Consider that in California, millionaires on top of the 39.6 percent they’ll pay to the federal government in 2013, there’s an additional 14.63 percent that now goes to the state. Add in payroll taxes, local taxes, and property taxes, and I’ve seen estimates that the total tax bite could exceed 60 percent here.

But the rich aren’t paying their “fair share.”

Rachel Maddow was last seen running screaming from the set.



  1. Doug Roberts says:

    He still has more to live on than a single person earning $20,000.00 per year and paying no taxes.

    • dusanmal says:

      And that is irrelevant. We are not in Communism “from everyone as much as he can, to everyone as much as he needs” idiocracy. That have solidly failed wherever applied. Because in such system person earning 20000$ per year has no pressure to do better and person earning 200 Mil.$ has exactly opposite pressure to earn less instead to do better.
      When every person and corporation pays the same percentage of every earned dollar with no exceptions or loopholes – than it is fair system in which everyone has proportionally same responsibility for running and funding Government (hence equal drive to see that money spent wisely), has no need to waste money and time on finding loopholes or honey pots, has exact predictable expectation what taxes he/she/it pays and most importantly has equal drive to do better as by doing better at any stage of wealth – results in real and proportional increase in wealth.

      • Phydeau says:

        Your Republican party is fighting tooth and nail against closing loopholes, dusanmal. Gee, I wonder why?

        • Rightly Correct says:

          Wrong again there, Phydeau.

          Republicans have said time and time again that they want to close the (tax) loopholes. In fact, they want to do a lot of things EXCEPT raise taxes which is what Obama wants to do.

          Let me say that again, Republicans do NOT want to rise taxes ON ANYONE! And yes, that means NOT raising taxes on rich people TOO!!!

          Republicans want desperately to stop a lot of the money squandering as well. They want to do this by cutting funding to a lot of wasteful government programs like the Presidential Election Campaign fund which has something like $35 million in it and growing every day. And yes, that’s almost nothing when compared to a $1.3 trillion-dollar deficit, but it’s only ONE example!

          And the fact that Obama does NOT want to make these things a priority is what all the Washington bickering is about.

          It’s the very fact that Obama wants to make raising taxes “on everyone equally” that has them all stalled about any sort of negotiations.

          After all, you can’t just suddenly impose a national health care plan and expect the fairy godmother to pay for it can you?!

          Or don’t you keep up with the news?

          http://www.forbes.com/sites/dougbandow/2012/01/16/nows-the-time-to-start-cutting-wasteful-government-programs/

          http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/sen-tom-coburn-criticizes-wasteful-government-programs-2010/story?id=12437190

          http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/20/top-ten-wasteful-government-programs/

          (You might like to pay attention to who’s more often sounding the alarms about government waste and what party they belong to a little bit more.)

          • Martfin says:

            Don’t give me that crap about republicans want to stop money squandering, they just want to squander it to their rich friends or start a needless war so that the defense industry can get richer.

          • pedro says:

            Forgive Fido. He’s on the club of those who think Demagogues voted against slavery during Lincoln’s tenure (Spielberg said so, so it’s true)

      • ECA says:

        Dear Dush..(sp)

        Under Communism, there are NO TAXES..
        Why are you Flinging words.
        Dont throw out Words ro meanings, you dont Understand.

        “When every person and corporation pays the same percentage of every earned dollar with no exceptions or loopholes – than it is fair system in which everyone has proportionally same responsibility for running and funding Government”

        NO..
        Under a democracy, we have to be ACTIVE in government. We have to goto MEETINGS to get our words heard..We have to send LETTERS and tell our representatives, WHAT we want.
        The Difficulty tends to be, WHO IS PAYING MORE to be heard the loudest..

        • Rightly Correct says:

          I agree with most everything you said. You also make a good argument FOR the “flat tax” which was first proposed by a Republican. ( http://www.heritage.org/research/factsheets/2012/01/the-new-flat-tax-encourages-growth-and-job-creation ) After all, fair is fair.

