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Cons from solitary confinement take part in a group therapy session at San Quentin state prison in San Quentin, California.

What is there to say?



  1. Harry says:

    Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time!

  2. dadeo says:

    First question: Are those self-propelled, like cars on the Flintstones?

  3. orchidcup says:

    Which one is the therapist?

  4. t0llyb0ng says:

    The “group therapy” that those poor lost souls are being subjected to is even more damaging than being caged in a glorified dog kennel.

  5. ECA says:

    AT this point in time,
    we are getting to a point, where we DONT CARE who was at fault.
    WE JAIL both parties.
    Go to a school yard and a bully picks on someone..
    Do you defend yurself
    Or run off and find someone to deal with it?

    As the SOMEONE,
    you have to figure WHO is telling the truth, IF you didnt see what happened. So you do the SAME to both kids. as you dont know.
    1 person monitoring 100 kids..According to LAW, you cant have a person NON-registered to watch kids, so they HAVE TO BE, paid and so forth.(used to be parents would volunteer)

    So,
    HOW do you think JAILS decide who goes in the HOLE?? BOTH!! unless you got a DEAD BODY..you Cant tell WHO started a problem.

  6. orchidcup says:

    Why don’t they conduct group therapy via a social media site?

    That is the way we communicate in modern society.

    They shouldn’t be reintroduced into society without training in the proper tools.

    GoToMeeting or Skype conferencing is suitable for group therapy.

    They could Twitter their way to mental health, and security is maintained, just like in the real world.

  7. HUGSaLOT says:

    Solitary group meetings? What the fuck? i smell oxymoron from a moron.

  8. Endigo says:

    It needs a place at the bottom for a forklift to pick it up.

  9. bobbo, orchestrating the sublime from couplets to libraries says:

    “What is there to say?” ////

    Indeed. Why does America imprison more of its people than any other nation?

    I do think it is lack of “effective” (yes–weasel word I know) social services at the front end. Nanny state sort of stuff.

    ….but then just saw a show this morning that after Billions spent on Pre School Programs, the neutral review agency says that 2-3 years out of these programs you can’t tell any difference between those who attended vs those who didn’t. This indicates but does not prove that the Billions spent on this program have not been …… ? ……. thats right: “effective.”

    I don’t give a crap about repeat offenders who offend in jail. What is the most cost “effective” way to deal with them? I am a great fan of intensive counseling and support in minimum security settings >>>>> BECAUSE ITS CHEAPER to society both in terms of taxes and impact. Course in my program with all that help if you screw up you get thrown in a shark tank. I may be liberal, but I’ve got my limits.

    There but for the grace of god…… go we all.

  10. Televised, this will make a popular reality show for the new season, and they’ve already shot a pilot for CBS with hidden cameras. After you see the inmates push each other’s buttons, “Caged Fury” will prove to be an appropriate title. In episode #4, two inmates discover that their cages have been accidentally left unlocked, and you won’t want to miss the ensuing drama. It’s must-see TV at its finest!

  11. UncDon says:

    Americans in a UN reeducation facility after protesting the loss of freedom on the Internet after China imposed sanctions against Twitter and Facebook.

  12. sargasso_c says:

    How do you feel about your father?

  13. Gary In Gilroy says:

    Pull your heads out of the sand…. there are animals out there who would no sooner look you in the eye than break into your house, kill you and your family. These are not a group of men in custody for possession of weed…

  14. mainecat says:

    For once, the sharks are INSIDE the cage. Or “hells phonebooths have no phones.”

  15. Jennifer says:

    Aren’t they all mentally ill?

  16. Anonymous says:

    I don’t know why we spend so much money on these convicted assholes. Just pull their eyeballs out of their heads, chop off their favored hand (as well as testicles if there’s a sex crime involved) and let them go live under a bridge or in a sewer like some of our VETERANS do!

    I say we should seriously disable horrible criminals with at least blindness even if we don’t let them go. And if they somehow still commit a crime then chop off their legs and other hand. Sooner or later they will stop. I guarantee they will stop once you chop their heads off!

    And don’t hand me any of that crap about how inhuman it is either. BULLSHIT! Try having your family members murdered or try burring your kids and know that the animal who did it is in one of those cages getting 3 meals a day and has a nice warm bed to sleep in – and TV to watch! If it were a dog there would be no question of putting it down. But because something like that has human form that it’s somehow wrong? NO FUCKING WAY!

