7 WAYS Talackova

Nice huh?

Too bad she used to be a guy. What’s disturbing about this to me is the straighter you are the harder it is to reconcile this. She proves that there are times when “male or female” can not fully describe a person’s gender.

TORONTO – A transgender beauty queen who was ousted from the Miss Universe Canada pageant will get to compete after all — so long as she can prove she’s a she.

Jenna Talackova, 23, will be allowed to strut the Miss Universe Canada stage with the other 60 finalists, the pageant owned by mogul Donald Trump has decided.

“The Miss Universe organization will allow Jenna Talackova to compete in the 2012 Miss Universe Canada pageant provided she meets the legal gender recognition requirements of Canada, and the standards established by other international competitions,” reads a statement by Trump headquarters in New York City.

Talackova said she had final gender reassignment surgery four years ago and is a full-fledged woman.



  1. Mac Guy says:

    Pics, or it didn’t happen.

  2. msbpodcast says:

    Yeah I’d tap his ass (but then I’m not choosy. 🙂

    That’s Trump’s newest Canadian dick-throb.

  3. NewfornatSux says:

    Should be called mutilation, and the doctor should be stripped of his license.

      • dusanmal says:

        Just imagine doctor from whom patient asks to have his eyes and nose removed, and he does it… Should that doctor be sent to jail or at least have his license removed? Chopping body parts because of patient mental issues should never be acceptable.

        • jeffyjones says:

          You’re a fucking moron. No one chooses to be transgendered.

          • Brian says:

            no, you’re the moron. simply going by the laws of nature, anything in the LGBT spectrum is unnatural, and in such a way that (naturally) if it were a genetic expression of some deficient gene, it would be eradicated in a single generation.
            male+male=no offspring
            female+female=no offspring
            (dare I say that human+non-human=no offspring, because that’s definitely where the LGBT movement is headed)
            bisexual is just an inability to control sexual desires resulting in wanting to screw anything that moves.
            no direct procreation, no genetic inheritance of a recessive gene.

            survival of the fittest, and the above pairs would prove that they’re unfit to survive. thanks to modern science and the tolerance movement, though…..

            but this is all academic, because I don’t believe there’s anything genetic about homosexuality.

          • So what says:

            Brian your grasp of genetics is exceeded by your innate stupidity. You would flunk basic biology at a deep south bible belt high school.

        • Eyes & nose != dick & nuts. In your world, do you jail doctors that do nose jobs?

  4. bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

    Seems to me “the test” should be genetic with a requirement for xx chromosomes? Merely changing the outward appearance doesn’t seem enough to me===although this is a Beauty Pageant and not the Olympics or sporting event.

    Did read a heart breaking article on a male who wanted a sex change to female so s/he could be a lesbian. Years earlier–that had been a joke regarding who Phil Donahue had for guests.

    Time marches on.

    Tried to find out what “legal gender recognition requirements of Canada” were but its too much trouble. Did find hints though that transgender is different than transsexual. No time for that either.

    Ahhhhh, Beauty. I’ll drink to that.

    • dusanmal says:

      Actually, true test is if there is Y chromosome present. many abnormalities include multiple mixes of X and Y. However, presence of Y chromosome is requirement to scientifically be a male.
      Yes, we should stop with all these legal excuses for mental illness. For legal purposes there should be one and only one definition: male – has Y chromosome, female – does not have Y chromosome. No confusion possible. Second step – recognize LGBT true nature as a benign genetic mental disorder. As such they must not be discriminated in any way, shape or form (as any other disability). Also, their truly benign social choices must not be discriminated against (how they dress or whom they date is their rightful choice). However, no false gender pretense for any legal purpose (if they feel male or female, fine – it is their personal feeling no one can change but feelings do not count for a legal purpose) and no legal mutilation for any (including this) purpose.

  5. This is a publicity stunt listen to No AGenda APril 5 show for details.

  6. spsffan says:

    I’d hit it…….with a rolled up newspaper.

