A principal in Onalaska, Wash., was accused of “raping” her fifth-grade students. Not actually — this isn’t a case of, you know, rape-rape but rather rape as an inappropriate metaphor: “rape” by sex ed. James Gilliland, the parent of an 11-year-old girl who took C.J. Gray’s class on the birds and the bees, told Seattle’s KING 5 News: “It’s basically the same as raping a kid’s mind and taking their innocence.”

What got this father and other parents so fired up? In a recent lesson on HIV, Gray answered a student’s question about what oral sex and anal sex are. […S]he did not actually demonstrate the act; there were no photos or videos, either. It was just a matter-of-fact explanation of the basic mechanics.

This small-town story has garnered national attention — and, of course, lit up conservative sites like Glenn Beck’s the Blaze and anti-choice outlets like LifeNews.com — because the backlash isn’t just about these kids or their hyperbolic parents; it’s really about a larger culture war, as well as fundamental, bipartisan fears about kids and sex. It’s a case study on the parental terror, ignorance and sometimes willful blindness that often accompanies the fight against comprehensive sex education.

Given examples like this where abstinence-only sex ed doesn’t work, and parents seem to not want to talk fully and accurately about sex, wouldn’t people want schools to do it? On the other hand, given how badly schools do at other things

  1. Sheila says:

    its all about conditioning, the reason TPTB condition us to feel shame when it come to sex is so they can use that shame on us to control us.

    Religion is a false morality.


    • dusanmal says:

      Unfortunately the other side also only works on “conditioning”. Sex education without an iota of moral discussion (to quote the article: It was just a matter-of-fact explanation of the basic mechanics.) is pointless and intentionally misleading. Sex is NOT the mechanical act alone and isolated from anything else. This type of “sex education” is aimed at one thing and one thing only: trivialize sex, rip it out of any moral setting and hence build the base for liberal ideology of “no good or evil”. Teaching only morals or only mechanics is there for the ideological purpose. The only solution is to remove (by law?) ANY sex education from schools and leave it strictly to parents. Children are theirs. They will take risk and pay for it if they do not properly educate their own child. Leave ideological institutions (unfortunately existing school system is one of those) out of sex.

      • What? says:

        You don’t think sex is a trivial thing?

        Do you put pussy on a pedestal? (to quote a movie)

        Other than unintended conception, and STDs, sex is trivial.

        But some people’s minds apparently have to focus on it, and build it into something it is not, because they have no other ideas to ponder.

  2. serf says:

    Morons should be shot on sight (and raped first, that would show them what real rape is).

    BTW, aren’t the USA the most prolific producers of hardcore porn ?

    • msbpodcast says:

      The US is also the biggest consumer of hard core porn in the world, most if it being shot without mention of safe sex practices.

      Q: What did sex movie star John Holmes die of?

      A: AIDS!

      US citizens are the most hypocritical in people the world and have been so partly because they have forgotten what a lusty bunch of people the Puritans were, but only within the bonds* of matrimony.

      It was assumed that children fostered were the result of their wedded parents because of the strict moral upbringing of their mothers, even if the, ahem, father had brown hair and eyes and the neighbor had blod hair and blue eyes, just like the son.

      *) Yes, they did that as well. Riding crops were used too. 🙂

      • So what says:

        How dare you malign the puritans, they were gods chosen. Next you’ll say they were immigrants.

      • What? says:

        I think you meant to say “US Americans”. Which is an accurate construction (i.e. not Canadian Americans).

  3. Dallas says:

    Like most weird shit in SheepleLand, the bread crumbs lead to one of three reasons:

    (1) Money
    (2) Religion <— winner
    (3) Power

    • msbpodcast says:

      There is no reason 3.

      You buy power in smoke filled back rooms or you coerce power from the sheeple.

      Money and religion are both all about power.

      Money is about power to fuck thing up and people over while selling them something tangible. (Look at Apple’s meteoric rise up the charts of the financial hit parade. [Oh, if only I’d actually bought Apple stock back in 1995 when I had a chance and the money. I’d be loaded now…])

      Religion is about power to fuck thing up and people over without even selling them something tangible. (Look at the economics of religious organizations. The history of Québec is a 300 year long litany of abuses perpetrated on the people, mainly the women, of Québec.)

      Tangible things are usually things wich aren’t good for you or your descendants either. They’re either disposable assets or consumables. Neither is a durable good nor does it do durable good.

      • Dallas says:

        Come on, msp, ‘POWER’ is the ultimate desire. Once you have money, what remains is power or more power.

        All tyrants have money and those in power draw money but the ultimate desire is Power.

        Religion is entirely different and although a means to Power, it is also a mental condition of mammals with large brains (humanoids) that transforms people to sheeple.

        The humanoid large brain is often afflicted with a GREAT desire explain all they see around them. Without a logical explanation by way of the few senses (sight, touch,..) capable of, the condition causes one to create an explanation. The power seeker in this scenario gains by coming up with the most magical explanation linked to degrees of reality. I believe it is this circular process that causes a natural thing like SEX to be rejected and feared.

  4. bobbo, man enough to go first says:

    As a young adult, I recall being somewhat “squeamish” about sex. Still am. The sex-ed I got in school is just like those old videos you see from time to time that make fun of the scare tactics used to keep us abstaining.

