On April 17, the bill to expand background checks on gun buyers failed in the Senate, and the fatalistic shrugs in Washington were so numerous they were nearly audible. The legislation had been a modest bipartisan compromise, supported by 90 percent of the public and lobbied for hard by the president. A group backed by Michael Bloomberg had spent $12 million on ads pressuring senators to vote “yes.” When the bill fell short—by just five votes—it seemed to confirm a Beltway article of faith: There’s no point messing with the National Rifle Association (NRA). And that, many assumed, was the last we’d be hearing about gun reform.

But then something unexpected happened. Some of the senators who’d voted “no” faced furious voters back home. [...] One of the country’s best-known gun-rights advocates, Robert Levy, said the NRA’s “stonewalling of the background-check proposal was a mistake, both politically and substantively.”



  1. Captain Obvious says:

    The US has 4.5 million untreated severely mentally ill people with easy access to guns. You don’t need a spreadsheet to do the math.

    • Anonymous Coward says:

      I’m much more worried about the 2 million gang bangers wandering around the country. They’ve chosen to be malevolent, violent parasites as a life style.

      And that 4.5 million number sounds grossly inflated. It’s the type of number you get when you add all the people who are thought to be depressed rather than potentially violent to others.

      • Captain Obvious says:

        The number is rather obvious when you think. If you’re clinically mentally, then you don’t qualify for health insurance. The public treatment of these types of illness’ has been cut for years.

        There was a steady decline in spending from the 80′s on to 2002 when it flattened out. The continued drop was offset by increases in spending through the VA. Nowadays Vets are also losing this support with more cutbacks.

        Mood disorders (various types of depressions) affect over 20 million Americans. Schizophrenia, between 2-3 million Americans. Anxiety disorders affect 40 million Americans. PTSD affects 7 million Americans. 4.5 million untreated people is a low ball estimate.

      • Shaunvis says:

        Even if the 4 t million mental defective number was accurate, we have what, 2-3 incidents per year of legally obtained and misused weapons? Statistically irrelevant.

        • Captain Obvious says:

          1. It says a lot about you that you use the phrase “mental defective”.
          2. You might be the only person who thinks that 8000 homocides per year is legal activity.

          Maybe you’re mentally defective?

          • Shaunvis says:

            The article makes the case that there are 4.5 million crazy people that can LEGALLY buy guns now so we need to pass the expanded background check bill. It is typical fear mongering “OMG! they’re handing out guns to crazy people!”

            The 8000 homocides are mostly gang/drug related and with illegally obtained weapons. No background checks, registration, etc. will stop those.

            As I said, you can probably count on one hand the actual “crazy people” that buy a gun LEGALLY and use it in a rampage each year.

          • bobbo, neutering gun nuts with their own lack of ammunition says:

            …… and there we have it: when you DON’T KNOW and more relevantly DON’T CARE what the facts are….. feel free to say whatever BS you want.

            You do reveal some sensitivity to the notion that “too many” deaths of the innocent white people like yourself might be a bad thing?

            1-2, or a handful per year is acceptable to you for your right to bear arms.

            Have you thought about what a maximum number of innocent deaths per year might be in order to start looking at ways to reduce that number???

            Have you and now you find you have to lie about it to maintain your comfort level or have you NEVER seen those numbers yet you like to think you have enough facts to maintain your opinion?????

            IOW===>just what kind of stupid are you?

            Silly Gun Nuts===making up BS and eating it as if it were chocolate ice cream. They love it so.

          • Captain Obvious says:

            The 8000 homicides are mostly gang/drug related…

            Bullshit.

          • Shaunvis says:

            Yea, the FBI is lying in their crime statistics…

    • S.A. says:

      The US has 4.5 million untreated severely mentally ill people with easy access to guns. You don’t need a spreadsheet to do the math.

      That’s right! YOU NEED TO HELP THEM OR LOCK THEM UP!

      YOU DON’T NEED TO PERVERT THE CONSTITUTION TO DO THIS EITHER!!!

      But then I suppose you think that the knee jerk reaction over 9-11 which instituted the Department of Homeland Security was a real good idea too.

    • MikeN says:

      Looks like this article caused Obama and Bloomberg to be targets for some ricin letters. Is it possible that this post was the catalyst? Should Uncle Dave be audited?

  2. The Watcher says:

    1. The “90%” number is bogus….

    2. Criminals and the insane will obtain whatever weapons they need.

    3. The “Universal Background Check” is just a first step towards Registration, something that intelligent people should find to be anathema.

