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I was born in Mississippi in 1949. Around that time one of the easiest ways to lynch an entire African-American family was to set the house on fire and shoot people as they ran out. That tactic  took fewer people than the average hanging, and you didn’t have to show your face.

The technique also worked well in Al-Qaeda’s massacre at the American embassy in Benghazi.

And it worked at Big Bear, too.

The San Bernadino County Sheriff’s knew the grenades they fired into the cabin were highly flammable, and would be set off by a spark. Or a gun shot.

Either the sheriff’s people were stupid about that or the Sheriff lied when he said they had not intended to burn Dorner.

The cabin was surrounded. A siege was in order, not a lynching. Certainly emotions ran high. Anger. Adrenalin  surf. But the public has a right to expect that their law enforcement personnel are professional and disciplined. And have an interest in justice rather than revenge.

Law enforcement failed on all of those accounts at Big Bear.

Dorner may very well have been the vicious killer he was painted as.

But the way that law enforcement behaved that night at Big Bear resembled the sort of undisciplined, fury-driven madness that characterized the Ku Klux Klan of my home state. Or terrorists at Benghazi. One can argue that the motivations may have been different, but the results are indisputably the same.

I have written about a number of the many strange, suspicious aspects of this case: L.A.’s “Killer Cop:” Was He Set Up? but law enforcement’s stonewalling, lack of transparency and blood lust to revenge their own losses raises a questions, destroys their credibility, further damages the shaky trust they have with the public and makes a lot of people wonder, “what was so important to cover up that they have to made sure he never got a chance to speak in court?”

I took some minor licks in the 1960s, most notably when a Madison County (Mississippi) deputy wanted to beat the hell out of me and my best friend Arthur for bringing water to a school teacher from Ohio whose car radiator had overheated on Highway 55 during a civil rights march.

I outran the sucker in my 426 Hemi Plymouth, otherwise I might not be writing this right now. I have seen the face of undisciplined law enforcement and know what it looks like.

And right now, it looks a lot like Big Bear.



  1. Dallas says:

    Well, I think it’s a bitter sweet happy endings. It’s sad that one of the good cops died. The puke’s forgot to make light of that unfortunate death because of all the excitement around roasting a black guy. May God be with the families involved.

    • pedro says:

      I see you manage to put repukes in here. That means your toy is tickling you innards.

    • Mr Diesel says:

      Since you took it there….he was a big fan of almost all things on the liberal side of the fence. Did you hear that on the MSM? No. But a whack job shoots Giffords and the first thing out of the liberal media is that he was Tea Party nut job. They were wrong but that never stops them.

      • Dallas says:

        A liberal pro gun nut? Didn’t hear that.

        Anyway, the key difference was in the Giffords case it was an assassination planned of an elected official by Sarah Palin – the Teapublican carefully chosen to be Vice President of the United States.

        In the event McCain died, Sarah would become the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces and set foreign policy. OMG, that was hard to write.

        • pedro says:

          Of course you didn’t hear it, it destroys your pony & rainbow world.

          To the kitchen, now!

  2. MikeN says:

    Largest massacre of minorities was at Waco.

    • N K says:

      You mean the largest suicide of wacko’s don’t you?

      I’ll concede the point that the cops had no business burning them out too! But then those branch Davidians were about as crazy as Woody Woodpecker on acid.

      • Burntfinger says:

        Really? I rodeoed with 3 of the guys who died in that fire, asshole. I knew them, their wives and their kids. There was NO legitimate reason for what was done to those people.

        • Rick Cain says:

          The fires started at 3 simultaneous points in the building, as verified by heat sensitive cameras in helicopters over the compound.

          Koresh thought an assault was in play and he ordered the place BURNED down in hopes of killing as many attacking agents as possible, and many of his people were shot in the back as they attempted to escape through windows and doors.

  3. MikeN says:

    LPerdue leaves out the Dorner manifesto. He says he knows police tactics. A siege might have been what he was planning on.

    He murdered a few non cops, but that’s not important to the cop haters.

