you think that. The guy sided up voluntarily and if he is still in the Army today he signed/resigned up for it in a time of war.

Here is a scary thought… if you join an army you may go to war. If he didn’t like the terms of the war he would be forced to attend as a member of the military then he could have gotten out.

The Army is by no means the problem. They are a tool used by the people in charge of them. They are told what to do and do what they can to execute the mission assigned. How is it that killing these people is a right path? Politicians are the people who use the Army.

Zorker your lack of insight is offensive as is the entertainment you seem to have with the decision made by these individuals.

In case you have not noticed we have done what we could to limit the collateral damage our “war mongering” causes. We dont intentionally inhumanly kill people. We adhere to strict rules of engagement that restrict our ability to efficiently complete a mission so as to remain as humane as possible. How is it that you feel it is the soldiers who are at home that were the right ones to die here?

#9 WTF are you talking about with the stopping of the insanity? Are you crazy? Life in the Army nowadays is a cake walk to what it used to be. The opportunities to better your self are damn near limitless in the military. From schooling and finance to medical and mental well being.

The broad majority of training accidents aren’t? You have obviously not been around many military personnel. I can tell you first hand that soldiers are among the most “accident” prone people in the world. They do a lot of the same tasks over and over and over and over. Many are simply entertaining themselves by spicing up the day. It tends to lead to mishaps.

These are people. Many with families no different that anyone else. Your writing makes it sound like everyone of our troops are the most violent and vicious people on the planet. Your conspiracy theories are comical at best.

# 20 Sister Mary Hand Grenade of Quiet Reflection said, on November 5th, 2009 at 9:23 pm

Apparently he was a sand knee grow, regardless of his religious whackism.

# 21 StoopidFlanders said, on November 5th, 2009 at 9:35 pm

18. Sure. We can all get along in your magical fantasy wonderland …as soon as the medieval throwbacks pedophile worshippers decide to not fly planes into buildings, not blow up innocent people, and not go on shooting sprees. Sadly, this is too much to ask from the muslims.

# 22 brm said, on November 5th, 2009 at 9:57 pm

#18:

“Why does America always need to pick out an “evil race” to beat up on?”

You’re kidding, right? Like we’re the only country in the entire world that does this.

Give me a break.

# 23 TwoToTheHead said, on November 5th, 2009 at 10:51 pm

Perfectly timed- got all the healthcare protests that are happening in advance of the vote on Saturday right off the news.

What a coincidence.

# 24 pedro said, on November 5th, 2009 at 10:54 pm

#17 Aaaaah, back to your “death to amerika” posts. Refreshing.

Now, go run and make some company to your friend. Take a gun along.

#18 Please, ease up on whatever drug you’re taking.

#19 Dorkor is a moron, period. No need to single him out due to his views on religion.

# 25 deowll said, on November 5th, 2009 at 11:49 pm

He was a nut. He may well have been a religious nut. He may have decided to play holy warrior.

What bugs me is that this has way to many bodies down before he went down for a military base.

The base looks to have about as prepared for a problem as a nunnery.

# 26 Sister Mary Hand Grenade of Quiet Reflection said, on November 6th, 2009 at 1:21 am

#25 said, “The base looks to have about as prepared for a problem as a nunnery.”

Bullshit! We are locked and loaded. If someone comes in here and fucks up, there will be lead flying. We practice at our range in the basement too! It’s not like we are sitting around all day looking at porn and ripping rosary beads out of our ass. Well, some do.

# 27 Jopa said, on November 6th, 2009 at 1:41 am

You need to be a true scum in order to intentionally open fire and kill 12 people that did nothing to you. However, I do not believe that civilians can truly understand the magnitude of betrayal this scumbag has just performed. An officer, literally executing his fellow soldiers for religious reasons is the mother of all sins and betrayals. It is beyond belief…

If this was done for religious reasons (a muslim that doesn’t want to serve in Iraq because he is a muslim), then this is a new low even for Islam. Backstabbing galore…

I weep for the good men murdered.

# 28 Jopa said, on November 6th, 2009 at 1:53 am

To the Admins:

The user Zorkor is calling for the murder of US army personnel. This is a federal crime. If this user has an American IP address, you should report him to the FBI.

I quote: “…I think he chose the right path. Serves you war mongers right…”

# 29 bobbo, words have a context said, on November 6th, 2009 at 2:28 am

What I like is the guy was a PSYCHIATRIST giving care to those suffering from having just killed/be killed by a bunch of Muslims.

