Video – If Air Travel Worked Like Health Care

Published on January 8th, 2010

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# 1 R.O.P. said, on January 8th, 2010 at 3:01 am

Yep, this is exactly what the “free market” health care system has given us. Is it any wonder that people might be willing to try single payer/Government options a chance? No Government official will get the pay/golden parachute that United Healthcare’s William McGuire received.

# 2 Corsair said, on January 8th, 2010 at 3:03 am

looks like he’s gonna sing.. i’m out

# 3 mike said, on January 8th, 2010 at 3:25 am

#1…funny.
I thought this would be in reference to Govt., 1 payer system? You obviously have never actually worked in a govt. job. Can you say Homela..CIA.FBI…ity.

Good news is just to our north the have both Govt. healthcare and Govt. air travel. Fortunately, I have only had the “pleasure” of using their Govt. travel… Air Canada. Which is basically the only Canadian Airline.

To clarify…I agree no “single” politician will get the golden parachute… most likely they all will. At least I have a choice not to use United Health Care… for now.

Enjoy…

# 4 Ah_Yea said, on January 8th, 2010 at 5:06 am

This healthcare bill much go away.

This well thought out article has lots of information why.

# 5 Derek said, on January 8th, 2010 at 5:29 am

Hmmmmmm… Government is what made healthcare so convoluted in the first place! We need tort reform, but then the politicians wouldn’t be getting blow jobs from lawyer lobbyists anymore. And god forbid we allow competition across state lines! Then they wouldn’t get their salad’s tossed by the insurance lobbyists.

Honestly people… How entrenched in your lives do you want government? Government is not the answer, it’s the damn problem.

# 6 Eric said, on January 8th, 2010 at 5:30 am

The problem isn’t all that cut and dry. It sounds like there’s an argument for a single payer solution that would end all the “frustration” of dealing with the health care accounting system. Except for the fact that the health care industry is under extremely tight regulation (HIPAA) when it comes to handing out patient records. A few years ago, I could easily get my glasses prescription from my eye doctor and take it to Lens Crafters to get glasses made. Now, I have to contact both parties and arrange to have someone sit by the fax machine (since there’s no trust established between the computer systems) and grab the fax when it comes through. This is the effect of the law, passed by the federal government, even though the information truly only passes a few hundred feet (my eye doctor is in the same mall as Lens Crafters).

Why is the Federal Government involved at all in this transaction? It isn’t Interstate, I authorized my doctor to give out my prescription, and it would actually be more secure for me to take a copy with me to Lens Crafters, unless there’s an unruly mob of teenagers who are waiting by the door to get glasses made with my prescription.

http://hhs.gov/ocr/privacy/hipaa/understanding/summary/index.html

And people really believe that the government being involved in health care accounting will be a good thing?

I watched Terry Gilliam’s Brazil again last night (it’s on Encore this month). Pay very close attention to the way the bureaucrats speak. He really nailed it, much better than these 2 clowns.

# 7 Awake said, on January 8th, 2010 at 5:32 am

Government managed healthcare:
a) Call the doctor of your choice to make an appointment.
b) Visit doctor.
c) Paperwork? What paperwork?

It’s called Medicare, and yes, that is exactly how it works right now.

I would be very happy to join the Medicare system as my own private insurance carrier and pay comparable rates. It would be cheaper and more convenient, and for people in “non-elderly” age group would add virtually nothing to the overall system costs, and probably even reduce the tax burden on the overall population.

# 8 ArianeB said, on January 8th, 2010 at 5:35 am

Saw this on a blog:

what would happen if the Federal Reserve and the TSA switched roles:

“If a bank failed at 9 a.m. one morning and shut its doors, the TSA would announce that all banks henceforth begin their business day at 10 a.m.

And, if a terrorist managed to get on board a plane between Stockholm and Washington, the Fed would increase the number of flights between the cities.”

# 9 Ah_Yea said, on January 8th, 2010 at 5:38 am

BTW, the above article is written by HOWARD DEAN, “Former chairman of the Democratic National Committee and governor of Vermont from 1991 to 2002″.

He specifically states “I know health reform when I see it, and there isn’t much left in the Senate bill. I reluctantly conclude that, as it stands, this bill would do more harm than good to the future of America.”