    • Publius says:

      Lawful behavior of government officers is not important to boot lickers.

  4. Jefire70 says:

    First Christopher Jordan Dorner was bad man who did evil things and deserved to die.

    But LEOs are not Judge Dreed. If the reports are true about the radio traffic say the cops wanted to burn the place down. They need to be held accountable. These gun happy cops also shot 3 innocent people in there shot first ask questions later mentality.

    If any of us civilians did what they did we would be in Jail.

    • N K says:

      HEY! If you can have a Utah State Trooper tazer someone for not wearing a seat belt or a Mississippi State trooper tazer an 83-year-old woman for ANYTHING or even a Denver cop in uniform break into the wrong house and KILL a man for drinking a soda in his own bed! Then is it really such a surprise that other cops in EVERY major city might also beat up innocent bystanders or even walk off the force when confronted with a real emergency like what happened in New Orleans and Hurricane Katrina? Or burn down a house with a real criminal inside?!

      It’s unfortunate that a growing number of cops are nothing more than bullies who, not too surprisingly are also COWARDS! Not all cops but a good number of them ARE!!! But then, it’s also rather cowardly for any cop to not uphold the law especially when he/she sees a fellow officer break the law and decide they are the next incarnation of Billy Jack or Dirty Harry or someone.

      Getting a bunch of doughnut eating Barney Feif’s together at Big Bear is nothing new. About the only thing new here is that they finally found a real criminal to go after but somehow collectively forgot about their oaths. Or did they?!!!

      Welcome to the new America where Nazi Germany is still alive and well. “Jack booted thugs”? Ya, right!

  5. dusanmal says:

    Ruling powers simply can’t take yet another extreme leftist mass murderer while attempting to paint a story of dangerous Right. Hence, kill him to reduce exposure of his writing and motivations and Leftism (and Left Mass Media obliged in hiding a lot of this Leftist manifesto, NoAgenda was one of very few places where you could find it whole).
    That is the story. Not so much victims (sorry for them but the story is how they were less important than Big Government needs for hushing up). Not the act/or no act of lynching a murderer. But the whole process of hushing up inconvenient truth by half truths and redirections.

  6. orchidcup says:

    Cop killers don’t get no mercy.

    There were a number of tactical responses by the police that may have resulted in Dorner’s capture, provided he didn’t shoot himself.

    His apprehension would have resulted in a very expensive trial and an insanity defense.

    The scenario ended as I presumed it would.

    • MikeN says:

      Me too. I predicted liberals were ecstatic over the case, as they get to cheer on a cop killer, and it ends in the death of another cop.

  7. kevink says:

    Batman, Spiderman, Jack Bauer, CSI, Law and Order…. how many of our crime dramas have a person faced with institutional injustice who must bend or break the law in order right the wrongs of the corrupt system?

    Now we have some nut, who targets a police depart, who everyone knows is extremely corrupt, not that it matters, and everyone is astonished that this happened? I am surprised that it doesn’t happen more often.

  8. Anonymous Coward says:

    The police did not intentionally burn the cabin down and the guy with it. It was simply a cross burning that went horribly wrong. ;)

    The extent that portions of the Left (including a CNN panel) cheered on this guy’s murderous behavior is just plain disturbing.

    The veneer of Civilization keeps getting thinner and thinner…

  9. mojo says:

    Yep, that’s what an “understood” shoot-to-kill order looks like.

  10. super77 says:

    Same sh*t different day. The cops could have easily waited him out, collected even more overtime pay and put him behind bars. But hey, let’s get some justified payback and no one will be to blame.

    Move along, nothing to see here.