          But you left out one other key thing about staying involved, you need to also stay INFORMED and NOT believe the rhetoric of your own party (or the other one)! Perhaps the best way to help guide your pursuit of knowledge in politics is to follow another piece of age old advice, follow the money.

          (I might also suggest you learn some more English skills since you seem to have incorrectly used the word “than” for the word “then” despite the horrible sentence structure. It’s a little annoying and hints at a seriously lacking education which also tends to hint that you’re not very well informed. — I know, it’s nitpicking.)

  2. moss says:

    Millionaires paying the scheduled rate? Let me get my rubber boots.

    • A "MILLIONAIRE" says:

      Uh-huh, all millionaires cheat on their taxes right? Well I’m a “millioniare” and I fear the IRS more than I do contracting cancer. And you better believe I pay all my taxes.

      I don’t like it but I do.

      • Rightly Correct says:

        You’re a millionaire?!

        So, tell us. How can a person earn a buck, and more importantly keep a buck without scamming the government somehow? You obviously know how to do that by cheating on your taxes and/or by taking advantage of those tax loop holes (created mostly by liberals trying to even things up), or else you wouldn’t be so rich. Right?!

        It seems that if you’re a jealous poor person (such as an average blogging liberal) that taxing the crap out of rich people like you is the only way to get even. It’s also a way to force you to do the right thing which is to join the communist -er- socialist -er- democrat party! ;-)

        (I’m sorry, I forgot the difference between socialist and democrat values. Can someone please TELL it to us again? Be sure that vilify that which you don’t care to understand while you’re at too.)

      • LibertyLover says:

        I’m a millionaire, too, but I don’t pay my taxes.

        My customers pay them for me.

        I’ve about come to conclusion that I couldn’t give a rat’s ass if liberals want to raise taxes or not. They aren’t raising my taxes. They are raising the prices for the goods I produce and sell. They’re only cutting their own throats.

        Let it burn!

  3. noname says:

    Who was right Rachel Maddow or Bill Mahr?

    Me thinks Rachel Maddow was right!

    • Rightly Correct says:

      Right about what?! THEY’RE BOTH RIGHT!

      The thing that’s so interesting although, weirdly funny is that they’re fighting about it. Why fight when you both AGREE?!

      OK! I sense you (or someone) is going to go on the rich people bashing kick (again). But look at what Bill Mar said:

      That’s the key! Because, you know what? Rich people, rich people… I’m sure you’d agree with it (pointing) actually do pay the freight in this country. (Host/guest asks: “Do we?”) I just saw the statistics and some of these (rich people) pay like 70-percent. And here in California, I just want to say, liberals, you could actually loose me. It’s outrageous what we’re paying. Over 50 per… I’m willing to pay my fair share. But ya. I mean it’s ridiculous.

      So the thing that seems to keep getting muddled up is whether we’re talking about a demographic (group) of “rich people” or INDIVIDUAL “rich people”. And I admit, it’s a little hard to keep up when they keep switching around like that.

    • stormtrooper 651 says:

      Just another 4 old white dudes on a TV panel complaining about having to pay taxes.

  4. Anonymous says:

    Meh, You Commies won’t be happy till we’re all totally dependant on the gov’t.

    • Phydeau says:

      Yeah, that record high stock market last week… Socialist Comrade Obama is destroying America!!!

      (Actually he’s working on destroying it the Republican way… the vast majority of stock is owned by rich people, so they are benefiting while us regular joes are falling behind.)

      • Anonymous says:

        You believe the Stock Market numbers are REAL? Ha, you are an idiot.

        • Phydeau says:

          Oh, right, right! Obama stock numbers are fake, whereas a Republican president’s stock market numbers would be absolutely real!

          Silly me. Got it. :)

          • Anonymous says:

            Nope, still fake, and your STILL an idiot!