I never thought I would agree with this guy on anything, but he is absolutely right.

# 10 Ah_Yea said, on January 8th, 2010 at 5:40 am

The Supreme Court will probably strike down critical provisions of this health care bill as unconstitutional anyways.

# 11 Ah_Yea said, on January 8th, 2010 at 5:51 am

This is also a good analysis of the current Democratic situation.

Wall Street Journal:
“Passage of the health-care bill will be, for the administration, a catastrophic victory. If it is voted through in time for the State of the Union Address, as President Obama hopes, half the chamber will rise to their feet and cheer. They will be cheering their own demise.”

# 12 Dallas said, on January 8th, 2010 at 5:59 am

This video exactly shows the dysfunctional and incompatible state of the heath care system.

The obvious flaw in the video is the operator needs to be writing all this on a paper pad and handing in over to some doctor to write the airline ticket illegibly.

This is why electronic medical record standards need to be enabled by the government- exactly what Prez Obama is doing.

# 13 qb said, on January 8th, 2010 at 6:04 am

#3 Mike said “Fortunately, I have only had the “pleasure” of using their Govt. travel… Air Canada. Which is basically the only Canadian Airline.”

Um, have you actually been to Canada?

# 14 Personality said, on January 8th, 2010 at 6:10 am

#12 shhhhh. You’ll scare the wingnut pukes with that foul language.

# 15 Richard said, on January 8th, 2010 at 6:17 am

Awake #7 – You have obviously never had to take someone who uses Medicare to the hospital or doctor’s office. Medicare patients have to fill out the complete medical paperwork like everyone else.
You know that Medicare is largely paid for by the tax payers, not the users? So how could adding a lot more people to it reduce the cost to the tax payer?

# 16 pedro said, on January 8th, 2010 at 6:54 am

#15 Only on the feverish mind of a lefty loon getting the government more involved than it already is will make things better.

# 17 qb said, on January 8th, 2010 at 6:54 am

ROP thinks the US is mainly private health care. Mike thinks Canada is all public. Run the numbers to get a clear picture.

Last year total spend in USD per capita (from the OECD report)
US: $7290
Canada: $3895

Percentage health care spend public/private (+/- 2% OECD)
US: 45/65
Canada: 72/28

Actual public spend (total * public percentage)
US: $3281
Canada: $2804

In a nutshell, the US spends a lot of public money on health care, even compared to Canada. The US also has (by percentage) far more government salaried physicians than Canada.

Do we have problems with our health care system? No doubt, but stop bull shitting yourself that the US is the great evil private empire and Canada is the great evil socialist empire.

# 18 tpressman said, on January 8th, 2010 at 6:54 am

looks more like a priceline or hotwire experience.

# 19 tcc3 said, on January 8th, 2010 at 7:00 am

And only a fool would believe its a good idea to allow corporations whose job it is to *not* provide health care determine our health care needs.

# 20 Awake said, on January 8th, 2010 at 7:05 am

#12 Richard.

Having taken care of my mother for 10 years, until she died last year at age 90, I know EXACTLY how medicare works. It works very, very well, with virtually no paperwork after the initial setup. My experience covered the time from simple doctor visits, through 911 calls a couple of times due to falls, through her final couple of months in a nursing home.

It is you that obviously has no experience with the system and is just talking the corporate line. There is a reason that Medicare has by far the highest satisfaction rating of ANY healthcare provision system, and that is that it work so well.

Medicare treats the most likely to be ill, and therefore is very expensive. There is no private insurance company that would include anybody in the age group that Medicare covers. If the younger and healthier population were included in the program and paid in even half of what the commercial insurance carriers currently charge, my guess is that we would see a DECREASE in the funding needed for those over 65 that commercial insurance carriers would reject for coverage.

For the general population we have THE most expensive and ineffective health system in the world. That is a fact. Pay more for less, and deal with an insurance industry that will screw you at every opportunity.

# 21 Low Reimbursement said, on January 8th, 2010 at 7:10 am

“Government managed healthcare:
a) Call the doctor of your choice to make an appointment.
…

It’s called Medicare”

Ha! Unless the doctor of your choice is one of many who don’t accept Medicare because it doesn’t even pay enough to cover many of their costs.

