Yeah. This is a good idea. It worked so well before.

From states across the country, Americans have filed petitions on the White House Web site seeking to secede from the union and form new state governments. While most of the petitions come from states that supported Mitt Romney in last week’s election, a few swing states and even the deep blue Northeast are represented.

Petitions have been filed for Alabama, Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oregon, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Texas.

  1. bobbo, one true Liberal recognizing Obama is too far Right says:

    Huge difference between an approved voluntary petition and secession.

    America united, they way we did to the degree we did, because of our common enemy aka the British Empire. ((Interesting recent article on the UK–that they have invaded or fought 98% or so of every country on Earth. They “civilized” the world.)) Once that outside uniting interest no longer exists, then continuing self seeking interests begin to fractionate each mother loving son wanting to set himself up as his own island state.

    Idiocracy: what really would happen if every malcontent was allowed to go their own way? The 300 or so German States of the Middle Ages would only be the start. Zip Codes broken down by street? Home Owners Associations all a hotbed of individuals calling for their personal freedom. All immediately subject to a larger outside aggressive interest taking control by force as has been the lesson of History.

    Yes, its all very short sighted, self centered, and very unaware. What we need is a stronger Mexico to shake us all up. Keeping drugs illegal should cause that to happen in another few years.

    Silly Hoomans.

  2. MikieV says:

    Are all these people applying for sucession going to start refusing to say the Pledge of Allegiance?

    Or at least this part: “…One nation, under God, indivisible…”

    • MikieV says:

      Of course, they are all late to the party because Rick Perry was dropping hints about Texas having the right to secede way back during the Primaries.

      He wasn’t waiting for Obama to win re-election like these Johnny-come-latelies.

  3. Chucky Cheese says:


    All the little uneducated shit-headed comments I’ve been reading are merely testament to the pathetic failure of our education system(s). Because what I keep seeing are numerous idiots who keep professing their FAITH IN GOVERNMENT without facts or their FAITH IN GOD without common sense! Either that or they’re simply trying to annoy people like a turd that won’t fall off.

    So here’s an idea. GET THE FUCK OFF THE COMPUTER AND GO DO SOMETHING POSITIVE! Try reading a history book cover to cover. If you like the slightly revisionist liberal slant on things then try Howard Zinn’s crap. But for me, I’ll stick with David McCullough.

    Because arguing with an idiot is like arguing with a dead person – IT’S POINTLESS! (BTW, Dead people have brains too. They just can’t use them any more. What’s your excuse?!)

  4. UncDon says:

    Why doesn’t someone break off a chunk of North and South Dakota and call it East Idaho? We have north, south, and west covered in state’s names, but there is no East-something. It’s about time we did.

    • UncDon says:

      Oh, wait … Montana is just east of Idaho.

      Guess that’s the reason there isn’t an East Idaho.

  5. dittmv says:

    Writing letters to the legislators to introduce measures to make this happen is a more viable strategy.

    In a few days when some of these petitions hit 25 thousand signatures we will see the Obama administration simply ignore this and pretend like it never happened on the surface. Then we can expect to see Obama treat this issue like the birth certificate issue. He will send his mouthpieces out to dismiss the issue and dodge it in a non-convincing way so as to encourage the opposition–anything to keep secession in the news so that Obama can complain that secession is in the news rather than his pet issue.

  6. Taxed Enough Already Dude says:

    Secession is a last resort, and completely unwarranted. Its very possible, as the economy tanks under Obama’s burdensome regulations, price of energy skyrockets because of his cap & trade and anti carbon fuel program, that his popularity will drop.

    Blaming Bush won’t work as well as in the past.

    Then we retake the Senate in 2014, and impeach him for any one of the dozens of high crimes and misdemeanors he is guilty of. He is target rich, from withdrawing air support to the seal in Libya, fast and furious gun sales to Al Qaeda and the Drug Cartels, various frauds employed to be elected…target rich.

