While privacy has been dead for a while, it says something that it has been so easy to find out about how the government and business is intruding into our lives. They just don’t care if we know anymore.

Anonymizer, the company that brings you free anonymous email facilities, called nyms, as well as similar secure services used by activists all over the world, is actually owned by Cubic Corporations, the parent company that owns Abraxis, which in turn owns Trapwire. So, it’s possible, if not probable that all those activists around the world who believe their emails are safe may well be sending messages that go straight into Trapwire, the surveillance system that monitors activists. This could be lifted straight out of a political conspiracy movie – but it isn’t. Furthermore, Cubic Corporation runs transport smart cards around the world, including USA, Australia and London (Oyster card): a link with Trapwire too?

  1. Todd says:

    WOW, Nice find

  2. bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

    You had me at: “While privacy has been dead for a while….” /// Thats Mother Bitch Reality having her way with you.

    Don’t ya know it!

  3. McCullough says:

    I guess there’s a reason it’s called the Web.

  4. dusanmal says:

    Privacy is still fine and well. You still hold the keys to it. Problem is that majority is buying the “convenience” spin and “cool” spin giving corporations and government the store.
    You must be somewhat paranoid and aware to keep out of the tracking jaws. You must actively think about it and fight back as possible. It is possible.
    Example: I use Android, yet I do not have Google account and have disabled Google services on it… Works just fine (if not better).
    List of such things goes on and on and you must be educated and active and paranoid to fight back. Security and privacy does not come with convenience.
    For this particular example: I have been Anonimyzer customer once, early on. I quit on rumors of takeover/sale. Have been aware of government public/private partnership of it as soon as it happened although I have quit the service prior to it…
    Also, as The People we must do our duty to remove public servants who put collectivism first and bring in those for individual rights. Again against “convenience” (isn’t it great convenience to have universal healthcare? – yes if you want Government informed of and controlling your health). You don’t want likes of Trapwire in your life – remove Progressive scum, Left and Right from public service. Let them move to China or France. No collective benefit is worth violation of a single persons individual rights.

      • Taxed Enough Already Dude says:

        I recall John already exposed the fact, if not the means, that the web is the most efficient and comprehensive information gathering tool ever invented.

        Everything is noted and its author identified, unless you are one of those proficient hackers.

    • deowll says:

      I have no doubt the data base is there and that it is collecting staggering amounts of data. I’m confident that no matter who does what you can go to that data base and do enough digging to come up with electronic data that would be useful but one of the things that really pisses me off is that I’m seriously dubious that it would actually prevent terrorist from crossing our open border and by using a little cash and a contact making a very painful attack if they wished to.

      This blasted thing is going to be a useful tool for the government putting down the peasants but I figure it is pretty much worthless in the war on drugs and international terrorist. That their main concern is no longer terrorist, drug dealers, or catching illegals should be obvious when you look at what they are spending money on: Systems to suppress riots and put down domestic insurrections. Obama and friends seem to be afraid the peasants are going to try and storm the Bastille and they, the aristocrats, are going to prevent it.

  5. ECA says:

    I hope some of you know this, but lets ADD to it…

    This has been a known feature of our government security services.
    To start a group that DOES “Such and SUCH” to locate and gather groups of LIKE interest, so that they can be monitored..

    Its also an interesting trick by OTHER groups. You name a Group for what its NOT..and fight Against the name.(stupid)

  6. sargasso_c says:

    Probably a keyword search engine selling your market profile to spammers.

  7. NewformatSux says:

    This means several of the posters here can be arrested, assuming this blog can be seen in England. During the Olympics, one Welshman was arrested and his case is pending, for saying ‘those tow can go bum each other.’ Another was arrested for not smiling.

    • Mr Diesel says:

      Did you mean to say bugger each other or butt fuck each other. Those funny Welsh.

      I’m not smiling either.

    • jpfitz says:

      Thanks for the enlightenment Newformat. I wonder how many of us here have been flagged as suspicious by the new stasi because of our views and or comments. I am paranoid as it is and now I need to up my meds, damn technology, Ha.

      dusanmal, you just had yourself flagged.

      Here are the Olympic arrests Newformat mentioned.

      http://dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2185494/Olympics-2012-Parkinsons-sufferer-Mark-Worsfold-54-arrested-police-smiling-cycling-road-race.html?ITO=1490d by the web overlords.


      • Taxed Enough Already Dude says:

        If progressives aren’t rooted out of government, tyranny is in our future. The soft kind, where you elect the Dear Leader, and he and his wife like good rulers, tell you exactly what you will eat, drink, wear, drive….they will take care of your, make all the tough decisions…for you…for your own good…you being just a sucker for every evil rich man to make profits on….

        • jpfitz says:

          your rantings now sound as if you are channeling J. Edgar. You are a tool.

