Nick Griffin on Climategate – NWO Plan

Published on December 7th, 2009

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# 1 mdsharpe said, on December 7th, 2009 at 8:06 am

Please tell me you’re not paying attention to Nick Griffin..!

# 2 The0ne said, on December 7th, 2009 at 8:07 am

Why are there so many climate topics all of a sudden? Is there a lack of news or is this propaganda run amok.

# 3 The0ne said, on December 7th, 2009 at 8:12 am

Seriously, this needs to stop. There are way too many fanatics here. Lets get some Palin news so someone can post a sexy pic of her for me.

See, FANATICS!

# 4 Dr Dodd said, on December 7th, 2009 at 8:17 am

Nick covered the climate change fraud with extreme clarity and insight. Can’t ask for much more than that.

# 5 bobbo, the opposition is illogical said, on December 7th, 2009 at 8:22 am

The fact that weather has changed in the past SAYS NOTHING about why/how it is changing now. Jebesus==can you deniers even buy a clue??????

Silly Hoomans. (Dismal==you are still a dolt. Being only silly would be progress on your part.)

Hey, what do you know, it wasn’t dismal posting that tripe, it was Dr Doodypants. My bad.

# 6 Eric D said, on December 7th, 2009 at 8:23 am

Where is he saying that? EU Parliament or something?

# 7 TTHor said, on December 7th, 2009 at 8:24 am

“Orwellian consensus” – love it! Griffin’s got it – and good to hear someone tell the reality of the travesty. “Carbon credit indulgences”… only as a true Brit could place it this way. My hero!!!

# 8 TTHor said, on December 7th, 2009 at 8:28 am

And for the rest of you that still have not got it – The Hopenhagen summit is on! and it will decide on your future! more than climate semantics; but world economy, new world order etc. !
In what hole have you been hiding the last few weeks. Wake up!!!
This is important… even though you find it boring. It is about YOIUR FUTURE… get it?

# 9 Faxon said, on December 7th, 2009 at 8:28 am

Bobbo, you lockstep liberal, does it not, then, strain your credibility to believe that the earth warmed up after the little Ice Age and it was a natural cycle? Gosh. A NATURAL cycle. Imagine that. Sure, pollution is not good. But neither is hysteria based on lies. Tool.

# 10 Faxon said, on December 7th, 2009 at 8:30 am

#5, you lockstep liberal, does it not, then, strain your credibility to believe that the earth warmed up after the little Ice Age and it was a natural cycle? Gosh. A NATURAL cycle. Imagine that. Sure, pollution is not good. But neither is hysteria based on lies. Tool.

# 11 Tbeale said, on December 7th, 2009 at 8:36 am

It seems some of the sheep are starting to awaken. But then we have bobbo. Hey bobbo….how’s that Swine flu shot workin out for ya…(pats head).

# 12 Proud Alien said, on December 7th, 2009 at 8:39 am

Who is this guy?

# 13 bobbo, the opposition is illogical said, on December 7th, 2009 at 8:51 am

Hah, hah.

Hard to think in 100 year cycles of cause, delay, effect?

The various arguments for and against global warming, for and against human caused global warming, for and against the best way to respond to best evidence regarding global warming are of various credibility===BUT===some arguments ARE JUST PLAIN STUPID!!!

The fact that Greenland was once green is one of these shockingly IGNORANT arguments. The climate models are based on MANY FACTORS including sun cycles, earth tilt, etc. To show that any one factor looked on by itself is “inconsistent” with a warming trend is just plain shit for brains.

How can I fly like an eagle if I’m surrounded by turkeys? Try to do better.

Pathetic!!

# 14 TTHor said, on December 7th, 2009 at 8:51 am

“Against stupidity the very gods Themselves contend in vain.” – take it those who feel inclined….

# 15 bobbo, the opposition is illogical said, on December 7th, 2009 at 9:02 am

Hah, hah. Lots of laughter this morning. I’m watching “The Genius of Charles Darwin” with Richard Dawkins grappling with some idiot saying they could accept evolution if only there was any proof. If only there were any bones from an intermediate species. Dawkins explains there are thousands of complete and beautiful examples of this very thing==how many reptilian jaw bones evolved into a single mammalian jaw bone with he extra bones becoming the mechanism of the middle ear. “Come, let me show you the proof!=====Blank stare in return.”

