Read the full article for the details of how right has run out of gas. Not that the left is any better. If the fiscal cliff crap is any indication, we, the people are, for want of a better word, fucked.

Nature abhors a vacuum, and as utopianism died out on the left, it found a new home to the right of center. The last generation in the U.S. has seen three forms of demented right-wing utopianism: religious, military and economic.

The religious utopianism was that of the Protestant religious right, which grew in influence in the 1980s and peaked in the 1990s. [...] But the project of remaking a modern, diverse, continental nation on the basis of a book was equally insane, whether the holy book was Marx’s Kapital or the Bible. The religious right faded as a force by the early 21st century, largely because of the growing secularization of younger Americans.

The next wave of utopianism was military. [..] When democratic revolutions ultimately did come to the Arab world, they were brought about by citizen revolts, not by American invaders and occupiers.

As the neoconservative utopia faded, it was followed in turn by the libertarian utopia. [...] To judge by the elections of 2012, in which more Americans cast votes for Democrats for the gerrymandered House as well as in Senate and presidential elections, the public has turned against free market utopians like Paul Ryan, who want to replace social insurance with vouchers and cut taxes further on the rich.

What will succeed the failed utopias of the religious right, the neoconservative right and the libertarian right?

  1. birddog says:

    The U.S.A. is circling the drain and neither side has the plug.

  2. Derek says:

    I’m debt free and grow most of my own food. The morons who voted for this administration can go screw themselves. Doesn’t matter much to me at all.

    • Duh! says:

      You must not pay TAXES either. Right?!

      Be as apathetic as you like. This shit will affect you if you live anywhere in the U.S.A. or any of it’s territories. Because there’s these things called PROPERTY TAXES that everyone pays. Most other countries have them too.

      The sad thing is a LOT of people don’t even realize they pay property taxes since it’s usually part of their mortgage. In fact, most IDIOTS actually think that their INCOME TAX is what pays for the firemen, police and schools – WRONG! It’s your PROPERTY TAX that primarily pays for it. Income taxes only help “subsidize” what the property taxes DON’T cover (among other things).

      Even more sad are the idiots who DON’T have a mortgage and DON’T pay their property taxes. These idiots almost always get foreclosed on by the county or an anonymous tax lien holder after a few years have passed (as opposed to a bank which would foreclose on an unpaid mortgage or something). So I hope you’re not one of them. Are you?!

      We haven’t even talked about sales taxes or taxes that the I.R.S. deals with, really! And if you arrogantly think those things can’t affect you then we’ll probably see you living under a bridge sometime in the future. YOU DUMB SHIT!

      • Derek says:

        I pay all of my taxes, and the amount my taxes hurt has barely has an effect on me. I’ve focused everything on minimaliszing the effect anyone can possibly have on me. I spent most of my life helping charities, local businesses, and even had a brief run in politics. I was once an optimist, but after these last 13 years, I’m done being optimistic.

        Until our government can actually abide by it’s own rules it forces everyone else to abide by, I’ll just sit back and watch everyone burn. This past election proved to me that Americans care more about getting an Obamaphone than they do even having any future at all. Because of that, I could care less what happens at this point.

        You, the american public, voted to crash our economy to keep your benefits. I will sit back and watch you all eat each other alive. The iceberg is coming and the american public hate voted full speed ahead.

        • Duh! says:

          Well, at least I’ll put an ore in the water and try to slow the impact by paddling in reverse of that iceberg.

          But you just sit back and enjoy the quartet music. Watch it all burn and laugh your ass off until cold hard reality takes hold. It’s not like you could have helped with your ore or anything.

          Remember: Apathy never solved a damn thing!

          • The Monster's Lawyer says:


          • Duh! says:

            Oar as in boat oar. Sorry for the typo. (And not “type O” as in a tampon soaked blood type either.) Let’s all be politicians and get mired down in pure bullshit! That sure helps no one.

            Ore is what you might smelt from raw materials, like iron ore. (So wrong again there, BLOW BLOW.)

            Of course, I’m sure many people here would just leave out the trailing e and might not have even noticed if I’d just said OR. So you can imagine my surprise that anyone actually caught it. Usually, other people here can’t even use words like their, there or they’re, correctly and often misuse two, too and to TOO! So way to go with the nit picking.

            It’s not like weird characters like === aren’t typo’s either. However, I do suggest you leave those errors alone since it’s usually a sign of someone missing his medication or doing the old liberal masturbation trick. I don’t know about you, but I refuse to JOIN IN and give those NON “hoomans” any PLEASURE!