          • still looking for an alternate country to move to says:

            The DOW is made up of companies that have a real value, expressed in dollars that have a falling value due to excess printing. If you look at the DOW expressed in some other real currency like gold, you will see the market is in the same decline that started when the bubble poped in 2000. This is why they think they can get away with printing all that money; too many idiots believe the news when they talk about how great the markets are doing.

      • Rightly Correct says:

        Amazing how the stock market goes up when the government slashes spending. Ain’t it?

        I mean, with those sequestration spending cuts that Obama came up with seem to have worked, right?!

        Oh! That’s right. You probably thought the sequestration spending cuts were a bad thing after Obama plead with Americans to try and stop it. Never mind that it was Obama’s idea to come up with sequestration or that he tried to use it as leverage to get the Republicans to agree to increasing taxes INSTEAD!

        Wow! What a backfire that was. For now, anyway since the long term affects may not show up for a while. But then, that’s when Republicans can really start pointing fingers and remind people how it was all Obama’s idea in the first place. It’s also amazing how much more receptive Obama is now towards negotiations. AIN’T IT?! (Amazing also how we’re now calling them “negotiations” as if it were some sort of war or something.)

        IDIOT!

        • mouring says:

          “Never mind that it was Obama’s idea to come up with sequestration [..]”

          Actually it was the Republican’s idea. Boehner who proposed it initially as part of the “Budget Control Act” after pretty much dusting it off from the Reagan years attempt and it failed there to do any good.

  5. bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist and Jr Nobel Prize Winner in Economics fan boi says:

    Study after study says that the higher taxed socialist states in Europe have a higher satisfaction/happiness index than the USA. They live longer, they have higher social mobility (on average), better education and healthcare, and on and on.

    More likely than not, some complicated tax dodge of his was dissallowed and he was feeling the burn.

    THE RICH NOT PAYING THEIR FAIR SHARE is all about Billionaire paying 13% marginal rates. ANYONE PAYING over 50% should be upset and work for tax fairness.

    This country is too rich to put up with the organized cock fighting called the free market place.

    Why don’t you wise up?

    • dave m brewer says:

      Tell me (I’m rich) why I need to pay more taxes than my neighbor who is poor. I don’t use the government for anything but my neighbor does. He get food stamps… free day care… reduced heating and electric so on and so on.

      The way I see it my neighbor needs to pay more taxes than I!

      When my neighbor goes to Wal-Mart he pays the same in tax as I do. That’s the way it should be!!!!!!!

      • NUTS! says:

        Try clearing that up a bit. I hope you mean to say the same tax RATE in which case I would agree. But to say the same taxes implies that you mean the same actual dollars which is WAY wrong!

        This is also different than sales taxes which you used in your example. In fact, its not even close! Because the price of something at Walmart is the price. And anyone buying that thing is really just taxed on the money they spend, NOT the money they have in their wallet! You could even say that sales taxes are akin to a surcharge too.

        But as long as we’re stuck with the socialist modeled income tax system (started by Democrat Woodrow Wilson) then we really need to be more fair about it IF we’re going to be taxing people on their incomes and/or any other assets. (The very fact that we do this IS socialist!) So imposing the same tax RATE is again only fair!

        But you can already see why flat taxing is a failed idea can’t you? Because all of a sudden under a more fair RATE, everyone starts paying a whole lot more tax dollars. And that sort of blows it for the whole liberal utopian dream since even poor liberals all of a sudden have to kick in just like rich people! (It’s a great example of how hypocritical they really are when it comes to greed too.)

    • 0bummer says:

      Hey Dumbo:

      Culture matters. Compare Apple Pie, pomegranates, and herring all you want to continue on a fool’s errand.

      Marginal rates in what? Income or wealth? Yeah Dumbo, it matters.

      Btw, you are a jealous wealth-hating bitch. Useful idiot for the machine.

    • Anonymous Coward says:

      Study after study shows socialist welfare states in Europe are SCREWED as population growth has gone negative at ever increasing rates

      This means that there are fewer and fewer people of working age to support both each others’ welfare, as well as the welfare of their parents’ and grand parents’ (plus the Permanently Unemployed). Not to mention all the government workers whose job it is to grant said welfare.