Kinda like Greenland.

# 16 Dr Dodd said, on December 7th, 2009 at 9:02 am

#12-bobbo

I see you are still sucking on the teat of Socialism. Looks like you will do well as a slave in the New World Order. They will probably place you in a nice little corner in some brothel servicing friends of Obama.

Yes, I’m sure they will put all your experience at sucking to good use.

# 17 Tbeale said, on December 7th, 2009 at 9:04 am

#12. The point of the post is not climate change denial bobbo. The point is that governments are trying to use this opportunity to fund the NWO and steal even more of your money.

You may return when you have a clue. (pats head a little harder this time).

# 18 Fat_Anarchy said, on December 7th, 2009 at 9:05 am

Can’t believe you are posting Nick Griffin to try and support your argument. You are aware that he is a complete tool, and is the leader of the BNP? For those who don’t know, that is the British National Party AKA The British National Front, AKA the Neo-Nazi Party.

Actually, it doesnt really surprise me on this blog. All he ever does is talk about the conspiracy to wipe out the white race from the UK, etc. Hes pretty much a perfect spokesman for you conspiracy nuts

# 19 Fat_Anarchy said, on December 7th, 2009 at 9:15 am

I see you are now posting videos of Nick Griffin to try and support your views.

I see you have absolutely no idea that he is the leader of the BNP aka the British National Party, aka the National Front, aka the neo-nazi party. How about you guys next just post a video of the Grand Wizard from your local KKK group saying that he doesnt believe in global warming too.

To be honest…I think it sums up the anti-climate change bunch perfectly. Uninformed. Bigoted, and out of date

# 20 oh yea man said, on December 7th, 2009 at 9:16 am

I was sure I heard that Greenland was named so as to misguide invading forces, it being Ice covered and all. Great Clip by the way JCD.

# 21 bobbo, the opposition is illogical said, on December 7th, 2009 at 9:17 am

#15–Doodypants==a generic slur chosen from your favorite bumpersticker? Sad devolution on display. Try to at all relevant? You do know what being relevant means?????

Why don’t you connect the dots for us? How does the fact that there are natural occuring cycles of warming and cooling negate the hypothesis that manking pumping trillions of tons of carbon into the atmosphere for 200 years can also affect the climate????

Can you do that for us snugums?

# 22 Greg Allen said, on December 7th, 2009 at 9:19 am

It’s very interesting to see who the anti-science “flat-earthers” are today.

Traditionally the Catholics have been blamed for being anti-science but today it is those who worship at the Church of Capitalism who have taken up that role in society.

The Catholics, today, seem to be on the right side of climate science.

# 23 Dr Dodd said, on December 7th, 2009 at 9:29 am

#19-bobbo

You really don’t have a clue, do you? How can creatures of this earth exhale anything that is harmful to the planet or it’s climate?

The idea is absurd on the face of it as is this climate change scam you are helping to promote.

# 24 Science said, on December 7th, 2009 at 9:43 am

Fantastic video, full support! Science stands by itself, it doesn’t need a PR agency and emotional cries. Publish the raw data for all to see. State the limitations of the study.. AGW is a hoax to make a one world trading system controlled by a few. If it was real, you would just punish the criminals.

# 25 JimR said, on December 7th, 2009 at 10:15 am

Give me a gun somebody… I’ll shoot the messenger.

# 26 JimR said, on December 7th, 2009 at 10:19 am

Next up…

Donald Duck will now speak on the dire consequences of ignoring anthropological forcing of climate change. (clapping)

# 27 SparkyOne said, on December 7th, 2009 at 10:21 am

OMG I can live with 8k ppm of CO2 but not this crap!

Dec. 7 (Bloomberg) — The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency will declare carbon dioxide a health hazard today, paving the way for limits on emissions from sources such as power plants and factories, people familiar with the matter said.

