1. Uncle Patso says:

    At the risk of repeating myself :

    “The stage is too big for the drama.” Feynman, 1959.

    From here we can see hundreds of billions of galaxies, each with hundreds of billions of stars. I find it hard to believe the creator of all this takes attendance, or cares who sleeps with whom.

    Of course, that doesn’t mean I don’t believe in right and wrong — our sense of right and wrong is built into our brains and our genes, and is developed and nurtured by society.

    The ten commandments and other systems of ethics are methods for building/maintaining a healthy, successful society — that is, allowing us to live together in groups larger than a dozen or two with a minimum of trouble and strife.

    Much of ethics and religion is mankind still trying to adjust to the switch from hunter-gatherer bands to the larger, more permanent settlements allowed by the invention of agriculture.

    = = = = = = = = = = = =

    Hyph3n says, in part:
    “Please tell me the great scientific achievements of the Amish?”

    They have largely figured out how to live in a world after the oil is gone.

    • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

      “The Stage is too big for the Drama.” /// Catches the issue perfectly and yet somehow itself is not big enough? Not “evocative” enough? Not attention grabbing enough? More the work of a thoughtful scientist than a word smith.

      What could we substitute. Of course with that Carl Sagan drifiting through the Cosmos Music going on at the same time?

      ………………………….It is what it is.
      ………………………….It is what it is, and we are nothing.
      ………………………….Look, just LOOK!

      Nah. I got nothing. Amusing that as big, large, infinite and unknowable as it is, it means nothing… our hour upon the stage… and then, out like a match.

  2. dcphill says:

    Who created the Bible and can you prove it?

  3. Here in TN, they have taken steps though new legislation to allow creationism back into the classroom. This law turns the clock back nearly 100 years here in the seemingly unprogressive South and is simply embarrassing. There is no argument against the Theory of Evolution other than that of religious doctrine. The Monkey Law only opens the door for fanatic Christianity to creep its way back into our classrooms. You can see my visual response as a Tennessean to this absurd law on my artist’s blog at http://dregstudiosart.blogspot.com/2012/04/pulpit-in-classroom-biblical-agenda-in.html with some evolutionary art and a little bit of simple logic.

    • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

      A little art and multi-media sure does spruce up a blogspot.

      Well done.

  4. HUGSaLOT says:

    ignoring Bill Nye.. I get the feeling John and Adam are completely anti-science.

  5. Mr Ed says:

    All religions are bunk. There are no gods, period. Belief in creationism is a fool’s most defining moment.
    I really feel sorry for those who have been so badly taken in by religious types without a single scrap of real evidence. So sad.

    • Bob73 says:

      Presuming there might be someone out here that cares, please give us your particular definition of “real” evidence.

      • Thomas says:

        Tangible, repeatable, logical proof based entirely on observable phenomena which can be verified by unbiased parties in an objective manner.

      • Thomas says:

        Let me add that it starts with a falsifiable hypothesis.

  6. orchidcup says:

    A tyrant must put on the appearance of uncommon devotion to religion.

    Subjects are less apprehensive of illegal treatment from a ruler whom they consider god-fearing and pious.

    — Aristotle (384-322 BC) Greek philosopher

  7. deowll says:

    The guy is free to express his views as is everyone else. Reality is that we are supremely ignorant about how the Universe came to be or even what the Universe really is or how it operates. That being the case one ignoramuses ignorant blathering is just about as likely to be correct as any other’s which should take the heat out of the debate but obviously doesn’t.

    Please don’t give me the “Science knows” bit. The really smart scientists don’t hesitate to tell you just how little they really do know about this topic.

    • John says:

      We actually know a lot about the origins of the universe, and it’s honestly fascinating as hell. If you want some suggestions on books, articles, or documentaries about this stuff, let me know (I am being serious).

      And then you start calling people ignoramus. :/ Let’s try to be a bit more mature please?

      But all that aside… I don’t understand why science is such a perceived threat. What if Genesis was metaphorical? Science is nothing but the formalized observation of the universe. If anything science should make you feel closer to God because it helps you understand his creation better.

      • orchidcup says:

        What if Genesis was metaphorical?

        What if it is not? Maybe Genesis is a cosmology invented by Iron Age scribes in an attempt to explain their existence.

        If anything science should make you feel closer to God because it helps you understand his creation better.

        Presumably God is everywhere all the time, an omniscient being without form. I don’t know how anyone could get closer to God under those circumstances.

        Science is the exact opposite of magical thinking. If you understand why God would create humans for the sole purpose of worshiping Him then please explain.

        • John says:

          Wow you sure are being hostile. I was just pointing out that it’s possible for a Christian to both believe the Bible and to be excited about science at the same time. I am not a Christian and was not trying to argue religion, I was just saying “Hey Christians out there, don’t let science get under your skin so much, it’s kind of cool.”

          • Science and religion will always be at odds, and trying to reconcile the two is a fool’s errand. Just one example is the famous story of the Wise Men, taking place in the very early part of the Christian story. Among other things, it asserts the validity of astrology as a valid channel through which the Creator of the Universe communicates to human beings. The Magi couldn’t have understood the Savior’s celestial birth announcement without a significant amount of successful practice in reading similar messages from God in the skies, so this was definitely not a one-time communication. When you think about it, it’s disturbing how many messages from the Creator that we might be missing due to our ignorance of astrological methodology.

            Perhaps if we allowed more Christian influence in our public schools, we could bring the age-old “science” of astrology back to its rightful place of prominence, thereby bringing us all closer to our Creator and Savior. Maybe we should study astrology in place of evolution.

            Bad ideas are never in short supply.

          • John says:

            Gary it’s attitudes like that that turn away inquisitive minds. It’s never bad to learn more about the world around you regardless of your belief system.

  8. Guyver says:

    Up to the parents to decide until the child reaches their own conclusions as they get older.

    Otherwise just another person who wants the government to supersede parental rights.

    • noname says:

      Guyver you are so right.

      Unless the parent conduct is abusive, they have the right to teach their Children their beliefs.

      It’s naive and a very dangerous tack for the government to take. I understand and appreciate Bill Nye’s concerns, but; he is wrong in directing parents not to share their life’s understanding.

      There always has been a billion things parents are scientifically wrong about. Parents have historically enjoyed the right to be less then perfect.

      It only should become a governmental matter, when it becomes abusive.

      Expecting and enforcing governmental policing of Scientific accuracy in Parenting will only spread into other areas of life. It would become a loveless following of governmental approved discussions, resulting in an immediate squelching of creative speech and create a drive towards the “one approved standard” of scientific individual conformity and commonality.

      America would become an abysmal and dead society. The communist tried aspects of this.

  9. Skippy says:

    So, parents should have the right to teach and ingrain into their childrens psyche whatever strange notions and beliefs they happen to have. No matter how idiotic, barbaric, or disgusting. Because the parents freedom to do this is more important than the welfare of their childrens mental or spiritual condition. Is that about the size of it?

    • noname says:

      It’s a matter of who you trust more to be in charge of a child’s belief system, the inevitably imperfect parent(s) or the inevitably imperfect bureaucrat.

      What you don’t seem to understand is that strange notions and beliefs are not limited only to parents.

      I challenge you to point out any system, government, scientific agency or any institution that has never promoted strange notions and beliefs.


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