I remember hearing that the other Muslim countries around the Middle East did not want to take them in. Also, that the Palestinians keep themselves in their camps as propaganda against Israel. And so on. Many rumors and stories and whatnot. Some true, some Israeli propaganda in there for sure. There are also many stories in the main stream media about the abuse and deaths the Israelis heap upon them. The Israeli lobby in the US probably outstrips the tobacco, gun, and a few others combined. Hard to know what’s real and not. So, what about this chart? Does it say anything useful these days?

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  1. gold account says:

    This is a very powerful documentary about the United States’ development and use of nuclear weapons of mass destruction. It focuses on the obvious propaganda campaign by the US Government to convince Americans that nuclear war was survivable, and the use of nuclear weapons against other nations was therefore acceptable policy. Produced at a time when most Americans were still very naive about the extent of US Government propaganda, this documentary was actually banned inside the United States until the sheer volume of bootleg copies made the ban pointless, and a political embarrassment. If you have not seen it, this is a must watch. If you have NetFlix, it is also available there.

  2. Ephraim says:

    Funny how things can be selective. And of course choosing times is also selective, especially since these were mandates and provinces, not countries. But if my memory serves, Palestine seems to be missing all the land to the east of the Jordan river that was part of the original Palestine…. separated by the British and renamed Trans-Jordan. Then after the annexation of the West Bank by Trans-Jordan renamed Jordan. Of course, then you have to deal with the question of is Jordan a Palestinian territory…. (my head hurts!)

    See discussions like http://www.danielpipes.org/298/is-jordan-palestine

    • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

      How does what you post change “anything” about the real politik issues at hand? A minority culture within a larger culture unwilling to accept anything except the overthrow of the majority culture?

      You can pick ANY historical reference you want and they are all IRRELEVANT. What counts is NOW and the future.

      If you don’t kill someone who wants you dead, eventually, you will be killed. A reality, no matter who is talking.

      Same as it ever was.

      • Ephraim says:

        Because if you show Palestine from the date of the Ottoman empire, it’s much larger and would be mostly green, since Jordan is part of British Palestinian mandate.

  3. Glenn E. says:

    According to Wikipedia, there’s only 572 million more Jews living in Israel (estimated), than in the US as if 2010.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_population_by_country

    But both are in the top two, with 5.3 billion plus. After that, France was only 483 million. And most of those Israeli Jews weren’t born there. So where do you suppose most of them came from? That’s why the US has the largest Pro-Israel lobby.

    • Ephraim says:

      About 70% of the population is native born, meaning that they were born and raised in Israel. If I remember correctly the first Prime Minister who was native was Yigal Alon, born in the time of the Ottoman Empire occupation. Yitzchak Rabin was born in the time of the British occupation. The first born in “Israel” after 1948 was Netanyahu.

      And that is millions, not billions.

  4. bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

    Glenn–you are only off by a factor of 1000.

    eg==total population of USA is 320MM

    Ephraim–I don’t know what point you are trying to make. But as a general point from me: those who get overly wrapped up in the history of anything are generally irrelevant/or part of the problem as the history can’t be changed so the position that flows from it is “right” and also can’t be changed. As stated though–while history does have an important role, its not as important as NOW and the future. What do we do starting now? All historical claims on land by anyone anywhere at anytime is complete BS.

    Land is always held by might, not right.

  5. Not bad, I agree with Bobbo.