      Given how prone France is to crippling nation wide strikes at the drop of a floppy hat, I expect to see France economically and politically IMPLODE in grand, dramatic fashion complete with riots lasting for weeks that make the Rodney King riots look like halfhearted, shriveled small potatoes.

  6. bobbo, we think with words, and flower with ideas says:

    With typical total ambiguity, Anonymous says:
    3/16/2013 at 11:37 am

    You believe the Stock Market numbers are REAL? Ha, you are an idiot. /// Yes, I believe they are real. I take things at face value unless obviously false, or a good argument with facts explains otherwise. The only obvious truthful meaning of your words would be that the market is inflated? But that is a BS position to take, so I wonder if you have any substance to your comment, or if you are Pedrolike just yawning the way that TeaPublicans do?

    How are the Stock Market numbers not Real?

    • msbpodcast says:

      The only problem with stock pricing is that people, meaning people who don’t have any skin in the game, dont realize that the words they’re hearing don’t mean what they normally mean when they use the same words.

      Its a gambling game with a gambler’s verbiage: “We thought the company’s value was going to do this (go up or down,) and it didn’t so we’re punishing you by making the stock value do down thereby making the owner’s equity be worth less than if the company’s value had behaved according to our expectations.

      The problems come when the gambler’s, viz:the stock market players’, expectations cant possibly be met.

      Which is why its crucial for corporate managers to expose all kinds of problems, real and unreal, to dampen enthusiasm, even though the know that they are doing they best they can.

      How else can you explain the over-valuation and “irrational exuberance” that takes over the gambler’s (lack of) judgement?

      The trouble is that the company’s management entered into a devil’s bargain with a bunch of over-privileged (wealthy) children (psychotics) in order to get the money they needed to operate their business in the manner they wanted to.

      • bobbo, we think with words, and flower with ideas says:

        Well Mpod, that is a valiant effort, and its not your posted notion, but THAT is not responsive to the complaint and challenge made.

        Yes, all sales are BS. But the point wrongfully made is that the NUMBERS WEREN’T REAL.

        Of course the numbers are real. Like Statistics, the numbers are real. Its what liars, stooges, and marks make of them that felonious fraud takes flight from, very much as you describe. But you enter the argument a few steps away from ab initio. I take that as a subtle admission you believe/(know)/agree that the numbers are as REAL as numbers can be.

        Conflation of ideas. What a terrible waste of a mind- – - to whatever degree it exists to begin with.

        The word for today is: “Disposable” as in income.

  7. bobbo, we think with words, and flower with ideas says:

    Well, let’s see what pure Horse Shit Douche Anal has between his ears this good Caturday:

    dusanmal says:
    3/16/2013 at 11:37 am

    And that is irrelevant. /// No its not. The OP is about Fairness. Certainly we don’t want to tax the RICH, or anyone else, into poverty now do we? That wouldn’t be fair. Its just EXCELLENT that Doug Roberts established a base line we can all build on.

    We are not in Communism “from everyone as much as he can, to everyone as much as he needs” idiocracy. /// I agree. That wouldn’t be fair.

    That have solidly failed wherever applied. Because in such system person earning 20000$ per year has no pressure to do better and person earning 200 Mil.$ has exactly opposite pressure to earn less instead to do better. /// Yeah–but in “such a system” people don’t earn such disparate salaries. So Douche Anus, you start right off the bat by mixing and matching whatever you do to reach your pre set bumper sticker outcome. How come you do dat?