        • LibertyLover says:

          I’ve pretty much come to the same conclusion.

          Let the Mother Fucker burn!

          I’ve stopped hiring new people. I’m in coast mode right now. I lost some engineers last year. Have no plans to replace them. Just maintaining the existing customers we have and taking on jobs I can do with my existing manpower.

          Raising my rates, though. I’ll be damned if I take a cut in my standard of living because people think I make too much money.

          They want more taxes? They can pay them for me.

          So, the next time they buy milk or gas or a car or water their yard and it costs a little more, I am sure they will be happy to know they are contributing to the welfare of the country.

          • So what says:

            Derek and Liberty delivering two of the biggest loads of bullshit. Right up there with Alfies “progressives” are ruining the universe.

          • bobbo, one true Liberal recognizing Obama is too far Right says:

            Ha, ha.===You’re last 5 posts have all been “Me too!”

            “Hey everybody—Look at Me—I’m a LOSER too, just Like Derek.”

            The middle ground is for reasonable people, the extremes of Happy/Sad, Optimistic/Pessimistic, Leading a Local Revolt/Growing your Own Food are for… the extremes, the fantacists, or those in straight jackets.

            Moan and Groan about REALITY you silly bitches–let the real men get the work done. Your idiot fantasies of being independent and going your own way are just that.

            I do assume though your mouth overperforms your accomplishments. Society is very powerful, even on your own private property.

            I thought that “ore” was the lead dead weight of stupid extremists. Probably was a paddle though.

            Silly Hoomans.

          • LibertyLover says:

            So What,

            Why do you say so?

          • LibertyLover says:



            Are you mad because I’m raising my rates?

            Are you mad because I’ve given up on expecting something better out of my government?

            I really want to know why you think I should lower my standard of living because you want me to.

          • Duh! says:


            Who could possibly be mad at you for exercising your Constitutional Rights?

            I might be a little upset with you for being something of a scum bag (assuming you even are one). But it’s really small potatoes in the grand scheme of things.

            However, I’m sure a die-hard communist like blow blow sees it differently since his style of government is to take away everything you or I have ever EARNED, redistribute it, and pass laws that prevent anyone from being a scum bag CAPITALIST.

            So I guess I answered it. Blow blow, the masturbating freak of nature because he’s a non “hooman” will blame you. You rich lucky evil bastard you. ;-)

          • LibertyLover says:


            I don’t like think I’m a scumbag. I’m sure some people might think that because I believe I should benefit more from what I build than not.

            If I can’t benefit more, then why build anything at all?

          • So what says:

            Easy peasy liberty, “I’m in coast mode right now.” a business that is “coasting” is a failing business. That marks you as either a piss poor businessman or a liar.

            I used to work for a couple of companies that thought “coasting” was a successful strategy. I left because I knew better, they aren’t in business any more.

          • LibertyLover says:

            By coasting, I mean I don’t intend to grow anymore. I’m happy with a consistent 25% profit return each year.

          • So what says:

            Which is exactly what I am talking about. Your profit won’t stay at 25%, while you’re coasting your competitors are not. I spent a dozen years working for a high precision metal die-casting company. When they felt pressured they fell back on their safe core profit makers. Their competition didn’t, they began to lose that core because they were no longer competitive. Hence the competition is still in business and they are not, coasting is failing.

          • LibertyLover says:

            I said we weren’t growing.

            I didn’t say we weren’t innovating. We come out with updates to our products all the time, new features, more efficient ways to do things, new products, etc.

            If I can give a customer a product that makes him 10% more efficient than if used our old product, and the price the same, he’ll keep using us.

            Big difference.

          • Dallas says:

            Whaaaaa whaaaaaa. I getting all my toys and playing indoors . Whaaaa

          • LibertyLover says:

            Whaaaaa whaaaaaa. I getting all my toys and playing indoors . Whaaaa

            I made the toys, why not?

          • So what says:

            Then you’re not “coasting.” Make up your mind.

          • LibertyLover says:

            You say tomAto, I say tomoto.

            I consider not growing to be coasting.

            You may be thinking of going stagnant.

          • Derek says:

            First, I’ve always grown most of my own food. It tastes better to me and the security of having my own food reserves means my life has less volatility.

            As far as being “extreme”, I’m not. I’m just done trying to support a country vilifies success. I’m done trying to support a country that cares more about benefits than having any kind of future. I’m done trying to support a country that prefers dependency over freedom.

