Not hard to find other instances like this one. But it doesn’t have as much weight as Romney’s constant gaffs since 1) he isn’t president or running for it, 2) he’s Joe Biden; what do you expect?

Vice President Joe Biden said Monday that Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney is so out of touch with regular Americans that he thinks the middle class extends to people making up to $250,000. But Biden apparently forgot that that’s the same benchmark that President Barack Obama and congressional Democrats regularly use when talking about extending the Bush-era tax cuts for the middle class.



  1. PMitch says:

    ? I believe Biden’s use of the 250,000 mark is where the 1% start that pay less to no taxes and pretend that the 99% should be thankful that we are allowed to go through their trash to make ends meet.

    • msbpodcast says:

      You made my point very eloquently. I have nothing to add.

      The 1% are all under the delusion that they represent the 99%.

      • deowll says:

        No they just pay most of the taxes. I’m not one of them but I’m not ignorant enough to have failed to note who pays taxes and who doesn’t.

  2. NobodySpecial says:

    I think it’s just a question of direction.

    Democrats think anyone making upto $250k is middle class. Anyone above that is a fat cat 1% who is to blame for everything including the weather – unless they are a supporter of course.

    Republicans think anyone making more than $250k is middle class. Anyone below that is a government handout scrounger is so poor and stupid they probably even pay income tax!

    • deowll says:

      Considering what the settlement the Chicago teacher’s Union got is worth and what a lot of working class people make at various locations I’d say that anything up to 100,000 may be blue collar and middle class may go as high as a million.

      Why would I say a stupid thing like that? What is a sliver dollar or a twenty dollar gold piece worth now? It’s inflation.

  3. soundwash says:

    I’m waiting for the day he lets slip that the goal for
    both parties is to eliminate the middle class.

    -now that’ll be some truth in politics to be sure.

    -s

    • orchidcup says:

      True enough.

      But the 1% fail to realize that eliminating the middle class also eliminates the river bottom where they feed.

      Being at the top of the food chain tends to cause the 1% to lose perspective of how they came to be at the top of the food chain in the first place.

      They are cutting their nose off to spite their face. Brilliant.

  4. bobbo, we think with words, and flower with ideas says:

    My goodness what an abysmal failure to understand the context in which generalizations gain meaning: Biden–a benefit being extended TO the Middle Class up to and including to $250K whereas Romoney was talking about where the middle class BEGINS– at 200-250K or lower which really is a mathematically meaningless measure “if” that was your point, which its not.

    Basic literacy is lacking in this faulty comparison.

    As Mark Twain might say—the difference between lightning and a lightning bug.

    Words may be nearly the same but have quite different meanings.

    Really. I’ll give you a mulligan and be happy they are so rarely earned.

    • xyz says:

      This response (Bobbo) said all I want to say. Very well said, Bobbo ! The person who post the original post (Uncle Dave) is the one who put his foot into his own mouth.

      • bobbo, we think with words, and flower with ideas says:

        Thanks xyz—Uncle Dave rarely fails like this==same for our other contributors/moderators. Its early in the morning for most of our editors.

        In fact, I fail more often than our moderators, but mostly its typo’s which we commentators can’t really correct. Uncle Dave is open to that.

        Few of us can stand admitting that we misunderstood, or worse can’t understand, an issue that others say constitute a simple mistake. Hopefully, like politics itself, people can be honest with themselves, if not with the public?

    • Mextli: ABO says:

      In the article we find this quote, “He thinks the middle class is $200,000 to $250,000. Whoa! Whoa!” Biden said to cheers.”

      What are those of us that are mathematically challenged to make of that?

      Biden = Bluster & Bullshit

      • bobbo, we think with words, and flower with ideas says:

        He was quoting Romoney. Isn’t the bluster and BS on Romoney’s part?

        Seems this thread is bringing out a lot of misplaced non-sequitors.

        If you aren’t fubared, I really don’t understand the point you are making.

        Little Help?

        • Mextli: ABO says:

          I don’t see where he is quoting Romney. At best it was rabble-rousing, a Biden trademark. Like I said, no substance just bluster and bullshit. Whoa! Whoa!

          I suppose that’s his job as “attack dog” for his master but it gets old.

          • bobbo, we think with words, and flower with ideas says:

            Mextli–you express the nadir of what is wrong when the two party system takes over our democratic party: candidates run to represent one faction against the other rather than to serve us all.

            Of course, Romoney has been exposed as such a partisan and it is wholly substantive to point out who is running for which faction.

            If you don’t pay income tax, Romoney has written you off as anyone he can possibly deal with. “In a sense” I can agree with him that this is a legitimate issue as part of electioneering, but I do suspect strongly it goes deeper than that, as deep as his entire life experience.

            Like Reagan–he would feel compassion for any poor person he met, and like Reagan==he would never understand or care HOW the person became poor or HOW to help the person escape poverty. (Hint in both cases: not be relieving the poor person of capital gains tax). Unlike Reagan, Romoney would not give the poor person he personally met his own shirt. Missionaries learn how to separate themselves from that.

  5. Say it isn't so says:

    Don’t forget that this guy is heir to the presidency.

    • bobbo, we think with words, and flower with ideas says:

      Do you mean like name the last VP candidate that was actually qualified to be President? Hmmm….I’ll give that honor to Algore.

      Don’t forget, Rmoney chooses Lyin’ Ryan.

    • msbpodcast says:

      If only the secret service weren’t under to shoot him (just like they were for Quayle.)

      There is no heir to the presidency, there is merely an order to succession.