    Then we can overturn Obama care quite easily, its a tax and any tax can be rescinded.

    • msbpodcast says:

      Yeah, ’cause we so fuckin’ happy with the insurance industry’s pay all you can health-don’t-care system.

      Go suck Richard Nixon‘s long dead cock while the insurance industry denies you coverage for pre-existing conditions, like you were born…

      • Taxed Enough Already Dude says:

        Struck a nerve, did I? That’s how we conservatives know truth had an impact, the rabid foaming at the mouth liberal reaction.

        Fact, Obama care is piss poor insurance that is overpriced…you are fully insured right up to the day you get sick and try to use it….

        Many doctors will not take it, they’ll opt out.

        You can’t force them to take it, so rationing will begin. As you wait and wait for that sex change operation Obama care will pay for….you’ll grow old and die still in your wedding dress.

      • Moran says:

        Your King Obama did the deal WITH the insurance companies’ best interests at heart! Not your precious 1%! He doesn’t give a shit about the plebs.

        • Phydeau says:

          Absolutely… so will you wingnuts please stop calling him a Socialist?

        • Taxed Enough Already Dude says:

          Partially Incorrect, Pelosi/Reid wrote the bill with affected companies, extorting money from them with a view to expanding the “protection racket” to about 1/6th of the US economy.

          That’s the game. They regulate, not for the good of the society, but to make remaining in buisness profitably impossible…which makes hiring lobbyists necessary….and no plant ever grew without plenty of money to keep the regulators at bay.

          During Bush’s reign, Republicans joined Democrats in the scam, growing government 40%…which tanked the economy.

          Too much regulation causing the recession to start in 2007. Of course Democrats swept into power and quickly ramped up the regulation gravy train, tanking the economy and the blow back caused the housing bubble to burst…the rest you know.

        • Phydeau says:

          LOL, too much regulation… Alfie, you’re a card.

          Thanks for providing us a window into the thought processes of the nutball right wing, Alfie. You provide a valuable service here. :)

          • Taxed Enough Already Dude says:

            Yes, regulation kills businesses, and business creation, as the late George McGovern said he learned running a small business. Google it:

            “I’m for a clean environment and economic justice,” McGovern wrote in 1993, but those worthy goals do not justify “the incredible paperwork, the complicated tax forms, the number of minute regulations, and the seemingly endless reporting requirements that afflict American business.” Many small businesses “simply can’t pass such costs on to their customers and remain competitive or profitable.” To his credit, he didn’t just absorb the lesson that overregulation stifles enterprise: He also expressed pangs for not learning it earlier. “That knowledge would have made me a better legislator and a more worthy aspirant to the White House.”


    • msbpodcast says:

      Then we can overturn Obama care quite easily, its a tax and any tax can be rescinded.

      When has any tax benefiting industry ever been rescinded?

      We’re still paying Colt money for the deliveries of Gatling guns from before Lincoln’s assassination.

      We’re still paying the telcos surcharges and high rates for getting fibre to the home and have been doing so since the sixties and the roll out has barely started just last year.

      The insurance industry’s going to be lobbying for the extra income that they’ll be getting while coming up with creative reasons for denying us coverage anyway, so you know they’re actually going to be for it.

      • Taxed Enough Already Dude says:

        Its too unpopular a tax, far worse than what King George did, which led to a revolution.

        51 Senators all that is needed to overturn it, as that was all it took to pass it.

        We have to oust Bonehead Boehner and his fellow Big Government Republicans, and then we can make it happen.

  7. Hyph3n says:

    Considering most of those states take more federal monies than they give, they should all be a libertarians paradise just like Somalia.

    Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

    • Taxed Enough Already Dude says:

      We’re not going anywhere, its Obama and crew that’s leaving, high crimes and misdemeanors await prosecution once we retake the Senate.

      Unlike Clinton, he will be forced out, imprisoned for his many crimes.