# 28 Dallas said, on December 7th, 2009 at 10:27 am

I now gather from the right that there is no connection between eating and getting fat. It’s natural! It’s all in the genes!!

Hope this makes for an extra Merry xMas!

# 29 gmknobl said, on December 7th, 2009 at 10:35 am

I’m not hysterical except from laughing at this guy.

# 30 JimR said, on December 7th, 2009 at 10:41 am

Dallas, the data supporting eating and getting fat is current and available. On the other hand, tree rings (for instance) which represent only 15% of the earths surface (oh, and data for critical tree ring dates have ‘disappeared’) are highly speculative. Sure there are high concentrations of CO2 in the air… that is indisputable. But something stinks here and it ain’t CO2.

# 31 bobbo, meanwhile simple facts are ignored said, on December 7th, 2009 at 10:48 am

Sea level is constantly rising:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Current_sea_level_rise

Anybody have an explanation for this other than global warming?

NOT YOU DR DOODYPANTS. I don’t want to hear “Just because the ocean is rising doesn’t mean the ice is melting.” Guess at what % of the air you breath that becomes CO2 will kill you and how that relates to whether or not CO2 or any other anything can be labeled a pollutant????

I KNOW no human being can be that retarded–so quit pulling my chain thinking you are being clever by making yourself look incredibly stoopid. Only Alfred had a temporary license for that activity.

# 32 Greg Allen said, on December 7th, 2009 at 11:07 am

This nonsense is brought to you by the same crowd who claim,

“The number of guns in a society CAN’T POSSIBLY be linked to the number of gun deaths. Just the opposite! Guns make us safer!”

# 33 Tbeale said, on December 7th, 2009 at 11:11 am

Hey bobbo the clown, where’s that swine flu pandemic…..? Hmmmm?

The Idiots will fall for just about any scam.

# 34 BipBop said, on December 7th, 2009 at 11:16 am

Bobbo read the wiki article once more please..

Thermal expansion, which is well-quantified, is currently the primary contributor to sea level rise and is expected to be the primary contributor over the course of the next century. Glacial contributions to sea-level rise are less important,[8] and are more difficult to predict and quantify.

There is actually several explanations and research papers that point towards under-sea volcanoes that can more easily heat up the earths oceans and create this sort of thermal expansion. You can do the science experiment in your own home.. or by simple knowledge in physics. Take an inside swimming pool, increase the temperature in the air of the house.. see how fast it will heat up the water in your pool. Then put some heating cables under your pool and turn them on… check which one will increase the pool temperature the most and fastest. I know amateurish way to do it, but it shows the effects more clearly. There are a lot of science articles on this.. google is your friend. 15 years ago we knew of about 200 under water volcanoes to date we know of over 5,000 active – and they contributes to 75% of annual magma output. The heat of magma is over 13 times the boiling point of water.

# 35 BipBop said, on December 7th, 2009 at 11:20 am

And for those so pro-AGW.. please explain to the rest of us “deniers” why every single one of these scientists and earth lovers are doing this:

http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/12/07/copenhagen-climate-summit-140-private-jets-1200-limos-5-hybrids/#comments

# 36 JimR said, on December 7th, 2009 at 11:28 am

“15 years ago we knew of about 200 under water volcanoes to date we know of over 5,000 active”

Well OBVIOUSLY man is not responsible for an increase in volcanic activity. There must be a peer reviewed paper on the effect of this increased activity on CO2 levels and warming of the oceans. Anyone?

In the meantime, I found this interesting…
http://tiny.cc/450PeerReviewedPapers supporting Skepticism of “Man-Made” Global Warming.

# 37 Bob Brobst said, on December 7th, 2009 at 11:32 am

I like this guy!!

# 38 bobbo, words have meaning said, on December 7th, 2009 at 11:34 am

#32–BB==well done. You have me there. I doubt the climate models have factored in the long term/overall core cooling of the earth yet no one can deny ocean rise could be caused by an increase in underwater volcanic activity.

The fact that all over the world, the great majority of glaciers are melting is just a coinkydink===but thats not proof.

So==back to my first argument==is the possibility of volcanic activity so well established as to overrule the notion of co2 pollution? I think not, but your mileage may vary.

