“It is a piece of legislation that was essentially supported by both political parties. Indeed the sponsors of the Bill are Carl Levin, a Democrat and John McCain, a Republican. There was no outcry within the systems of power itself, and that of course meant there was no outcry within the media, which allows those systems of power to set the parameters of debate.” Hedges added.

The controversial legislation, signed into law by Obama on New Years Eve, allows American citizens to be abducted and held in a detention camp anywhere in the world without trial under section 1031. Although Obama indicated in a signing statement attached to the bill that he would not use it to indefinitely detain American citizens, it was the Obama administration itself that requested the provision be worded so it would apply to US citizens.

I’ll sign this into law, but I promise I won’t use it. That’s how stupid your President thinks you are.

  1. Dallas says:

    Like to remind the concerned Teapublicans as to the many innocent children that will be protected – and majority of them are white!

    • Angelo says:

      Stupidity confirmed….next.

    • dusanmal says:

      Do note that people on the Right who pushed this through with fellow Left Progressives are one and the same who are contested by the Tea Party… McCain is Right Progressive. Anathema to the Tea Party.

      • none of the above says:

        The Tea Party is a Controlled Opposition front group of the Establishment you think you’re fighting.

        • same crap, different pogrom says:

          you got that right! the typical zioturd opposition takes over a wing or organization or a portion of a party and then steers it into the reeds, essentially looking legitimate and grass roots but always controlled by some jackbooted zionist consortium of scum and villainy that has fully infiltrated the government of the u.s.s.a. the Tea Baggers are just one facet of CORNHOLED OPPOSITION and co-opted ignorant dufus’ who are being used like the 19 arab patsies who pranced around on the mossad and CIA’s dimes for awhile before they all magically SURVIVED their suicide plane crashes on 9/11. time after time morons will just fall into line like the oh so gullible GOP idiots and the oh so ignorant and party aligned DINOCRATS who voted in Barry Soetoro for “Change You Can Abolutely See in any HITCHCOCK HORROR FILM”

          people want a miracle. listen folks, the only miracle is when you find you’re in a fucking FEMA CAMP scheduled for group execution if you won’t be prozac’d and re-educated to THEIR WAY OF THINKING.

          • TexVet says:

            it pisses me off to see my country being torn apart by all the crooks in washington, and Obama and his Chicago crooks are the worse, they are racist and dividers, both by race and class. I wish I was rich, I’m not but I am working hard and proud of the life I am able to give my family. I wish I wasn’t injured (mostly from Military duty) but I am, and I am proud of my service and I would do it again in a heartbeat if I had to do it over. but I mostly wish the socialist would move on, you don’t like this country, GET THE FUCK OUT! want to sneak over and give an excuse that you just want a better life, CLEAN UP YOUR COUNTRY, DON’T BREAK OUR LAWS AN DEMAND FREEDOM AFTER YOU CAME HERE AS A CRIMINAL, then you call the law abiding citizens criminals and racist because they don’t want you sucking off our tax dollor tit, YOU HAVEN’T PAID TAXES, YOUR ILLEGAL. I find it funny, if milliions of americans were to go to any other country and do what others do to ours, they would throw us in jail, kill us call us occupiers. but if we did the same, were called racist and bigots. but they don’t come here to be AMERICANS, I am of Irish / Cherokee descendant, but I am AMERICAN, not “euro-american”, “mexican-american”, african-american” I AM AMERICAN everyone else that calls this home SHOULD be proud of this country, should be on the side of AMERICA, NOT Democrate or Republican (they are all crooked, why do you think they refuse to vote for term limits?!) WAKE UP AMERICA, BEFORE THE OBAMA CROOKS KILL THIS COUNTRY AND DIVIDE US, REMEMER. A HOUSE DIVIDED WILL NOT STAND!!!

          • Rob says:

            Hey my brother. You are so right in your assessment, but I can suggest to you that you are not alone in this struggle.

            I would recommend that ALL vets and active/retired/disabled military and the same for law enforcement people who took and believe in their Oath, to join with the Oath Keepers at oathkeepers.org.