    I can understand that some folks feel trapped in the opposite gender body and feel strongly enough and have the resources to pay for the change*. But I kind of draw the line at representing your country in a one sex only pageant afterwards.

    Oh, and while I’m at it, you shouldn’t be cast on “Dancing with the Stars” unless, you are, in fact, a star. Cher is a star (she won an academy award). Chastity isn’t. Most of the people on that show aren’t.

    * Funny how people come up with the money (must be tens of thousands of dollars) to pay for sex change operations. This (guy? chick? thing?) was apparently 19 when the operation was done. What do poor people trapped in the wrong body do?

    • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

      …..become alcoholics, drug abusers, or worse: whiners.

      Now–if we had single payer healthcare with universal benefits as I know we will someday/eventually–I would not like the government to pay for sex reassignment surgery. If every other health care need is being met==then such money for this surgery could be spent on building a space elevator.

      “Basic” health care. Not even what everbody actually “needs.”

      Death panel to follow as cost overruns on the nano-carbon cable to space increases.

      • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

        As a coincidence, space elevator is already behind schedule ((good website, check the side bar))

        http://io9.com/5888059/why-japan-probably-wont-have-a-space-elevator-by-2050?tag=debunkery

      • Brian says:

        bobbo, you just described exactly the reason that birth control and abortion should not be covered under health care. Congratulations. Welcome to Conservatism. Take your shoes off and stay a while.

        • Brian says:

          sorry. that should be “…should not be covered under government-sponsored/supported health care.” coverage under a private health care plan that you get as a benefit from employment is absolutely okay. It’s just not okay to dump the burden of idiots that want to screw like rabbits on the backs of the taxpayers.

          • Skeptic says:

            Brian, really? I mean, are you for real, or are you just baiting the hook? Okay, I’ll have a nibble… either you are super ignorant, or you are having a good laugh posing as an idiot.

        • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

          skeptic–I’ll second that. Too bad he didn’t come back.

          But—Yes. Bobbo is a social liberal and a fiscal conservative that is willing to DRAW LINES on the limits of what a society ((that CAN afford it)) owes its citizens.

          I believe that is BASIC health care coverage. I don’t think sex reassignment surgery is basic. Other things, but not basic.

          • Brian says:

            oh look: an internet argument where one side espouses a view and provides no logical or material proof of their argument. how cute.

          • Skeptic says:

            Brian, you have easily covered “my” side of the argument. You think murder is acceptable solution for stupidity… where your hypothetical husband is so stupid he marries someone he knows essentially nothing about, and the “wife” is so stupid as to enter a marriage without being up front about her sex change.

            Try reading something up to date (2010 vs your 1957 opinion) on the genetics front. You may be enlightened, but I’m not betting on it.
            “The fetal brain develops during the intrauterine period in the male direction through a direct action of testosterone on the developing nerve cells, or in the female direction through the absence of this hormone surge. In this way, our gender identity (the conviction of belonging to the male or female gender) and sexual orientation are programmed or organized into our brain structures when we are still in the womb.”
            http://content.karger.com/ProdukteDB/produkte.asp?doi=10.1159/000262525

            “In July 2010 a group of geneticists at the Korea Advanced Institute of Science an Technology altered the sexual preferences of female mice by removing a single gene linked to reproductive behavior. Without the gene, the mice exhibited masculine sexual behavior and attraction toward urine of other female mice. Those mice who retained the gene fucose mutarotase (FucM) were attracted to male mice.”

            http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2912782/?tool=pmcentrez

            But even using plain old common sense it is obvious that there is genetics at play with most homosexuals. have a look at the physical traits recorded in scientific studies to date, which I have borrowed from Wikipedia… all cited with published papers.