# 39 bobbo, words have meaning said, on December 7th, 2009 at 11:41 am

#33–Jim==Craig Loehle sounds good from the wicki until you go look at the Heartland Institute:

http://sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Heartland_Institute

The Heartland Institute, according to the Institute’s web site, is a nonprofit organization whose mission is “to discover and promote free-market solutions to social and economic problems”.[1] The Institute campaigns in support of:

* “Common-sense environmentalism”, such as opposition to the the Kyoto Protocol aimed at countering global warming
* Genetically engineered crops and products;
* The privatization of public services;
* The introduction of school vouchers;
* The deregulation of health care insurance;

and against:

* What it refers to as “junk science”;
* Tobacco control measures such as tobacco tax increases (the Institute denies the health effects of second-hand smoke);

This is a dickhead institution. We all know dickhead institutions only hire dickheads to work for them and dickheads are not to be trusted.

I won’t look at what the link might mean by “peer reviewed.” Peer review by other dickheads I will assume. Hey–could be Dr. D ((you know who I mean, dickheads always staying close to doodypants.))

# 40 honeyman said, on December 7th, 2009 at 12:28 pm

Great. The options are global governance by the climate fear hegemony or fascist Britain under Nick Griffin.

I’m so sick of this bogus debate.

# 41 be_in_p said, on December 7th, 2009 at 12:31 pm

Nick Griffin believes that the British people should have the choice to decide if Britain remains a European country, or becomes a third-world country via immigration of third-world people. If you other readers believe that makes him an “evil Nazi”, then you must believe the British people should not have that choice. Thus you are for the genocide of the British people, and it is you who are the “evil Nazis”.

# 42 tonyedit said, on December 7th, 2009 at 12:45 pm

Now children, go and read #38s comments there.

Now, who’s side of the debate is this guy on?

Right, you lot ponder that and I’ll just start packing up the kids for a trip to Blighty in the Prius. By the way mister small p, does the fact that I’m white mean that I would still qualify for genocide against the English people? Is there a form I have to fill in as a non-Caucasian?

Shame on you Dvorak.

# 43 JimR said, on December 7th, 2009 at 12:47 pm

#36, bobbo… LOL… yep Craig Loehle sure seems like a doodypants.

…but there are over 500 different other names (sample estimate) attached to those papers, and I don’t believe guilty by association is appropriate for BOTH sides of this argument. However, the bulk of these 500 are probably not as colluded as the IPCC marching band.

Peer reviewed is peer reviewed. The same rules apply always. If you dispute a whole slew of them you may as well throw suspicion on every one. Good scientists are getting their names trashed because they dare speak out … just because the discussion is deemed over by the loudest and most financially backed howlers.

# 44 Benjamin said, on December 7th, 2009 at 12:50 pm

So bobbo, if you believe that global warming is man-made and caused by C02, even though water vapor has a greater effect as a green-house gas, what do you propose to do about it?

Please come up with a plan that will not affect my way of life, won’t increase the costs of goods and services, and won’t cause my employer to have to cut back on staff and production (which would affect my way of life.) I am not interested in a tax on carbon and I am not interested in losing my personal and economic freedom.

# 45 Jim said, on December 7th, 2009 at 12:58 pm

Maybe the doubters would do good to actually read about science from real science news site. Not Fox News!!!! Earth More Sensitive to Carbon Dioxide Than Previously Thought http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/12/091206162955.htm

# 46 be_in_p said, on December 7th, 2009 at 1:06 pm

#39 if you believe you are “white”, then you must believe there is such a thing as a “white people”, and that they somehow differ from “non-white people”. That makes you an evil Nazi, so you go hang your head in shame. You also sound like you think John’s readers need to be protected from free speech, when it is free speech that needs to be protected from people like you.

# 47 tonyedit said, on December 7th, 2009 at 1:31 pm

At #43 I was just using “White” in a context typical of Mr. Griffins worldview mister small p.

Here’s something he said in “The Rune” which was an anti-semitic rag he edited in the mid nineties. BTW, in 1998 he was found guilty of inciting race hatred at Harrow Crown Court for denying that the Holocaust ever took place.

