1. jim g says:

    Of course there are way fewer homes without guns— there are also way MORE homes with no one living in them. Something like 80 empty homes per homeless person….

    • jim g says:

      edit: way more homes without guns

      • bobbo, neutering gun nuts with their own lack of ammunition says:

        Hey–no need, we all know where you are coming from: all those empty homes not responding to the survey. Empty means empty. No guns or anything else.

        Makes sense. Thanks for sharing.

  2. Dallas says:

    I bet there are more guns in homes that had guns! Thanks to two term President Obama, the loons are going crazy buying them.

    • orchidcup says:

      Hey, I just bought a pump-action shotgun because Joe Biden told me to.

      I actually get a thrill from pumping 5 one-ounce slugs into an imaginary bad guy at the shooting range.

      I feel safe when I have a shotgun loaded and waiting under the bed.

      I can’t wait to get a chance to use it on a real bad guy.

      • Captain Obvious says:

        Personally, I keep sex toys under the bed for me and the Mrs. No wonder white Republicans are dying off, they don’t know how to breed anymore.

        • msbpodcast says:

          Thank you for seeing what’s right in front of your face. :-)

          I come from Québec where, in the 1960s, poor Québecois won a demographic war against the Anglos by out fucking them.

          Once that war was declared over, the birth rate plummeted and the gay male and female population skyrocketed. (We also threw the Catholic clergy out of our lives and, given the amount of buildings suddenly available for repurposing, turned quite a few churches into titty bars. :-))

          Once an imperative to bred is passed, people focus on amusement and profit.

          I fully expect that pattern to continue as we pass from one bunch of less fortunate sons to the next.

          • Anglo from Quebec says:

            Of course it could have been that more and 1/2 a million Anglos left over the next 20 years to find work or with their job because of racist attitudes towards the English speaking minority.

            Pastagate continues….

          • JT Hut says:

            Even the Bank of Montreal moved its headquarters to Toronto

      • B. Dog says:

        I’m not buying that story. Slugs cost too much. A real orchidcup woulda used birdshot.

        • msbpodcast says:

          I can’t wait to get a chance to use it on a real bad guy.

          I’ll bet that a case of those came complimentary with the shotgun.

          They aren’t about to ever get used…

          He’s really firing using rock salt.

          • Jim says:

            you remember that moment from the bond movie “a view to a kill” as well?

      • Dallas says:

        I know what you mean. There is something exciting about a shotgun. I played HALO quite a bit.

        If I catch someone in my property, I have 10 ft walls around my property, concrete clips and lotta duct tape.

      • 0bummer says:

        I’d like some pump action with Dallas and Adam in a Jacuzzi as long as Ms. Micki is taking pics! In the Morning Dalla$$!

    • Mextli says:

      ” Thanks to two term President Obama, the loons are going crazy buying them.”

      He finally accomplished SOMETHING!

      • Dallas says:

        I suppose we measure accomplishment differently!

        Glad Obama gave you that last bit of excuse to get your wife to let you buy another gun and GI Joe

  3. gquaglia says:

    Like I’m going to tell some idiot on a phone survey that I have guns in my house.

    • Ah_Yea says:

      There you are! Finally someone on the blog got to the correct point.

      This survey isn’t about more guns in the home as much as ab out LESS trust in telling anyone you have a gun in the home!

      It’s so obvious.

      • Charliej says:

        All of you republicans distrusted the polls that showed Obama winning a second term. How did that work out for you? You distrust the polls, the American people are voting with their wallets. Not buying guns. I am from south Alabama. I know lots of people with twenty or more guns. I don’t know how more guns equals more protection. Mostly, it equals more mental disease. Let us say that you are walking down the street with all your guns. Your sworn enemy waits for you to pass, steps out behind you and shoots you in the back. You are dead, and all the guns did not help. Gun owners fantasize about defending their home. They are much more likely to be shot in a bar. Or, on the sidewalk. Or, in the home by a family member. More guns equals more gun deaths. Any other conclusion is wrong.

        • deegee says:

          I know lots of people with twenty or more guns. I don’t know how more guns equals more protection. Mostly, it equals more mental disease.

          huh?

          Just because a person likes firearms for what can be a variety of reasons (collector, historian, target and skeet, range shooting, police or military, etc.) that doesn’t mean that they have a mental disease.
          If simply owning a lot of some inanimate object means you have a mental disease, then stamp collectors, model railroad, car collectors, and on and on, all have a mental disease.

