1. deowll says:

    I will agree with Dallas about something. The number of guns sold as a direct response to BO is absolutely staggering. The manufacturers can’t keep up. I would also doubt that a survey asking about gun ownerships is going to get a more honest response than asking if you keep jewelry and money at home. Anyone with a brain is very likely to say no or drop dead.

    • McCullough says:

      That’s pretty much my response to anyone political or otherwise who calls me and asks me about details of my personal life.

      Surveys are not to be trusted.

      • bobbo, neutering gun nuts with their own lack of ammunition says:

        Pure Ignorance. The SCIENCE of surveys takes into account non responsive targets==thats why there is a necessary group size and a confidence level.

        Also, be aware of labeling errors. If I go out and make then publish a “survey” how valid is it??==Not much. No, the SOURCE and credibility of the survey author has to be evaluated as well. And along the “Statistics Lie” argument==you have to appreciate exactly what the survey actually surveyed. Individual ownership, home ownership, home ownership plus in your car or garage, and so forth==three very different surveys.

        Always amusing when people who don’t know jack squat think they know more than experts who spend their lives in an activity.

        Do you really think surveys are rendered invalid because of people refusing to answer questions?

        ….. yes, we can all point to failures in surveys, polling and what not. Thats why Gallop got the Election Wrong and Nate Silver scored 100% on a State by State Analysis.


  2. Ah_Yea says:

    So can someone (who isn’t a troll or an idiot, a zealot, or bozo the troll who is apparently all three) explain why Gallup shows that Gun ownership is UP (and I mean WAY up?)

    How’s this?
    “Republicans and Democrats say they have a gun in their household: 55% to 40%.

    The percentage of women who report household gun ownership is also at a new high, now registering 43%.

    At 47%, reported gun ownership is the highest it has been in nearly two decades. …”

    I love the charts, which clearly shows how gun ownership is up a good 10 points in major demographics. Obama IS the best gun saleman EVER!


    • bobbo, neutering gun nuts with their own lack of ammunition says:

      From the OP link: “Gallup, which asks a similar question but has a different survey design, shows a higher ownership rate and a more moderate decrease. No national survey tracks the number of guns within households.” /// aka they don’t expand home ownershp to include other locations as does Gallup. The two surveys are completely consistent with one another.

  3. MikeN says:

    So the number of households have increased, so non gun owners have gone from 50 to 65%. Probably in line with an increase in single women.

  4. bobbo, neutering gun nuts with their own lack of ammunition says:

    Fishwrap in a rare attempt to bring some dignity to this forum says:
    3/13/2013 at 7:03 am

    Bobbo, without resorting to ad hominem attacks concerning the quality (or lack thereof ) of your mental processes, /// and yet you immediately get into the mud. Revealing……. we are all too much hopelessly the same. Some just better than others.

    I believe the Second Amendment permits, // yes, thats what it says

    nay requires, /// doesn’t say that at all. Old timey law passed to say that. Don’t recall the details on what happened thereafter.

    citizens to be armed in a manner equivalent to the modern military infantryman (or infantry-person if you prefer), /// doesn’t say that at all. Thats a Court Inspired piece of Active Interpretation. Don’t modern infantry have full auto weapons?

    including an M136 AT4 (bazookas went out in the Korean era), /// yep–its not even current/up to specs yet you still can’t have one.

    a selective-fire M4 carbine, M249 light machine gun (LMG), M240B general-purpose machine gun (GPMG), night-vision capability, body armor, and so forth. /// got a link…or is this indeed just what you “believe” totally unattached from any reality? Your belief is obvious not true—just look around. Read a few newspapes?

    It’s not about deer hunting. “Sporting purposes” is a canard. /// I agree. Sporting doesn’t go to purposes of the 2nd Amendment. Its more often stated as what motivates the public in wanting to keep rifles legal. The actual canard is the one you believe==that it is to protect the people from the government. Thats just plain stoopid silly. The Militia was to protect the government from foreign governments, not the Feds.

    Put that in your musket and smoke it. /// And that touches on what I think the SCt will some day conclude: what the 2nd Amend enshrines is only the level of lethality that private weapons represented back then. Its the danger compared to the benefits that sets the level and quality of what guns should be allowed. Today, that still remains “muskets.”

    Hard to argue that the Const changes to recognize more sophisticated guns yet should not change to recognize the associated threat.

    • MikeN says:

      Now the Supreme Court just needs to hold that the First Amendment only applies to media that existed when it was adopted. Internet, TV, radio can be censored.

      • bobbo, neutering gun nuts with their own lack of ammunition says:

        Mickey thats a good example of bumper sticker non-think that marks the conservative right wing.

        The rule is the same: matching the goals of the Bill of Rights to technology, society, pros and cons over time.

        The goal of the 2nd Amnd was to allow for self arming and protection IN THE CONTEXT of single shot muskets where one man with a weapon could not do that much harm. Thats not true if you upgrade weapons to what an adequately militia might have today.

        Now==what is the PURPOSE of the 1st Amend and how is that purpose affected by changes in society and technology??? at the time, free speech was saying what you wanted to, reading what you wanted to, seeing what you wanted to. Instead of foolishly only looking at changes in the technology==what are the changes/risks/benefits to the 1st Amend and to Society with the various forms of speech we have today?

        I hope you can see the difference? so like a magpie you are–you see a bright shining object and see nothing else.

        Can you do any better?


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