            And I would submit to you that the Old World Order is failing at every turn and in ever way, so have heart.

            A brother vet.

          • Phydeau says:

            It’s unfortunate the Oath Keepers weren’t standing watch when Dubya jacked up the surveillance state apparatus. They didn’t seem to mind it when a Republican was doing it.

            Gosh, it almost looks like they’re just a front group for a bunch of right wing wackos and/or racists who hate Obama and Democrats, and will use any excuse to trash them.

    • Dingbat says:

      You are an idiot….White kids protected by this bill? How about true Patriots going to prison for life for disagreeing with a corrupt government enslaving its own people you tool!

  2. Derek says:


  3. denacron says:

    Now you now why the slogan was “Yes we can”.

    • George says:

      And now you know why We the People are standing firm and strong together and saying, NO YOU WON’T! NOT ON OUR WATCH AND NOT WITH OUR COUNTRY!!

  4. Phydeau says:

    I’d like to think this would finally stop the wingnuts from calling Obama a left-wing socialist, but I doubt it.

    Here’s a hint, wingnuts: liberals don’t pass laws allowing the govt to detain Americans without trial.

    Remember when Republicans and Democrats favored the Constitution? Seems like so long ago.

    • jpfitz says:

      If 9/11 seems long ago, then I guess it’s an era gone by.

      The 9/11 attack was used as one big ass excuse to dismantle the Republic. And to conquer the resources of MENA.

    • dusanmal says:

      This IS Left Wing Socialism… This is wording as requested by Obama Administration. There is huge chasm between what Left claims it is and what Left Socialism IS. Only rivaling laws to this one could have been found behind the Iron Curtain. Remind yourself of what personal liberties people have had there? None. Left always wants laws allowing Government to detain and kill citizens at will. It is prerogative of Big Government. Liberalism/Progressivism/Socialism – are all the same on that question. Just the poor cattle deceived by the promised Utopia think that Liberalism can live with Constitution granting Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happines (to individual – Liberalism -> good of the Community is more important than rights of the individual).

      • Phydeau says:

        Wow, even more incoherent than usual, dusanmal. Comes from trying to defend the indefensible. Let me refresh your memory: It was your hero Dubya and his REPUBLICAN cronies who started this police state after 9-11. And it was you panicky wingnuts who begged to have your rights taken away. And when us liberals dared to protest the stripping away of our Constitutional rights, it was you wingnuts who called us terrorist-lovers, America-haters, and worse.

        So STFU, mmkay?

        • McCullough says:

          So honestly Phydeau what is your defense of BO now? Other than your left vs. right bullshit, what is your opinion of THIS President, right here and now? Because frankly, I do remember Liberals coming out when Bush was doing it, but when Obama escalated it, all I heard was the sound of crickets.

          • Phydeau says:

            McCullough, you have obviously mistaken me for an Obama supporter. I’m a liberal; he’s a middle-of-the-road Republican. I’ve listed his Republican policies several times before on this blog; let me know if you want to see them again. I suppose a defense of him would be that he’s giving away the store to the big corporations and instituting a police state slightly slower than an official Republican would. And he’s not so nasty on the social issues like gay marriage. And doesn’t seem to hate women like the official Republicans do. But otherwise, a huge disappointment.

            Although as bad as he is, he looks great compared to the Republicans currently running for president — those guys are downright scary!

          • Phydeau says:

            For your convenience, here’s what I’ve observed about Obama before on this blog:

            If you were kidnapped by aliens right before the 2008 presidential election and deposited back on earth today, you’d see a president who:

            1. Refused to prosecute obvious lawbreakers from the Bush administration — torturers and people who spy without warrants and much more.

            2. Refused to prosecute Wall Street criminals, despite lots of evidence that their illegal activities put us in this recession.

            3. Introduced a rehash of the 1994 Republican health care proposal, where millions of Americans are forced to buy medical insurance from private companies. The same kind of program that Republican Mitt Romney pushed thru in MA.

            4. Not only continued Bush’s spying programs, but claimed the right to assassinate any American anywhere in the world, without any due process — trial, jury, sentencing, none of that.