Seems to me the ARMY continues to be as f*cked up as they have always been. Incompetent from bottom to top, regardless of how starched their fatigues are. Idiots all.

Sister Mary–god bless you.

# 30 Anthony said, on November 6th, 2009 at 3:19 am

Seriously half of you guys need to get a grip with your lives. This is messed up. You respond to the internal killing of soldiers by another soldier by reverting to racism.

THIS IS ALL TO AVOID THINKING THAT THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG WITH YOUR OWN SOCIETY.

Seriously. I am not saying that America is bad. Or that Americans are bad. But I am saying that to revert to the pathetic statements above to avoid accepting the truth that and American killed Americans.

This discussion shames the memories of those who have died.

Don’t forget, those soldiers were willing to die for their country and the lives of people in other countries (who just happen to be muslims).

In other words.

You racist c##ts shut the f##k up!

# 31 bobbo, addicted to tv said, on November 6th, 2009 at 3:49 am

“Just happen to be Muslim.” /// Hah, hah. Yea, like that should not even be on the list to check?

Third Column distraction/political correctness at work. Should all Muslims be suspected?==No. Should anyone who issues threats on a website be checked out?==Yes indeedie.

Should a Muslim who declares he doesn’t want to go to foreign shores to kill other Muslims be CLOSELY scrutinized???==If you don’t, you are crazy.

# 32 Jopa said, on November 6th, 2009 at 3:51 am

#30 Anthony,

No, you shut the f##k up!

This is a religious massacre conducted by a muslim who shot his fellow servicemen in the back like a f##king coward! He betrayed them and the cause for his betrayal was his religious convictions!

Speaking out the truth is not racism. What kills us is political correct c##ts like you!!

# 33 Anthony said, on November 6th, 2009 at 3:56 am

Is there anything to say that this was religiously motivated?

Nope. Just his ‘funny’ name.

You ignore what small information is out there which is a statement by his Imman mentioning that the guy who shot those guys “held no extremist views.” You also ignore the fact that if there was any doubts as to his religion being a problem then he would have been arrested etc. in no short order.

I have no explanation for this. I know nothing. So do you. And to jump into racism, i say again, dishonours the memories of the service men (and women?) who have been killed.

…

Oh and btw. Are you admitting you are a racist c##t?

# 34 Anthony said, on November 6th, 2009 at 4:14 am

And to add. By reverting to racism you are doing much the same as the terrorists themselves. You are de-humanising the individual people who commit these sorts of atrocities all over the world.

They are people too. And I follow the understanding that if I was in their position and had their life experiences then I would more than likely do the same things they do. Not because it is right at all but because we as human beings are more susceptible to suggestion and coercion and rash belief than we pretend.

The result is, on the whole, there is a good explanation within an individual’s life which causes them to throw away their morals and do something like this.

The one thing which is going to compound and confirm the thinking they develop is racism, hostility and… frankly killing their families. (this is not a critique of the wars)

One of the things that can begin to improve an individuals thinking towards… less deadly actions… is to confront them with trust and acceptance. etc.

Now I know what the response will be to this… So go on surprise me. Try and have an independent well thought out opinion. I don’t even care if its bigoted… Ok, I do. But I just hope there is some better thinking behind it than previous posts.

# 35 Jopa said, on November 6th, 2009 at 4:51 am

Anthony,

Listen, this is how it is going to be:

He did the shooting because he doesn’t want to go to Iraq and “kill muslims”. This is because he is a muslim. Then the “I will not go” changed into I am going to martyr myself and take as much “enemies of allah” (servicemen) with me as I can.

You are not being cultural sensitive here. You need to understand the way people from a certain culture think like before you can express an opinion about it. I know the way they think because I live amongst them in the middle east.

I understand that you want to wait for the evidence and that’s fine (it’s a proper due process). But trust me, this is how it will turn out.

# 36 Dr Dodd said, on November 6th, 2009 at 4:55 am

#30-Anthony-You respond to the internal killing of soldiers by another soldier by reverting to racism.

So anybody that mentions the guy is a Muslim is racist?

Who could have seen that coming?

# 37 The DON said, on November 6th, 2009 at 4:58 am

What is up with American reporting? How can such monumental errors be made in the reporting of this event, so as to indicate that:
1) The shooter was shot and killed – (oops he wasn’t)
2) One of the victims (a female officer) who was reported as having been killed wasn’t.

