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  1. GetSmart says:

    There’s no changing the minds of the stupid, ignorant and batshit insane. Which amounts to at least 70% of the planetary population.
    And a goodly portion of the remaining 30% are no great shakes, either.
    There’s the main problem.

  2. MikeN says:

    >Collective bargaining is either a right they all should have or none, not a political plum to be given to groups that endorsed your candidacy.

    Probably, but in reality that’s what’s happening. Walker didn’t want the police going on strike. Plus there is a bigger problem with the teachers unions, who are not covered by the budget cuts. Because of collective bargaining, the teachers unions are able to force school districts to use the health insurance carriers owned by the unions. The school districts could in theory save money by switching health insurance coverage, but the union leaders don’t want to lose that perk.

  3. MikeN says:

    We’ve already sen how the unions have an influence in Wisconsin. When news of the bill broke, the unions had the Democrats skip town, and they arranged for new contracts to be signed. Public schools signed a contract even before Walker took office. One union called an emergency meeting Friday night 3 days after Walker introduced the budget to sign a new contract.

    Democrats tried to do things through a lame duck session, pulling one of their guys out of jail to get the votes, but somehow failed at that. Perhaps it was because of the nefarious Koch Brothers.

  4. speedysk1 says:

    #80 For the record, I’m not a “teabagger”, but I stand by my comment. The reason someone works in the public sector vs the private is for the benefits and security. While that’s all fine and dandy, don’t then expect to be paid as much or more than the private sector. There was and should continue to be a disincentive for people to work in the public sector. Part of the problem these days is the public sector is becoming too large. In MN for example, the government is the largest employer in the state. This feeds a vicious cycle. In the real world people can’t demand that their boss to pay them more like the unions do. There are certainly jobs that are only going to be done by the public sector, but the benefits given to public employees is far far better than the private sector. And that’s the trade off.

  5. tcc3 says:

    So we should place the burden of shrinking the public sector on the workers by punishing them with substandard pay and benefits? Its their fault for being public employees after all? The vilification of hardworking people is astounding.

    There may be a conversation to be had about the size and role of government. That role is always changing to meet the needs of society. But lets not blame the people filling the current needs of government labor. Treating them badly doesn’t solve the issue you have with government.

  6. speedysk1 says:

    #87: I’m not vilifying public sector people on a personal level for working in the public sector. For the most part they all are hard working people, but public sector jobs and groups have no reason to be efficient or reduce costs like we do in the real world. When my budgets get cut you don’t see me picking in front of my bosses office. No, I tighten the boot straps and get to work. When government tries to do the same we are left with this fiasco like in WI. I’m also not suggesting public sector people should be paid minimum wage. My point is their benefits were designed to make up for the difference in wages. So, I’ll compromise, and if the public sector started running like the private sector, removed all unions and reduced the fat, then I have no problem paying them more. My point is you can’t have it both ways. Either you have the benefits of public sector work or higher wages. Pick one. If you don’t like what you get paid in the public sector quit and move on to something else. I don’t know why there is a sense of entitlement to specific jobs in this country. I bust my tail for what I have and more often than not the public sector just makes more and more demands for MY tax dollars. I have no problems paying for police, fire, etc type services through taxes, but now it’s gone way beyond that. Next we’ll be some communistic society where we’ll all have to sing kumbayah. What would the point of the private sector be if we continue to allow the public sector to grow?

  7. MikeN says:

    >So we should place the burden of shrinking the public sector on the workers

    Actually the unions are doing that on their own. Because they are insisting on high benefits, and got Democrats to leave town without a budget, there will now be more layoffs of the same public sector workers who they are supposed to be representing.

  8. gooddebate says:

    You mean money affects elections? Go figure.

  9. hmeyers says:

    Onions drove General Motors in the ground and the whole state of Michigan.

    Sounds like great fucking plan to me.

  10. RSweeney says:

    So Uncle Dave, you going to do a union chart too? How about one for trial lawyers?

  11. WOW WEE says:

    The political fog is getting thick. What happened to eqaulity and basics? Walker is just one of Kochs puppets. Thats the basic to explain the big companies and their republican political puppets to accomplish things like ” tax cuts for their companies and their incomes.” If the average Joe pays say a 10% tax on 30,000 a year income then the Kochs, Gm, Bank of America, etc. and the Ceo,s, company owners should be paying an eqaul 10% tax on all their property and income. Including bonuses. If this was happening like it should these budget problems wouldn’t be so severe, for starters. The greedy price gouging and hoarding of profits sucks the money out of the economy leaving it dry. The rich getting richer and the poor and middle class getting poorer. As for Obama who’s getting blamed for this economy is Bull ****. this was dropped in his lap from the bush Adm. and years of this corruptness being ignored and allowed. He’s just trying to clean up the mess. I dont think Donald Trump should run for president being a non people person that he is, but he’d be one hell of a financial advisor for the country. We should hire him. he has some great ideas about foriegn trade, building infrastructure here providing jobs, charging other countries for our services, I think Obama with trump advising and a democracy attitude we could get this country back on track and progress up to where we should be at this point in time. We’re getting caught up in all this “DRAMA” and rediculas debates. Like the Gay Marrige thing. Give them a “Union” license. Rename it instead of marrige. And have it that the same rules apply. Simple, Done! Just a thought to ponder. Seems like a fair compromise to me, no? The parties need to compromise as such for the benefit of the people, not the benefit of their puppet masters and political gain, brownie points, power, etc.

  12. Oh Yeah! says:

    Senator Bernie Sanders I from Vermont is the man! Watch some of his videos either at his web site or on you tube. He has it in a nutshell! GO Bernie!!!