UPDATED : Swiss right forces referendum on mosque minarets

Published on November 28th, 2009

Posted by honeyman in Politics, religion

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Swiss to vote on mosque minarets ban – Guardian — Racist? Stupid IMHO. Some of the most beautiful architecture on the planet is Islamic. How can there not be a Christian vs. Muslim aspect to this?

UPDATE : Swiss vote yes on the referendum

The Swiss are to decide this weekend whether to ban minarets on mosques, in what is in effect the first direct vote in a European country on Islam and the practices of Muslims.

The controversial referendum on Sunday, accompanied by a prohibition campaign denounced as racist and in violation of human rights, is the latest tussle in Europe over the limits of multiculturalism and immigrant lifestyles.

Pushed by anti-immigrant rightwing populists, it has triggered months of debate in a country that uses direct democracy for single-issue politics. The referendum has turned into much more than a vote on architecture and urban planning.

“The minaret has got nothing to do with religion. It’s a symbol of political power, a prelude to the introduction of sharia law,” argued Ulrich Schlüer, of the rightwing Swiss People’s party, an architect of the campaign.
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The rightwing anti-immigrant lobby has led the campaign, but it has been joined by some secularist leftists and liberals fiercely critical of Islam. Julia Onken, a prominent feminist and psychologist and bestselling author of self-help books, last week called on women to vote for the ban. “Mosques are male houses, minarets are male power symbols,” she declared. “The building of minarets is also a visible signal of the state’s acceptance of the oppression of women.”

There are about 400,000 Muslims in Switzerland, 5% of the population. Most are immigrants from the Balkan regions of Kosovo, Albania and Bosnia and are not practising Muslims.

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# 1 Dr Dodd said, on November 28th, 2009 at 4:44 pm

Now would be a good time for the Swiss and all of Europe to take a stand. If they wait much longer to grow a spine it will be too late.

It’s better to be racist, intolerant or any other PC name you can think of rather than forced to live under the sledgehammer of sharia law.

# 2 Hyph3n said, on November 28th, 2009 at 4:56 pm

Why stop there? They could round them up and put them in some sort of camp. But they would need some sort of final solution. Anyone know of one?

It is racist and intolerant, pushed forward by scared little men.

# 3 anonymous said, on November 28th, 2009 at 5:06 pm

Well said, #1.

# 4 Marc said, on November 28th, 2009 at 5:08 pm

While we’re at it, can we ban Puerto Rican flags and parade here in NY too?

I’m getting sick of them talking in spanish.

If they like Puerto Rico so much why don’t they go back?

# 5 Poppa Boner said, on November 28th, 2009 at 5:24 pm

http://tinyurl.com/yj9dabt

# 6 conrack said, on November 28th, 2009 at 5:27 pm

honeyman, Hyph3n;

What, are you towelheads too, or just booger eatin’ socialist morons??

Let’s bulldoze the houses to the left, right and directly in front of your house and build a mosque with minarets, a 250 foot tall windmill and a CNG bulk storage yard and see how you like it, cause I think “they’re some of the most BE-YOO-TEE-FUL architectures in the world”.

Mighty big of youse to be so generous with other sovereign nations land.

They’re free to dictate what they will and won’t allow in their country, just like the HOA’s, cities, counties, states and feds are here with all their CCR’s, codes, zones, set backs, easements, height restrictions and every other damn law that regulates what YOU can and can’t do in YOUR neighborhood.

And just what does any of that have to do with religion? NOTHING, cause it’s not about religion no matter how much you try to make it so.

I think you’re a religionist besides being a socialist, and that you will never be happy until everyone sees the error of their ways and becomes just like you.

GFYS

# 7 Brandon said, on November 28th, 2009 at 5:27 pm

#2, Enough with the melodrama. I consider it very unlikely that the Swiss of all people are going to start trying to conquer the world. This is regarding a change to their constitution, affecting only what goes on within their borders, and if a majority of their citizens approve it, then it should go ahead.

That being said, I do not approve of over-reaching government in any of its forms, and this is no exception. Were I Swiss, I’m sure that I would vote against this measure.

# 8 Hyph3n said, on November 28th, 2009 at 5:58 pm

I’m a “religionist.” I’ve been called quite a few things, but that’s a new one. Good for you. Did you think it up all by yourself?

You say this is not about religion, and yet it seems to be only directed to Muslims. Are they going to go after cathedrals and church stipples? If they did, would you support that to?

