Osama bin Laden was in routine contact with several senior figures from Pakistan’s military intelligence agency while in hiding in the country, according to a large cache of secret intelligence files.
The disclosure was contained in e-mails from the private US security firm, Stratfor, which were published by WikiLeaks website on Monday after being obtained by the Anonymous hacking group.
Stratfor provides analysis of world affairs to major corporations, military officials and government agencies and was once likened by an American business magazine to a “shadow CIA”.
According to one of the e-mails, the firm was shown the information papers collected from bin Laden’s Abbotabad compound after the US special forces attack last May that resulted in his death.
The e-mail, from a Stratfor analyst, suggested that up to 12 officials in Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) agency knew of the al-Qaeda leader’s safe house.
The internal email did not name the Pakistani officials involved but said the US could use the information as a bargaining chip in post raid negotiations with Islamabad.
American officials have always believed it was impossible for the ISI not to have known that Bin Laden was sheltering in a garrison town so close to Islamabad. Pakistan has repeatedly dismissed the charge.
See any plausable deniability?
There has NEVER been a secret about this. Its what makes our relationship with Pakistand: “complicated.”
YOU KNOW compllicated? Its when you don’t want to deal with reality.
You know bobbo I, and I suspect most mammalian life forms, have no idea what the words we think with words, and flower with ideas mean.
So please explain the meaning of flower with ideas…
He meant Flour
Thats a good one Pedro, and by coincidence I just made my own flour tortillas for the first time two days ago. So, I’d cop to that if it were true, but I’ve used that moniker modification for a year or two by now?
“We think with words, and flower with ideas.”
It goes to the power of self recognition and actualization all within the epistemology of psycholinguistics.
If you need or even just desire a more detailed explanation for what I take to be self evident, ask again.
But to do that you will have to type out something. That something is words. You choose your words based on what you are thinking. Not quite the right word to express what you are thinking? et Voila!
It’s a complicated geo-politcal question with many points to consider:
Supports terrorism – check
Leader has moustache and wears baldy fitted uniform – check
Mostly muslim country – check
Important strategic location, make good naval/air base – check
Actually has WMD – check
However this must be balanced against the fact that it has no economic oil reserves.
Never forget China and India. China doesn’t have a Pakastani border that India recognizes. China and Pakistan cooperate militarily. Chinese concerns are a large investor in a huge Pakistani port on the Arabian Sea that borders Iran. A highway is to be expanded that goes from the port through Pakistan to China. It will go through near Abbotabad. An oil pipeline may be included. With more U.S. troops stationed near Australia and Singapore, this route becomes more and more important. No need for oil to travel far from the Persian Gulf or a shorter distance from Africa. Look at a map.
And access to the extensive mineral wealth that Afghanistan and Pakistan have will be provided by this highway. A major Chinese concern is involved with both.
What surprises me is why it took so long to get the official word and evidence out in public. This is not exactly news to nearly every American. It’s just official confirmation of what we all knew all along.
But what’s troubling is why now? Quite frankly, it sounds like more saber rattling to invade Pakistan for when we go to Iran!
(It is 2012, you know…)
RTFA Anon. This was “leaked” by Wikileaks. Why must there always be a conspiracy and an ulterior motive?
Personally, I think we ought to go in, take out their nukes (I’m SURE we know where they are) and then withdraw all foreign aid. Within a year, they’ll be a suburb of Afghanistan.* Lord knows, without our support they don’t have the economic base to replace their nukes.
*I doubt even China would want them….
‘Take out their nukes’ ? Gee how efficient and simple! Then what? Celebration in the streets and unlimited supply of hummus for everyone!
How about we let sanctions take their toll before they build a nuke and then some more after they build their nukes!
Wtf are they gonna do with them? I know what- the same thing Pakistan, India, China, Russia, and who ever else has one – nothing
This just in – North Korea suspends nuclear program.
Obama the peacemaker! .. that’s for you!
Right! The fact that there’s a new guy in power in NK has nothing to do. Idiot!
Actually I believe Wikileaks deserves no more trust than any other source.