    When every person and corporation pays the same percentage of every earned dollar with no exceptions or loopholes – than it is fair system in which everyone has proportionally same responsibility for running and funding Government (hence equal drive to see that money spent wisely), has no need to waste money and time on finding loopholes or honey pots, has exact predictable expectation what taxes he/she/it pays and most importantly has equal drive to do better as by doing better at any stage of wealth – results in real and proportional increase in wealth. //// What about people holding down two minimal wage jobs with 3 kiddies supporting their eldeerly parents and they just don’t have any money after the necessities of life are taken care of? What about them Douche? IOW–I could buy off on your REGRESSIVE/UNFAIR system if it was applied to Net Income after Necessary and Ordinary Expenses ((forget the name for that term)). Why is that not fair in your book?

    Care to be informative? …. relevant….. or just post and leave without ever burying your scat first?

    RICH = CRIMINAL. Details on Request.

    • The0ne says:

      Can’t disagree myself with what you’ve said. Have to stop this. My beef is really that the Rich will take advantage and can take advantage of whatever they can, loopholes or otherwise, to get their dough. I’ve already expressed my discontent about my rich boss and how he treats everyone below him, especially non-white people. Poor to medium classes don’t have the luxury to take advantage or whatever due to fear, lack of money, lack of a good payed lawyer, who knows :)

      • The 200 richest white people in the USA have more money then ALL of the 40 million black folks and thats counting people like oprah and michael jackson!

        • bobbo, we think with words, and flower with ideas says:

          Why wish for a clever name when you could wish for money? You don’t make any sense at all.

    • Taxed Enough Already Dude says:

      What a dork, corporations don’t pay taxes, their customers or their employees do.

      It all gets passed on.

      But make it too high, and they take their jobs with them out of country…

      Liberals are the most stupid people I know.

  8. Taxed Enough Already Dude says:

    He’s just being a consistent liberal, they only help the needy when they can do so with other people’s money.

    Perhaps now he’ll believe in small government rather than waste fraud and corruption done under the banner of liberalism.

    Now that Portman loves gays, even Dallas can come aboard for the big win.

  9. bobbo, we think with words, and flower with ideas says:

    Let’s take a poll? On just a quick read, who here thinks Tightly Corrupt is as dumb as he posts, or is highly intelligent but just a shill?

    I’ll vote and say that TC looks like No 2, if you know what I mean. Makes me flush just thinking about what he posted.

    Facts huh? Not just name calling among the insiders?

    Everyone knows the Pukes “say” a whole bunch of crap but only DO one thing: tax cuts for the rich. Everyone knows that when you bar graph it out the debt goes up more under Pukes than under Dumbo’s===>MEANING, they talk a line of crap but only DO one thing: tax cuts for the rich. its why there is a schism in the Puke Party right now because unlike the Religious Fundies, the TeaPublicans won’t accept being lied to by their Elephantine Brethren. That will make you smile if you just relax and think about it for awhile.

    Stupid or Stooge? Ha, ha. A measure of respect actually to call Tightly Corrupt a stooge. And then you relax and think about it for awhile and you smile and you realize that all stooges have a bit of stupidity they can’t quite cover up.

    Same as it always was.

    Why don’t you Millionaires buy yourselves a Clue? ===>BWHAHAHAHA! Never too late to get an education. Know what I mean?

  10. bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

    dave m brewer says:
    3/16/2013 at 10:35 pm

    Tell me (I’m rich) /// You’re rich. I only hope not RICH.

    why I need to pay more taxes than my neighbor who is poor. /// Because you personally benefit from living in a more equal society.

    I don’t use the government for anything but my neighbor does. /// Fatuously WRONG. You use the government to keep your neighbor from scaling your walls.

    He get food stamps…/// Gee, that is one poor MF’r. What the heck kind of neighborhood do you live in???? MOVE!!!!

    free day care… /// Who else is going to breed the soldiers you need to keep your estate free from foreign invasion?

    reduced heating and electric so on and so on. /// Yes, the alternative being?……………

    The way I see it my neighbor needs to pay more taxes than I! /// Yes, thats just the way you see it, being deaf, blind, stupid, self centered, short sighted, miserly of heart and so forth. But coming off the enjoyable word play==all you have failed to come to terms with is………………………………………..
    …………………………………….
    ……………………………………………….