# 9 conrack said, on November 28th, 2009 at 6:05 pm

Hyph3n

Did you not read the article, or the post?? The ban is on MINARETS, not moo-slimes. If you were smart enough to be a jock strap you’d support my nutz, but you probably wouldn’t be any good for that either.

Again, GFYS

# 10 S Gates said, on November 28th, 2009 at 6:09 pm

“While we’re at it, can we ban Puerto Rican flags and parade here in NY too?”

a ban on gay marriages in California?

# 11 GF said, on November 28th, 2009 at 6:21 pm

So what, I don’t see any crosses or churches being constructed in Mecca.

http://tinyurl.com/church-in-mecca

# 12 conrack said, on November 28th, 2009 at 6:31 pm

That’s because whenever any christians are found in their country, the adherents of “THE RELIGION OF PEACE” round them up and cut their heads off.

# 13 Hyph3n said, on November 28th, 2009 at 6:34 pm

LOL. I am touch that you would keep me so close to your balls.

I don’t get this. It’s an attempt to curb Islam in Europe. You know it. I know it. Why not just say admit it? Seriously.

GF, you’re right. Which is why I would hope Western culture aspires to be a wee bit better than Saudi Arabia.

# 14 conrack said, on November 28th, 2009 at 6:42 pm

It’s an attempt to curb MINARETS. It’s that simple, and it doesn’t surprise me that you don’t get it.

# 15 RBG said, on November 28th, 2009 at 6:55 pm

It’s ironic that the picture is of the Hagia Sophia, built as a Christian church (and subsequent Muslim proto-type) with the minarets later added by the Muslims after the Christians were turfed.

RBG

[yes indeed ironic - ed.]

# 16 conrack said, on November 28th, 2009 at 7:06 pm

It’s also ironic that the word minaret is a French form of the Turkish word minare, which is from the Arabic word manāra meaning lighthouse, when the moo-slime concept of enlightment is to kill infidels and generally anyone not like themselves. Intolerance as enlightenment, kinda like socialists, EVEN MORE IRONY !!!

# 17 Hyph3n said, on November 28th, 2009 at 7:06 pm

Minarets– to the best of my knowledge are only on mosques. They are one of the things that make a mosque a mosque.

What you are saying is this is a city ordinance type of law? Then why are their posters depicted the minarets as missiles? (See, I did read the article.) Why only minarets, and not any tall structure attached to a building over X feet tall? Why are “church leaders and the Jewish community” opposed?

# 18 soundwash said, on November 28th, 2009 at 9:06 pm

#1 wins the prize!

this Islamolovemadness has to stop.

-nice to see one country taking the initiative.

-s

# 19 jccalhoun said, on November 28th, 2009 at 9:09 pm

While we’re at it, can we ban Puerto Rican flags and parade here in NY too?

I’m getting sick of them talking in spanish.

If they like Puerto Rico so much why don’t they go back?

You do realize that Puerto Rico is part of America and so to ban flying the Puerto Rican flag would be like banning people in New York from flying the flag of another state. Are you going to ban people from flying the Irish flag and celebrating St. Patrick’s Day too?

Now would be a good time for the Swiss and all of Europe to take a stand. If they wait much longer to grow a spine it will be too late.

It’s better to be racist, intolerant or any other PC name you can think of rather than forced to live under the sledgehammer of sharia law.

Yes banning a feature of their architecture will really show them… And Christians never try to impose their religious laws on society. It is only those darn Muslims…

# 20 David said, on November 28th, 2009 at 9:14 pm

I can guarantee you that all of the above commenters would be instantly up in arms if the law was an attempt to ban church steeples instead. But it seems freedom of religion only applies to the familiar religions of the west. Minarets are beautiful architectural structures and attempting to ban them is so blatantly anti-immigrant, I’m starting to think there may be something to this argument of muslim persecution in Europe.

# 21 David said, on November 28th, 2009 at 9:16 pm

It’s better to be racist, intolerant or any other PC name you can think of rather than forced to live under the sledgehammer of sharia law.

If this had anything to do with Sharia law, why not just ban that? Your comment makes no sense.

# 22 My2Cents said, on November 28th, 2009 at 9:34 pm

Organized religion ( Islam, Christianity, Buddism, etv ) is the root of all conflict. People should just believe in whatever they wish to believe in

# 23 The Tick said, on November 28th, 2009 at 9:42 pm

We need an award for the most retarded troll. This thread would be to that, what Titanic was to the Oscars. Mankind is SO farkin boned.