            Gay men report, on an average, slightly longer and thicker penises than non-gay men.[50]
            Gay men and straight women have, on average, equally proportioned brain hemispheres. Lesbian women and straight men have, on average, slightly larger right brain hemispheres.[51]
            The VIP SCN nucleus of the hypothalamus is larger in men than in women, and larger in gay men than in heterosexual men.[52]
            The average size of the INAH-3 in the brains of gay men is approximately the same size as INAH 3 in women, which is significantly smaller, and the cells more densely packed, than in heterosexual men’s brains.[31]
            The anterior commissure is larger in women than men and was reported to be larger in gay men than in non-gay men,[30] but a subsequent study found no such difference.[53]
            Gay men’s brains respond differently to fluoxetine, a selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor.[54]
            The functioning of the inner ear and the central auditory system in lesbians and bisexual women are more like the functional properties found in men than in non-gay women (the researchers argued this finding was consistent with the prenatal hormonal theory of sexual orientation).[55]
            The suprachiasmatic nucleus was found by Swaab and Hopffman to be larger in gay men than in non-gay men,[56] the suprachiasmatic nucleus is also known to be larger in men than in women.[57]
            The startle response (eyeblink following a loud sound) is similarly masculinized in lesbians and bisexual women.[58]
            Gay and non-gay people’s brains respond differently to two putative sex pheromones (AND, found in male armpit secretions, and EST, found in female urine).[27][59][60]
            The amygdala, a region of the brain, is more active in gay men than non-gay men when exposed to sexually arousing material.[61]
            Finger length ratios between the index and ring fingers may be different between non-gay and lesbian women.[55][62][63][64][65][66]
            Gay men and lesbians are significantly more likely to be left-handed or ambidextrous than non-gay men and women;[67][68][69] Simon LeVay argues that because “[h]and preference is observable before birth[70]… [t]he observation of increased non-right-handness in gay people is therefore consistent with the idea that sexual orientation is influenced by prenatal processes,” perhaps heredity.[31]
            A study of 50 gay men found 23% had counterclockwise hair whirl, as opposed to 8% in the general population. This may correlate with left-handedness.[71]
            Gay men have increased ridge density in the fingerprints on their left thumbs and pinkies.[71]
            Length of limbs and hands of gay men is smaller compared to height than the general population, but only among white men.[71]

            If these obvious physical traits don’t doesn’t you that there is a genetic connection (and that it’s only a matter of time to find the genetic markers), then I suggest you have your DNA tested for the ‘stupid’ gene.

          • Skeptic says:

            In case you can’t figure out the typo…

            If these obvious physical traits don’t convince you that there is a genetic connection (and that it’s only a matter of time to find the genetic markers), then I suggest you have your DNA tested for the ‘stupid’ gene.

  7. scandihoovian says:

    I wonder if her undercarriage has resemblance to the High Five Interchange.

  8. BigBoyBC says:

    I still think the whole controversy was manufactured by Trump to boost ratings for the pageant.

    • jpfitz says:

      Bingo.

      And only drunk would I be with him/her, real drunk.
      I don’t get drunk anymore, so no. Need more than a couple of beers.

  9. Brian says:

    If such a monstrosity existed, and it attempted to enter into a relationship (especially a sexual one) with another man, I believe it would be perfectly acceptable grounds for a justifiable homicide on the part of that other, deceived man.

    • Phydeau says:

      Thanks for supplying the hateful right-wing perspective on this, Brian. But you’re lucky that it’s not ok to kill despicable people who are a waste of resources, because you’d be near the top of the list.

      Jesus loves you, the rest of us think you’re a piece of shit.

      • Brian says:

        Man, you’re the one with the apparent uncontrolled violent tendencies. You need to seek help.
        What I described was a perfectly valid response to a horrible (awful, sick, depraved) deliberate deception. And make no mistake about it: such a deception would be a form of rape. Do you consider rape to be acceptable grounds for justifiable homicide? I sure do.

        • Phydeau says:

          Really, Brian? Killing someone for misrepresenting themselves in a dating situation?

          Speaking of uncontrolled violent tendencies.

          I certainly hope you’re not one of those self-hating closet cases, that would be sad.