    Do you have a clue as to what you need to deal with>?????

    ……………………………………………………..
    ……………………………………………………………….

    Yes…………………………………………….

    That Old Buggaboo …………………………………………………..

    …………………………………………………………………

    You still have time. What do you think it is that prevents Poor People from Paying their fair share of taxes? ………………….

    ………………………………………………………………………

    …………………………………………………………………………..

    Ok. I’m on the verge of leaving you hanging. “But”……..

    Its REALITY. Society needs a certain level of funding in order to function rationally and at its peak. It is a Bell Shaped Curve. Too Little Tax (as Now) and society suffers. Same with too Much Tax. The debate should fairly tax place in the middle, not at the extremes. Extra Points for whomever can name who is extreme in this discussion.

    When my neighbor goes to Wal-Mart he pays the same in tax as I do. That’s the way it should be!!!!!!! /// You mean zero tax for food? I agree. Does Walmart sell Heathcare Services?????? and so forth.

    Mine nom de flame took YEARS to carefully hone to the perfection it reveals: the pragmatic, existential, evangelical, anti-theist. Picks up most of the loose threads that tend to fuzz things up.

    I could go on, but I’ve just noticed that drinking wine coolers makes me thirsty.

    • dave m brewer says:

      Because you personally benefit from living in a more equal society.<<<<<

      So giving my neighbor my money will make him smarter?

      You need to get your brown shirt back on and continue practicing thrusting you right arm upwards.

      They have done studies in universities… giving average test scores to students predicated on what the test scores given in a given class. Didn't take long and the whole class failed. Finally the smarter students gave up making good grades, why should they bust butts when the stupid ones were free loading off of the hard work.

      Once again… thrust hard and upwards. How do you say it… HEIL… something like that. Oh, don't forget the to put those blue contacts in and bleach you hair. If you need to bleach your skin. I'm sure there is a 'how to' on YouTube starting Michael Jackson.

      • dave m brewer says:

        Oh I forgot…

        Because you personally benefit from living in a more equal society.<<<

        So this means I can bang his wife and daughter too. I have none… he should give (share) his to me. And if the toothless granny there she can come too.

  11. orchidcup says:

    When I was a millionaire I handed everything over to a CPA who was familiar with all the tax loopholes and investment strategies that minimized my tax liability.

    Of course, I live in a state that does not have a state income tax.

    Bill Mahr should consider hiring a financial strategist and maybe investing in things like tax-free municipal bonds.

    Anybody who believes the hype that millionaires don’t have advantages and loopholes in our tax code is simply not paying attention.

    • NUTS! says:

      EVERYONE has the same income tax loop hole advantages. The problem is that NOT everyone has the same (amount of) MONEY coming in to really make it all work!

      So what’s the solution? As you might have guessed, the liberals answer is to take away everyone’s money so that we’re all fair.

      • orchidcup says:

        Bill should ask Mitt Romney how to shelter his income from tax liability.

        As the Washington Post’s Greg Sargent reported, Romney’s advisers averaged his tax rates over 20 years to get a number for his tax burden over that period. But it would have been more accurate to take Romney’s total tax paid over that period and divide it by his total earnings to get a new percentage. Sargent spoke to Roberton Williams, a senior fellow at the Tax Policy Center, about this problem:

        “Let’s say you have 10 years in which you paid 13 percent in taxes, and 10 years in which you paid 27 percent,” Williams told me. “If you average those rates, you’ll get an overall rate of 20 percent. But if the 13 percent years were high income years, and the 27 percent years were low income years, then his total taxes paid as a share of total income over the 20 years would be less, perhaps significantly less, than 20 percent.”

  12. TThor says:

    The wake-up call comes to the liberals. It starts to eat on them too. Ooops… not planned.