# 24 conrack said, on November 28th, 2009 at 9:47 pm

David, if you think there aren’t any height restrictions on church steeples then you ARE the retarded troll that Tick says you are.

# 25 R.O.P. said, on November 28th, 2009 at 10:10 pm

I would rather see a referendum on “prosperity gospel” ministers getting their church to buy them a jet plane and then having that minister rent the plane back to the church for more than the monthly payments for their own personal use. (Google Mac Hammond.)

# 26 brm said, on November 28th, 2009 at 10:22 pm

#22:

“Organized religion (Islam, Christianity, Buddism, etc) is the root of all conflict.”

Does this explain both world wars and the cold war? Religion is the root of *some* conflict.

# 27 Ralph, the Bus Driver said, on November 28th, 2009 at 10:46 pm

#24, conrack,

For whatever reason, you must have been shamed by a Muslim when you were younger. Did one stand beside you at a urinal and ruin your life forever? Are you now that inadequate that you must hate all Muslims? Will you now insist all Muslims wear a yellow moon and star on their chest?

# 28 Ah_Yea said, on November 28th, 2009 at 10:53 pm

#25. AMEN to that Brother!

Of course this minaret thing is an attempt by the Swiss to curb Islam.

The Swiss are drawing a line and saying “This far and no further”.

So what? Ok, they get no minarets. Big deal.

What’s the follow up? Curb Muslim immigration? Sterilize the women?

How are they REALLY going to curb Muslim influence?

# 29 tursiops said, on November 29th, 2009 at 12:01 am

I am a swiss person and I vote for not to ban them. As I have a few muslim friends and don’t think we should treat everyone as a terrorist when only a few minority are.

# 30 Rick Cain said, on November 29th, 2009 at 12:02 am

Tell ya what, once the Saudis allow christian churches in Mecca, then we can talk about religious tolerance.

# 31 Faxon said, on November 29th, 2009 at 12:12 am

So, if 5% of the population are Muslim immigrants, and MOST are not practicing Muslims, why the hell should the country look like a backward Middle Eastern Shit Hole?

# 32 yanikinwaoz said, on November 29th, 2009 at 1:29 am

Have any of you people over lived in a Muslim country. Man, those damn noisy calls to prayer at dawn are just hell on hangovers.

A good friend of mine, a hard drinking Texas boy, once got stuck in Malaysia for a day when Malaysia Airlines had aircraft problem. They put him up in a hotel just south of the KLM airport. Trouble is, the hotel is next door to a mosque.

Being stuck for 24 hour out in the sticks of Malaysia, my friend did what comes natural to him. He got rip roaring drunk. At sunrise, the mosque started broadcasting their call to prayer, which they do over loudspeakers installed in the minarets. He stumbled out of bed, crawled over to the mosque, and tried to find the bastard “singing” into the microphone. He didn’t find him, which is a good thing. He told me he was planning on choking him.

He swore he would never spend a night in a muslim country ever again. They just have no respect for hard drinking westerners.

# 33 Cursor_ said, on November 29th, 2009 at 1:51 am

If I were Swiss I would vote against it as well.

There is no sense in banning architectural design.

Cursor_

# 34 Zybch said, on November 29th, 2009 at 2:33 am

They should go further than just banning minarets, they should bulldoze every mosque to the ground and turn the rubble into carparks!
If the ragheads love their religion and it’s pedophile prophet so damn much they are free to to live in an Islamic country rather than bring their shit into other countries with them while fleeing from the religious persecution and intolerance.

# 35 MikeN said, on November 29th, 2009 at 3:46 am

>Why are “church leaders and the Jewish community” opposed?

Because they are used to the others going after their religion. Like the Left in America takes down Christian symbols, or the Taliban taking down religious symbols.

# 36 Animby said, on November 29th, 2009 at 4:19 am

As long as they aren’t standing in them an hour before dawn with bullhorns singing “get up, get up – go pray!”

# 37 Rich said, on November 29th, 2009 at 4:43 am

“The minaret has got nothing to do with religion. It’s a symbol of political power, a prelude to the introduction of sharia law.”

This man is my hero. Pussy, leftist whiners claiming “racist” and such can go hang themselves.

Bravo!

# 38 deowll said, on November 29th, 2009 at 6:13 am

“How can there not be a Christian vs. Muslim aspect to this?”