          • Brian says:

            From your reply to pedro above, I’m going to assume that you are a tranny of some sort, and my statements scare you because of the thought of someone killing you because you deceived them. Good.

    • Grey Bird says:

      So, by your logic, any woman who enters into a dating relationship with a man where he represents himself as a caring individual interested in a long-term relationship and then dumps her as soon as they have sex is justified in killing him. Doesn’t seem right to me…

      • jpfitz says:

        Replying to Brian, I haven’t read such hate on this blog till I read the Shit you spouted. You must be a joy to be around. Personality plus. Mr super homophobic.

  10. birddog says:

    Things that make you go hum.

  11. Dennis says:

    It all works the way it should? She looks attractive. Hmm, yeah, I would definitely spend some time with her. ‘The skin I live in….”

  12. The0ne says:

    That’s a guy lol, old news.

  13. Honestly says:

    Yes. And I’m all dude.

  14. Comanche says:

    Hey baby.

  15. Rick says:

    I’ll keep it simple. Most of the hateful people commenting are ignorant assholes.

    I have a transgender kid. I’ve watched and, while I promise I don’t understand it one bit, it’s not some perverted psychological disease or condition. My kid hasn’t really changed much except that he figured out how to walk around the world “identifying” in a shape that made him happier.

    It is like saying you KNOW and believe that rocks don’t float…and then you see one do it. That’s what it has been like. We are talking about people and real life here, so can we all please stop with the hateful “conceptual” crap?

    Until you know first hand, will you all please shut the hell up and stop with your grand (and hateful) opinions?

    Or, just keep being dicks to people you feel lucky not to know.

    • Sea Lawyer says:

      it’s not some … psychological disease or condition

      Then what would you call a person who is born with a penis but wants to have a vagina so badly that he has it removed?

      Your story is really interesting, but not wanting to hurt people’s feelings is not a compelling reason to not address these things for what they are… developmental defects. It reminds me about how we tiptoe around people with Down’s Syndrome as if it’s perfectly normal that some people are just born with an additional chromosome.

      • So what says:

        Then what would you call a person who is born with a penis but wants to have a vagina?

        A guy.

  16. Keith says:

    Please do not feed the troll.

  17. Guyver says:

    I don’t care what they had to mutilate to give the illusion that this individual is female. If you have a y-chromosome, then you are a man. PERIOD.

  18. Yaknow says:

    The best case of fraud I have seen in a long time.

    I love it, “gender reassignment surgery.” That sounds so sterile. Yep, I just reappointed my genitals through gender reassignment, ya wanta go underwear shopping?

    I wonder what psychological and emotional triggers are hit when Talackova uses a dilo?

  19. Rick says:

    Guyver, I believe the distinction is between what you “are” and what you “do”…yes, we call XY male and XX female…no debate there…so what?…In this great libertarian-ish blog, I’m shocked so many people are so angry that this person who was raised male and grew up to want to be taken as a female person is doing what SHE wants to do.

    As I said, I don’t understand it one bit…but why so threatened by it?

    Yeah, nice move…”don’t feed the troll”…it must be nice not to have to deal with such things…especially after the rocks are thrown through windows that are not yours.

    • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

      dusanmal says:
      4/6/2012 at 12:37 pm

      …… Second step – recognize LGBT true nature as a benign genetic mental disorder. As such they must not be discriminated in any way, shape or form (as any other disability). //// Ha, ha===dismal–I was almost going to give you an attaboy for your informed opinion about the genetic basis for cultural male/female until you wrote the foregoing.

      Life is a continuum–there is nothing “disordered” about someone born somewhere else on the curve from you and me. In American Indian culture they were honored as being special. Yes–treated their women like chattel slaves but the trangendered and inbetweeners got a special status.

      People are funny. Always wanting to hang labels on people other than: People.

      The dark side is deep within us.

    • Guyver says:

      I am neither angry nor do I feel threatened by it.