From Wikipedia…

Referring to the election of the BNP’s first councillor at a 1993 council by-election in Millwall, in the London Borough of Tower Hamlets, he wrote:

“The electors of Millwall did not back a post modernist rightist party, but what they perceived to be a strong, disciplined organisation with the ability to back up its slogan “Defend Rights for Whites” with well-directed boots and fists.”

- That’s the context of white I referred to. The one the xenophobes, racists and radical nationalists of the western world world cling to in an attempt to hold onto their precious fantasies of an ethnically and culturally pure homeland.

My criticism of Dvorak rises from what I perceive as bad editing. I have high regard for him as a journalist and personality but I’m disappointed that he would consider a hateful character such as Nick Griffin as worthy of contribution to one of the most pressing debates of our time.

# 48 JimR said, on December 7th, 2009 at 1:33 pm

#42, one way is to stop spending billions of dollars trying to pin the current change in climate on you and I.

We have been deemed guilty of a crime against humanity and we will pay hefty penalties for such things as heating my house with natural gas when the temperature drops below freezing 6 months of the year.

Just think, if all that money and determination were spent on alternative and abundant energy sources… using all that scientific talent and coordination worldwide to pool our knowledge and develop less carbon dependent sources… spent 15 years doing THAT instead of counting tree rings and poking holes in glaciers… we would be in much better shape today and probably have thousands of peer reviewed papers on alternative energy solutions AND a reduction in CO2 by now.

# 49 BipBop said, on December 7th, 2009 at 1:40 pm

#33 JimR – there are several peer reviewed papers.. if you google you got one guy who runs a website that has chronologically looked at peer reviewed docs on undersea volcanoes and their contribution to global warming. Read a hoard of them that is why I know about it. I suggest a quick google, it came up in the top 5. Posting links here needs approval first.

#34 Bobbo – There is actually a mixed growth/shrinkage of glaciers.. example Norway.. briksdals glacier has been shrinking but it’s sister glacier one fjord over has doubled in size. I have pictures of Briksdals glacier 100 yrs back and it was barely falling over the mountain tops, compare it to pictures 20 yrs back it was all the way down to the tourist huts, now it is on its way back to the mountain tops. We call this sort of pulsating action “breathing” of the glacier. South Pole has increased while that of the north has shrunk over the last few years, but increased after, gaining some 30%. To put that into perspective the antarctic has 90% of earths ice and 80% of earths fresh water..that is heck of a lot more than the arctic.

Like i’ve pointed out before and will do again.. i don’t say that volcanic activity is the sole creator of CO2. No doubt humans cause CO2 as well, I just think that we attribute and give ourselves too much credit. I also think that these volcanoes contribute more than CO2, they contribute direct heat to the oceans, and as a result contribute to thermal expansion of the ocean, which again contributes to rising sea levels. They’ve found under-water volcanoes right under the arctic pole as well as on greenland, melting away the ice.

# 50 Rabble Rouser said, on December 7th, 2009 at 1:48 pm

How much money is Exxon-Mobil paying this guy. He’s obviously a lobbyist.

# 51 JimR said, on December 7th, 2009 at 1:49 pm

Re tonyedit, #45…

It was the organizers of the summit meeting that let him speak. And why not? I would have too if I were arguing for the other side. The scientist to his right looks downright giddy.

Hmmm…

“South Africa added new impetus, saying on Sunday it would cut its carbon emissions to 34 per cent below expected levels by 2020, if rich countries furnished financial and technological help.”

Sure we will! The USA will gladly give you 2… no 3 trillion dollars.
Heck, make it 4 trillion. Line up everybody… it’s a free-fort all!

Wait!!! Did they say technology??? What technology? I’m still burning natural gas to keep warm.

# 52 tonyedit said, on December 7th, 2009 at 2:10 pm

JimR #49.

Agreed. I’m just a bit disappointed and feel like having a little cry.

Oh, and I think South Africa was probably winking at China. You guys are as screwed as we Irish no? Natural gas? Hell, I’m standing in a foot of water burning polar bear carcass in a barrel cos believe it or not, we just suffered the worst floods nationally in living memory.