          People who are afraid of guns are the ones with a mental disease.
          Hoplophobic much?

          • Charliej says:

            Not afraid of firearms, learned to hunt at seven years with my grandfather. Learned more about guns in the Navy. I just have never felt the need for “protection”. To listen to the gun freaks tell it, you will be dead in twenty minutes if you leave home without your weapons. I made it to retirement without getting killed. As far as “mental disease”, listen to the rhetoric coming from the NRA and tell me those people are sane.

        • MikeN says:

          Most counties in America had either zero or one murder in a given year. If more guns is more death, then do you think all these counties are gun free?

      • deegee says:

        Any intelligent person knows that surveys are useless. They would do better by checking those states that have various types of licensing or registration, and using those numbers as a general per-capita value.

        Most gun owners will not tell someone calling on the phone that they have any guns.
        The first rule of OPSEC is that you don’t talk about OPSEC.

  4. Mr Diesel says:

    Funny, right after Obomba had his “I’m ignoring the 2nd amendment” speach in Dec I went out and bought 3 more guns at Walmart. Why? Walmart does not raise prices when the asshat speaks.

    I can afford to buy any gun I want and the ammo to go with it.

    Much like any survey I answer that it is none of your business bu if they were to call me and ask if I had guns I would just say no and lie through my teeth. None of their fucking business what I own. They don’t call and ask if you have a hammer or knife or car in your possession and they all killed more than so-called assault weapons last year.

    I just got a letter from the NRA yesterday and I can add a bunch of life members for a very good reduced price. Sounds like a plan to me.

  5. Fishwrap says:

    Anyone who would question the plain language of the Second Amendment is a totalitarian — communist, fascist, or some other variant. The fact that anti-gun legislation is even on the legislative agenda bodes ill for the republic. I’m beginning to think the only solution is to break-up the U.S. into separate countries — one for anti-gun, pro-choice, nanny-state socialists and one for the rest of us. Then we could see which country fares better socially and economically.

    • Mr Diesel says:

      Yes, split the country into the hard stupid shell on each coast and leave the chewy center to the normal people.

    • bobbo, neutering gun nuts with their own lack of ammunition says:

      Red states already draw more from the Fed Gov than they contribute.

      True for tax revenue….. and about everything else one can think of.

      What color is the sky in your world?

      But I second your wish…. with the notion that as legal guns pour over into and pollute areas where they are illegal, could we make that separate planets?

      Plain language huh?===So what does in order to maintain a well regulated militia mean???- – - in plain language? And as plain as the language is==do you have a god given natural right to own a bazooka???

      Can you think at all?

      • Pmitchell says:

        Bullshit Bobbo Texas is a net payer here is the list of the top 10 who take the most tax payer money per dollar sent back

        1. New Mexico: $2.63 democrat
        2. West Virginia: $2.57 democrat
        3. Mississippi: $2.47 republican
        4. District of Colombia: $2.41 communist democrat
        5. Hawaii: $2.38 democrat idiots
        6. Alabama: $2.03 republican
        7. Alaska: $1.93 republican
        8. Montana: $1.92republican
        9. South Carolina: $1.92 democrat
        10. Maine: $1.78 democrat

        check you lies and spin at the door sonny your reign as the spin doctor of liberal bullshit is over at this blog

        • bobbo, neutering gun nuts with their own lack of ammunition says:

          Hey PM—–”I’m INNOCENT!!!”

          Just repeating what I’ve heard many times. But I take things, like this study and your rebuke, at FACE VALUE unless obviously flawed.

          Your comment is not obviously flawed, and as the subject is of interest and import, I will try to find an authoratative truthful link to the truth.

          Do you have a link yourself? I assume you don’t keep that list in your head. ……. On second look, I doubt New Mexico or any state gets more than twice back than what they pay in? Makes research even more mandatory.

          Thanks.

          And….. I do note your humor with DC. That was a mighty fine touch.

          Kudos.

        • bobbo, neutering gun nuts with their own lack of ammunition says:

          Well PM–your numbers look accurate but your conclusion is exactly bass ackwards. How does that happen?

          I said Red States. By context, that means an average==not ever single Red state. Do you manipulate reality to its opposite on every issue you hold dear????