As long as there is an editor, documents are filtered and altered. Possibly in a very twisted way. WL is no exception.
Hell, they could be CIA and I would not care less about what they “leak”…
Also strictly speaking, wikileaks does not leak anything but relays documents leaked by corporations or governments with the efforts of whistleblowers. Often the documents were also leaked somewhere else but WL will never talk about other sources.
It’s a complicated relationship with nearly all foreign powers and allies – China, Russia, Israel, Saudi Arabia,..on and on. This is nothing new.
The key thing is Pres Obama knows the complicated nature of foreign policy to maintain peace, trade and security of our interests.
The hairball, hair trigger nature of the conservative loons in our government is the biggest danger we have as a nature.
I’ll take the direct approach with this ons: Idiot!
http://tinyurl.com/6vqzy4c
So you’d be ok with the catholic church if they get unionized?
Uhhh… you THINK?!
Dallas says:”Pres Obama knows the complicated nature of foreign policy…” and is willing to make any apologies necessary. Give it a break, Dal. Admit O’Bama is in over his head. He can’t control his own party let alone manage a nation in crisis. And I’m not coming at this as a conservative. I certainly don’t see any great brainiacs on the GOP side, either.
BTW, did you see where O’B asked all African-Americans to vote for him? When did that not become racist? What if Newt asked all whites to vote for him?
I would agree things are tough but I honestly would rather see a recovery take place than to have a hair trigger nuttjob on the GOP side. Have you heard these GOP loons? Wow.
As far as asking blacks vote for him, I have not heard it but I see that as a given. It’s a demographic. No different than Santorum telling sheepl that God picked him to run and all the God worshipers should vote for him and end up in a lake of fire.
I agree asking ‘bruthas’ to vote for him is over the top but I’m giving you the benefit of the doubt that is what he said.
Santorum is completely crazy. Ron Paul has never been a hair trigger. And yes, Obama’s statement is racist. He did say it.
Your recovery is an liberal illusion.
He’s just an idiot.
Both Santorum and Paul are playing their audiences like trained performers.
So did Obama.
And anyone that falls for it is just a poorly educated pleb.
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I agree Ron Paul is the most rational and not a hair trigger. An Obama/Ron Paul ticket would be nice.
Santorum is a Christian Taliban. He may was well wear a pope hat, white skirt and red shoes. Mitt is an out of touch with the public, rich business speculator.
The Teapublican lunatic fringe sheeple voted away the only smart guy – Huntsman! It’s unbelievable Teapublicans first have to appease the lunatic fringe and THEN go after the mainstream.
Animby,
Last I checked Obama was busy cleaning up the messes of his predecessors. Bin Laden and Ghaddafi are both dead, as are scores of top terrorists in a drone-bombing campaign that is so ironically hawkish as to make the Right look like wussies, and the GOP is trying to get traction with “he bowed to a Muslim” crap.
Ghadaffi was replaced by Al Qaeda. , Obama is a traitor to the Constitution, and Bill of Rights and black people are worse off for it.
You are an idiot. And you don’t even realize it.
The Constitution was flawed in the first place.
Anyone that supports it supports a house with a roof that was secured with thumb tacks and spit.
The flaws in it allow people to exploit it. So they are following the game book. It is the game book is bad for the citizens.
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huh? A roof that was secured with thumb tacks?
Wow, that’s about the dumbest damned thing I’ve ever read.
wikileaks data, -been turned into a
propaganda and agenda machine for both
the administration as well as “other side”
lately seems the bulk of the data that gets leaked is to validate past current and future actions of the administration.
-and as always, never a bad word is mentioned about that “golden child” -israel.
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Silly article meant to fool sheeple. He’s been dead for ~9 years.
Animby, in some kind of continuing Hate Jag against Dallas only one step above Pedro, says:
2/28/2012 at 9:50 am
Dallas says:”Pres Obama knows the complicated nature of foreign policy…” and is willing to make any apologies necessary. /// Ha, ha. Good one. Its called diplomacy. Leaders don’t go for it. All diplomacy is aimed at the idiot public==on all sides.
