I’m guessing ‘expert guest’ has a different meaning at Fox than in the rest of the world.

Near the end of the segment, it occurred to Carlson to ask her expert guest, Fox Business reporter Shibani Joshi, why it might be that Germany’s solar-power sector is doing so much better [than ours]. “What was Germany doing correct? Are they just a smaller country, and that made it more feasible?” Carlson asked.

Joshi’s jaw-dropping response: “They’re a smaller country, and they’ve got lots of sun. Right? They’ve got a lot more sun than we do.” In case that wasn’t clear enough for some viewers, Joshi went on: “The problem is it’s a cloudy day and it’s raining, you’re not gonna have it.” Sure, California might get sun now and then, Joshi conceded, “but here on the East Coast, it’s just not going to work.”

Gosh, why hasn’t anyone thought of that before? Wouldn’t you think that some scientist, somewhere, would have noticed that the East Coast is far less sunny than Central Europe and therefore incapable of producing solar power on the same scale?

You would—if it were true. As Media Matters’ Max Greenberg notes, it isn’t. Not even remotely.

UPDATE: Relevant findings (pdf)



  1. msbpodcast says:

    Bah… The only TV I watch is closed circuit, (until they catch me at it. :-))

    Journalism died when Fox got its licence.

    • Supreme Ultrahuman (I see the comment system is still designed for retards.) says:

      Dan Rather put the final nail in journalism

    • stormtrooper 651 says:

      You get the journalism you deserve, the US is now an intellectually backward country churning easily distracted illiterates out of its school system.
      Evidence of this is this liberal who posts a video about the massive failures of obamas energy policies and can only see an irrelevant flub by a junior reporter at the end of the clip.

      • stormtrooper 651 says:

        then he gives it a moronic headline, ironically claiming anyone and everyone holding a different opinion to him to be the morons.

  2. orchidcup says:

    The Netflix original series (copied from a BBC production) House of Cards starring Kevin Spacey demonstrates how media and government are manipulated and controlled by special interests.

    This is not an advertisement.

    • pedro says:

      Kevin Spacey is a commie shill like Sean Penn & Danny Glover. They can screw themselves.

      • orchidcup says:

        Kevin Spacey plays a manipulative Democrap Congressman in this rip-off series based on a BBC drama.

        The true communist shills are the corporatocracy that envisions all of us “human resources” (slaves) as communist peasants that are pleased to march in step with the one party that rules us all.

        But I would not expect you to perceive any of this, pedro.

  3. kjb434 says:

    Journalism died when you could get a degree in it.

    News reporting by its very nature was ALWAYS a bias venture. It wasn’t until colleges starting offering degrees did the concept of ethics and unbiased reporting surface. And that was only an excuse for having to create the programs to scam students and the public to thinking you need a degree to report what happen.

    Journalism is a profession you don’t need an education to be good at it. A journalism degree only allows people who practice it to be major douchebags.

    Most cities and towns had multiple news papers that each had an expressed biased and no one admitted to being unbiased or evenhanded. They actually held it up with honor that they were biased. Very few cities have dual or multiple papers left that represent multiple political parties. Pretty much only DC with Washington Post (left wing) and Washington Times (right wing) is left. There may be a few others.

  4. bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

    Uncle Dave only slightly missing the ball says:
    2/8/2013 at 12:26 pm

    As I said in my comment, I wonder if it’s some sort of experiment to see if we, the public, are willing to accept as fact anything they say. /// I have read the following response many times now. Not my own idea. This is no experiment rather it is “playing to their market segment” who want to hear this slanted propaganda over and over rather than be challenged to think. There is an INDUSTRY at Fox Spews organized to remove as much money from them as possible. Idiot books, Gold Coins, Assault Rifles, Survival Food and so forth. Hard to say how large/small this group would be without the constant pimping by Fox Spews but this is no experiment.

    Of those who follow the infotainment industry (I am one on the liberdrool side) MOST of the audience cannot stomach Fox, for as you post, it is garbage. But there is a percentage of phagocytes that can live on nothing else. Guns, religion, anti-science, anti gay, and xenophobic.

    America is a free country. Every nut group gets its own news if they will support the dogma.

    Same as it always was.

    Yea, Verily!! (Ezekiel 4:12)

    Reply

  5. bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

    btw==I didn’t download the pdf as its more detail than I need, I assume….. BUT….. as with so much that is scientific, the experts really do know what they are talking about.

    YEARS AGO–the USA and of course Europe (if not the World, and of course the world too by now) was maped out with nice shaded colors showing the sun fall on average per meter of land. From that, you can apply the efficiency of solar capture and converstion and determine which if any technologies will pay for themselves or not, or how long to break even and so forth.

    While these maps stay the same, the technology gets better and better every year, better as in more efficient. Won’t be too much longer until solar power will be stand alone competitive with tax support Big Oil Carbon Pollution.