Hark, is that the sound of fiddle from yonder hill?

# 53 be_in_p said, on December 7th, 2009 at 2:11 pm

#45, you personify what needs to be corrected in Western countries, if there are going to be any in the future. Perhaps one day you will be convicted of disallowed thoughts, as Nick Griffin was.

# 54 tonyedit said, on December 7th, 2009 at 2:21 pm

#52

“you personify what needs to be corrected in Western countries”

Oh this is becoming fun.

Mister small p, are you implying that Mr. Griffin is a victim of thoughtcrime?

# 55 Uncle Patso said, on December 7th, 2009 at 3:13 pm

Time to change the name of the blog to “Climate Change Debunked While You Wait”

# 56 Mark T. said, on December 7th, 2009 at 4:39 pm

To the Honorable Nick Griffin, HEAR, HEAR! Well said!

Nice find, John C.!

# 57 Animby said, on December 7th, 2009 at 6:43 pm

Nick Griffin is a loon.

But even loons can be right now and then.

“Pope Gore.” hehehehehe

# 58 russ said, on December 7th, 2009 at 7:17 pm

Everyone seems to be missing the simple side to all of this fuss. They have finally found a way to tax the air we breathe and some don’t seem to care about that fact!

# 59 jimmyblue said, on December 7th, 2009 at 8:40 pm

Shame on you Dvorak this guy’s a fascist who denies the holocaust.

# 60 BipBop said, on December 7th, 2009 at 10:03 pm

#58 Couldn’t agree with you more, posted the exact same thing in another post on this site. If that isn’t horrendous, I don’t know what is. Just wait for the oxygen and nitrogen tax.

# 61 Rick Cain said, on December 8th, 2009 at 12:24 am

Who knew that the entire scientific world revolved around tiny East Anglia!

# 62 Fido said, on December 8th, 2009 at 2:55 am

From a guy who’s is a white supremacist…

# 63 Mr. Fusion said, on December 8th, 2009 at 11:00 am

#23, Dr. Dudd,

You really don’t have a clue, do you? How can creatures of this earth exhale anything that is harmful to the planet or it’s climate?

It really is a problem that you are so intellectually challenged.

Animal feces ends up fertilizing plants that, in turn, either we eat directly or feed other animals that we eat. Since you don’t see any problem here, why don’t you skip the middle man and eat shit directly. Save a tree.

# 64 Mr. Fusion said, on December 8th, 2009 at 11:08 am

#35, bippity bop,

And for those so pro-AGW.. please explain to the rest of us “deniers” why every single one of these scientists and earth lovers are doing this:

Maybe you could stop and read the material. Copenhagen is a discussion for POLITICIANS, not scientists.

# 65 Greg Allen said, on December 8th, 2009 at 11:12 am

Oh, I get it now.

John is repeating the anti-science RWTP in order to undercut the EPA’s announcement.

# 66 Mr. Fusion said, on December 8th, 2009 at 11:20 am

#49, bippity bop,

#33 JimR – there are several peer reviewed papers..

So in other words you want others to do your homework for you.

If you get caught up in the spam filter, don’t post as many links. Try one or two per post.

BUT, as for your bogus comment on another posting, the Oregon Project is a bogus list that has been debunked.

# 67 Mr. Fusion said, on December 8th, 2009 at 11:25 am

Bippity bop

Here, another site that debunks your “tens of thousands” that don’t believe in global warming.

Or, how about The National Academy of Science disavowing itself from the list. Even though several members are on the list and can’t get their names removed.

# 68 badtimes said, on December 8th, 2009 at 5:32 pm

This guy is chairman of the BNP.
Shame on you Dvorak.
What’s next- well, ole David Duke here has some good things to say, let’s give him a listen, okay?

# 69 honeyman said, on December 8th, 2009 at 7:51 pm

#68 badtimes

Yes the guy is a racist fool with fascist tendencies, but its no reason to discount what he says. Its only when these idiots are allowed to speak out that we can effecively challenge their ideas. Discounting what they say or censoring them is not the answer. Give em enough rope.

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