      That will occur as his anti American policies and covert regulation kicks in, and tanks the economy so badly even those who blamed Bush, will blame him.

      Hard to believe even numbnuts will wake up, but it will be that bad.

      • Hyph3n says:

        I will take that bet. If Obama is NOT in jail come 2016, you have to vote Democrat for President. If he is, I’ll vote Republican.

      • So what says:

        That’s our alfie, you know he voted Obama so he can bitch for the next four years.

  8. greyangel says:

    Really!? REALLY!? Are we really that stupid? I keep trying to tell myself this country hasn’t gotten this bad but you keep proving me wrong. READ THE EFFING FOUNDING DOCUMENTS! The founding fathers understood what they were doing and did it ONLY because there really was no reasoning with England and people were dying! You people have let all the meaningless trivialities rot your brains. No idea what consequences really are. Children playing house with each other. Get an effing life and quit trying to act like you understand anything.

  9. Todd Peterson, MA says:

    The US is doomed and is going to fragment within 50 yrs, possibly already within the next 20.

    • Taxed Enough Already Dude says:

      Or the best days of America are yet ahead, the 21st century will be called “the American century”.

      The only thing stopping that, is progressive tyranny…the soft tyranny of Big Government preventing wealth creation by fiat, excessive regulation and wealth destruction by distribution from producers to consumers.

      We have untold riches in energy, which if exploited, would devastate Al Qaeda and its Oil Sheik backers. Iran would be impoverished if oil returned to $40 or less a barrel, which it would if we exploited what we have.

      We have the most entrepreneurial people on the planet, the best inventors etc…if only the Government would get out of their way and stop misdirecting research to lunatic pursuits…the free market much better at allocating resources.

      And we have statists who long for the good old days of the factory and union worker…whose ideas are right out of the Depression era….who will make happen, what you predict.

      Which way will America go? Most empires self destruct when freeloaders outnumber producers…we are at that point now…which way will it tip?

  10. Uncle Patso says:

    I lived in Texas a long while and I was always impressed with how many U.S. military bases were there. Here’s a partial list:

    U.S. Military Major Bases and Installations


    Major Installations


    Fort Bliss
    Red River Army Depot
    Fort Hood
    Sam Houston/Camp Bullis
    Ingleside Army Depot

    Navy & Marine Corps

    Corpus Christi Naval Air Station/Naval Hospital/Naval Station
    Kingsville Naval Air Station

    Air Force

    Randolph AFB
    Brooks City Base
    Lackland AFB
    Sheppard AFB
    Air Force Plant 4 (formerly Carswell AFB)
    Dyess AFB
    Goodfellow AFB
    Laughlin AFB

    Coast Guard

    Corpus Christi
    VTS Houston/Galveston
    Air Station Corpus Christi
    Air Station Houston
    Search and Rescue Station Freeport
    Search and Rescue Station Port Aransas
    Marine Safety Unit Port Arthur
    VTS Port Arthur
    Marine Safety Unit Texas City

    Personnel Totals

    Army 60,945
    Navy & Marine Corps 6,909
    Air Force 40,981
    Coast Guard 1,409
    Active Duty Military 108,835
    Reserve and National Guard 84,721
    Total Personnel 194,965

    Above Information Courtesy of American Forces News Service

    As far as I can tell, this doesn’t even count the civilian workers that support these installations. Then there are all the defense contractors and their offices, factories and logistics infrastructure. That plus all the other federal agencies with local offices should bring the federal workforce in Texas to more than half a million.

    The prospect of losing that many jobs all at once should give any sane person pause. That, and the idea mentioned in an above comment that a state should pay off its share of the national debt before being allowed to leave….

  11. Grandpa says:

    I wonder how many petitions have been filed to bring Mexico on as a state?