    THE REALLY BIG TEST: will Obama approve the tar sand oil pipe? He’s been way too much the politician given his hope and change rhetoric. I think he will approve some version of it…. OR… deny it which really should only be done with the announcement of some kind of moon shot program for green energy self sufficiency. Jobs, Tech Leadership, Saving Mother Earth all in one fell swoop.

    Too much science?…….Probably so.

    Silly Hoomans.

  6. pedro says:

    Uncle Dave pondered:

    “Does Fox News Hire Morons On Purpose?”

    I said Fox News was not the only ones that have hired her.

    Uncle Dave’s answer? Keep on signaling Fox as the only ones with an agenda.

    I think you are the one with an agenda.

    As a side note, this only confirms John’s theory about Fox News being a democrap outfit. This woman worked with CNN and the now Obama-compromised ABC before going to Fox

    • bobbo, are we Men of Science, or Devo says:

      Oh Pedro!!!!!! I look to YOU for rational iconoclastic speaking truth to power non politically correct speech and here you go trying to get a demo tape for Faux Spews?

      Uncle Dave did not say or imply: “Keep on signaling Fox as the only ones with an agenda” as you mischaracterize.

      What he did more subtly say was: “It’s just that Fox doesn’t seem to care how stupid their people look.”

      This current case is very consistent with this newcaster showing herself to be an idiot on the other channels (Is she still on those channels or does arriving at Faux show her decline to pure puppetry?) SO–Faux picks her up for the reason that Uncle Dave says.

      Oh, Pedro…. so close. But you really have to pay closer attention.

      • pedro says:

        Re-read the story’s title.

        • bobbo, are we Men of Science, or Devo says:

          Yes, the story’s title is exactly what we are talking about:

          “Does Fox News Hire Morons On Purpose?”

          When a person is FIRST HIRED they are an unknown quantity/personality. If they are FIRST HIRED by MSNBC and they prove themselves to be a Moron, it is clearn MSNBC did not hire them for that purpose. AFTER THAT, when Faux hires them after seeing them perform as a Moron and thereafter they continue to perform as a Moron and they are kept by Faux Spews for their Fair and Balanced coverage/expertise then does not Faux Spews retain Morons on Purpose whereas the same cannot be said of the first hirers?

          I know Engrish is your second or third language, but after an issue has been made the point of a discussion, shouldn’t you be able to see the obvious error you are making?

          Whadyoutryintodo? Get hired by Faux?

  7. Captain Obvious says:

    They know their audience. They give their audience exactly what they want. They makes lots of money. It’s obviously biased and misleading, but who cares? They are very, very good at what they do.

    I’m not sure who’s more irritating: people who think Fox is the real deal, or people who complain about it.

    • bobbo, are we Men of Science, or Devo says:

      Amusingly, that should be obvious to you…. as it is with everyone else.

      • Dallas says:

        agree. Evidently some people find the dumbing down of the electorate to be just fine.

  8. Glenn E. says:

    Another day, another bogus expert, that FOX failed to vet. Just business as usual. Expertise doesn’t count. Padding the minutes between toilet paper commercials, does.

  9. Somebody_Else says:

    Well, there’s a big market for stupid.

  10. hmeyers says:

    If we had honest news — instead of posturing news — our news would have credibility.

    An example: Because Fox and MSNBC are super-biased (cnn less so, but gives off some bias), it is difficult to fully trust what you hear on them.

    So we have a society that doesn’t really believe anything in the news. This is a really terrible situation.

    It breeds a great deal of distrust, bickering and posturing and I think this hurts our culture and dumbs it down.

    • Mextli says:

      I was convinced when I watched a congressional committee hearing on C-SPAN then coverage of the hearing on CNN. Hard to tell it was the same subject.

      The MSM seem to hire actors that give little content and an occasional fact.

      • Cap'n Kangaroo says:

        I remember saying the same thing after watching C-Span showing daily briefing from Saudi Arabia during the 1st Gulf war. That nite I would watch newscast and wondered why would they go with that fact or story when there was so much more in the breifing.

  11. Peppeddu says:

    It has nothing to do with being a moron, but everything to do with brain conditioning.

    If you constantly blur the line between reality and fiction and you repeat your “reality” enough times, people eventually start to question the validity of what the other guys are saying.

    Two of the many tools they use:
    #1 Selling opinions as facts and vice versa.
    #2 Mixing out of context facts to support their point of view.

    Most of the folks out there use the TV as the trusted primary source of news, and these are people who cast ballots.

    The biggest mistake is to think that this a moronic thing, this is carefully planned and carried out daily.

  12. Mr Ed says:

    Idiots talking to idiots and watched by gullible idiots. That is Faux news.

  13. Uncle Patso says:

    The proposed Keystone XL tar sands oil pipeline is an interesting case — the unions, especially the construction unions, are all for it as a jobs program, while the environmental movement is aghast at the idea. Disarray in the ranks for traditional Obama supporters.