  13. bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

    dave m overly imbibing from the local brewery says:
    3/17/2013 at 2:21 am

    Because you personally benefit from living in a more equal society.<<<<>>>on our own we are dirt poor bartering apes for the bare necessities. Its only when we build/invest in a society that a merchant, military, scientific class can arise. Seems religion does quite well on bare subsistence. Not megachurches, but everyone still believing with part time Shamans.

    Just look. Be wise. Enjoy what you have as others are allowed to do as well RATHER THAN constantly fearful and jealous that others might share.

    Easy Peasy.

    • NUTS! says:

      Share WHAT?! Responsibility or duty? Careful how you answer that. Don’t forget your mantra about being FAIR!

      • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

        Nuts—review all my nom de plumes. “Fair” is never used.

        Look at my nom de flame above. That more than any other is my mantra.

        My mantra is intelligent SELF INTEREST. aka==what works and what doesn’t.

        Life in fact (fact???–sic) is mostly unfair, however anyone might want to define it. The job of gubment is not to make life fair except as an almost unavoidable consequence of making life work.

        I hope you can see the difference……. hard to see anything with your head up your ass as it is. Kinda an unfair handicap you give yourself there.

        Ha, ha.

  14. bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist and Jr Nobel Prize Winner in Economics fan boi says:

    By pure Serendipity by Equal and Opposite Realities, TEADud says:
    3/16/2013 at 5:18 pm

    What a dork, corporations don’t pay taxes, their customers or their employees do.

    It all gets passed on. //// Yes–a tax being paid targeted to the people who actually use that service===the best way a tax can be structured. Comes out more like a “fee” but that is a slight tangent.

    But make it too high, and they take their jobs with them out of country… //// …. and tax policy if not corrupted by the RICH could make that decision a no brainer not to do but currently tax policy encourages off shoring. Course, you’d have to have a bunch of PRAGMATIC non self dealing practitioners enforcing such a regime–aka, it will never happen. But thems the nuts.

    Liberals are the most stupid people I know. /// Tsk, tsk. But I feel your pain.

    Ha, ha. Stoopid Hoomans. Doing it to themselves under the guise of freedom. Now thats really stupid.

    Yea, verily.

  15. Uncle Patso says:

    “… When every person and corporation pays the same percentage of every earned dollar with no exceptions or loopholes – than it is fair system in which everyone has proportionally same responsibility for running and funding Government…”

    That argument would work fine if the cost of food, housing, energy, health care, etc. were also pro-rated according to income “with no exceptions.” But wouldn’t that be “socialism”?

    That said, it’s obvious that taxation can go too far and that California is plainly dysfunctional.

    While I am not an economist, it seems to me that the total cost of government in a society should be somewhere around 18-25% of the economy, with occasional (preferably rare) peaks to pay for wars or economic stimulation in recessions or depressions and “good times” in between.

    The proportional burden carried by different groups within a society is something that will always be fought over with the intensity of sibling rivalry and subject to the chaotic pendulum of public opinion. Right now in the U.S., things are still swinging rightward, but appear to be slowing, with more people trying to push leftward all the time. Though the “haves” as a class are still pushing rightward with all their might (and their might is not inconsiderable).

    My worry is that this dispute is drawing attention away from the day-to-day business of managing the country. While every legislature is arguing over tax rates and gerrymandering, the bridges are deteriorating, the value of the money is continuing to fall (though still slowly, thank goodness), schools are under increasing stress, economic mobility is in bad shape — all the things that (used to) make the U.S. a First World country are going wanting for attention, while the “managers” argue over points of dogma.

    • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist and Jr Nobel Prize Winner in Economics fan boi says:

      Say Unc thats a good stab at trying to find the middle path. My hunch is that the tax range is a bit higher than you suggest but its a good start. I think looking at our historical rates gives about the same range with the modem above the average?

      “If” the higher percent of tax revenues could be spent on that which is truly an “investment” rather than a fraudulent label to cover fraud/pork/payoffs and what not then I think a higher range of taxation would be useful and justified. Is it not true that we “get what we pay for?” I want a LOT, so I’m willing to pay a lot.