Written by an ignorant person who no doubt thinks the Bible bans minarets.

A large hunk of Europe isn’t Christian. No more than one in ten in many places.

This is more of the same stuff that has Quebec speaking French and Canada and other countries banning more than X amount of broadcast media made outside their boarders.

They want to preserve their own culture and traditions and one way to do it is to ban foreign culture and traditions. In other words they want to survive.

Their problem is they waited to long. The data is in and in about 50 years the majority of Europe will be Muslim even if the Europeans don’t convert. In a hundred the descendants of native Europeans will be a minority of the population of Europe.

In other words by using birth control on themselves and inviting in outsiders that wanted kids the Europeans have committed genocide on themselves and the entire population is rapidly being replaced. They are going to be as extinct as the Neanderthal.

The same thing is happening the United States. Whites are dieing out. In many regions the predominate ethnic group is Latin American. Islam is on the rise. In a hundred years or so Islamic law may well be the law of the land in the United States. If it is or isn’t whites are going to be minority group with little say in public affairs.

# 39 conrack said, on November 29th, 2009 at 6:41 am

HA !!!

http://swissinfo.ch/eng/front/Minaret_ban_approved_early_results_show.html?siteSect=105&sid=11553929&cKey=1259504377000&ty=st

The Swiss have approved a ban on the construction of minarets, according to incomplete results of voting on Sunday.
The gfs.bern polling institute said an estimated 58 per cent of voters had backed the initiative. A majority of cantons were also in support of a minaret ban. …»

# 40 amodedoma said, on November 29th, 2009 at 7:40 am

Europe, like everywhere else, has taken advantage of cheap immigrant laborers for generations. Now they find themselves with a growing portion of their populations having foreign religions and traditions. Still it’s an exaggeration to say these populations have any political influence, much less in Switzerland. This is the age old political trick of using the immigrants as a scapegoat, to blame them for society’s woes.

# 41 jccalhoun said, on November 29th, 2009 at 7:49 am

So much bigotry in this thread. “Oh noes! People who look different and have a different religion and culture! Scary!”

# 42 Ron said, on November 29th, 2009 at 8:09 am

Maybe the US & other nations should follow Swiss style direct democracy?

The Swiss just voted to ban minarets on mosques and this is a great exercise of their unique form of direct democracy regardless of your views on the subject. But my question is why do the Swiss get to overrule their politicians and parliament and here in the US, we don’t have that right?

Let’s bring Swiss style direct democracy to the United States so Americans can vote on the Wall Street bailouts, government health care, whether to audit or abolish the FED, or require Congress declare war before we invade another country. Read why Switzerland is free and America is not and help restore citizen control over the US government and Congress currently under control of special interests. http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/holland9.1.1.html

# 43 chris said, on November 29th, 2009 at 8:29 am

Let’s be equal opportunity and ban all mega-churches!

# 44 Buzz said, on November 29th, 2009 at 9:44 am

It’s not the minarets that have them bent. It’s the guy shouting across the city five times a day. They offered them a bell option but it was refused.

# 45 yanikinwaoz said, on November 29th, 2009 at 10:51 am

Buzz…
I agree. It is that call to prayer broadcast that is irritating. Ringing of church bells is close behind in my book.

In this days of smart mobile phones, why does any muslim require some bozo shouting from a rooftop? Can’t they program their mobiles to alert them when they have to stop and pray? I’m sure there is an iPhone app for that, plus the built in compass to tell which way to point.

# 46 RTaylor said, on November 29th, 2009 at 12:05 pm

East and West will never mix. Too many fanatics on each side. It’s time to curb immigration laws if you don’t like the influx.
Let the Swiss do what they want.
Radical Islam is a clear and present danger to the West. That’s why we have to at least keep them very busy in Pakistan and Afghanistan. What’s the alternative, you can’t reason with fanatics. Let them regroup, and they’ll be back. I don’t like the cold facts either, but there’s a shitload about life I don’t like.

# 47 Zybch said, on November 29th, 2009 at 1:41 pm

#41 “So much bigotry in this thread. “Oh noes! People who look different and have a different religion and culture! Scary!””

Rather its “Oh noes! People who let their religion brainwash them to the extent that they’ll fly planes into buildings of those who look different and have a different religion and culture! Scary!”

# 48 jccalhoun said, on November 29th, 2009 at 1:48 pm

So because a small percentage of people from a religious group do something bad we should be scared of all of them?