            I’m done. I hope this administration and everyone who voted for them gets EXACTLY what they are asking for.

  3. The Monster's Lawyer says:

    What’s Next For The Failed Right Wing?
    Pay taxes and die like the rest of us.

  4. Taxed Enough Already Dude says:

    One more reason to hate Bush…he have the moron voters a tax break…so they don’t pay taxes…47% of ‘em, but they vote Democrat for freebies.

    They needed to pay taxes…I was feeling good about paying more…just so they would join me…and now they get off scott free once again.

    If you want to live like the Swedes, you have to pay taxes like the Swedes….and then the 47%er’s would howl….$10 or more for gas or ciggarrettes…half their take home pay….

    Its time we educate the morons…and tax the piss out of them for their freebies…

    Otherwise debt will collapse the system, likely what Obama wants.

    • TheMAXX says:

      If this was sweden there wouldn’t be so many poor people since the highest income and the lowest income aren’t that far apart. That 47% includes kids, retired people, the unemployed and the poor. If you don’t make enough money to feed your family properly I think it is fair that you don’t have to pay more taxes than you already do. Especially since the reason you are so poor is because money is concentrated in too few hands and the rich and the corporations get much more support from the government than those 47% that you like to bash. You are basically saying the greediest, dumbest, most corrupt people who get way more money from the government aren’t treated fairly because the victims of economic and legal warfare don’t pay enough taxes. Why side with Darth Vader? Why side with every villain from every movie you have ever seen? How easily are you fooled or are you one of the ones trying to get away with shit?

  5. Uncle Patso says:

    It’s obvious to anyone with two brain cells to rub together that what is needed is to increase revenue some and cut spending some and ask _everyone_ to bite the bullet some.

    But all the hardened arteries in the brain types are all afraid that every cent in taxes portends The End Of The World As We Know It, and the Nanny State types are all “But we have to take care of all those Poor People!”


    Take care of maybe ten percent, give a small break to maybe the next poorest fifteen to twenty percent and the rest can take care of themselves. Meanwhile, limit the combination of all taxes at all levels to no more than 25-28 percent of the economy. Although we’re not nearly in as bad a shape as Greece or Spain or even Italy, a little austerity now is indicated.


    • LibertyLover says:

      It’s obvious to anyone with two brain cells to rub together that what is needed is to increase revenue some and cut spending some and ask _everyone_ to bite the bullet some.

      The spending will never be cut voluntarily.


      Take care of maybe ten percent, give a small break to maybe the next poorest fifteen to twenty percent and the rest can take care of themselves. Meanwhile, limit the combination of all taxes at all levels to no more than 25-28 percent of the economy.

      Sounds reasonable though I would argue the 25-28% is a bit high unless by “all levels” you mean federal, state, and local combined.

      And do you want to tell the next 37% (47% – 10%) they aren’t getting the free ride anymore?

      The spending will never be cut voluntarily.


    • So what says:

      Good luck as neither side can actually agree on what needs to be cut or how to raise revenue. The difference between a small town city council and congress is the size of the budget and the size of the mistakes, otherwise the bullshit is still the same.

    • Dick says:

      WOW! Talk about not having 2 brain cells to rub together.

    • TheMAXX says:

      Austerity brought a second depression to the European countries that tried it and the countries that didn’t have some of the best economies in the world right now… Raising taxes won’t hurt. Historically the economy does much better when we tax more and does worse when we tax less. This makes perfect sense if you think about it logically for one second: More money in fewer hands means the greediest, dumbest, most sociopathic people have more of an effect on the economy. We put more money into the public sector and we will absolutely have a more logical and stable economy.

  6. deowll says:

    I would assume the person that wrote the original article is a socialist/Marxists who thinks we need more government controls, move government spending and higher taxes until everyone is paying 100% of everything.

    We are living in a centrally planned socialist workers paradise and things can only get better IF you think the Easter Bloke under communism was a great place to live.

    If you like the growth and prosperity of the past. That’s over. The new reality is the government will never let that level of prosperity happen again. Average income has fallen about 4 or 5 thousand and there is every reason to think average income will continue to fall. The rules that exist and the people running things guarantee the youth of today will have a worse life than we had it.

    • Dick says:

      …And so goes the TRADITION!

      Out parents had it better than we did and their parents better than them. Back until about 1948 or so. Right?

      Care to read a little HISTORY?