Give it a break, Dal. Admit O’Bama is in over his head. /// Gee–I’m standing at a fork in the road with about 15 directions to go. Over his head because he should be doing what?-that he isn’t? Over his head in anyway unique to any head of government in international affairs? Over his head because he has the broadest world vision/experience of any Prenedent since Nixon? Animby: How is the Big O over his head?
He can’t control his own party /// Once again, your evidence for this is what? And along the way, explain what control actually is and if having and exercising it is a net good or bad for what interests?
let alone manage a nation in crisis. /// Yea, verily. By “in crises” you mean not having all three branches “in control” of the Republicans or what? In crises, you do mean not yet having recoverd from the gutting and butchery of the Puke Bush/Cheney cabal?===Well, we agree there.
And I’m not coming at this as a conservative. /// Yes you are. Take a second look and merely read this very post of yours. My, my: “Oh, to see ourselves as others do.” But then, as stated, the conservative can’t deal with reality: its too complicated.
I certainly don’t see any great brainiacs on the GOP side, either. /// True enough but by comparison, and I’m not coming at this as a flaming lib, Big O is a brainiac to the meat puppets arrayed against him.
BTW, did you see where O’B asked all African-Americans to vote for him? /// Yep.
When did that not become racist? /// By definition==those being in the discriminated minority cannot be racists. So, what the Big O is doing is more correctly an example of PANDERING.
What if Newt asked all whites to vote for him? /// He’d still be the fat lying dishonest douchebag he has always been.
“I’m not a conservative?” /// Ha, ha. How do you conclude that Animby? When is the cognitive dissonance going to kick in? ……. and there’s not even anything wrong with being conservative ((like me)) its only when you CONFLATE that with voting Republican that brain inactivity is indicated.
Animby–are you for universal health coverage or not?
Soc Sec or not?
Public Health or not?
Regulation of the Banking industry or not?
Invasion of other countries as a first reaction or not?
……and yet you call yourself a ……what? Conservative or a confused Republican?
I guess we can wait for the book?
I worry about what will happen to Canada and Mexico when the NATFA is no longer worth the bits its flashed onto an LCD screen with because the middle partner, the U in USA is lying in between the other two … on fuckin’ life support.
If I hear anymore mewling about Repubes or Democraps I’m going to hurl.
The problems facing you are bigger than parties. WAKE THE FUCK UP!
The error of your ways is that, despite the evidence of hundreds of years of history, you keep on electing self-selected, self-anointed members of the millionaires club, people who have no understanding of what the lives of the citizens of this country are like.
That fits in with Einstein‘s definition of insanity: “Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.”
I’m outta here. I’m going back to Canada and fuck yez all!
I hope our new Canadian and Mexican overlords can do a better job of running the country.
Shocker!
I couldn’t be more surprised if you told me things fell down.
Of course the local government knew.
bobbo: “Animby, in some kind of continuing Hate Jag against Dallas” Oh, pish. I don’t hate Dallas. I think Dal has a good mind but too many comments are knee jerk prO’Bama.”
“Leaders don’t go for it.” So, call me a leader.
All diplomacy is aimed at the idiot public==on all sides.
“Over his head because he has the broadest world vision/experience of any Prenedent since Nixon?” You are soooo funny. Did you have help thinking that one up or did you hear it at open mike night? He has essentially no experience prior to the presidency. Vision? Yes, he has a vision but it’s of a country I wouldn’t care to live in.
“Once again, your evidence for this is what?”
Okay, the most recent one – When the Dems control the Senate and only 51 votes are needed to pass a budget, his own party refuses to even put forward the Pres’s budget.
“And along the way, explain what control actually is and if having and exercising it is a net good or bad for what interests?” Compare and Contrast Silly Demands from Bobbo with Unreasoning Statements from Alfie. Poop to you. I’m not in Civics class and you’re not my prof. I don’t have the time nor inclination to write thousand word essays because you demand them!