# 49 honeyman said, on November 29th, 2009 at 2:42 pm

The ‘yes’ poster

Yes Poster

# 50 deowll said, on November 29th, 2009 at 2:43 pm

#41 Actually the indigenous European population as a whole is getting a Darwin award. They are in the process of being replaced and the smart ones know it and some of them are upset about it. The same thing is happening to Anglo/Saxons and Northern Europeans in most parts of the world.

If you aren’t an Anglo/Saxon western European this is maybe a good thing since your ethnic group may be on the grow in which case your views are easily understood and respected.

If you are a member of one of the ethnic groups being replaced and you applaud the destruction of your own kind then you can rest assured that soon some more fit population will replace you and the other brain dead people like you.

You don’t even have to eat a bullet or anything drastic like that and don’t worry the numbers are already in and there is no way to prevent it. Your Darwin award is already on the way.

# 51 BertDawg said, on November 29th, 2009 at 3:10 pm

According to the Drudge Report, this resolution got passed..

# 52 BertDawg said, on November 29th, 2009 at 3:20 pm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8385069.stm

# 53 Atropa said, on November 29th, 2009 at 3:24 pm

We’re talking about an initiative, not a referendum.

# 54 "muslims don't like stones just in the ground, but in the..." said, on November 29th, 2009 at 3:58 pm

Islam is NOT ONLY a religion, is a form of society that exclude any other form of society. We must stop talking abaut religions and freedom of religions, but over social freedom, and everybody knows that Islam is not a free society. And many of us we want a free society, but really free and strong enaugh. Democracy is moore than freedom for everybody.

Thanks, Switzerland. Freedom is in the wind.

# 55 bill said, on November 29th, 2009 at 6:49 pm

Pay, Pray, Obey!
Sound Familiar?

#54 has it exactly right.

There is a reason that the minaret towers over the surrounding area, as does most ‘public’ buildings.

Oh, time to face Mecca and pray pilgrim!

# 56 pdxsin said, on November 29th, 2009 at 7:35 pm

Swiss right my ass. The SWISS PEOPLE voted for this. annoying ass site you have here.

[The Swiss right wing anti-immigration party forced the referendum by obtaining the requisite signatures. RTFA. - ed.]

# 57 Greg Allen said, on November 29th, 2009 at 7:55 pm

American conservatives mock Europe but isn’t the Right’s vision of a white Christian nation very European?

# 58 Greg Allen said, on November 29th, 2009 at 8:02 pm

>> pdxsin said, on November 29th, 2009 at 7:35 pm
>> Swiss right my ass. The SWISS PEOPLE voted for this. annoying ass site you have here.

pdxsin,

# 59 locomotivebreath1901 said, on November 29th, 2009 at 8:03 pm

“The minaret has got nothing to do with religion. It’s a symbol of political power, a prelude to the introduction of sharia law,” argued Ulrich Schlüer

Mr. Schluer is correct, based upon the numerous aggressively malignant impositions Islam has made already across Europe.

A word to the wise: a constitution is not a suicide pact.
.

# 60 Greg Allen said, on November 29th, 2009 at 8:05 pm

(oops! I hit the return)

>> pdxsin said, on November 29th, 2009 at 7:35 pm
>> Swiss right my ass. The SWISS PEOPLE voted for this. annoying ass site you have here.

pdxsin,
Wow you got a think for asses.

Anyway, it was the “annoying ass” Guardian that identified this as a right issue.

Is that wrong?

Did the liberals also back this initiative?

I’d be very surprised if that was the case but I know nothing of Swiss politics.

# 61 jccalhoun said, on November 29th, 2009 at 8:13 pm

Islam is NOT ONLY a religion, is a form of society that exclude any other form of society. We must stop talking abaut religions and freedom of religions, but over social freedom, and everybody knows that Islam is not a free society.
So Indonesia, which has the world’s largest Islamic population, isn’t a free society? It may have its problems but it seems like there some social freedoms there. What about Turkey? They seem pretty free.

# 62 speter said, on November 29th, 2009 at 11:32 pm

I applied to build a new house in my local council. I wanted it to be three stories high, with a massive wall, have multiple towers, i wanted a massive sound system, parking for 300 cars, i wanted it to be painted snot green. The building application was rejected.

I re-applied the following week but said i was for a mosque – building work starts next month!

