The Senate is going to vote on whether Congress will give this president—and every future president — the power to order the military to pick up and imprison without charge or trial civilians anywhere in the world. Even Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) raised his concerns about the NDAA detention provisions during last night’s Republican debate. The power is so broad that even U.S. citizens could be swept up by the military and the military could be used far from any battlefield, even within the United States itself.

The worldwide indefinite detention without charge or trial provision is in S. 1867, the National Defense Authorization Act bill, which will be on the Senate floor on Monday. The bill was drafted in secret by Sens. Carl Levin (D-Mich.) and John McCain (R-Ariz.) and passed in a closed-door committee meeting, without even a single hearing.


I can put this kid in jail too!



  1. NewFormatSux says:

    The source for this article, that is linked above, is the blog of the ACLU. Even many of the links within that appear to just go to other ACLU pages, so I have yet to see an original source description of the legislation. They do link to a PDF at whitehouse.gov when saying the WhiteHouse is threatening a veto. First part of the PDF,THe White House supports passage. Now, hos much weight should the reader give to the rest of the ACLU’s interpretation? The White House’s primary objections are what I said above, the military already has the authority as part of executive power, so they don’t see any reason to codify it. Also, they don’t like the idea of abandoning their fantasy notion of civilian trials for these people, so they object to the part that says military commissions only, and use the ACLU talking points to object, that it would lead to the military policing the streets.

    So the military are policing the streets comes from a provision that bans civilian trials for people in Guantanamo.

  2. Michael says:

    “‘Even’ Ron Paul”? You should look him up. He is the only serious candidate who wants to stop everything bad like this at once. Ron Paul is the only high-profile politician who takes the Constitution and civil liberties seriously.

  3. UncDon says:

    No doubt the US Supreme Court will rule that the Founding Fathers had never wanted “… the right to bear arms and kidnap people also …” as a philosophy, else they would’ve explicitly said so. If it ain’t in the Constitution, it ain’t legal.

  4. #54- bobbo, OCCUPY DVORAK: what if "we-all" number our own posts and post seriatim ourselves? says:

    99.99999% of what the government does is not in the Constitution. Its in Congressional and State Laws that only have to conform with the Constitution and even then only when someone brings a lawsuit to enforce such limitations.

    Just like what you see before us right now.

    ACLU interpretations are quite conservative. Only shills, dupes, and tools think otherwise. How casually so many are willing to forgo their liberty—and think Ron Paul is the answer to anything at the very same time.

  5. NewFormatSux says:

    >ACLU interpretations are quite conservative.

    The White House is threatening a veto is quite a conservative interpretation of The White House supports this bill.

  6. soundwash says:

    FRIGGIN MADNESS!

    -s

  7. Micromike says:

    It’s never too late to regain our freedom and constitutional protections. You know what we have to do and it isn’t pretty but neither is the alternative of doing nothing. Our children will wear chains and live in concentration camps.

    I don’t understand how this is profitable for anybody but maybe some historian can tell us who profited from the German concentration camps and the enslavement of all those people (not only jews). It is definitely a popular idea in America now.

    If you love freedom it is time to ask yourself what you are willing to do to get some.

  8. JimD says:

    I guess this makes questions about JURY NULLIFICATION pointless !!! Ben Franklin said about the Constitution: “We give you a Republic, if you can keep it !!!” Looks like we LOST IT !!!
    Who said: “For Evil to Triumph, it is only necessary for good men to do nothing!!!” ?

  9. Glenn E. says:

    Sounds like it’s mainly the Republicans who are in support of this thing. But not exclusively, naturally. And since we now trust everything the US Republicans want to do. Perhaps we should let them violate the US Bill of Rights. It’s obviously become a tool of the terrorists. If you’re wealthy enough, the military isn’t going to come after you. Just the other 99% of US citizen who step out of line.

  10. Glenn E. says:

    This is apparently one of those “future laws” the Congress get worried enough to set up now. Just in case the disenfranchised 99% of US citizen, ever got any ideas about taken care of those 1 percenters, who sucked up all the wealth in the country. And built themselves castles, with moats, and have ex-military guarding them. Nice touch to have the US taxpayer, footing the bill for having its military arrest and detain them for protesting anything. Not just something the states’ National Guard can be misused into doing. Like at Kent State. Welcome to the soon-to-be-1984 oppressive state. If our elected and wealthy puppet politicians have anything to do with it.

  11. Glenn E. says:

    Do these douchebag politicians really believe that far less than portion of the two million military personnel. Are going to somehow control the 300 million US citizens, when they finally get riled up enough to take after them of totally screwing the county over? They’re probably only a few thousand in the military who are elitist enough, to consider themselves a power unto themselves. And a few more dumb enough to obey them without question. That just leaves over a million and half plus, who are gonna realize they’re not gonna shoot mom and dad, for taking exception to whatever Senator or Congressman dumb-nuts, has done now. And may even join their folks.

    So the Pentagon and Congress is going to find that the reality of fending off the ticked off 300 million plus citizens, with a few thousand loyal military mercenaries, is not a working plan for the future. Just give it up, guys! You can never turn America into the next Roman Empire.

    • john c says:

      If i ever get my hands on john mccain he’ll wish he was back in the hanoi hilton.

  12. Rick says:

    This is just Phase III of the six part plan to eliminate the constitution.

    Remember when sheriff’s departments were training cops that anybody who talks about the constitution during a traffic stop is possibly a terrorist or white supremacist?

    So much for treasuring the words of our founding fathers.