          Here is a nice picture of the state. All the Southern states except 3 are net welfare states. The 3 worst welfare states are in the South.

          America would be so much better without having to drag this Red State White Trash around… but we fought a war over such issues, and better or worse we are stuck with you.

          http://economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2011/08/americas-fiscal-union

          What a dolt.

          • Pmitchell says:

            http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2011/11/states-federal-taxes-spending-charts-maps

            this is my link and the 3 of the 4 worst states are democratic so you say tomato I say tomatoe

          • bobbo, neutering gun nuts with their own lack of ammunition says:

            Mother Jones???? I’m surprised you didn’t spontaneously combust. Should make an interesting read given that the Headline for the article is:

            “Most Red States Take More Money From Washington Than They Put In”

            but your careful reading tells you the opposite huh?

            “♫….la, la, la….I believe what I believe, I do….because, I believe what I believe.”

            …… so lets read with careful attention to the general vs your specific rejoinder?

        • tcc3 says:

          SC – democrat?

          This makes me doubt the rest of your information.

          • bobbo, neutering gun nuts with their own lack of ammunition says:

            Good catch tc. The interactive maps at Mother Jones are fun to play with for a few minutes, going back and forth.

            Not worth the effort.

            I stand by my original assessment. Always reassuring to find my prejudices are grounded in fact while the opposition flounders in lies, half truths, and early studies.

            Ha, ha. When everything you think is a lie, who are you…… really?

          • Pmitchell says:

            they were blue this time around that makes them democrat.

            bobbo 6 of the 10 worst offenders in the tax money grab are democratic so facts don’t lie but liberals do

        • GunScientologist says:

          Texas isn’t part of the ‘South’. Ask any true Southerner.

      • 0bummer says:

        >>Red states already draw more from the Fed Gov than they contribute.

        Citations much DoucheBobbo? Facts or get punched in the mouth! In the Morning!

        • MikeN says:

          Hey, there’s lots of military bases and federal lands in red states, plus the Social Security recipients flee blue states to live in low cost low tax states like Arizona and Texas.

      • Fishwrap says:

        Bobbo, without resorting to ad hominem attacks concerning the quality (or lack thereof ) of your mental processes, I believe the Second Amendment permits, nay requires, citizens to be armed in a manner equivalent to the modern military infantryman (or infantry-person if you prefer), including an M136 AT4 (bazookas went out in the Korean era), a selective-fire M4 carbine, M249 light machine gun (LMG), M240B general-purpose machine gun (GPMG), night-vision capability, body armor, and so forth. It’s not about deer hunting. “Sporting purposes” is a canard. Put that in your musket and smoke it.

      • 0bummer says:

        Bobbo has no facts for his routine “dullerious assertions”. Bobbo, would you please update your knowledge base with more community college courses? And please take your meds!

  6. birddog says:

    I do not think the number of households with guns has declined, I think the admission of owning a gun has, with good reason. The same thing that is driving gun sales to all time highs is also the same reason people lie about owning one.

    • GunScientologist says:

      Sure that’s your right to believe what you want (Sec. of State Kerry said so :) but research, other than above, could prove otherwise. Thinking something is so, may not make it so.

  7. Guyver says:

    If things are in a decline, then why bother creating more gun control to deny law-abiding citizens their exercise of their Constitutional rights?

    Why foster an environment that compels them to buy more than they normally would? Doesn’t pass the sniff test.

    At the end of the day, the perfecting of 3D printed guns will make this all a moot point.

  8. Pmitchell says:

    did any one bother to look at the reason ….. gun laws in the most populous cities and areas of this country make it impossible to own a gun . Gotta love how the liberal spin machine is trying to use this. My friend in New Jersey wants a gun to protect his family and it will take him over a year and a tangle of paperwork and bureaucracy just to get a shot gun and he said forget it it was not worth the trouble

    Every singe state with out exception that has passed a concealed carry has seen a decline in crime, but you stupid liberals fools still think your way is the best ” it just has not been implemented correctly yet “

    • bobbo, neutering gun nuts with their own lack of ammunition says:

      PM–study after study shows that the biggest single predictor of crime is the percentage of young males in the population.

      What do you think of that?