      You’re right to be angry with the Democrats and their ass-like approach in government. But they’re not TOTALLY responsible for the mess we’re now in either. But I do give them the MAJORITY!

    • TheMAXX says:

      Problem isn’t with spending too much, it is people and companies that are sitting on their money and NOT spending it that is the problem. The only reason average income has fallen is because there is less money circulating. More money is in the economy overall but it is not circulating which means the one thing that money is for (to enable exchanges) cannot happen. The government is already spending more than it takes in and most Americans cannot afford to save their money so it is obvious that the problem lies with the banks, the corporations and the rich. Each of these sectors is sitting on over $1 trillion each and are convincing a quarter of possible voters to try and make the problem worse by increasing money going to the rich, the banks and the corporations.

  7. bobbo, we think with words, and flower with ideas says:

    Sure sign of an immature fantacist: they devolve into their own secret language as in “I’m coasting.” To whit:

    So what says:
    1/3/2013 at 3:49 pm

    Then you’re not “coasting.” Make up your mind.
    LibertyLover says:
    1/3/2013 at 4:06 pm

    You say tomAto, I say tomoto.

    I consider not growing to be coasting.

    You may be thinking of going stagnant.


    Loser says To(I’m an Idiot)maTo with every post he conjures up. Pukes do this all the time. I say International Corporatist evading the Tax Laws of the USA and Loser says “job creator.”

    Words are like that. It the hard fascism of the Dictionary they hate. Loser does sound like an outlier though as opposed to an out right liar. Imagine actually having a business and being as knee jerk high school stupid as he is……………oohhh….. I just had a shudder===imagine working for him.

    Yes mazzah, I not been coasting, I been innovating.

    What a dope.

  8. Grandpa says:

    What’s with all the doom and gloom. I can remember a time when we all paid taxes and Social Security and Medicare were fully funded. They were good times too. If we can do it once, we can do it again. All we need are people smart enough to know we must pay our taxes, and legislators patriotic enough to craft legislation that benefits Americans.

    • Dick says:

      Sounds like the cries of the truly IGNORANT!

      You sure got your head up something dark and stinky.

      Want to get a clue? Try reading the CONSTITUTION and a little thing called the BILL OF RIGHTS (which is part of it)!

      Don’t bother with that Declaration of Independence thing. It’s really not much more than a national birth certificate. After all, no one really cares about birth certificates or college transcripts, etc. But we sure as hell want to see those 1040′s! It’s not like anyone really cares about values which inconveniently happen to be written on goddamn 200 year-old piece of paper (parchment) or anything.

      Is that “clue” starting to cause a headache for you yet? Thinking about telling me off? (I can just see the “birther” accusations by the IDIOTS who already lost FOCUS here.)

  9. NewFormatSux says:

    In tax year 1980, you had to pay a tax of 50% on income over 23,000 and 60% on income over 45,000. These numbers were not adjusted for inflation. Under the right wing, these tax rates and higher ones were lowered down to 28%, to the point where even Marxist Barack Obama declared that a 40% tax rate on millionaires and billionaires represents their fair share. So the right wing has been very successful. As for the military right wing, I note that Barack Obama declared the War Powers Act irrelevant.

    • Dick says:

      Are you for REAL?! Where the FUCK did you get those figures?! FIFTY PERCENT?! You seem to assume that it’s all kept money too. BULLSHIT!

      Try taking a math class. No one earning less than what’s officially declared as poverty pays ANY taxes! That is, as long as they file a 1040 tax form and actually PAID something! And since nearly everyone with a job files a tax return form this 50% claim is really total crap!

      If you earned anywhere NEAR poverty levels, you may have had income tax WITHHELD! But file that 1040 form and you get it ALL BACK! Even if you make more than poverty levels you still get MOST of it back! Ask a knowledgeable Certified Public Accountant (CPA).

      Again, you have to be smart enough to file your tax forms and know what deductions to claim and/or plan for. The scary thing is, most people don’t!

      Maybe you need to notice all the little pinheads running around by the time April 15 gets closer? They always promise quick returns so that the other idiots can immediately go out and buy a new color television set or spend it on other crap. Most of these fools who get their tax “returns” almost ALWAYS think that it’s the government’s money too! They’re IDIOTS!

      • Middle of the Road Centrist says:

        Wage earners below the poverty level still pay Social Security taxes, State Disability taxes, sales taxes, utility taxes and property taxes – even if renting the owner of the property pays the taxes. So, to say that these folks PAY NO TAXES taxes is nonsense.