    But even if you think that killing a killer is wrong then at least taking away the sight of a serious criminal would be a step in the right direction. I’m talking about the really bad ones who have multiple convictions of murder and rape. Tattooing their forehead would also help the public discriminate between legitimate blind people and criminals too. This is NOT revenge either. It’s sensible and would definitely help reduce crime once enough career criminals are incapacitated. The choice is everyone’s to make too! Do the crime more than once and expect to be living on the dark side.

    Now, if you want to talk about a crime? How about the crime of a convicted murderer or rapist getting out on parole simply because the prison needed an extra cell for some kid who was caught dealing dope. How about the crime of making the public pay to keep a freak of nature like Charles Manson or Terry Nichols alive. How about the fact that we still don’t have the SEC prosecuting anyone for the economic catastrophes of recent years. How about the crime of deporting foreign invaders who only get caught after they kill American citizens? How about THOSE crimes?

    How about crime prevention?! How about the crimes of pathetic educators who produce absolute fools who wind up in prison? How about THAT?!

    You want to talk about crime?! How about the crime that I’m looking at career criminals and being asked to contribute to the conversation?!!!

    • rickem says:

      I believe that blinding convicts would probably fall under the heading of cruel and unusual punishment.

      • Anonymous says:

        Like MURDER isn’t “cruel or unusual“?! GET REAL!!!

        Think of it this way: Your kids are dead!!! And the asshole who did it is housed in a building that allows him/her to enjoy life – even as bad as it is in a little box like the ones we see in that picture. That asshole is fed 3 times a day, allowed to exercise, socialize, and even receive free entertainment. Now look at a few of our military veterans who can’t even get THOSE things! HOW THE FUCK IS THAT RIGHT?! IT’S NOT!!!

        Blinding IS humane! It’s not denying life either. It’s simply restricting the ability of the criminal to commit the same crime AGAIN AND AGAIN!!! After all, you can’t shoot what you can’t see and you probably can’t even assault someone if you don’t have both hands. And if you get aroused and commit rape then you will definitely think twice if you can’t see or grab your own johnson with both hands. So limit the motherfuckers ability to continue committing those same crimes!

        The fact that it’s also punishing criminals is just a side benefit that is may even help the victims!

    • mainecat says:

      I use that same rant whenever jury duty comes up. I get out of it every time. Not sure why.

  17. deowll says:

    I do understand that these men are horrendously dangerous. I still have to ask the Question.

    This is supposed to be more humane than two to the head?

    • Anonymous says:

      You’re right! Keeping them alive is just prolonging their suffering – and OURS!

      Even if we have nothing to do with the circumstances behind what put each jerk in jail we all still have to pay (in taxes) to keep each of them alive – and HAPPY!

      How is fuck that fair or even right?!

      There shouldn’t be a sentence of life in prison without parole. There should only be death! And plenty of it, particularly since the earth is running out of resources to support the over population of humans.

  18. Taxed Enough Already Dude says:

    Better therapy would be hard labor. An added benefit to hard labor is less crime behind bars, less idle hands that breed mischief.

    And recidivism would be much less nor would the homeless find the accommodation passable.

    We tried it the progressive way long enough to see it doesn’t work.

  19. B. Dog says:

    That is a remarkable picture — thanks.

    Prisoners generally suffer from fetal alcohol syndrome and are illiterate. They are usually unsophisticated immature people.

    I have found that often the fellows that get sent to the hole are sometimes among the most popular and interesting of the prisoners and make good natural leaders. Some, of course, are just bad people and/or insane.

  20. Taxed Enough Already Dude says:

    Hard labor is good for the soul…

    Now that Bush/Obama have exhausted our lines of credit, we should wake up to the reality we can’t afford to send so many to Jail.

    And those we send there should pay for their keep, via hard labor doing something that Americans no longer do…that we have outsourced to the Chinese etc.

    Perhaps a line of genes or other clothing sold for a hefty profit, to pay for inmate care and guards…With the right advisement the “prison label” would be popular among the citizens, knowing it lowers our taxes.

    • Anonymous says:

      Most prisons do have a policy of self sufficiency. They are required to farm and produce as much of their own food as they can. But guards don’t do their jobs for free. And it’s not like the land or upkeep are free either. In fact, it’s very profitable to to run a private prison since the government subsidizes (pays for) it. And just who do you think the government gets the money from?! (You can be damned sure it’s not from the criminals.)

      Talk about being victimized TWICE! And most of these liberal religious fools probably don’t even realize just how badly they’re getting screwed either. Then again, they almost never see it as “their money” as being wasted – probably because it isn’t (their money)! Or their family who was victimized!