  12. Micromike says:

    If the feds continue to refuse to operate under the Constitution we should all secede. Obama’s use of the drone program to commit serial murder is the most Un-American thing I have ever heard of. I voted for him once but he just made things worse, as did the congress and the supreme court who thinks corporations are persons. We need to trash this government and go on as individual states or create a new federal government that might prevent these constant abuses in the future.

    The only other organization, I know of, that goes to war with you when you want to quit is the MAFIA. That perfectly describes the gangs that are the republicans and the democrats who fight for control of our corrupt-as-hell government.

  13. Toad says:

    All of this just proves one thing. Americans are not Democrat or Republican any more. The stupid Christian/Corporate right took over the Republican party years ago (after Reagan) and no one is quite sure who the Democrats are run by – ah, democracy at its most unknown. Time to vote Rationalist. The Rationalist party is up and coming. And by the way, fuck Libertarians too as they are just a branch of the Republican party. Does anyone actually believe the “Fair tax” is fair ? If you do, you are a moron.

  14. Glenn E. says:

    Petitions are worthless. As long as there’s a several hundred billion dollar defense budget to be funded. The powers that be, aren’t going to allow the states to split up, and not pay the Beast it’s due.

    So if you’re for this insanity. Just forget it! The DHS will label you an anarchist. And deal with you as a terrorist, by relocating you to some other island detention camp, you didn’t know existed, but approved of them running. Only a bunch of morons, want to split up the Union. Because the first ever black man to become a US President. Got to be President again. And some white, draft dodging, multi-millionaire, Yahoo, didn’t. Boo freakin Hoo!

  15. MikeN says:

    At least ObamaCare creates the possibility that states can seceded from the bill. Otherwise, secession is not a bad idea, as companies in states with ObamaCare are more likely to cut their worker’s health care AND drop them to 30hrs per week so they do not qualify as a full time employee.

    • Bob says:

      The problem is, when the entire Obamacare system collapses under its own weight (which is was designed to do, so Dems can come up with their dream “solution” afterwards), the left will blame those few states that opted out.

      After all they can never blame their own bad policies can they? Its always got to be someone else s fault. I wonder if they will blame Bush for it too.

      • Phydeau says:

        Still so detached from reality… you guys just don’t learn. Guess Fox New never told you that “Obamacare” is really “Romneycare” from Massachusetts (where it is working pretty well) and was first proposed back in 1994 or so by the CONSERVATIVE Heritage Foundation.

        But now that it’s got Obama’s name on it, it’s socialism.

        Can you guys be any more transparent in your irrational hatred?

        • MikeN says:

          So why are Olive Garden and Red Lobster switching to more Part-time workers? Why is Dennys putting up an Obamacare surcharge on their receipts?

          • Phydeau says:

            Excellent point, Mike. Unfortunately for you, it is a point that supports my position, not yours.

            There is no reason why health insurance should be tied to employment. No other civilized country does it that way. You just made a good argument for single-payer insurance. Thanks for doing my work for me. :)

        • MikeN says:

          And no, Romneycare isn’t working well either.

          • Phydeau says:

            Dude, I live in MA and I know. It has its problems but overall it’s working ok.

          • Phydeau says:

            But I’m sure you saw that on Fox News, right after the piece celebrating Romney’s election win. ;)

  16. Uncle Patso says:

    MikeN says, in part:

    “… companies in states with ObamaCare are more likely to cut their worker’s health care AND drop them to 30hrs per week so they do not qualify as a full time employee.”

    Businesses that can get by with a bunch of no-loyalty, untrained, part-time or “independent contractor” workers have always done so. And every law that says you have to treat your workers more like human beings and less like draft horses prompted dire warnings of disaster from the businesses involved. American industry survived child labor laws, anti-piecework and anti-sweatshop laws just fine, thank you.

    • Captain Obvious says:

      Well said Patso. It’s also easy to pick out the guys who have never started a business or been responsible for another person’s employment.

  17. Charlie Primero says:

    I agree. People who want political freedom from Washinton D.C., London, Moscow, and Beijing are stupid.