  11. I shot the sheriff but I didn't shoot no deputy says:

    Fire cannot burn fire…

  12. Tim says:

    Over here, over there, there’s wallets wallets everywhere;
    On a bus,
    Out in the street,
    One by a pier where the fishies like to meet.
    At a park,
    And on the border,
    And one in a cabin survived a white-phosphor morter…

    *One thing that is known is that he was a former police officer himself. In 1987, he had been accepted onto the Arcadia police force. He was let go just over a year later, for reasons that remain unclear. The chief of the Arcadia force, Dave Hinig, provided only vague answers for reporters, citing confidentiality laws.*
    http://davesweb.cnchost.com/stevenson.html

    burned alive on Cnn after canister launched into top window…
    http://greatdreams.com/atf_8-31-2001.html

  13. bobbo, constantly reminding the foolish of First Principles says:

    On the news—audio tapes of the cops intentionally setting the house on fire to smoke him out. It was getting dark and they didn’t want him getting away or a few more cops getting shot.

    Fair enough. Dorner was a special case. I give the cops a pass on whatever tactics they wanted to use.

    Not so on the people they killed and rammed vehicles with. This was akin to a “Police Riot” that we see all too often with our gang in Blue. Lip service to “Protect and Serve.” Like pirates with Letters of Marque–the Police are near criminals doing our bidding because, ……. thats what it takes. Or at least, its the seemingly cheapest way to offer the illusion of safety.

    The system is comprised of people…. with all the faults. Read the manifesto. Treat most citizens the way the LAPD does, and we slink away licking our wounds and do our best to avoid cops whenever possible. Treat an LAPD cop the same way and you get asymmetrical retaliation.

    Who do you think we are dealing with?

  14. jpfitz says:

    Same as it ever was.

  15. Publius says:

    LAPD immolates suspects using “burners.” President Obama bombs suspects using drones. The mainstream says this is OK or even cool.

    It’s all becoming quite consistent.

    Good Luck and Good Night

  16. Glenn E. says:

    Perhaps it’s too much of a grand conspiracy to be believed. But all the evidence against Dorner, comes from the very LAPD for whom he was supposedly seeking revenge. Or was he? And was that really his manifesto, or something that was cooked up or added to, to frame and discredit him?

    The only way, I might believe the LAPD had no hand in manufacturing any of the evidence. Or making Dorner into a fugitive, in order to silence his testimony against them. Would be if the FBI investigated and cleared the department. But how likely is that to happen? Even then, they might still be covering for the LAPD. As they apparently have for years, if what Dorner says in his manifesto, is true. So the Feds could still be willing to cover for a corrupt police department. And Dorner, and his alleged victims. Just collateral damage for keeping the LAPD’s dirty laundry, from going public.

    Note: Jack Webb is no longer with us, to make those Tv shows and movies, praising the virtues of the LAPD. No more Dragnet, Adam-12. So I wonder who they’ll find to restart that Tv propaganda mill? Gotta make the public believe, again.

  17. Grandpa says:

    A violent man came to a violent end. No different than Bin Laden. If you don’t want these murders dead, move to another country.

  18. MikeN says:

    Liberal media wanted to rile up the public with the image of cops oppressing blacks. Dorner was 11 when Rodney King was beaten up. The media at the time showed an edited tape to fit their story, making it look like the jury was racist to acquit. This fed Dorner’s racial grievances, as can be seen in his ‘manifesto’.

    As for his being fired for snitching, the case breaks down when you look at the facts. Plenty of eyewitnesses say the cop that allegedly did the beating, was not close enough to the struggle to have done what Dorner said. Plus it shouldn’t have mattered if Dorner was telling the truth: Dorner himself couldn’t subdue the guy despite being on top in the struggle. Some ‘excessive force’ is justified there.

  19. MikeN says:

    After Newtown, did anyone say they agreed with the murderer?

  20. T says:

    Not to mention the audio recordings of swat clearly saying they planted the burners ready to go ahead with burn plan. Obviously SWAT tactical uses some encrypted method the general public can’t listen, but they said that over the regular radio to command, and anyone listening to the police scanners live heard it. The fire was intentional and was not a result of gas, but burners they went in and set.

    You can here chatter they went in, saw blood, placed burners, left. They saw blood after hearing a single shot, and saw what might be a body, and rather than look to see if he was dead, they just burned it. That is arson, and the owner of the cabin should sue the sheriff.