Tragic event, but do reporters just make it up as they go along so they can get a good headline?

# 38 Anthony said, on November 6th, 2009 at 5:17 am

Dr Dodd # 36

Nope. Only those that imply that because he was Muslim he killed all those people. If you read some of the comments above, anyone would think that all Muslims are out to get ‘us’. The next step in their thinking is on an individual level we should ‘get them first’… I guess mostly by shouting abuse and beating the living daylights out of them.. Oh yes, and hangings, they would be an easy way to sort them out.

Slippery slope argument ftw.

But seriously, the fact that he is Muslim is not the answer that explains what has happened.

# 39 Jopa said, on November 6th, 2009 at 5:22 am

Now there are reports that this scum bag was shouting “Allah hu akbar” (God is great – in arabic) when he was shooting. To anyone who doesn’t understand the importance of this shout – it is the “war cry” of muslims. It means that the scum-bag was waging war on those poor, unarmed soldiers. This is a “martyrdom” operation.

I can’t get over the thought of an OFFICER(!!!) shooting his own men. For me, an ex-soldier, it is as low as you can go – shooting your brothers in arms is absolutely rock bottom.

# 40 bobbo, the evangelical anti-theist said, on November 6th, 2009 at 5:31 am

#38–Anthony==YOU are the only one being a racist on this thread. YOU are the only one claiming “its only because he is a Muslim etc.”

There are 5-6 confirmed “facts” that indicate this guy did it for “His” own motivations which were religious in origin. Change everything to “jewish” and we were going to invade the Diamond District in NYC, or make everything Catholic and we were going to send troops to Vatican City, then have one of the relevant faith true believers post on the internet he was going to commit suicide rather than serve and then yell “Praise God” as he shoots his fellow workers and what we got here is a nutbag acting on his faith.

Its the “bad side” of faith. If you don’t accept that, then faith means nothing===and we all know that ain’t true.

# 41 Anthony said, on November 6th, 2009 at 5:44 am

I am a little confused by your argument Bobbo.

I look at things from a totally secular position (I am staunchly atheist, though have completed some catholic theological training, and have been a student of religious studies in a wider sense). I give no weight to faith of any kind, only its results and they are viewed in the same way as any other social/psychological aspect to peoples lives.

Not sure how what I have said above can be seen as racism. My argument was that race is unimportant and that it can be used in a way that is bigoted.

In my mind religion is a shallow motivation that can be easily twisted by… pretty much anyone who as an agenda EXCEPT world peace and harmony and all those good things.

I argue that to talk in the way people have above is playing into the hands of racists, terrorist and those who want to exploit public reactions to such events to perpetuate wars (or whatever) that do nothing but line their own pockets with wealth and power.

# 42 Dr Dodd said, on November 6th, 2009 at 5:51 am

#38-Anthony-the fact that he is Muslim is not the answer that explains what has happened.

Just an observation, but I would say this guy got a lot of preferential treatment because he is a Muslim. Most of his education was paid for by US taxpayers.

So when he chose to payback that advantage by becoming a mass murder you can’t all of a sudden sweep aside his entanglement with Islam.

The fact he is a Muslim in a PC society is what kept him in the Army instead of booted out for poor performance.

It also allowed him to murder 13… unlucky for some.

# 43 Anthony said, on November 6th, 2009 at 6:04 am

You make three points. All of which are baseless (what evidence?) and if generalised to every Muslim within the US armed forces = racism as far as I know.

You said…

1) He is not a taxpayer.
2) He got preferential treatment.
3) He was a bad soldier.

All of which you use to justify… What? That he as a Muslim within the US was something else. Not a US citizen who was so screwed up that he went and killed his fellow soldiers?

Please don’t get me wrong. I am not defending his actions. But I am a) sure he paid US taxes. b) Did not get any preferential treatment. I have some knowledge of the UK armed forces and have not seen a similar attitude to minorities within the forces.And c) I have no idea if he sucked at his job. Nor do you.

…Why do you want to make it seem as if he was different to you? De-humanise him. To do this avoids the real problems that led to him doing what he did. Solve those and we have no more shootings.

I’m going to shut up now. Take a moment out, just as I do for British Soldiers killed, and reflect. My brother is in the armed forces this sort of thing could happen to him any day.

What I have done wrong, and can be blamed for is starting this level of discussion too early after the event. Sorry.

Last comment.

1) Generalisations based on race = bad.
2) Jumping to conclusions = bad.
3) De-humanising tragedy, INCLUDING the motivations of those that cause a tragedy = bad.