      • NewformatSux says:

        Search for historical tax tables. My numbers are correct. Those income levels were not considered poverty at the time. But income taxes were not adjusted for inflation either, creating bracket creep.

    • LibertyLover says:

      And in the fifties the rate was around 90%.

      That was the marginal tax rate, though.

      After deductions, the effective tax rate was closer to 20%.

      Here is a chart showing the marginal vs. effective tax rates since inception. As can be clearly seen, the government has been bringing in roughly the same percentage of GDP for 60 years.

      So, if the government’s been bringing in the same percentage for decades, we have to ask ourselves, why are we broke?

  10. Rich says:

    Bobbo- what is wrong with you? I can’t tell if you are really that hostile and crude or just trolling.

    If this socialist leftist “utopia” continues for much longer, eventually society will break down as predicted, and guess who will emerge on top? Take a guess? The reasonable-minded people who tote guns and believe in God (though that’s not really necessary), the strong, the intelligent, the self-sufficient. The true Tea Party types. Society needs a little pruning now and again.

    • LibertyLover says:

      He’s just trolling.

      Nothing makes him sport wood better than someone who argues with him.

      And nothing pisses him off more than ignoring him or telling him to screw off.

      There is no middle ground with him. He either wants to cuddle with you or sling spittle all over the screen.

  11. Middle of the Road Centrist says:

    I get really tired of people whining about paying taxes. The vast majority of our taxes pay for schools and universities, police protection, fire protection, roads and road maintenance, a strong military, and protection of the environment we live in. Which one of these critical functions do you want to eliminate from government spending (taxes) so that you can pay for it all by yourself?

    • NewformatSux says:

      Well most of the items you cite are paid for by local taxes, which are easier to avoid, just move to another town.

      People are objecting to federal and state taxes which mostly go towards other things.

      • Captain Obvious says:

        You might want to go through and read that list again buddy.

  12. bobbo, we think with words, and flower with ideas says:

    Rich earnestly says:
    1/4/2013 at 1:15 pm

    Bobbo- what is wrong with you? I can’t tell if you are really that hostile and crude or just trolling. /// I’m for real. Not trolling. I don’t think I’m hostile by intent although any form of disagreement or requesting facts or logic or a link is all too often taken as such. I do recognize that and do not change. Crude?==Yes. It amuses me.

    If this socialist leftist “utopia” continues for much longer, /// Our society is center right. Socialist in parts but the gaps in the social contract are so big and wide, to call us a social leftis utopia is to really depart from reality. A rightwingnut talking point straight from Faux News. Even Hostile, Crude… and worse===inaccurate by any reasonable definition.

    eventually society will break down as predicted, and guess who will emerge on top? Take a guess? /// Is the uppermost reaches of a dung pile properly thought of as “being on top?”

    The reasonable-minded people who tote guns and believe in God (though that’s not really necessary), the strong, the intelligent, the self-sufficient. The true Tea Party types. Society needs a little pruning now and again. /// Silly adolescent fantasies of the type Loser is trapped in.

    Amusingly==your model of the disaster/survivalist Cro-Magnon man if correct would describe what is wrong with our PRE-Disaster/Survivalist society. See the dissonance?

    Loser….. always good for a yuk. Makes strong statements usually by asslicking someone with original ideas but cannot support his argument beyond repeating it. Typical dittohead.

    Prove me wrong.

  13. MikeN says:

    Those who are against Reagan’s tax cuts should be prepared to pay the IRS 50% of all income over $23,000. It’s only fair.

  14. Somebody says:

    What will succeed the failed utopias of the religious right, the neoconservative right and the libertarian right?

    Nice try.

    But you really can’t get away with lumping libertarianism in with the two failures. If you were paying attention during the primaries, you could hardly have failed to notice that libertarianism was offered but soundly rejected by the rank and foul of the party.

    In fact, Romney’s mission was to knock Ron Paul out of action so that the people would have no real choice in the general election.
    It’s the only explanation for why Goldman Saches gave Romney so much money in the primaries after having given so much cash to Obama.

    There is more to libertarianism than throwing Granny out of the iron lung. There’ s that whole end to corporate bailouts and the free ride for the military- industrial- complex that has made it necessary for those who own the media to program you to hate and fear freedom as you do.

    Honest money and the respect for law and human rights – that’s poison to those guys – and too good for the likes of you!