          Alfie the dull. Come out of the shed.

          • Taxed Enough Already Dude says:

            Clearly this went over your head.

            Progressive premise is people can’t make the right decisions about life because its too complicated, that is, they are too stupid.

            That’s why they modify their subjects behavior through excessive taxation or outright banning products, coercing or legislating the “their will” on their subjects.
            Cigarettes, gas, sugary drinks, social mandates etc.

            So the logical end of progressivism is tyranny.

            There is no escaping that, its the inexorable result of making their subjects decisions for them, till there are none of any importance left to make.

            What CS Lewis said about theocratic dictators applies to Progressives in spades:

            “Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victim may be the most oppressive.

            It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies.

            The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated, but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.” God In the Dock, CS Lewis.

          • Taxed Enough Already Dude says:

            And the Progressive argument rests upon a fallacy, that Government will make the right decisions.

            Where do the people in Government come from? The very people said to be incapable of making the right decisions.

            As Government is not populated by angelic humans who fall from the sky, but stupid subjects unable to make right decisions in those areas Government takes control…

            The premise Government will make right decisions is unsound, nothing can be cited to support it.

          • Taxed Enough Already Dude says:

            That is, nothing can be cited to support it without undermining the fundamental progressive premise the people are incapable of making the right decisions.

            If the Government can, then the same people outside of Government can, and the reason for STATIST control is voided.

          • ± says:

            ****The premise Government will make right decisions is unsound, nothing can be cited to support it.****

            You make it sound as if you require proof to accept a premise.

          • Taxed Enough Already Dude says:

            Of course I do, its critical thinking applied.

            As I pointed out, progressivism is in fundamental SELF CONTRADICTION, one one hand they suppose the people are incapable of making complex decisions….but on the other, the populate government with the same people….

          • Taxed Enough Already Dude says:

            By the way, a “premise” without proof becomes nothing more than a “claim,” i.e., an “opinion” which, as you know, is like an asshole…everyone has one.

    • Taxed Enough Already Dude says:

      Several posters here could be shills for progress for America, Justice Kagen’s speech skewers who report to AttackWatch.com on a regular basis.

      If they aren’t being paid, then they really are losers.

  8. msbpodcast says:

    This is applied systemantics; a system opposing its own function.

    The first component of a peace treaty is setting the size of the army. (Of course, the first function of any army is not peace.)

    The first rule of any organization (governmental, NGO or humanitarian,) which is supposed to benefit the people is making them prove who they are and why they should be entitled to any benefit. (Its the kick ’em when they’re down principle. [You have to set up any system with a supplicant, {meaning someone who is forced to jump through whatever hoops some petty bureaucrat or glorified trumped up clerk wishes to see the supplicants jump through,} and a self-important delusional clerk, {who only has the power to deny whatever the organization is supposed to mete out. (Go to any governmental or para-governmental institution, from the military to the DMV, and spend the day observing the interaction between the public and their supposed clientele and you’ll see what I mean…}}])

  9. bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

    So…… tell me again how owning semi-automatic weapons with extended clips with teflon coated bullets is going to protect me from this?

    YOU KNOW: FREEEEEEEEDOM is a philosophical question dealing with philosophical issues. Any alignment with real world issues, like GUNS, will be a forced fit, a manufactured (sic) argument, purely rhetorical. Thats doesn’t mean there won’t be a fit here and there, a happy congruence, but that will never be the end of the story/analysis …… BECAUSE ….. FREEEEEDOM is a philosophical construct.

    PHILOSOPHICAL CONSTRUCT: doesn’t really exist in the real world. Its an “idea” imposed by those who think with that end goal as their purpose. Ideas are contested and supported by OTHER IDEAS===not real world GUNS and such.

    So…. there is that big old building in Utah. Go ahead and shoot at it.

    Silly Hoomans.

    • Taxed Enough Already Dude says:

      Progressive governments become tyrannical because its the natural result of the premise the people are too stupid to make decisions about their lives, someone in Government has to make these for them.

      Governments and their laws never decrease, therefore personal freedom under progressive regimes always diminishes till its only an illusion…one can vote for the next tyrant…but not decide where to live, what to eat, what to drive, how to light one’s house, etc etc.

      Its all done for your good, to protect you from the evil rich republicans.

      That’s why progressive states always end up in tyranny, its the natural consequence of believing the people are too stupid to make the complicated decisions on their own.

      But the fundamental fallacy of progressive argument, is the people in Government are no smarter than the populace they reign over.

      They only think they are.

      So stupid is as stupid rules, over the stupid.

      • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

        Hi Alfie–posting early tonight.

        What you say has great validity until you divide good and evil up the way you do as progressive vs who knows what?

        Rewrite the evils you identify as the self seeking nature of “power” and you will be close to the mark.