            5. Expressed an interest in cutting Social Security and Medicare.

            6. Hired Wall Street insiders as key aides in his administration.

            7. Started a couple more wars (Yemen, Libya) without Congressional approval.

            8. Continued the tax cuts for the rich.

            If you didn’t know the results of the election you’d assume that the Republican won, wouldn’t you?

            The Democratic party has taken over the “moderate” Republican position. The Republican party has gone over the edge into insanity. The Democrat will get elected in 2012, again, and continue his Republican policies, again.

          • Phydeau says:

            Yes, pedrito, for you to continue to believe that Obama is a socialist liberal commie atheist muslim takes some world-class reality avoidance. Good job. 🙂

        • MargaretBartley says:

          Un, no, it didn’t start with Bush after 9-11. The Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996 was introduced in the Senate on April 27, 1995, just 8 days after the Oklahoma City bombing. This bill was enormous, stripped US citizens of baisc consitituional rights, and had clearly been in the making for years, just waiting for an oportune (contrived?) time to be introduced. Clinton signed it immediately.

          Don’t forget that Ruby Ridge and Waco also happened in the clinton administration. He was clearly not reluctant to use unconstitutional forces against US citizens who were clearly not a serious danger to the community or the country.

          • Phydeau says:

            Just goes to show, people in power, Rs or Ds, have more in common with each other than they have with us rabble. 🙁

    • deowll says:

      Who, according to him, did Obama run with in college? The socialist/Marxist? Have any socialist/Marxist ever put anyone in prison without due process and left them to die?

  5. NewfornatSux says:

    Phydeau, Solshenitzyn begs to differ.

    For that matter, even in the US, the primary example of ‘fascism’ is the Wilson Administration.

    • msbpodcast says:

      This is a fascist republic/oligarchy, and there’s NOTHING WONG WITH THAT as long as its properly organized.

      Lets examine the three systems of economic organization:
• Free Enterprise, where capital goods are owned by private owners and controlled by private owners,
• Fascism, where capital goods are owned by private owners and controlled by the state,

      • Socialism, where capital goods are owned by the state and controlled by the state.

      Clearly, the economy is set up for the few % who own almost everything.
      To put in terms you can understand at a glance:
      180,000,000 poor Americans own/control as much wealth as
      …………400 rich Americans
      120,000,000 lower middle class Americans own/control as much wealth
      ………12,000 upper middle class americans.
      …60,000,000 middle class Americans own/control as much wealth as is left.

      These 3 systems are separate constructs from the four forms of government:

      • Anarchy (rule by no one,) (Examples of this are called Failed States)

      • Dictatorship or Monarchy (rule by one person,)
      • Oligarchy (rule by a few persons, like we currently have here,) We call it a Republic, a Constitutional Monarchy, a Confederation, a Confederation or a Federation.

      • Democracy (rule by the majority, aka “tyranny of the masses”) We call this doing things by Plebiscite. It quickly becomes unwieldy unless you have an intelligent and educated populace (not on this planet.)

      None of these socio-economic systems are mutually exclusive in the larger context of a political systems.

      In fact, it is necessary to combine the three because there are features of each which complement and fill in the blind spots in each.

      A successful country is one where the systems are successfully blended.

      An unsuccessful country is one where there is an unnecessary bias towards one or another.

      For example, that is why we have a unified power grid but each utility/corporation cooperates in maintaining the unified power grid while trying to minimize the costs, possibly to maximize their profitability.

      This cooperative feature is arrived at regardless of the economic system or political system.

      Our economic problems arise from a misunderstanding of what a politicians jobs were by our oligarchies (the people some, not all but merely some of us, held our noses and elected.)


      Repubes or democraps, our politicians are equipped with the morals of gutter cats.

      The problem with republics is the same as with monarchies. After a while, the noble intentions at the start are as dead as the noble individuals which founded the kingdom or the republic. (The methods of creation for either are equally bloody.)

      If we want a representative government, we’ll have to RE-create it. (There were no parties in 1776.)

      If we want smaller government, we’ll have to take out the incentives for its growth too.