..You guys just wind me up. Damnit.

# 44 bobbo, the evangelical anti-theist said, on November 6th, 2009 at 6:19 am

#41–Anthony=== at #34 you said “By reverting to racism you are doing much the same as the terrorists themselves.”—and I saw no one reverting to racism. Calling someone a Muslim is not racist, its anti-Mulsim. So YOU raised the issue of racism which is what I posted.

Its always more confusing when specific references are not made to what one is commenting about–ie, replying to name and post # often helps a lot. Not always.

It is “rare” for any troop anywhere to open fire on their own side. Have to be mentally ill to do that. Hallucinating, PTSD, or religion. Only thing that appears to be present is religion. That is the most likely relevant fact until others come in later. Common sense. Not Proof. Just the best guess on little info.

# 45 Dr Dodd said, on November 6th, 2009 at 6:31 am

#43-Anthony-You guys just wind me up. Damnit.

Just think of it as stimulating conversation.

First I didn’t say that he was not a taxpayer, but that his education was paid for my taxpayers. Not everyone gets this luxury so I would rate this financial windfall as preferential treatment.

Next, he was transferred to Fort Hood because of reports of poor performance which virtually guaranteed no further promotions.

>>De-humanise him?

He did that to himself when he chose to become a murderer.

So you see I am forming my opinion from reported facts.

# 46 LDA said, on November 6th, 2009 at 6:51 am

Good job Kimberly Munley. R.I.P.

# 47 Sister Mary Hand Grenade of Quiet Reflection said, on November 6th, 2009 at 7:14 am

Well, as more information comes out it looks like he is a religious nut. I guess that will shut some of you assholes up. I hope they keep this guy alive so they can kill him slowly. Screw taking this nut job to Guantanamo for a sun tan. We should be like the Israelis and kill him, his whole family and raze their home.

Religion is only important when you want to bilk money from gullible people to build condos and a water slide next to the mega-church. Screw this, I’m ready to kick the habit.

# 48 Phydeau said, on November 6th, 2009 at 8:11 am

Just an observation, but I would say this guy got a lot of preferential treatment because he is a Muslim. Most of his education was paid for by US taxpayers.

Uh, take a deep breath there sport. The military pays for med school for people, who then serve in the military to pay that off.

He was a mental health professional. I’ve known quite a few of them (was married to one) and let me tell you — therapists become therapists because most of them NEED therapy themselves. So right off, he was probably a bit unstable to begin with. Then add the pressure of being deployed to a war where you basically wait around to get blown up by IEDs. Several soldiers have gone postal this way.

So add an unstable personality with the strain of being deployed and it’s not surprising he’d crack. Regardless of his ethnicity or religion.

So I lean toward nutcase who happens to be Muslim, rather than sane person who kills people in the name of Islam.

# 49 badtimes said, on November 6th, 2009 at 8:17 am

Lotta hate here.
I see it only took til 6:15 last night for this to be tied in to the last Presidential election. All a reasonable person can say to that is- boy, is that stoopid.
Sister Mary- kill his whole family? Really? I understand the heat of the moment, but you should really reflect on this a little more. I know *I* don’t want to be held responsible for the actions of my siblings and/or parents and/or children and/or cousins and/or aunts and/or uncles (not sure how far you want to go with this ‘kill the whole family’ schtick).

# 50 Mr. Fusion said, on November 6th, 2009 at 8:22 am

What bullshit!!! So far I have read NOTHING indicating what his religion is. Nor was there any report that he yelled anything while he was firing. Don’t let that stop you. Typical tea baggers bullshit.

The attempt to smear all Muslims by assuming
1) he is a Muslim, and
2) he did it for religious reasons
only go the racist roots of the posters And these are the same asshole that hate all blacks, Muslims, Latinos, etc.

That this happened is truly sad. Why will take a lot longer to understand.

As SN pointed out above, he had been under surveillance by the FBI for at least six months. That nothing had been done to evaluate his mental status or divert his deployment to somewhere else shows complete stupidity on someone’s part. Total incompetence. There will be a lot of CYA over this.

# 51 Jopa said, on November 6th, 2009 at 8:25 am

#47,
Why thank you! You see?! who says that the strategic link between the US and Israel is not worth it! The Americans are learning fast!
And Kudos for the name “Sister Mary Hand Grenade of Quiet Reflection” – brilliant stuff

#48,
You are right but only partially. It is clear that the scum-bag was mental – no argument here. However, what makes the difference is what the mental person does with it and when your religion teaches you to blame all other religions and people for your own faults and then instructs you to wage a jihad against them, the person goes and does what this scum-bag did. So it does make a big difference in this particular case that the he is a muslim.