“In crises, you do mean not yet having recoverd from the gutting and butchery of the Puke Bush/Cheney cabal?” You really need to “parse” that statement. Or at least read it and think for a millisecond or two.
” ‘And I’m not coming at this as a conservative.’ /// Yes you are.” I really do not appreciate being called a liar.
“Big O is a brainiac to the meat puppets arrayed against him.” Moe was a brain compared to Curly. He was still a stooge.
“those being in the discriminated minority cannot be racists.” I hope you meant that cynically. I’d hate to see you get as closed minded as Pedro.
“more correctly an example of PANDERING.” Perhaps. Sounded like , we gotta beat off whitey, to me.
“He’d still be the fat lying dishonest douchebag he has always been.” Agreed. The main difference between him and O’B being the Pres is not fat.
“not even anything wrong with being conservative” I meant that only in the political party definition. I’m well past my leftists college days.
“are you for universal health coverage or not?” We have discussed this before so I’ll just assume the alcohol is finally affecting your memory. Yes but not O’BamaCare
“Soc Sec or not?” No. It’s a poor idea and should be phased out in favor of a more fiscally responsible retirement plan.
“Public Health or not?” Of course, not. I’m in favor of plagues and pestilence. What the hell kind of question is that?
“Regulation of the Banking industry or not?” Of course, I am. But I’m more in favor of enforcing the rules we have than in passing more.
“Invasion of other countries as a first reaction or not?” Are you now a sphinx posing riddles to passersby? If you’re going to ask questions, make them reasonable. The answer is a qualified “No.’ Nor do I think flushing the toilet before you poop is a good idea. Unless it’s needed.
“I guess we can wait for the book?” Wait, Bobbo, wait. See Bobbo wait?
When Obama screw up, I call him out on it. In fact, on this very topic, I suggested his comments were racists if in fact they occurred.
Other than that, his policies are sound. When his actions don’t follow his policies, it is because we do not live in a perfect world.
The Teapublican candidates, in order to appease their lunatic sheep, create some fictitious environment to state hairball positions that even THEY don’t agree with. The only guy left with any principles is Ron Paul.
Animby–I can see this would take more than one beer to fix.
Well, you are coming out of your shell a bit there. This forum is not place to hack thru the illusions.
I’m out of sorts this morning anyway. I’ve been avoiding watching the repetitive programing of “Current TV” but I’ve just gotten thru watching about 3 hours of Forest of Ecstasy, Blood Diamonds, Killers in China, Heroin addicts rehabbing in Thailand and so forth. While we all “know” the details of this stuff, video’s on point are still disturbing. We are all so lucky here in the West. Could be so much better, but “still.”
So much of what our lives are is beyond our control, then within certain perameters, so much totally within our control but untapped.
And so it goes.
I’m waiting for the Zombie Osama bin Laden movies. Oscar winning material for sure.
I think they have one like that in preproduction. It’s a sequel to the yet-to-be-released Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter.
It’ll be tilted Barack O’bama Zombie Hunter.
WOW, and all the time I thought they were only sending MSGs to the CIA…COOL..
“Osama bin Laden was routinely in touch with Pakistan spy agency” – and perhaps the CIA ??? He was on their payroll for a long time, the CIA should let us know when he was “terminated” from his SPOOK STATUS by the CIA Paymasters !!! And perhaps the CIA will tell us if the ISI is still a client !!!
Besides that, according to the FBI wanted posters he was not even wanted for the 9/11 attacks.
FBI:
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/usama-bin-laden
After he was “dead”, the FBI likes to make up stories also:
http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2011/may/binladen_050211/binladen_050211
They loved to show Saddam Hussain and Muammar el-Qaddafi over and over in the media. But the most wanted terrorist in the world and they just throw him into the ocean? No video, no pictures, no evidence, no nothing!
All this is at least a bit weird, isn’t it?
Everybody suspected it, but stratfor claims to know specifics. Of course we knew specifically where Iraq had its WMDs…. so.
This is why I’m leery of democracy for some populations. Anybody who votes for Santorum falls into the same category.