      The error of (y)our ways is that, despite the evidence of hundreds of years of history, you keep on electing self-selected, self-anointed members of the millionaires club, people who have no understanding of what the lives of the citizens of this country are like.

      That fits in with Einstein‘s definition of insanity: “Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

      Lets examine how the situation has really devolved since the founding of this country.

      We’ve become a government
      • OF the thousandaires (the 99%, that would be me and thee,)
      • BY the millionaires (the 1%, that would be the extremely insular privileged overlords and bosses,)
      • FOR the billionaires (the 12,400 individuals identified by the IRS as the people who count (though they don’t really count as they hire some thousandaires to run machines to do that.)

      How is this different than the political situation that led to the founding of the United States?

      It ISN’T really.

      One system had privilege being a condition of one’s birth.

      The situation in the United States is the (cess)pool of nobles has expanded to people that the corporations like and are willing to fund.

      The first thing we do is change from an ELECTED to a SELECTED form of government.

      Pick names at random out an eligible citizen pool and they’re stuck with doing the job for one, and only one, four year term.

      There could/should/would be no such thing as a career in politics. (The only thing worse than getting stuck with somebody who didn’t want the job is getting stuck with some idiot who did, figuring it was going to lift him a few rungs up the social/economic ladder.)

      And don’t give me that bullshit about average citizens don’t know enough about politics.

      Average citizens know right from wrong and are likely to at least read a bill before they sign and pass it on.

      Average citizens know enough to be suspicious and not so venial and blinded by the lure of undeserved re-election.

      Eligibility requirements are:
      • were you born here or are you a naturalized citizen?
      • are you a permanent resident in a village, town or city within our borders?
      • are you above the age of 25?
      • are you healthy enough? (you don’t suffer from any clinical health issue(s) or mental impairment(s) which would prevent you from fulfilling your duties?)
      • have you NEVER served on the government before?
      • have you NEVER been found guilty of a violent crime?
      • have you NEVER been found to be clinically insane?

      Answer yes to all of these questions, you’re eligible for selection.

      Don’t want to be bothered?

      Go live elsewhere or STFU!

      That would get rid of all PACs, K Street lobbyists, a lot of graft, waste and expense that WE’RE all paying for.

      • geez..get a blog

      • Cursor_ says:

        “That fits in with Einstein‘s definition of insanity: “Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.”

        He never said it.

        But thanks for playing.


  6. msbpodcast says:

    the sponsors of the Bill are Carl Levin, a Democrat and John McCain, a Republican.

    There’s your problem right there.

    That sent up an immediate red flag that somebody was lubing up my butt for a big First Amendment plug.

  7. scandihoovian says:

    The “<—- I'm with American" T-shirt sales have been skyrocketing recently. The bi-partisan version of the shirt is the best imo.

  8. Lou says:

    A gift to the sheeple of the USA from Obummer.

  9. JohnnyBGoode says:

    Sigh. Another Republican vs Democrat battle in a forum.

    Stupid hoomans.

    • Phydeau says:

      Doesn’t look like it to me. Looks like a bunch of wingnuts still trying to pretend Obama is liberal, and a couple liberals saying no, he isn’t. 🙂

      • JohnnyBGoode says:

        Does it matter? We’re getting screwed by both parties. Those who think it makes a damn bit of difference if ROmney takes his place are delusional. More of the same shit.

  10. One Love says:

    When are you guys going to wake up and realize it is BOTH sides screwing us over? This illusion of two teams just serves to keep us fighting amung ourselves while they do as they please. This is a concerted effoet, and it is working. The best thing you could all do, is put your differences aside and work together to change things before it is too late.

    • Phydeau says:

      I agree, there aren’t two teams any more, the D’s and the R’s seem mostly the same except for social issues.

      • JohnnyBGoode says:

        +1 and +1

      • jpfitz says:

        The D’s current president appearing folksy claiming to help the downtrodden while our amendments get digested by the House and Senate should have people up in arms.

        The R’s best foot foward was somewhat decided by the first political reality program.
        To top this all off… Magical Undergarments.

        Which party is not making you laugh.