Great example champ.

# 22 tcc3 said, on January 8th, 2010 at 7:49 am

21 – you mean how insurance lets the patient see any doctor they want? As long as they get a referral, and as long as hes on the preapproved list, and as long as he doesn’t cost too much…

Way to call the kettle black, champ.

# 23 Mr. Fusion said, on January 8th, 2010 at 8:21 am

I see the right wing nuts still are in denial.

#6, Eric,

Plainly put, BULLSHIT!!!

A prescription is NOT a health record under HIPPA. An eyeglass prescription is no different than an antibiotic prescription. There is no need for it to be faxed. You are perfectly entitled to take the prescription to ANY eyeglass outlet you like, in any city. (Who pays for it though is between you and your insurance company)

Why you would insist on posting such blatant garbage is beyond me. It is, however, true to the right wing nut course of lies and fabrication.

# 24 chuck said, on January 8th, 2010 at 8:24 am

#7
You forgot:
d) hand over 20% of your income (over and above your current income tax) to pay for it all.

Medicare may work, but without massive increases in funding, it will be bankrupt.

Here in Canada the process is:
a) Call doctor and take whatever appointment is available. Maybe next week or next month.
b) Visit doctor.
c) Not much paperwork.
d) Prescriptions? Pay for them yourself.
e) Need hospital care? Ok, we’ll have that operation ready for you in 18 months.

# 25 chuck said, on January 8th, 2010 at 8:27 am

I almost forgot:
f) pay only $60/month/person for health-care “premiums”, then pay 20% income tax.
g) depend on the US for most military defense (thanks) and if you want to skip the waiting list for the hospital, drive to the nearest US hospital and hand over your VISA card.

# 26 qb said, on January 8th, 2010 at 8:53 am

#24 Chuck

Salut mon ami. I wasted about three hours last month fighting with Great West Life and SunLife over health claims. Sometimes it’s almost better to pay it yourself.

# 27 pedro said, on January 8th, 2010 at 9:52 am

#19 Man, you’re burning up in fever.

#23 said: “I see the right wing nuts still are in denial.”

No, is your detachment with reality that makes it look that way.

# 28 Wretched Gnu said, on January 8th, 2010 at 1:25 pm

Well, everybody knows the Airlines are highly regulated and, therefore, Socialist.

# 29 FRAGaLOT said, on January 8th, 2010 at 4:12 pm

wow that’s quite an eye opener, and I love how the man just sums up the insanity at the end there.

# 30 FRAGaLOT said, on January 8th, 2010 at 4:20 pm

You know what? I already get free healthcare at my local county hospital. I just got released from the ER today have having a bad infection.

I’ve been battling a fever for 4 days now, and I couldn’t stand the shaking, headaches, and my brain being slow-roasted at 102′deg.

The nurses, techs, and doctors fixed me up, handed me a prescription (which is also covered FREE), and sent me on my way in about 4 hours feeling a whole lot better. Waiting at the pharmacy was another 2 hours to get my script filled, but it wasn’t that bad.

And no I don’t live in Canada… California actually.

# 31 Lavi said, on January 8th, 2010 at 6:45 pm

If I were a BUM, I would get to fly for FREE on Air Healthcare…

# 32 deowll said, on January 8th, 2010 at 9:02 pm

#1 I’m not actually familiar with free market health care. According to my mother it used to work pretty well. The prices were reasonable and everything. They did away with it about the time I was born. Where did you see it?

# 33 rr said, on January 9th, 2010 at 12:57 pm

Chuck,
“e) Need hospital care? Ok, we’ll have that operation ready for you in 18 months.”

Source the statement. Median wait times for surgery are 4 weeks. There are no waiting times for emergency surgery.

Medicare is going bankrupt because people don’t want to pay for the commitments they make. Americans have chosen to pay whatever it costs to delay the death of the elderly, if those people so choose. However, Americans refuse to pay the cost for that decision in the form of higher taxes.

This is why the ignorant “tea bag” right is destroying the country. They demand an unlimited right to end of life care for the elderly without the commitment to pay for it.

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