Shabat Shalom.

# 52 Phydeau said, on November 6th, 2009 at 8:46 am

#51 Uh, Jopa, there have been plenty of Christian wackos who have gone postal. You need some facts to back up that hypothesis.

# 53 Jopa said, on November 6th, 2009 at 8:55 am

#52,

You are 100% right, but the question is this: was christianity the motive for their rampage?

I don’t think so. I can’t say the same with regards to Islam.

# 54 Mr. Fusion said, on November 6th, 2009 at 9:13 am

#53, jopa,

So how many times should a person be discriminated against before he is allowed to get angry? Oh wait, bad question when it is the assholes like you bandying around the words “Camel Jockey”

According to the suspect’s cousin, Hasan was also harassed after 9/11 because of his ethnicity, and was called a “camel jockey.”

In an interview with The Washington Post, Hasan’s aunt, Noel Hasan of Falls Church, Va., said he had been harassed about being a Muslim in the years after the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks and he wanted out of the Army.

“Some people can take it and some people cannot,” she said. “He had listened to all of that and he wanted out of the military.”

She said he had sought a discharge from the military for several years, and even offered to repay the cost of his medical training.

A military official told The Associated Press that Hasan was in the preparation stage of deployment, which can take months. The official said Hasan had indicated he didn’t want to go to Iraq but was willing to serve in Afghanistan. The official did not have authorization to discuss the matter publicly and spoke on condition of anonymity.

# 55 RSweeney said, on November 6th, 2009 at 9:18 am

Let’s see, the murderer yells Allahu Akbar as he opens fire, says more moslems need to strap on bombs and walk into Times Square and people can’t figure out that he’s a jihadist?

Even Helen Keller could see this one clearly.

# 56 Dr Dodd said, on November 6th, 2009 at 10:00 am

#48-Phydeau-So I lean toward nutcase who happens to be Muslim, rather than sane person who kills people in the name of Islam.

Yeah, maybe we should overlook all those seminars the good Major gave preaching the infidel should convert to Islam.

Pretty obvious where his allegiance is.

>>add an unstable personality with the strain of being deployed and it’s not surprising he’d crack.<<

I find it odd that you feel the need to jump to his aid by going so far as making up excuses for him. The jihadist is always the victim, right?

Good Grief!

# 57 Phydeau said, on November 6th, 2009 at 10:15 am

#53 If that is indeed what he shouted, and he did write those things, then I would be inclined to agree with you: he’s either (a) a mentally unstable man who cracked and acted on one of the nastier beliefs of Islam, or (b) is a perfectly sane Jihadist who for some reason took this opportunity to sacrifice himself.

Time will tell. Why don’t we let the dust settle and the police interview the survivors and not jump to conclusions.

#55 You wingnuts never have understood the difference between explaining and excusing a crime. Figuring out why he did it is not the same as saying it’s OK that he did it. Capice?

Yeah, maybe we should overlook all those seminars the good Major gave preaching the infidel should convert to Islam.

Uh, I don’t know how to break this to you, but Christians are just as bad in that department, always with the “you gotta be saved!” BS.

But I’m sure the wingnut Christians are saying “It’s OK when we do it, because ours is the one true religion!”. Riiiiiiiight.

# 58 Phydeau said, on November 6th, 2009 at 10:16 am

Sorry #54, not #53.

# 59 Dr Dodd said, on November 6th, 2009 at 10:33 am

#56-Phydeau-Christians are just as bad…

Oh really? So Mr Muslim goes on a killing spree for Allah, but it’s OK because Christians are just as bad?

Thanks for making that clear.

# 60 Mr. Fusion said, on November 6th, 2009 at 10:37 am

#53, jopa

So how many times should a person be discriminated against before he is allowed to get angry? Oh wait, bad question when it is the assholes like you bandying around the words “Camel Jockey”

According to the suspect’s cousin, Hasan was also harassed after 9/11 because of his ethnicity, and was called a “camel jockey.”

In an interview with The Washington Post, Hasan’s aunt, Noel Hasan of Falls Church, Va., said he had been harassed about being a Muslim in the years after the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks and he wanted out of the Army.