# 63 RBG said, on November 30th, 2009 at 1:34 am

30. Rick Cain: “Tell ya what, once the Saudis allow christian churches in Mecca, then we can talk about religious tolerance.”

Try even a cross hanging around your neck anywhere in KSA. But then, isn’t your statement much like: once the Saudis stop beheadings, then we can talk about our own capital punishment? What exactly is the connection to our own policies?

RBG

# 64 RBG said, on November 30th, 2009 at 1:49 am

I believe this is correct, from my recollection of a newspaper item in Arab News (or similar).

In Saudi Arabia there are now so many mosques that it is now becoming somewhat problematic. You see, it is understood that those who finance and build mosques benefit personally from a portion of the goodwill and prayers said within.

The solution that Muslim leaders have come up with is to direct that builders of mosques should do so in other countries.

RBG

# 65 Zorkor said, on November 30th, 2009 at 3:57 am

Tsk tsk tsk. So much hatred for Muslims and Islams. Shame. And then the western media asks why the Muslims hate us.

# 66 Mr. Fusion said, on November 30th, 2009 at 6:15 am

Bigots, racists, and hatred seldom need a reason and never allow honest facts to sway them. If you don’t believe me then just read the hate filled posts above.

# 67 amodedoma said, on November 30th, 2009 at 6:23 am

#50 deowll

For some reason you seem to think that this is a european situation. Obviously the same thing is happening in the USA, to an even greater extent. The ’successful’ societies seem to reproduce less and live to an older age, while at the same time attracting immigrants. Everything and everyone gets replaced sooner or later, get over it. What really matters are the values that the individual or the society represent. Racists and xenophobes represent fear and ignorance.

# 68 N74JW said, on November 30th, 2009 at 2:12 pm

What else is there to say? majority rules… A government has to protect the freedom from religion as well as the freedom of religion.

Bern isn’t telling the Muslims they cannot practice their religion, just they can’t build a minaret. If that impedes on their religious expression, get elected to public office and change it.

# 69 RBG said, on November 30th, 2009 at 7:21 pm

Somewhere there is a world where there is no racism, no bigotry. And all people marry not according to their race or bigotries.

RBG

# 70 questionit said, on November 30th, 2009 at 8:53 pm

isn’t about darned time that the majority population of a country makes the law, no matter what the liberal populist-“socialists,” so popular these days, say? they are lucky that only 5% of their population is moo-slim, not as bad as in france or england, is it?

you all need to get something straight right now: moo-slims represent, today, 25% of the population of the world and yes, allah has, so they say, told them that they must make all of us bow down to their him, else off with our heads! politics = religion. religion = politics. no wonder neither is good to bring up at your friend’s dinner table.

at the rate that moo-slims are reproducing, in 2025, their number will amount to 50% of the world population!

but you gutless liberals who live in the united states, driving your lexi and living in condos, have given up your time and prime health years to education (so you can sit in a cube talking about sex online when your boss isn’t looking), yes, you caucasians, you, who you deem to be the “oppressor,” because you are not BROWN, know this. 38 out of 100 caucasian first-world women of child-bearing years tell us that they do not want a baby. and with their ultra-overbred dogs, they don’t need one, do they?

And as for sex, you all use one another all the time, but you are such dribbles that you have no courage to be proud of your own race and to represent it in the future with your offspring.

i personally don’t want to see minarets on the horizon in my home town of chicago: i don’t want to even see the ever-increasing number of rude women, driving their mercedes that their husbands bought for them, covered in the burka, watching them in my rearview mirror as they slam on the horn because i take three seconds to start off on a green light.

yes, the moo-slims are INTOLERANT people: they are intolerant of you and of me, because we do not bow down in their mosques, because we do not live their faith. why should we? but if we refuse, who knows when another 911 will hit us?

these people are the nightmare of the western world. why should we tolerate them?

congratulations, switzerland!

# 71 jccalhoun said, on November 30th, 2009 at 9:20 pm

yes, the moo-slims are INTOLERANT people
And you are so tolerant…

# 72 honeyman said, on November 30th, 2009 at 9:33 pm

#70 questionit

Projecting intolerance much?