    • Cap'n Kangaroo says:

      And the Republicans bray about the pipeline bringing down the price of oil in the US when TransCanada’s own expert say it will not do so. The whole reason for the pipeline is to sell their crude at the Gulf Coast at Brent prices versus the much lower West Texas Intermediate. Fox news and Fox business and much of CNBC always seem to overlook this and parrot the Republicans.

      And don’t overlook that the southern portion (Oklahoma to Gulf Coast) is already being built since it does not require the President’s/State Dept. approval.

  14. Anonymous Coward says:

    In all fairness to FOX, as far as I can tell, for ALL of the general news media outlets, the ONE journalist in any given news outlet who scraped by high school science classes with a ‘D-’ rather than an outright ‘F’ that all the rest of them did is assigned to the Science & Technology section.

    In short, the science and tech coverage for all of them suck hard core. It’s all prepackaged PR material from the company in question being passed off as science news articles that sees print. If it wasn’t for that prepackaged PR material, there would be no “science and technology” section in any general news media outlet.

    So the bringing in of an ‘expert’ who doesn’t know that Germany’s ‘success’ with Solar Power is due to draconian government mandates & dramatic government financial subsidies is no surprise.

    Heck, even “Popular Science” has gotten really iffy in their on-line coverage of science and tech if you look at their website.

    • orchidcup says:

      Now Germany is faced with subsidizing the entire economy of the EU and they are not happy.

      Solar Energy will never be ubiquitous without government subsidy and/or support.

      Like the railroads of the 19th century, or the superhighways of the 20th century, or the Intertubes of the 21st century, government plays a major role in evolving technologies.

      I am incorporating solar energy in my energy-efficient
      home where it is economically feasible, but I don’t expect to be off the grid for a decade or more.

      • bobbo, are we Men of Science, or Devo says:

        “Solar Energy will never be ubiquitous without government subsidy and/or support.” ///// Ma!!!! Orchi done drunk the coolaide and there’s none left! ….. Ooops, never mind, there’s more on Faux Spews.

      • Rick says:

        Considering that we subsidize the nuclear industry to the tune of 30 billion dollars a year it seems that big energy can’t do anything without Uncle Sam being Daddy Warbucks to them.

  15. MikeN says:

    A better question is
    Does President Obama hire tax cheats on purpose?

  16. Sarah Park says:

    What a stupid analysis! Where did they get that person? Just along the street?d

  17. Rick says:

    The USA has geographically the best potential for solar and wind power on the planet, and the only reason its not being utilized is because the mega corporations that hold our energy sector hostage don’t want to re-tool. Plus they’re already working on ways to legally restrict us from harvesting it ourselves. One way or the other we are gonna pay “fair market value” for god’s free sun and wind.

  18. Uncle Patso says:

    orchidcup says, in part:

    “I am incorporating solar energy in my energy-efficient
    home where it is economically feasible, but I don’t expect to be off the grid for a decade or more.”

    One area where the economics are positive now is solar water heating. Paint some pipes black, connect them to your regular water heater, either as a pre-warming stage or circulating. If you build it right the first time it’s very low maintenance and voila — free energy.

    • orchidcup says:

      Already done. The loop is in place for adding solar collectors on the roof.

      Just finished the plans for building a solar furnace that pumps warm air into the house from a solar collector on the south wall.

      Next up is wind turbines and solar panels to power the LED lights inside and outside of the house.

      Working on plans to convert a Geo Metro Hatchback into an emergency power generator.

      There are no problems, only solutions.

  19. bobbo, the junior culture critic says:

    Rachel Maddow has been mentioned has given good facts.

    “Up” with Chris Hayes on msnbc Sat Sun Morning on MSNBC is also very good. Set your dvr.

    Both obviously read and research their main subjects before inviting actual experts on the same theme. No reverend sharpies.

    Krugman is on right now reciting “Economics 101 – Introductory Course” and how the Far Right is expousing the failed ideas of the 1920′s as if they were new ideas. Too much of that around. Its how Glass Steagal got removed….. and still not replaced. How many times will we have to hit ourselves in the head with the Hammer of Fraud and Abuse by the Big Corps? We’ve had 3 big ones in the last 20 years.

    Nice chart shown: in early century. Only 1 year was spent dealing with consequences of Big Bank Fraud. In current time period–20 years. The system is broken perhaps unintentionally, but its not being fixed very much on purpose.

    Vote all Pukes out of Office. Get the Dumbos next.

  20. MikeN says:

    CNN Anchor asks if meteor is caused by global warming.
    Bill Nye responds meteor and meteorology come from the same root. Can’t tell if it was edited.

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/02/11/why-we-dont-take-cnn-or-bill-nye-seriously-anymore-asteroid-meteor-global-warming/