    • MargaretBartley says:

      They are playing Good Cop – Bad Cop, and the social divide is to get people to decide which is the Good and which is the Bad. I’m covinced that’s why every spring time in the Presidential election years, the Dems decide to start up the Gay Marriage issue. It’s about the only thing that will incite right-wingers to get out and vote.

      Most of them figured out a long time ago that the Republicans are just corporate whore-mongers. The only thing that will get them to vote is to convince them that the Dems are the Anti-Christ, which is worse than corporate whore-mongering.

  11. jpfitz says:

    “Republican senator Rand Paul said: “If you allow the government the unlimited power to detain citizens without a jury trial, you are exposing yourself to the whim of those in power. That is a dangerous game.”

    Paul, as mentioned, was one of only three Republican senators to vote against the bill. The other warmongering, police statist Senate Republicans are typified by Lindsey Graham, who stated: “It is not unfair to make an American citizen account for the fact that they decided to help Al Qaeda to kill us all and hold them as long as it takes to find intelligence about what may be coming next. And when they say, ‘I want my lawyer,’ you tell them, ‘Shut up. You don’t get a lawyer.’”


    The repubs are to blame for this unabashed Stasi police state NDAA.

  12. Peppeddu says:

    It’s amazing to see how much this guy has changed.
    Four years ago he was one of the biggest promise in American politics, and now he’s playing dictator while making sweet talks.

    Even on his YouTube channel comments has to be approved.

  13. DB says:

    You know, it doesn’t matter who started it. They’ll use those unconstitutional “laws” on all of us without regard as to if we are liberal or conservative. We’ll all be neighbors at the FEMA camp.

  14. Patriot4hire says:

    It pains me to see that the majority still believe in the shell game of electing politicians. The whole left vs right is wearing thin. When will America wake up and realize that there is no difference republicans and democrats are cut from the same filthy rag. No longer is about the people. We do not matter to them we are the sheep and they are our masters. Untill we as Americans wake up and realize that there is no left or right we are doomed to fail as a free society. United we stand divided we fall there is more truth to that statement then we know. So as long as America refuses to wake and get angry at the BS that continues plauge our society we will be the sheep our masters love.

    • People here incapable of living free because they love to be bullshitted and lied to says:

      unfortunately the average dufus in the country has no clue that the entire thing is a huge charade and a massive kabuki theatre gig without any reality or basis in reality of any kind.

      as for ‘doomed’ that was a long time ago, back when idiots in this country actually started to fall back into I.Q.’s in the lower two digit numbers and began to whip pills down and believe every part of the system from the witch doctors doing the fake health care, to the government agencies mandating you drink a derivative of PLUTONIUM PRODUCTION FOR BOMBS in your drinking water as a cavity prevention method. the only cavity that could have been prevented was the one between the ear holes maybe, had people found out where fluoride actually came from…but they stupidly trusted their pathologically sociopathic and murderous leaders not to poison them all with vaccines and radioactive waste from bomb production.

      time after time the sheeple just let them herd them to their caskets early. or fleece them first and then needle gun them between the eyes with fake medicine disguised expensively as a CURE.

      people get what they deserve. they’re gullible enough to believe that for more than 49 years their government has been legitimate, which it has not, then they’re gullible enough to get totally fleeced and then summarily marched off to camps. people are that stupid.

      when you hear the next foray of ‘Lee Greenwood’s “PROUD TO BE AN AMERIKAN” and see the flags come out in the next false flag run by Israel’s mossad with traitors here, you know it’s time for the curtain call for the very very sad case of the American Dream, that as George Carlin put it; “YOU HAVE TO BE ASLEEP TO BELIEVE IT..”

      he was right.

  15. Glenn E. says:

    I can’t help but wonder that if John McCain had become president. We’d still have this NDAA, and maybe it would be Obama suing his administration to repeal it. Since it doesn’t make much sense, which party is for it, and which is against it. If their roles were reversed, I’ll wager thinks would still be just as bad.

    And BTW, what usually happens is that. Once presidential administration signs something heinous into law. And then the next presidential administration takes full advantage of it. So you might want to start wonder, to what use president Romney, will put the NDAA to, that he never swore he wouldn’t?