        Not that that is your goal at all …. just saying.

        • Taxed Enough Already Dude says:

          Its tyranny (both soft and hard) versus liberty, freedom.

          Obama is right, there is an ideological choice this election, unlike all others.

          Either you vote for Democrats, and lose your liberty eventually, as the country will be reduced to a third world state where all poverty is equally shared by all except the elites in Government making the rules…

          Or the economic dream team which still has a chance to undo the statist damage both Bush and Obama did to our country, unwind Government tyranny from our lives and restore our liberty, our rights to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.

          If Obama wins, his plain to double our debt already announced in his budgets…the country is finished.

          If Romney wins, there is a chance he can turn it around, not a guarantee…it may already be too late.

          • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

            You are an idiot Alfie. Romney’s plan as best can be guessed at given he gives no specifics is WORSE THAN Obamas.

            Funny notion of Freedom you have: to starve, to be unemployed, outsourced, no health insurance, no social security, all so that Romney and his super rich friends can earn their capital gains income without any taxation at all—or is it at 1 to 2 percent? I think I’ve seen both statements.

            Alfie—if I hated you, I would grant you all your fevered wishes===but for you alone. But I don’t hate the crazy, I just don’t think you should vote.

          • Taxed Enough Already Dude says:

            You cite scripture out of context, to prove what?

            Here is some of the context you left out:

            KJV Mark 12:17 And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s. And they marvelled at him.
            (Mar 12:17 KJV)

            They marveled, so should you.

            The founding fathers were mostly God fearing Christians, a few deists also.

            Why didn’t they see a conflict between those scriptures, and rebellion against England?

            That never occurred to you…

            Because, tip toeing through the Orchidcups, up and down the daisy chain grabbing the ankles, isn’t the position a thinker assumes…

        • Taxed Enough Already Dude says:

          Incorrect, he has spelled out his plan in detail:


          There is irrefutable historical proof Romney’s small government plan will work, in what Reagan, JFK and Calvin Coolidge did.

          Allowing free enterprise to flourish always works.

          Social Security and Medicare are blowing themselves up, its time to grow up and adopt common sense solutions to save these programs.

          Spending the country into Bankruptcy will destroy all of the safety net, as well as the prosperity of the country.

          • orchidcup says:

            1 Peter 2:13
            Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man.

            Romans 13:1-2
            Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

            For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: For he is the minister of God to thee for good.

            But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

  10. noname says:

    Another broken Obama promise!

    Isn’t this a logical governmental extension and Obama expansion of the Bush Era, “American citizens are guilty and are only are safe to our paranoid government by constant monitoring every citizen”, with any means legal or not, constitutional rights be damned; and, in this case using “a net of honeypots or honeynet”?

    Yes, the NSA now tracks everyone, all the time! What’s new?

    Just to let you know, Obama can order American citizens assassinated by his fiat! So don’t piss him off with your comments!

    As a presidential candidate in 2008, Barack Obama promised to revisit and revise the rules of FISA to protect Americans’ rights, after he had voted for the bill as a Senator. However, as president, Obama has continued where president Bush left off in calling for extending the legislation and even actively preventing any judicial oversight of the wiretapping program.

    I feel doomed no matter who I vote for! They both lie! One is blatantly for the RICH (screw the 99%) and one is afraid to stand up or is now just dismissive of his own campaign promises. Either way, the common folks are screwed!

    • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

      Fair recognition. More than enough to separate a vote in your own interest vs not in your own interest.

      Is there always something better to be wished for?===Of course.

      Is there always something worse to be avoided?==Of course.

      Now all you have to do is grow up.

    • John says:

      Whatever happened to transparency? Obama is about as transparent as a drug lords tinted windowed Caddy.

      • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

        He lied.


    • NewformatSux says:

      Yup, I remember Mr Mustard telling me no way Obama flip-flops on wiretapping, right before Obama voted for it. Obama is interested in government power. Privacy only wins when people are willing to make this a top issue when voting, and not just in the primary of your preferred party. That doesn’t happen, so this issue goes low on the list, unlike gun rights.

      • msbpodcast says:

        O’mama’s a whore. Mittenz is a whore. They’re all whores.

        He’ll sell your ass for two bits.