      • Taxed Enough Already Dude says:

        I don’t believe in prisons….If a person isn’t worthy of death, then they can be forced to work and pay those they harmed…

        They can be electronically monitored.

        If they refuse, then put them to death.

        However, as that won’t happen, at least they can restrict prison for violent offenses…and if they legalized drugs then a whole lot more could be released.

        Those sent to prison could be made to produce profitable items…things that pay big $$$….private businessmen could be contracted to run it with the profits used to offset the cost of prisons…

        And I’m not talking about turnip farms etc…

        Real money.

        • Taxed Enough Already Dude says:

          “Look for the prison label, when you are shopping for ??? or ??? or ???…Remember the prison is protecting you and the profits are lowering your taxes as it does so….”

  21. President Amabo (I see the comment system is still designed for retards.) says:

    These “people” wasted their time doing things that did not contribute to them having a big house with a 3 car garage to hold their 4×4 they could drive 25K miles or more a year.

    They obviously don’t understand the priorities of a real human, so fuck em.

    • Dan says:

      Hahahahaha YESSSSS!!!! I work in a jail, and there is just a percentage of the population that is “defective” if you ask me- as said PERFECTLY above: “They obviously don’t understand the priorities of a real human, so fuck em.” Indeed sir, INDEED! FUCK EM!

      • noname says:

        Don’t expect people to shed a tear or have concern for an asshole employee when a mistreated prisoner takes a stave to your throat. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

        I bet you kick your dog and beat your kids in anger too!

        ““They obviously don’t understand the priorities of a real human, so fuck em.” Indeed sir, INDEED! FUCK EM!”

        History repeatedly shows, over and over, those who point fingers have 4 pointing back at them.

        • Dan says:

          Yes I am quite certain these guys are mistreated…. probably being unjustly punished for smiling too much and practicing too much selfless altruism.

          “mistreated”… maybe in the typical criminal’s mind, because they are the center of their universe, and “Deserve” everything they want.

          And I don’t have a dog.

          I really gotta find out what these guys history is now…. So- are you saying that you think these guys are not deserving at all of their situation? Or have not proven themselves as a danger to others?

          • noname says:

            Hum, let see. Because I raise questions about YOU, instead of saying some equivalent of “Yesum master!” you say I must be nigger, I mean prison lover. What an asshole.

            I also find it humorous after you make you ignorant, “I sit on my brain” comment you try to justify it by “I really gotta find out what these guys history is now”

            It’s evident, in your diseased mind, I am supposed too, if not required too believe, you being a guard makes you a stellar individual above reproach. I guess for you that only really works with people under your abusive authority. I feel sorry for everyone who HAS to be around you.

          • Dan says:

            This reply is in reply to noname’s below comment.

            Okay okay calm down…. when I said I was wondering about “these guy’s history,” I was referring to the guys in the prison cages, not the commenters. I enjoy/appreciate a good debate here. Also throwing this “nigger” comment in- I call foul! At no time did I suggest that term in any way. But I tell ya- some folks- SOME, definitely not ALL, that get to prison are these defective people. I describe the real losers as “the reasons prisons are built.” I mean- them being out and among the responsible, law abiding citizens is a hazard to society. And I believe that the persons in the cages are perfect examples of this.

            BTW- were you saying that “niggers” are prisons lovers? Serious question there… I quote the n word because I did not use that word….

      • Group therapy? Is it really needed?

  22. Dan says:

    If we would certify and license all mothers I think we could reduce this “problem” by a large amount.

    • orchidcup says:

      I’ll volunteer to do the certifying.

      Legalizing abortion helps too. :)

      • msbpodcast says:

        Fuck yeah… Its not crime, its pre-crime.

        That picture is one great reason/justification for state-funded abortion.

        We could reduce the number of criminals behind bars if these weren’t born in the first place. Think of the lives and money we could save and the number of property crimes we could prevent.

        I bet none of the mothers of these losers would have shed a tear if any of them had been aborted in the first trimester.

        As it is, we have to pay for facilities, equipment and people to engage in bondage play with these losses of space and wastes of resources, this human detritus, for years and decades to come.

  23. AdmFubar says:

    no thinking outta the box allowed here….

    • orchidcup says:

      Okay. That was a good one.

      The therapist has a captive audience.

      You gotta give me that one.

    • bobbo, orchestrating the sublime from couplets to libraries says:

      Yes, good one Adm. It strikes me that “by definition” everyone in a hard time prison needs and some would even benefit, and when they benefit WE all benefit, from good effective mental health services?