“Some people can take it and some people cannot,” she said. “He had listened to all of that and he wanted out of the military.”

She said he had sought a discharge from the military for several years, and even offered to repay the cost of his medical training.

A military official told The Associated Press that Hasan was in the preparation stage of deployment, which can take months. The official said Hasan had indicated he didn’t want to go to Iraq but was willing to serve in Afghanistan. The official did not have authorization to discuss the matter publicly and spoke on condition of anonymity.

# 61 Mr. Fusion said, on November 6th, 2009 at 10:37 am

#53, jopa

So how many times should a person be discriminated against before he is allowed to get angry? Oh wait, bad question when it is the assholes like you bandying around the words “Camel Jockey”

According to the suspect’s cousin, Hasan was also harassed after 9/11 because of his ethnicity, and was called a “camel jockey.”

# 62 Mr. Fusion said, on November 6th, 2009 at 10:42 am

#58, Dr. Dudd,

So Mr Muslim goes on a killing spree for Allah, but it’s OK because Christians are just as bad?

Phydeau never made any suggestion that that was the case. His point, and I wholey agree, is it is wrong to start slinging shit for the mere fact you are a racist asshole.

If you really think he was on a jihad then please post some proof. Until then you just remain another wing nut tea bagger that hates America.

# 63 Phydeau said, on November 6th, 2009 at 10:44 am

#56 Let me say it again, f*ckhead. NO ONE IS SAYING IT’S OK HE KILLED PEOPLE. Jesus H. Christ on a pogo stick, you are one dumb wingnut.

And Christians are just as bad in the proselytizing department. Read the words, study them, and comprehend them.

We get it, pal. You hate Muslims.

# 64 Sister Mary Hand Grenade of Quiet Reflection said, on November 6th, 2009 at 10:44 am

I only scream Allahu Akbar when I’m coming.

# 65 Phydeau said, on November 6th, 2009 at 10:48 am

Sigh… I’m bad with the quotes… I was responding to #58 not #56. Distracted by so much blatant stupidity around.

# 66 Jopa said, on November 6th, 2009 at 11:01 am

#59 Mr. Fusion,

Being harassed or discriminated is not an excuse for going on a killing spree but may be in your world it is…

One needs to be a twisted monster or a jihadist (which is basically the same) to justify such an act.

# 67 Jopa said, on November 6th, 2009 at 11:01 am

#62 – LOL!!!

# 68 Dr Dodd said, on November 6th, 2009 at 11:16 am

#60-Mr Fusion-you are a racist asshole…

If anyone would know – you would.

#63-Phydeau

Settle down – you act like you are in the middle of a jihad jerk and can’t decide if you or Mr Fusion is the pivot man.

If you guys feel this strongly about it maybe you can go out in the desert and share a suicide bomb belt.

# 69 Phydeau said, on November 6th, 2009 at 11:22 am

#66 Why don’t you brush up on your reading comprehension and not accuse people of saying things they’re not saying. Then people won’t react so strongly.

And yes, we understand… anyone who doesn’t hate Muslims as passionately as you is obviously a jihad lover. Riiiiiiiight. Where’s that eye-rolling icon when you need it?

# 70 Dr Dodd said, on November 6th, 2009 at 11:28 am

#67-Phydeau

So you are saying it’s OK for you to creatively edit thoughts but don’t like it when it’s done to you?

Imagine that.

# 71 Phydeau said, on November 6th, 2009 at 11:38 am

#68 You think someone’s misrepresenting what you’re saying, speak up. I haven’t heard you complain yet.

# 72 badtimes said, on November 6th, 2009 at 1:41 pm

Well, it’s good to know that it was an evil jihadist plot. After all, no American soldier has ever shot a fellow soldier. Ever. And no American soldier has ever been mentally unstable. Ever.

# 73 Brother Hairy said, on November 6th, 2009 at 1:44 pm

#62, Sister Mary,

Hey, are you still joining us for dinner Saturday? I hope I don’t sound rude, ya know, cause if your coming I’ll want to record all those ally akburs.

# 74 Sister Mary Hand Grenade of Quiet Reflection said, on November 6th, 2009 at 2:38 pm

For the longest time I thought Allahu Akbar meant, “wrong hole!”

# 75 Unamerican said, on November 6th, 2009 at 7:41 pm

Don’t let muslims into the armed forces… Face it, you can’t help alot of em being wackos who are gonna go berzerk killing and raping strangers, but at least if they’re true Americans they’ll go berzerk against unamericans…..

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