      Tax policy should not be cornfused with what in idle fantasies we would wish for ourselves. No…. its a sober analysis.

      Yea, verily.

  16. deowll says:

    This guy gave BO a million and complains about high taxes? That is wild. Obama would like to double or triple his taxes.

    • noname says:

      You’re just not hyperbolic enough to be understandable!

      A real republican would be much more hyper-hyperbolic!

      You sir are just not committed to your kind. You must embrace and be one with the republican deleterious forces of evil! You must be most ruthless and vile of ways to be a true republican!

      Commit yourself and be one with Dick Cheney, a dark-side mastermind!

    • Egon Ruuda says:

      Hehehe hope you know that if you pay 60×3 = 180% and even at 2x it is still 120% only the math illiterate could pay those taxes.. Or perhaps the more arrogant NFL players as they say they give 110 to 200% of their all in their games. Even though it is impossible.

  17. Hmeyers says:

    The US government spends more $$$ than even the rich people have.

    Who has $1 trillion sitting around to cover this year’s deficit?

    The government should print off $1-$2 trillion a year and we should just accept that slow gradual inflation is going to be the new normal.

    It is interesting that Texas is able to make bold choices to keep their state budget balanced while having no state income tax, while California and Illinois sink into the mud.

    But the reality is the politicians in California don’t get along well enough to make hard choices like Texas.

    California might end up being like the city of Detroit.

    • LibertyLover says:

      Texas also has something not too many other states have:

      Oil and Natural Gas.

      It’s easy to balance when you’ve got a cash cow.

      And don’t believe the “No Income Tax” myth. Businesses pay them but they are called “Franchise Taxes” instead. It’s against the Texas Constitution to institute income taxes so they renamed it. And they are based on a company’s GROSS income. Perry lied through his teeth during the debates (Gov and Pres) when he said he didn’t raise taxes in TX.

      • orchidcup says:

        Bingo.

      • MikeN says:

        California has those things too. It is one of the largest oil producers, and has it’s own shale deposits ready to be exploited if the state leaders would allow it.

  18. WmDE says:

    A Real Fair Tax

    2013 spending $3.803 trillion
    Percentage of revenue from income tax 42%
    Revenue from income tax $1.60 Trillion
    Population over seventeen 232 million
    Tax burden for each adult $6,896

    Everybody send in a check for $6,896.

  19. MikeN says:

    I’m sure Maher will relocate out of California to solve the problem. It’s not like he can’t make his set in Nevada.

  20. MikeN says:

    Bill Maher is occasionally willing to look at reality rather than spout liberal talking points. See his talking about education reform, where he points out how teachers never get fired. Michael Eric Dyson had to bob and weave to get away from that question.
    So perhaps Maher has realized the stupidity of running a government of a state with tens of millions of people based on the taxes of a few hundred thousand.

  21. Rick says:

    The problem is the rich CONTROL PUBLIC POLICY.

    Sure they pay taxes but they run our government, which is WHY it overspends in the first place.

  22. Hunter says:

    I thought it was a pretty good show this week. While I am a little surprised by Maher’s statement, I fully support his right to say it. We seem to forget that most people have both conservative and liberal ideals. I know I don’t completely agree with one party or the other. It would have been nice to watch the show live, but I had to work late at DISH on Friday night. Thankfully I found it online in the HBO section of DISHAnywhere.com. I love it because I can access my favorite shows and movies from any computer that’s handy; I can even get caught up when I am stuck at work!

  23. Brian B. says:

    Bill Maher’s problem is he earns his money as wages, like the rest of us commoners. He needs to find some way to hide all of his income via interest and capital gains, and thus he too can avoid paying taxes like the ultra wealthy. The system is rigged against anyway trying to earn their way to wealth.

  24. Pieman says:

    The problem with liberal idiots leaving California because of high taxes is, these assholes caused the high taxes and will go to other states and screw them up as well.