    • Glenn E. says:

      Oops. sorry. I misread the piece. I thought it was saying that McCain and Levin were involved in some legislation in opposition to the NDAA. And behind the suit. When in fact they were in favor of NDAA, and helped write it. Then Obama gave his seal of approval of it, like a nice obedient puppet working for the MIC, should.

      Something I observed from the clip. First, this is Russian Television News. Pretty ironic that the only source of an outcry against the NDAA, comes from a Russian Tv News channel, operating in the US. But then, it IS being allowed to operate in the US, isn’t it? Wouldn’t you think they’d be cut off or jammed, if the US government really didn’t want you to hear this?

      Second, both the host and guest are standing. And there are no chairs in sight. Not even anywhere close by. Of course they’re probably brought in during the off camera breaks. But this is the first time I’ve seen a standing Tv interview. What’s the psychology here? Also the news desk is crystal clear glass. You can see straight thru it. Not even a built-in data monitor. Nor a keyboard, or laptop on the desk. Just a few sheets of paper. Is this to imply that everything on this show is transparent and honest? That there’s nothing to hide, or being hidden? And maybe they’re standing, because it’s their way of saying is a, “they’re standing up for they believe in” demonstration. Not sitting down, or being too comfortable, because it’s just another piece of news to report.

      Do you think we’ll ever see American Tv news anchors standing up, behind a clear glass set piece, without a computer or prompter in sight? In a way, RT’s style is kind of interesting. But again, maybe we’re being allowed to notice this difference.

  16. Glenn E. says:

    Also, BTW. Of all the legislation that the US Supreme Court could or should be looking into as being unconstitutional, the NDAA isn’t it?! But instead they’re more concerned about the health care bill. Because, unlike Foreign aid, wars protecting oil pipelines, and the manned space program. We shouldn’t be forced to finance something with tax dollars, that’s for the good of all. Just because it MIGHT prevent a plague or stop AIDS. No let’s keep nation health care random and slipshod. While guys like Dick Cheney, gets a new heart at age 71, on the public’s dime.

  17. Anonymous says:

    Now what happens if we get another Geroge W. Bush? Any of you political party pinheads think of that?! Obama isn’t going to be there forever. Sooner or later there will be another President from another party who will USE this power. Even if Obama doesn’t, SOMEONE WILL!

    You can call me whatever name you like if disagree with my political opinions. But when the power hungry political leaders are given (more like take) more power there is REAL reason to be concerned.

    • jpfitz says:

      You’re frightening me… Another oil connected southern governor as president. Nooo!

    • Glenn E. says:

      Yes. That what I basically said, earlier. Though I may have not worded it as clearly as I wished to. One president gets these things passed. And then another, a term or so later, takes it the next step and screws us over, with an “old” law, some previous admin had Ok’d (but vowed not to abuse). Like these puppets in the White House, don’t all have the same puppeteer holding their strings.

  18. Rick says:

    The sad irony of having to watch Russia Today to get unbiased journalism on American news.

  19. kayfabian says:

    what happens when the majority of you catch up to your tail? Smh… Liberal vs. Conservative, haha! Levin/McCain sponsored ndaa and biden wrote the gestapo act back in 1995-1996. Nazi jr. Leapt at the ability to enact it following the false flag attack on the towers. A long time ago there was a political party dubbed ‘Democratic-Republican’ – one could see the simplicity here. Sun tzu anyone? Divide and conquer? There is not a division between the ‘two’ parties present day. Just for show. Remember, in this corporation it was founded as a REPUBLIC and ‘your vote counts.’

  20. Kevin says:

    I pledge allegiance to the Constitution of the united States of America…

    Notice the word “united” is not capitalized. That is intentional and not a mistake.

    Obama is a puppet. Bush(s) was a puppet. Clinton was a puppet. Reagan was a puppet. Carter..puppet.

    We NEED to be focusing on the darned puppet masters. Look at the board of directors of major international banks and corporations. Look in our political think tanks.

    They have enjoyed operating in the dark for so long.

    Keep in mind what happens when you back a rat into a corner though.


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