      • Pmitchell says:

        they sounds like a truth
        but is it being male or the fact that the American school system and value system is in the toilet for liberalism. No score soccer , no grade tests, no personal responsibility, No GOD or moral turpitude taught

        • bobbo, neutering gun nuts with their own lack of ammunition says:

          Lot of truth there too PM. You do maintain a shred of potential. I would only quibble with the labels you use…. but something very disasterous to our education system has been festering for all too long.

          Lack of rigor in the 3 R’s, lack of parental involvement…. whole lists are available. I don’t think it is “liberalism” other than it being a part of the problem, as is “conservatism”, as is religion==all of them not being any part of the 3 R’s.

          I’ll say again in fond memory of Dear Old Dad: “Your job is to learn in spite of your teachers.” He was no fun at all.

      • 0bummer says:

        State your sources? Proof or STFU.

    • GunScientologist says:

      Hold on their partner! Your assumption that gun concealment is correlated w/reduced crime. I’ve seen crime stats that show crime rates going down BEFORE concealment laws were ever considered. What about reading a bit more on the subject, please.
      Every time I’ve went camping it has rained, but that doesn’t mean my tent is the cause of storm fronts. If that were the case, I’d could make a fortune charging farmers, in the Mid-West, to set up camp on their land.

  9. bobbo, neutering gun nuts with their own lack of ammunition says:

    Pmitchell doggedly demonstrating how much effort it takes to stay stupid says:
    3/12/2013 at 8:58 am

    they were blue this time around that makes them democrat. /// Ah–so you are combining other information with that presented. Did you include all the states relevant or did you cherry pick? I take you at face value that you did not cherry pick but rather used what states voted for Obama in 2012. Thats one definition even where the Governor and Legislatures of the state remain overwhelmingly Republican. It is all definitional.

    Fair enough. Problem with doing your own research is you can’t link to it to spot any obvious errors. Not winning for a forum discussion.

    bobbo 6 of the 10 worst offenders in the tax money grab are democratic so facts don’t lie but liberals do /// Well, who’s lying when you give a link to prove something and it proves the opposite except if we add in your secret information that can’t be confirmed?

    Hmmmmmm? Now–I have only said that YOU have been lied to, not that you are a liar, except to that degree you lazily pass on lies from others.

    Heh, heh. Is “guns don’t kill people” a lie or the truth?

    Just testing.

    • Pmitchell says:

      I do stand corrected I thought the Carolinas went Obama this round so with out it is still a 50/ 50 mix in the top 10

      • tcc3 says:

        You still cant count – its 6/10. Even thats if you count DOC as blue, which im not sure is appropriate since the currently Republican congress controls their budget.

        Keep on digging…

  10. bobbo, neutering gun nuts with their own lack of ammunition says:

    deegee says:
    3/12/2013 at 12:40 pm

    Any intelligent person knows that surveys are useless. /// Just the opposite….. making you…….(intelligent people filled in the blank on their own initial read)

    They would do better by checking those states that have various types of licensing or registration, and using those numbers as a general per-capita value. /// I thought most gun registrations were NOT in a data base? so yeah—if guns were registered, kept in a data base, such a system would be better than a survey. But Wayne LaPierre is agin it.

    Most gun owners will not tell someone calling on the phone that they have any guns. /// And you know that how? And by such haruspication you negate the trend line over years how?

    DeeGee…. why you so dumb?

  11. deowll says:

    I will agree with Dallas about something. The number of guns sold as a direct response to BO is absolutely staggering. The manufacturers can’t keep up. I would also doubt that a survey asking about gun ownerships is going to get a more honest response than asking if you keep jewelry and money at home. Anyone with a brain is very likely to say no or drop dead.

    • McCullough says:

      That’s pretty much my response to anyone political or otherwise who calls me and asks me about details of my personal life.

      Surveys are not to be trusted.

      • bobbo, neutering gun nuts with their own lack of ammunition says:

        Pure Ignorance. The SCIENCE of surveys takes into account non responsive targets==thats why there is a necessary group size and a confidence level.

        Also, be aware of labeling errors. If I go out and make then publish a “survey” how valid is it??==Not much. No, the SOURCE and credibility of the survey author has to be evaluated as well. And along the “Statistics Lie” argument==you have to appreciate exactly what the survey actually surveyed. Individual ownership, home ownership, home ownership plus in your car or garage, and so forth==three very different surveys.

        Always amusing when people who don’t know jack squat think they know more than experts who spend their lives in an activity.

