I wonder what Al Gore would think about this.

The chief of the world’s leading physics lab at CERN in Geneva has prohibited scientists from drawing conclusions from a major experiment. The CLOUD (“Cosmics Leaving Outdoor Droplets”) experiment examines the role that energetic particles from deep space play in cloud formation. CLOUD uses CERN’s proton synchrotron to examine nucleation.

CERN Director General Rolf-Dieter Heuer told Welt Online that the scientists should refrain from drawing conclusions from the latest experiment. “I have asked the colleagues to present the results clearly, but not to interpret them,” reports veteran science editor Nigel Calder on his blog. Why?

Because, Heuer says, “That would go immediately into the highly political arena of the climate change debate. One has to make clear that cosmic radiation is only one of many parameters.”

The unusual “gagging order” could have been issued because the results of CLOUD are really, really boring, muses Calder. Or, it could be that the experiment invites a politically unacceptable hypothesis on climate.

  1. Skeptic says:

    There is a ray of hope after all.

  2. dcphill says:

    I remain skeptical. I believe that man (and other life) are but a speck on the chicken’s ass (Earth) and have no meaningful effect on how the earth functions.Our mass is infinitesamal compared to the mass of the earth.

  3. Drive By Poster says:

    Most of the news media was all to happy to mention that that initial study that found that the global temperature increases exceeded what was explained by increases in solar activity. (As “proof” about the effects of greenhouse gasses like carbon dioxide “causing” global warming.) This initial study was the foundational study originally used to push the idea of man caused global warming.

    What those same news media outlets always neglected to mention was that same study also showed that the global temperature DECREASED MORE THAT WHAT SOLAR ACTIVITY DECREASES WOULD ACCOUNT FOR. Which completely squashed the greenhouse gas explanation, which is why they don’t mention that part of the study.

    The science of this article is basically that “solar wind” has the effect of partially blocking cosmic rays. The stronger the “wind”, the fewer cosmic rays reach Earth. As the amount of cosmic rays directly affect cloud formation over low dust areas such as open ocean, the level of cosmic rays directly impacts how much solar radiation reaches the Earth’s surface. Fluffy white clouds bounce solar radiation back into space, as I recall.

    So, low solar wind means “high” cosmic ray levels which means lots of oceanic cloud formation which blocks more sunlight from reaching the Earth’ surface – causing lower global temperatures. And a strong solar wind indirectly causes low cloud formation by the same method, causing the planet to warm.

    So, yes, Virginia, Mr Sun does call the shots not only on weather, but by extension Global Climate, which is just weather over a long period of time.

    The only real reason that this guy is telling other scientists not to draw conclusions is because he knows that the evidence draws attention to the bullcrap logic behind green house gasses and global warming, and desperately wants both policy makers and the public ignorant of the lies regarding greenhouse gas such as carbon dioxide.

    We are in an “interglacial period”. That means that the Earth, by and large will heat up until the beginning of the next Ice Age. Genuine Science has no grounds to presume the global warming is caused by human activity – contribute perhaps, but certainly not the cause.

    By the way, every last global warming computer model is utterly worthless. None of them can “predict” the known past, so there’s neither sane nor rational reason to believe they can successfully predict the unknown future.

  4. Phydeau says:

    People who understand the scientific method don’t “believe in” AGW, nor do they “disbelieve in” it. Science is about constructing theories that most closely fit the physical evidence. As further physical evidence is gathered, the theories are altered. Human politics will always be a part of it but eventually the truth comes out, most of the time.

    Glenn E. said “There’s just no money in telling us that there’s nothing that can be done about the weather, the sun is strictly in charge of it.”

    That’s not true. If AGW is a fact then big energy companies will be pressured to spend lots of money reducing their pollution. If it’s not a fact, if humans have no significant effect on the environment, then they won’t have to. LOTS of money involved. You’re either naive or willfully ignorant.

  5. Skeptic says:

    Re: “You’re either naive or willfully ignorant.”

    I would say that about 80% of earth’s human population is willfully ignorant (through casual observation of worshipers of supernatural beings).

  6. Uncle Patso says:

    If the galactic cosmic rays (GCRs) are supposed to lead to cloud formation, lowering the temperature, why does the GCR chart seem to correlate to _higher_ temperatures on the temperature chart?

    So far this only seems to be adding to the noise in the debate.

  7. bobbo, are we Men of Science, or Devo? says:

    #20–Lyin’ Mike pulls one of his biggest: “People who were claiming the sun is a major factor were told they were wrong ….”//// Really?

    Keep your pants off the ground stumpy.

  8. MikeN says:

    Uncle Patso, The graph has a higher GCR with a down arrow.

  9. pedro says:

    #27 Do what you do, you were pwned in this topic. I suggest you sit this one out.

  10. dadeo says:

    Hmm, not to haarp, but I wonder if these cloud formation influencing cosmic rays can be stimulated on this end to cause storms, droughts and such?

    Note to self: work the word, “nucleation” into more daily conversations.

  11. So what says:

    #13 As long as its just a cough I can live with it.

  12. BigBoyBC says:

    So CLOUD basically demonstrates that climate change is not just the result of man, but that there are natural reasons for the change… Thus, it contradicts the highly political and potentially lucrative “Global Climate Change” agenda.

    I can understand the gag order, they don’t want their research to be labeled false, politically motivated, and paid for by big energy. They don’t want their scientist to be accused of being “deniers” and having their careers destroyed like so many other who didn’t tow the climate change agenda.

  13. soundwash says:

    What a discovery! -Cosmic Rays can effect climate..

    Who would have thought!?

    They gagged it because they know it’s true. -with a ton of prior research already in the field to back it up. How else to do you think rain making ion generators work? simplistically: an ion is charged particle.

    cosmic rays are a bunch of charged particles. (or perhaps, standing waves) forming a current.

    water molecules and vapor are charged as well. -hmm.. (-well, everything in the physical world has charge..)

    One common denominator: -electricity.

    What the CERN folks have “discovered” is part of the Electric Weather model which is part of plasma cosmology and the Electric Universe model. Which, has been around since the late 1800′s, with better understanding from the 1920′s forward..

    I’ve been rattling on about this stuff for 2-3yrs here on DU.

    Electric Weather: http://holoscience.com/news.php?article=9eq6g3aj

    A bunch of pictures of the day articles for the electric model of weather and climate here and on other planets: http://thunderbolts.info/tpod/00subjectx.htm#Weather

    Once you understand the model it becomes a simple matter to predict future climate and/or weather..and earth quakes too.

    -this is also how those clever folks at the Farmers Almanac keep such a good track record in predicting the climate for the coming year.. -they just keep an eye on the sun and whats happening in the solar system at large..

    remember kiddies, our solar system has been experiencing more energetic “cosmic rays” that past 15yrs or so.

    -it’s why all the planets have been either getting warmer or giving off more energy than they receive from the sun during the same time frame. (even Pluto)

    anyway, -go fourth and DO the research. :)


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