# 73 questionit said, on December 1st, 2009 at 11:07 am

#69 & 70: yes, i am promoting intolerance. why should we tolerate the practices of a people so rude as to shout out to its people that they must come hither to the mosque to pray, their heads bowed to mecca?

why must the women cover their entire body and face, leaving only their eyes (usually the prettiest part of a woman’s face, btw) to see? is it because the men cannot trust themselves not to haul off one of the women to rape her? maybe, since they have so many wives and babies.

i feel that is intolerable is that the men are allowed to marry four women. most often, these women cook and slave and have numerous babies all for and of this man. if he no longer wants her, he can text message her on a cell phone (but it must be done 3 times): “i divorce you.” would YOU tolerate such injustice? what happens to those women? who supports all their babies? who would then marry one of them, “despoiled” from having had the SEX ACT with their husbands and bearing the fruit of same? they are left out in the lurch.

i have had personal interaction with these moo-slim men and women in chicago and i find that it is THEY that are intolerant of all that represents anything outside of their chosen symbolism and manner of living of any type.

and they are exceptionally cheap and rude. they want to get your items for sale at far lower than wholesale and nag you to death to lower your already sale priced goods (but i admonish you, raise your price when they are slapping you in the face in front of your other customers), at the top of their lungs in your store. better yet, do not touch the money they offer to you because it is tainted with their mightier than thou righteousness attitudes.

are you aware that the most likely thing to cause WWIII would be that the mosque standing on the original temple(s) grounds in jerusalem was to be torn down, bombed, or otherwise destroyed by people? do you call that tolerance? oh!

why we should tolerate their minarets, a symbol of male supremacy, all due to the beauty of one type of architecture–of THEIR architecture? what about architecture of the jewish people, the hindus, the buddhists, the christians, the pagans, the ancient peoples’ pyramids and/or other religious architecture that they built? and what about the non architectural, sectoral endeavors of the atheists (who handle money gladly even though it says “in god we trust” but yet, are “offended” to the extent that they can demand that certain monuments in DC that have even latin wording praising god be altered so that it no longer does, like one aluminum tile atop the washington monument)?

yes, i tout intolerance of these moo-slims that stand to destroy our way of life. our forefathers fought so hard to give us a country whereby we have the right to worship as we like, to build as we like, to say what we want to–verbally, and in print.

and i will be “offended” if my freedom to be intolerant of these people that are out to destroy us is removed from me. i will be so INTOLERANT that i will ask the idiot red commie liberals at the ACLU to file suit on my behalf to regain my right not to tolerate these people and their demands in my own neighborhood.

why should i tolerate them? why should you? if you continue such conduct, they will deem you mentally and spiritually weak, and then they will lead you sheep into the MOO-SLIM faith.

it’s my right to choose not to tolerate them and their male-pride minarets!

# 74 RBG said, on December 1st, 2009 at 11:43 am

73 questionit

“why should we tolerate the practices of a people so rude as to shout out to its people that they must come hither to the mosque to pray, their heads bowed to mecca?”

As opposed to ringing a gigantic Christian bell to come hither and bow, huh?

As opposed to having Christian women cover certain parts of their anatomy, huh?

As opposed to some Christian Mormons with their multiple wives. Or some Christians who support gay marriages. Or Christian women who cook and slave and have numerous babies all for and of this man, huh?

As opposed to your Christian warmth & generosity, huh?

As opposed to the Christian method of getting the lowest price by impersonal auction, huh?

As opposed to the Christian White House or US Capitol building being torn down or bombed and starting WWIII, huh?

As opposed to “male pride” Washington Monument or Christian church spires, huh?

As opposed to our forefathers fighting so hard to give us a country whereby we have the right to say what you want but still obey the laws of the majority, huh?

RBG

# 75 Rick Cain said, on December 1st, 2009 at 11:20 pm

If islam is go great, why don’t muslims go to their home nations and fix all their botched governments. Can any of you hoestly tell me one islamic nation with progressive attitudes and equal rights for women?

Oh yeah, that was Saddam’s Iraq…its gone now and it had its own problems anyway.

# 76 RBG said, on December 2nd, 2009 at 12:33 am

75. Rick Cain
Turkey. 98% Muslim.
“In the 1930s, Turkey became one of the first countries in the world to give full political rights to women, including the right to elect (in 1930) and to be elected (in 1934), to every political office.

Article 10 of the Turkish Constitution bans any discrimination, state or private, on the grounds of sex.”

But you argue for why there needs to be more Muslims outside Islamic countries like there are more Jews outside of Israel.

RBG

# 77 Aftab said, on December 15th, 2009 at 11:12 am

Swiss have done a great job. Now they should start deporting muslims who refuse to respect European culture of free thought and humanism.

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