      This reality, not Game of Thrones

  6. Taxed Enough Already Dude says:

    They ridiculed Biden’s partition Iraq solution, but as it becomes an Iranian suburb the idea of a free Kurdish territory that would be pro usa makes sense.

    And I believe it was his idea to vastly increase the Drones while pulling out troops.

    But as a shameless shill for Obama I can’t respect him, he must know the destruction being done to our country and yet shills for it.

  7. NewformatSux says:

    That is probably true in some of the wealthier Democratic states or Democratic enclaves of states. Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, $250k is probably middle class. Many years ago, Mickey Kaus blogged that LA median income is $150K.

    • bobbo, we think with words, and flower with ideas says:

      Its probably true you think you can make words mean anything you want to by flapping your lips and then repeating it until everyone is ready to puke?

      Dictionary.

  8. UncDon says:

    We need to rewrite the Constitution to allow for a monarchy, and be done with this buffoonery called the Vice President.

    • bobbo, we think with words, and flower with ideas says:

      Who would take over on the death of the Monarch?

      I’ve often thought the VP should take over ALL the ceremonial aspects of the job thereby allowing the Pres more time to golf.

      Silly what we make the Pres do.

      • pedro says:

        I think nobody is better than Biden or most of the veeps that have in the WH

        • GregAllen says:

          I like Biden.

          People always CLAIM they want politicans who don’t do the whole political BS thing.

          But they beat the hell out of plain-speaking politicicians.

          I also like Biden because he pokes conservatives with a stick. They hate that.

  9. Gildersleeve says:

    I honestly think Obama picked Biden because Biden is such a buffoon; no matter what gaffes the President makes, he’s got his Vice in the background doing the chicken dance.

    If Obama is re-elected, Joe would do the office and his boss a favor and shut-up for the next four years.

    • msbpodcast says:

      Not if but when Obama is re-elected (regardless of what I think of the little skinny n[expletive deleted]er,) Biden doesn’t have to shut up at all.

      Biden is in the enviable position of not having to give a fuck about what he say until the next election cycle starts up in 2015.

      O’Mama, Mittenz, Biden, Cryin’ Ryan… It doesn’t matter worth a fuckin’ damn.

      In the morning of November 6th, 2012 there’ll still be a millionnaire in the white house who doesn’t have a fucking clue how to fix a toilet leak, never mind an economy that’s hemorrhaging jobs.

      It’ll be the same on November 2nd, 2016.

  10. Dallas says:

    Don’t conpare Biden to Romney. One is running as President the other is merely a spare tire. Smaller and slightly under inflated.

    Romney has no excuse to be the buffoon he is.

    • orchidcup says:

      Romney has no excuse to be the buffoon he is.

      Technically, Willard does have a valid excuse.

      He was born into the privileged wealthy class, he subsisted off the welfare checks provided by his daddy, and he was always insulated from reality and sequestered in the gilded halls of corporate royalty and entitlement.

      He is an aristocrat, plain and simple.

      He needs to be taken out into the streets and put to work where the real people live and die and struggle.

      It is not his fault he grew up privileged and protected.

      • The Monster's Lawyer says:

        I almost feel sorry for him. :o(…..No, I’m ok now, it was only gas….sorry.

      • Dallas says:

        Excellent point! I also like the term aristocrat, good fit.

        • orchidcup says:

          As a conservative, I could vote for the Republican Party if it were not for the Republicans that populate the party.

          If the Republican Party would rid themselves of the religious nutballs, white supremacists, radical right-wing extremists, and aristocrat buffoons, I could consider being a Republican.

          As it stands, I have no political party.

          • orchidcup says:

            On second thought, if all of those things were removed from the Republican Party, there would be perhaps ten people left in the party.

            I should found a new conservative party.

            The Not Democrat Or Republican Party.

            Send your donations to me. I will save you from your sins and send you a prayer cloth and a Bible with all the bullshit removed.

        • pedro says:

          DUllass is looking for a rich & aristocratic sugar daddy to support his shopping sprees

  11. Captain Obvious says:

    Obviously with Romney has the ball into the rough. Ryan is doing damage control as the voice the poor. It’s up to Joe now to derail Obama’s campaign.

    • orchidcup says:

      It truly is entertaining to watch both political parties make asses of themselves during a campaign.

      • pedro says:

        Indeed. So much so that SNL is becoming mildly funny again.

        • NewformatSux says:

          Heard Seth Meyers interviewed by Bill Simmons, and both are in agreement that there is just no angle with which to make fun of Obama.

  12. GregAllen says:

    As I remember it, $250,000 was a concession to the GOP.

  13. NewformatSux says:

    Since Labor Day, the media have released about 20 polls [sadly the link no longer works] on the presidential race. Three show a dead heat, one shows Romney leading by a single percentage point, and the rest show Obama leading by one to 10 points. In the latest polls, Obama leads by an average of five points. It’s fashionable at this stage to caution that “anything can happen,” that Romney is “retooling,” and that the numbers can turn in Romney’s favor just as easily as they turned against him. But they can’t. The numbers are moving toward Obama because fundamental dynamics tilt the election in his favor. The only question has been how far those dynamics would carry him. Now that he has passed Romney, the race is over.

    From Slate.
    One more thing, I put in the names Romney and Obama in place of Bush and Gore.

    • bobbo, we think with words, and flower with ideas says:

      Define: fundamental dynamics

      Already Demonstrated: cherry picking.

      Pat on head: good boy.

  14. NewformatSux says:

    “Guess what, the cheerleaders in college are the best athletes in college,’’ VPOTUS told them. “You think, I’m joking, they’re almost all gymansts, the stuff they do on hard wood, it blows my mind.’’