There are times when you just shake you head in wonder at how stupid we must look to the world when they see people like this who think something you’re born with (like skin color, height, etc) can be changed.

State lawmakers have approved a bill that would establish a first-of-its-kind ban on a controversial form of psychotherapy aimed at making gay teenagers straight.
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Supporters say SB1172 is needed because sexual conversion treatments are dangerous and can cause teens to commit suicide. Conservative religious groups and some Republicans argue that banning conversion therapy would hinder parents’ right to provide psychological care for their children. Mainstream mental health organizations have disavowed such therapy, but it is still practiced in California.

Democratic Senator Ted Lieu, of Torrance, who wrote the bill, says sexual orientation therapy amounts to “psychological abuse of children.”



  1. Supreme Ultrahuman (I see the comment system is still designed for retards.) says:

    Gay/Straight. Who gives a shit? Does this issue contribute to more Americans living in big houses located at least 20 mi. from their jobs, and driving 4x4s powered buy cheap domestic gas at least 20K miles per year? If not STFU – it’s irrelevant. Fix the important shit first dammit.

    • NobodySpecial says:

      Well the group least likely to live in a McMansion in the suburbs with a pickup, barbecue, and 5 children are gays.

      • pedro says:

        The only thing they can’t do is the “having 5 kids” part. Everything else they can do it and are doing it now

  2. Billy Bob says:

    I disagree with you, therefore we must pass a law to make your opinion illegal.

  3. Anonymous says:

    This is all so pathetically stupid.

    If you’re gay then fine. I personally find it repugnant and try to avoid it like a bad smell. But I don’t let my (distasteful) opinion cloud my judgement either. I say we should let homosexuals enjoy the same rights and privileges that everyone else is allowed to enjoy. And as long as there’s any sort of governmental arm recognizing it then I even say homosexual couples should even be allowed to get married too. No “civil unions” either – Marriage!

    JUST DON’T ARGUE THAT HOMOSEXUALITY IS SOMEHOW “NORMAL” BECAUSE IT CLEARLY ISN’T! Not having fully functioning body parts is also not normal. But that doesn’t mean we don’t accept ALL PEOPLE into American SOCIETY.

    And when you start talking about “cures” for something then I also say, great! But that too is a little too subjective when you take it a step further and start imposing cures or taking involuntary preventative measures. You only do that when an obvious and immediate threat to the health of other individuals is at risk. And even then, we often think twice about it.

    But homosexuality is no such threat. Homosexuality is not a condition or illness that can be transmitted or caught. And even if it were it’s not something that will kill anyone. (And don’t go off about AIDS here either. You’re clearly a complete idiot if you actually think that AIDS is the result of homosexuality or some kind of divine condemnation.)

    And just like cancer, it’s up to each individual as to whether or not they want “treatment.”

    Personally, I find the hatred and ridicule of homosexuals very curious when these condemnations come from religious people who are always reminding us to love our neighbors. Very damned curious. That’s no different than hating someone because they are blind or deaf.

    I may agree with the condemnations when it comes to acts of consenting homosexuality but that doesn’t give me – or you – any sort of right to enforce what other people do. In fact, it’s not our decision to force what consenting heterosexual people do either.

    So believe what you want. I do. But you better be objective when it comes to the rest of the real world – and humanity. Else you might start another WAR!

    • What? says:

      Rational thought is dangerous, and must be banned as is upsets the balance of power. Rule by fear is the best rule.

    • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

      Define Normal.

      Not to interfere with that exercise, homosexuality is known through out the animal kingdom appearing in different percentages in different species.

      Its known in all human societies in all countries and at all times in recorded history.

      It increases the fecundity of females.

      A normal distribution of almost every characteristic you can name takes a bell shaped curve.

      If something is always present, how can it not be normal?

      Might you characterize whatever your issue is with some more precise term?

      • Dallas says:

        This is why I like you :-) Well, sheeple do like to ‘narrow the normal’ as the NIH often jokes. It’s also a short hop to a new medicine to an overmedicated country. From adolescence to adulthood we expect drugs to fix “problems’ we fear.

    • orchidcup says:

      I wish everybody could be normal like me.

      Unfortunately, I am the only normal person.

    • John says:

      There is no such thing as normal. We are all weird and fucked up in our own unique ways. But good on you for saying live and let live!

      • bobbo, we think with words, and flower with ideas says:

        Yeah, except he’s not really saying that.

        Its like he sets your house on fire and then says he hopes you get out.

  4. sargasso_c says:

    Not long ago they were lobotomising the intellectually handicapped. In some places they are sterilising the poor. Putting lithium in the water? Now how about a medical procedure to save the parents from embarrassment at cocktail parties? This is an ethical problem with the medical profession, not a “fix” for a behavioural “problem”.

    • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

      Not to quibble but I rarely see the chance to do so with you: lobotomies were for psychiatric conditions not including the intellectually handicapped. Still used today for the same conditions…. just not as often as pills achieve the same effect without breaking bones.

    • orchidcup says:

      Chemical lobotomies are available for anyone that can get a prescription.

      Since the mid-1950s such psychosurgery has been largely abandoned in favor of less radical means of treatment, e.g., the administration of tranquilizers and other chemical substances. Most psychiatrists today do not view lobotomy as an acceptable form of treatment.

  5. pedro says:

    So it’s genetic, not a choice. Thank god we settled that one.

    One gene manipulation away from the cure

  6. Taxed Enough Already Dude says:

    If we allow Progressive premise people are born straight or gay, then how many gays have Obama and the Demoncrats killed via abortions:

    http://breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/08/23/President-Infanticide-Dem-Plank-Partial-Birth

    President Infanticide: Dem Abortion Platform Does Not Exclude Partial-Birth Abortion

    http://cdn.breitbart.com/mediaserver/Breitbart/Big-Government/2012/Obamas/babies-with-obama-1040sp-01-081310.jpg

    • tj says:

      Didn’t know Obama performed abortions.

      How many abortions could be avoided with better access to birth control?

      How many gay people get abortions?

      What does being gay have to do with abortion anyway?

    • John says:

      Completely off topic.

  7. jimbo says:

    They should have ‘shopped the toggle switch in the image about 15 inches further down.

  8. TThor says:

    Ludicrous!

    Relax, don’t do it….

  9. JimD, Boston, MA says:

    Gays and Women’s Issues are just WEDGE ISSUES the 1% use to get the 99% to VOTE AGAINST THEIR OWN ECONOMIC INTERESTS !!! When the Repukes get into office, THE FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS TO GIVE THE CORPORATIONS AND THE WEALTHY ***AS BIG A TAX CUT AS THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH !!!” Happened under Reagan, and it happened under “W” too !!! And don’t forget, Rove and “W” were in the WH calling the Evangelicals NUT JOBS !!! And All the while the National Debt SKYROCKETED, and now they Repukes tell us we have to “balance the budget” and “pay off the National Debt” on the backs of the Working Class, Seniors, the Poor, even Unionized Workers in the Cities and States !!! The Repukes say “There is no more money !” Well, there is PLENTY OF MONEY – WE JUST NEED A NATIONAL GOVERNMENT WITH THE BALLS TO ***SOAK THE RICH*** AS FDR DID TO PUT AN END TO THE DEPRESSION OF THE ’30s” !