        Do you really think surveys are rendered invalid because of people refusing to answer questions?

        ….. yes, we can all point to failures in surveys, polling and what not. Thats why Gallop got the Election Wrong and Nate Silver scored 100% on a State by State Analysis.

        Science.

  12. Ah_Yea says:

    So can someone (who isn’t a troll or an idiot, a zealot, or bozo the troll who is apparently all three) explain why Gallup shows that Gun ownership is UP (and I mean WAY up?)

    How’s this?
    “Republicans and Democrats say they have a gun in their household: 55% to 40%.

    The percentage of women who report household gun ownership is also at a new high, now registering 43%.

    At 47%, reported gun ownership is the highest it has been in nearly two decades. …”

    I love the charts, which clearly shows how gun ownership is up a good 10 points in major demographics. Obama IS the best gun saleman EVER!

    http://tinyurl.com/ahhz5me

    • bobbo, neutering gun nuts with their own lack of ammunition says:

      From the OP link: “Gallup, which asks a similar question but has a different survey design, shows a higher ownership rate and a more moderate decrease. No national survey tracks the number of guns within households.” /// aka they don’t expand home ownershp to include other locations as does Gallup. The two surveys are completely consistent with one another.

  13. MikeN says:

    So the number of households have increased, so non gun owners have gone from 50 to 65%. Probably in line with an increase in single women.

  14. bobbo, neutering gun nuts with their own lack of ammunition says:

    Fishwrap in a rare attempt to bring some dignity to this forum says:
    3/13/2013 at 7:03 am

    Bobbo, without resorting to ad hominem attacks concerning the quality (or lack thereof ) of your mental processes, /// and yet you immediately get into the mud. Revealing……. we are all too much hopelessly the same. Some just better than others.

    I believe the Second Amendment permits, // yes, thats what it says

    nay requires, /// doesn’t say that at all. Old timey law passed to say that. Don’t recall the details on what happened thereafter.

    citizens to be armed in a manner equivalent to the modern military infantryman (or infantry-person if you prefer), /// doesn’t say that at all. Thats a Court Inspired piece of Active Interpretation. Don’t modern infantry have full auto weapons?

    including an M136 AT4 (bazookas went out in the Korean era), /// yep–its not even current/up to specs yet you still can’t have one.

    a selective-fire M4 carbine, M249 light machine gun (LMG), M240B general-purpose machine gun (GPMG), night-vision capability, body armor, and so forth. /// got a link…or is this indeed just what you “believe” totally unattached from any reality? Your belief is obvious not true—just look around. Read a few newspapes?

    It’s not about deer hunting. “Sporting purposes” is a canard. /// I agree. Sporting doesn’t go to purposes of the 2nd Amendment. Its more often stated as what motivates the public in wanting to keep rifles legal. The actual canard is the one you believe==that it is to protect the people from the government. Thats just plain stoopid silly. The Militia was to protect the government from foreign governments, not the Feds.

    Put that in your musket and smoke it. /// And that touches on what I think the SCt will some day conclude: what the 2nd Amend enshrines is only the level of lethality that private weapons represented back then. Its the danger compared to the benefits that sets the level and quality of what guns should be allowed. Today, that still remains “muskets.”

    Hard to argue that the Const changes to recognize more sophisticated guns yet should not change to recognize the associated threat.

    • MikeN says:

      Now the Supreme Court just needs to hold that the First Amendment only applies to media that existed when it was adopted. Internet, TV, radio can be censored.

      • bobbo, neutering gun nuts with their own lack of ammunition says:

        Mickey thats a good example of bumper sticker non-think that marks the conservative right wing.

        The rule is the same: matching the goals of the Bill of Rights to technology, society, pros and cons over time.

        The goal of the 2nd Amnd was to allow for self arming and protection IN THE CONTEXT of single shot muskets where one man with a weapon could not do that much harm. Thats not true if you upgrade weapons to what an adequately militia might have today.

        Now==what is the PURPOSE of the 1st Amend and how is that purpose affected by changes in society and technology??? at the time, free speech was saying what you wanted to, reading what you wanted to, seeing what you wanted to. Instead of foolishly only looking at changes in the technology==what are the changes/risks/benefits to the 1st Amend and to Society with the various forms of speech we have today?

        I hope you can see the difference? so like a magpie you are–you see a bright shining object and see nothing else.

        Can you do any better?