        I’d sell your heart to the junkman baby
        For a buck, for a buck
        If you’re looking for someone to pull you out of that ditch
        You’re out of luck, you’re out of luck

        Ship is sinking
        The ship is sinking
        The ship is sinking

        There’s a leak, there’s a leak in the boiler room
        The poor, the lame, the blind
        Who are the ones that we kept in charge?
        Killers, thieves and lawyers

        God’s away, God’s away
        God’s away on business, business
        God’s away, God’s away
        God’s away on business, business

        Digging up the dead with a shovel and a pick
        It’s a job, it’s a job
        Bloody moon rising with a plague and a flood
        Join the mob, join the mob

        It’s all over, it’s all over
        It’s all over

        There’s a leak, there’s a leak in the boiler room
        The poor, the lame, the blind
        Who are the ones that we kept in charge?
        Killers, thieves and lawyers

        God’s away, God’s away
        God’s away on business, business
        God’s away, God’s away on business, business
        God’s away, God’s away on business, business

        Godddamn there’s always such a big temptation
        To be good, to be good
        There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby
        It’s a deal, it’s a deal

        God’s away, God’s away
        God’s away on business, business
        God’s away, God’s away
        God’s away on business, business

        I narrow my eyes like a coin slot baby
        Let her ring, let her ring

        God’s away, God’s away
        God’s away on business, business
        God’s away, God’s away
        God’s away on business, business -Tom Waits

        • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

          Tom Waits–always moody. Lots of images but makes no sense at all….. like most “tunes” listened to for the beat.

          What does this little ditty mean to You MPod? for what insight did you post it?

          I’ll buy a homeless man a Starbucks if you have a response in the ballpark?

        • Taxed Enough Already Dude says:

          What distinguishes you from the babbling shopping cart fool in every village.

          Nothing in your poem.

  11. John says:

    Most people are dumb and easily manipulated and fooled. They respond to whatever Government tells them. The Government counts on that blind following to support their efforts. Only a few question their motives and are easily tagged as extremists. I guess that’s better then some Countries where if you question government your imprisoned or killed.

  12. orchidcup says:

    According to a press release on the Cubic Corporation web site;

    Cubic Corporation Has No Affiliation with Trapwire, Inc.

    SAN DIEGO, Calif. – August 13, 2012 – Cubic Corporation (NYSE: CUB) acquired Abraxas Corporation on December 20, 2010. Abraxas Corporation then and now has no affiliation with Abraxas Applications now known as Trapwire, Inc.

    Erroneous reports have linked the company with Trapwire, Inc. Trapwire, Inc. is a risk mitigation technology and services company that builds and markets software products to prevent terrorist threats and criminal attacks.

    Cubic Corporation is the parent company of three major business segments: defense systems, mission support services, and transportation. Cubic Defense Applications, a leading supplier of combat training systems, communications, cyber technologies, and global tracking solutions. Cubic Mission Support Services is a leading provider of training, operations, maintenance, and technical support services. Cubic Transportation Systems is the world’s leading provider of automated fare collection systems and services for public transit authorities. For more information about Cubic, see the company’s Web site at http://www.cubic.com.

  13. greyangel says:

    It’s like an argument. Don’t amount to much if one side refuses to participate. I will continue to live my life like the chump power brokers don’t exist. If they come and get me for being what I am then silly them. Ultimately they can shut me up but they can’t shut up everybody. Just keep on talking. Freedom isn’t free and sometimes you have to pay the price. But I am free as long as I live like I am until they plant me in the ground.

  14. Glenn E. says:

    The greatest advancement in public surveillance, came with getting us to switch over from analog communications, to digital. Because back when we use to talk on all analog telephone systems. The only way to monitor what was said, was to hire human listeners to handle all the variations in human voice and dialects. And obviously, you can only do real time voice analysis and transcription, at a limited rate. Which also limits how many channels can be processed, at once. So the snoops tended to pick and choose who to monitor. Rather than data mining the entire public’s communications, for juicy gems.

    But when things got digitized. And email and text replaced a lot of human real time communications. It became possible to apply pattern searches and such, to all this causal chatter. And high speed computers could do most of the work. Keeping the cost down. The only thing that had to be done, was to keep the public thinking their digitized thoughts, weren’t being monitored by anyone, if they weren’t breaking any laws. Which is how court sanctioned wiretapping use to work.

    Also, anyone claiming it made your communications untraceable and unmonitored. Was to be 100% believable and trustworthy, for its entire lifetime. And not a front, for covert intelligence gathering. Making sure no one can form a movement, that inconveniences big government, without it being known and infiltrated. And rendered useless. Sort of what happened to the Weathermen Underground.

    • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

      The unintended consequences as we march towards SkyNet are many, varied, and far reaching.

  15. JimD, Boston, MA says:

    Looks likeNYC has joined the TrapWire Party ! They will consolidate all their Cams and other sensor inputs and DataMine the whole encillada – and feed it back to DHS of course !!!

  16. JimD, Boston, MA says:

    Don’t forget to cover the Cams and Mics on all your internet connected devices with black electrical tape when you are not using them, you never which Fed will be watching and listening to you !!!

  17. JimD, Boston, MA says:

    Annonymizer a “Honey Pot” !!!

  18. JimD, Boston, MA says:

    TrapWire = Echelon !!!


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