    Why was/am I squeamish? Combination of modesty and several other emotions. Probably a lot to do with it not being talked about or shown in the home at all.

    We are all products of our upbringing. Ha, ha. “I’d say” the mechanical review without morality discussion is EXACTLY what schools need to do more of and leave that moral discussion to the parents? Maybe also offer every complaining parent the actual class session for themselves with some additional morality indoctrination?

    What is society “for?” Dumbshit conservative shit for brains red state conservative luddite anti-science low information value voters. What other kind of kiddies do you expect them to raise?

    Silly Hoomans.

    • Mextli: ABO says:

      “What is society for?” Here is what Gail Collins thinks from the article link above.
      “Now we’re getting into the national impact of the way Texas handles sex ed. Medicaid is a federal program, and more than half of that billion-dollar bill is paid by federal taxpayers. Happy to be of help—but don’t the rest of us have a right to demand that Texas at least make sure poor women who don’t want to be pregnant have easy access to federally funded contraception?”

      Apparently society is “for” forcing other states, people, etc. to do the “right thing”

    • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

      Its been awhile, so I’m starting to recall my “HORROR” at the notion of getting a girl pregnant….. and I still am. Put me down for more than squeamish, and we still aren’t talking about VD.

  5. So what says:

    Perhaps the reason Americans are squeamish about sex is they remember what it’s like to be a fourteen year old and try to repress it.

  6. AdmFubar says:

    america… founded by the religious nut jobs that europe didnt want, and deported to here… 🙂

    • Gildersleeve says:

      Yeah, those “deported” religious nutjobs only had to come to the rescue TWICE in Europe to save them from themselves.

      I’ll put up with the American form of “nuttiness” over other ANYTIME.

  7. sargasso_c says:

    Kids are smarter than parents and teachers give them credit for.

    • msbpodcast says:

      Among thinking brains, the average IQ is a hundred, by definition.

      But when the “little head” that people keep in their underwear does the thinking, that goes down to zero.

      Everybody is stupid in bed but teens are specially vulnerable because they’re also ignorant.

      They actually believe that “you can’t get pregnant because you’re [insert incredibly stupid apology for getting pregnant here].

      • msbpodcast says:

        For christ sake!

        Ferrets get pregnant, and I’ve never heard an intelligent thing come from one of the smelly four footed footed sausages with attitudes, yet.

  8. NewformatSux says:

    I think if we applied sexual harassment laws to classrooms, we can say that the government is creating a hostile work environment.

  9. vince says:

    explaining sex to teenagers, should consist of the consequences, not the act of how to do it, show them young kids having babys, and how they cant survive because they cant afford to buy food, or diapers, or health insurance, because they only work at a fast food joint show them there friends in the hospital with an STD, then they will be educated on what sex can mean if done wrong. Yes sex is a wonderful thing, and is the spice of life, but not until a person is wise enough to understand the good and the bad.

    • Mextli: ABO says:

      “show them young kids having babys”

      Yep, show them kids actually having babies in delivery rooms.

    • NewformatSux says:

      Friends was almost criminal in the way they depicted Rachel and her baby, not really causing any difficulty at all. Just another lifestyle choice, you might say.

  10. Gorgo says:

    We’re not afraid of sex.
    We’re afraid of not having it and if we do of not being any good at it.

  11. The Monster's Lawyer says:

    What is this “sex” thing everyone is talking about?

  12. JimD, Boston, MA says:

    If kids had realistic sex education, they might now when they were being RAPED !!! But the “Religious” don’t want that, more priests would end up in JAIL, and the shortage of priests is acute enough already !!!

  13. NewformatSux says:

    Why are the countries that are supposedly the most open about sex having the fewest babies? Europe is in a death spiral of dropping populations, with Islamic immigrants becoming a larger and larger share of the population. Most popular baby name in England is Mohammed. Why are the repressed the ones that have a future as a society?

    • plarsen says:

      That is easy to answer. When you don’t know what it is – then you find out by accident. Experimentation eventually leads to realization of cause and effect. However it may take a while. Forever for some.

      As all know there is a correlation between ignorance and religion. Religious know nothings (and there are many) end up doing a lot of experimentation.

      If you add to that the number of rather intelligent nut jobs taking care of leading the religious masses and especially making sure they stay ignorant – then the result is obvious.

      To that we can now add your valid observation that the better informed generally have few or no kids. The final result will be disastrous. Perhaps the better informed have reached the foregone conclusion already and do not desire that for the innocent.

  14. Uncle Patso says:

    It’s not just sex many fear; it’s also strong, confident, powerful women.

  15. Uncle Patso says:

    NewformatSux asks:

    “… Why are the repressed the ones that have a future as a society?”

    Some future. They’re reproducing themselves into eternal squalid poverty.

    • NewformatSux says:

      No, they’re not. Muslims are emigrating and taking over most of Europe. Even America is immigrating one million Muslims since 9/11.

  16. faustus says:

    geez john i think it’s time to start another blog… this one seems to be reaching out into idiotville.

  17. UncDon says:

    Q: Why do so many Americans fear sex education?

    A: Having to explain monster clits … to anyone.

  18. smartalix says:

    Everyone here obviously forgot their own experiences with sex and their coming of age, as none of these statements address how the kids actually feel.


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