      This individual has already participated in a transgender pageant. Why is there a NEED to participate in a female pageant? Is it to force society to accept this person’s lifestyle or what they claim to be something they were mismatched with at birth?

      I see no point where people want to impose their uniqueness onto others or forcing an organization to blur the lines of a female beauty pageant as necessary.

  20. Rick says:

    …and, should we even discuss “would you hit this” as a really, insanely sexist way of speaking about women? I’m not actually that sensitive to linguistic crap like this (“fuck” from Germanic “fricken” meaning to strike…I get it…I’m not a moron)…but, really?

    All that macho crap about “tapping that” and “hitting that” is just latent insecurity and objectification I’d not expect to see on a site that is supposed to be filled with educated and thoughtful people.

    • So what says:

      So gay.

    • hallelujah says:

      i agree with you rick. dvorak really need s to be more hands on with his blog instead of letting the same ol same ol keep running it down. he really needs to block the trolls like dallas and bobo, liberal left wing nut jobs that they are.

      • jpfitz says:

        So let the right wing nuts take over? It takes all kind to make for an interesting blog.

  21. Yaknow says:

    Talackova being a blonde thinks a strap-on is a prothesis.

  22. Trump is probably in a major quagmire, “should I…?” “Do I ignore the dangling participle?” Also, “what if she/he wants to pitch?”

    /The swimsuit event will be awkward. We had a sister here at the convent we suspected was a man, she just ended up being big boned and fugly.

    • Dallas says:

      I had a big boned nun for elementary school when I attended Catholic school in Massachussetts. I always wondered why she seemed unusually big. It all makes sense now.

  23. Yaknow says:

    when I go in and buy a iphone I don’t want a reconditioned Blackberry looking like an iphone. I want the real thing. I don’t want a reconditioned vagina, I don’t want a man reconditioned as a woman. I don’t want a man who has had his penis surgically “reformed” i.e. mutilated into something that is suppose to resemble a vagina. I don’t want a men who has purposely declined testosterone levels and increased estrogen levels mechanically though injections, to LOOK LIKE a woman. I am not hating, but that doesn’t mean I have to accept fraud. Call me organic, a naturalist. No artificial flavors or additives, please.

  24. Sea Lawyer says:

    Ultimately this is a beauty contest, so who cares? If he is more beautiful by our standards than the real women, then how is that his problem?

    If this was an athletic contest where being a biological male could impart some physiological advantage, then I can see the reason for exclusion, but to just stand around in a dress and look pretty? This whole story is dumb.

    • Nathan says:

      Funny thing is that women’s cosmetic applications are designed to accentuate features that are normally dominant in male physiology, i.e. prominent cheekbones, big eyelashes, full colorful lips, along with other normally male dominant features that require Achilles tendon destroying high heels which manufacture nicely turned calves, high tight butts, and then there are the fake/long painted nails that give the illusion of large hands. The list goes on, but the truth is that men who like this look are merely in love with the look of themselves, and not the true and natural appearance of the feminine sex.

    • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

      Thanks. That was funny. I did see “it” coming. ONly because of coming from this thread.

      Savage movie trailer was well worth watching. I’m coming to like Oliver Stone more and more.

      Don’t like the jump cuts today though. I like to “linger.”

  25. deowll says:

    She can have babies? I don’t think so.

    However this is Canada and if Canada says this is a woman…

  26. dudeski says:

    Just to keep this on topic.. Would totally hit that.

  27. the other dvorak says:

    Heinlein fan. I figure if shes got the right parts and she looks like that, I could not care less how she got there. I’d hit it and come back for seconds.

    • Sea Lawyer says:

      Well, there is a hole there. All of the other stuff is absent of course.

  28. Publius says:

    She’s beautiful

    • Yaknow says:

      Only with the make-up on and until estrogen levels drop. Talk about a truly born again virgin, naw maybe not. I am not saying he shouldn’t have any rights. Just don’t force me to call him a woman, or treat him as a woman. I am not into social Stalinism.


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