      And this post notwithstanding, I’ll bet the psych services made available to prisoners is close to nil and even less if you take away merely giving them drugs?

      Fun to read reports of how many of us are sick right now or at anytime during our lives? I know I got upset when my girl friend walked out on me for no good reason, or at least not for one stated. I could have been arreste at just about any time thereafter for about a week….. maybe even should have been. Ha, ha….. and then it passed leaving me the cheery personality I have today.

      Mental Illness. Societal Misfit. The broken hearted. Quiet Acceptance.

      Everything on the continuum. Just be thankful you weren’t caught during the transitions.

      • orchidcup says:

        I could have been arreste at just about any time thereafter for about a week….. maybe even should have been. Ha, ha….. and then it passed leaving me the cheery personality I have today.

        Everybody has ups and downs, but as crazy as you are, I doubt you were contemplating the kind of crime that would land you in prison and in solitary confinement.

        I grow weary of people justifying criminal behavior because the perpetrator had a bad childhood. We are products of our environment in many ways, but we also have brains that allow us to think things through. It is too easy for criminals to play the blame game.

        I must admit your *ahem* cheery personality *cough* gets rather tedious at times.

        • bobbo, orchestrating the sublime from couplets to libraries says:

          Well, thats the whole point there Orchi==we are all tedious…. at times …. or in our own ways ….. except in our own minds…..

          all is vanity.

          Things/Issues are complex and simple at the same time. Depends on how you view/what take you make on the subject.

          Why do people similarly situated have different outcomes? Why do separated Twins have remarkably similar life experiences? How can future criminality be resonably predicted based on environmental factors?===and then we “blame” the individual???

          We may have to blame the individual/make the individual responsible as the only handle we have against anarchy==EVEN IF IT ISN’T TRUE. Not true—just pragmatic.

          Thats just one of the ways that that makes reality a bitch…… and me tedious.

          Ha, ha.

    • Bill says:

      That’s just the problem..A baby waits 9 months to get out, where a man spends the rest of his life trying to figure out how to get back in…

  24. jpfitz says:

    The Odyssey rover has landed on Mars and these six guys despite their rage are still just rats in a cage.

    • msbpodcast says:

      If only it was only six, but its thousands and thousands

      I’d like to send them with one way tickets to mars.

    • orchidcup says:

      Curiosity has landed. Odyssey is orbital.

      Congratulations to the human resources at JPL.

      • jpfitz says:

        I realized my mistake later. I was too excited about the mission. Ergo, my brain farted. Too much NASA TV and broccoli.

        Did you notice how young some of the JPL scientists are?

        • orchidcup says:

          It proves that young folks can grow up and do something useful with their lives instead of gangbanging and drug dealing.

          What a spectacular achievement. I am still giddy from watching the landing.

          It reminds me of the moon landings and the Apollo 13 flight that was saved with duct tape and chewing gum.

  25. Scott M. says:

    “There but for the grace of circumstances go I.”

  26. Sigmund Fraud says:

    What do you think the therapist said as his(?) opening remark?

    My guess: “Let’s take 5 minutes and silently reflect on why we’re here.”

    • orchidcup says:

      My guess: “Ladies, the reason you are here is simple. You are one step above a monkey. You are retarded in your intellectual development. You have no imagination or reasoning skills that would have prevented your incarceration. You could not foresee the future consequences of your actions because you did not pay attention in school and you watched too much television.”

      Blah-blah-blah and so on and so forth.

    • bobbo, orchestrating the sublime from couplets to libraries says:

      I was gonna suggest that the pic cries out for “Caption This” and I would make yours the winner.

      something we could all think about at some time during the day? …….. in our own cubicles? Corner Window Office????—whats the diff except the view?

      Well done Sigmund.

  27. BigBoyBC says:

    The latest Hot Pockets Tour 2009 Meet-up…

  28. ShotgunMo says:

    they should put pallets under those things…then use forklifts…

    just sayin’

  29. Reminds me of the confessional, not much difference. “Can I help you my son?” “Yeah, you got any toilet paper?”

  30. ufa says:

    Next it will be those with disabilities, then it will be you. Think they
    don’t have cages for you? All you that sit in judgement, think they
    don’t have cages for you? Think again.

    • orchidcup says:

      A jury of twelve peers sat in judgment and the losers get put in a cage. That is the way the system works.

      When you think of a better solution, write a book.

      • Dan says:

        Exactly. Then- not only that- after they got to the prison, they were just dysfunctional pieces of shit that they earned their way into these cages.