    4. Law Abiding Citizens don’t necessarily have easy access to guns, other than those obtained from friends or members of club groups of some kind. Some are bought at gun shows, of course.

    5. Criminals almost never try to use legitimate sources. Those who don’t make it past the “Brady Check” – numbering in five figures – are almost never prosecuted, but they are rejected. It’s much safer (and more likely) that they’ll get them by theft, or “back alley” deals with other criminals.

    6. The UBC is an attempt to shut down all private transfer of firearms. Then, as the good folks at BATFE have been trying for years, legal _sources_ for buying firearms will slowly be choked off. Like DC where you can now own a firearm, but you can’t buy one there…. (This may have improved by now.)

    In short, balderdash. Punish the criminals, not the law abiding….

    When you dial 911, the Police will be there in plenty of time to draw the chalk line around your body. Better response time? You’re on your own….

    Yes, I’m an NRA Lifer….

    • S.A. says:

      …And if you DON’T think AMERICAN’S can MANUFACTURE GUN PARTS that a monkey can assemble into a WORKING WEAPON or create a BLACK MARKET for something that mostly CRIMINALS will use then you’re DELUSIONAL!

      Just look what a few nut cases did with a few bombs! Last time I looked, they didn’t buy their bombs at the local bomb store!!! Even the explosives they used weren’t exactly sold as explosives either.

      Imposing restrictions on a fundamental right is NOT the answer. Because if you agree that we should now edit the BILL OF RIGHTS (which you would do if you impose any sort of gun restrictions) then you need to ex-patriot yourself right the hell out of the USA!

      Like any SANE person, I do NOT want to see anyone get SHOT! But when I look at cars/trucks and things like road rage or even drunk driving, this anti-gun agenda does seem way out of whack with priorities. It’s obviously another NON-THINKING knee jerk REACTION! But I do empathize with the rage against the senseless violence. Perhaps now is a good time to remind you that there’s a WAR going on — SEVERAL of them!!!

      • Jimmy says:

        Funny. You say we’d have to edit the bill of rights to limit access to guns.

        But, the First Amendment has limits. You can’t spread Libel, you can’t yell fire in a theater, you can’t promote hate speech. All of these are reasonable limits on the First Amendment, and no editing necessary.

        When you lean on the “spirit of the Second Amendment” as an argument, you forget the fact that single-shot muzzle loaders were the technology when it was written. What would gang violence be like if every hoodlum in the street had a 5′ long muzzle loader they had to swab and pack before every shot?

        We also eliminated slavery, let women vote, then let blacks vote. Those were all positive “edits” to the Bill of Rights. The founding fathers were atheist adulterers who had no problem taking a payoff here and there. They weren’t perfect.

        • Pocono Charlie says:

          Using your examples, there would be no First Amendment protection for speech on the Internet (or radio, TV) as they were not invented in the 18th Century.

          As for your comparison of slavery, the founding fathers did make compromises to keep their young nation together. The counting of slaves as 3/5 was a way to encourage slave owners that there would be a benefit to freeing them.

          Regardless, the Constitution was amended, according to the defined process, and Slavery was correctly banned. If you want to “edit” the Second Amendment, there is a defined process.

  3. Jim says:

    1. Perhaps, though I’m fairly sure it was above 86% at one point.
    2. Yes… but so can the non-insane, which you folks like to pretend isn’t true.
    3. I see, so you don’t think car registrations are good? What about planes? So I can go buy a crap car and run it into you and your family a few times, drop it by a river and there’s no problem from your end, yes? Registrations are a reasonable solution, since you can then track guns back to where they came from and determine the underground channels to shut off. And if you are a “law abiding” citizen, as you say you are, then you can register as many as you want, so what’s your issue?
    4. perhaps not ten minutes, but if I want a gun I can run down and get one fairly quickly. Perhaps you have more issues than normal people?
    5. Yes, so what? Those that are rejected haven’t committed a crime yet, so they have to work harder to try. Unless you are assuming everyone who gets a gun is a criminal, of course. That’s the whole idea behind deterrence, to make it tougher for someone to do something bad. People will do horrible things if you make it simple for them to do, take a look at the various civil-war, terrorist and dictator actions going on.
    6. COMPLETE bull. We will never be able to get rid of guns, since there will always be an industry to make and sell them and never enough support to remove the second amendment entirely. If we wanted to remove guns for personal use, we simply increase taxes on bullets by 500$ a box. Or make you buy them one at a time, per day.
    It’s sad how hard these folks want their governments and fellow citizens to fail so they can use their precious guns. “Patriot” no longer seems to mean what it used to.

  4. bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

    Fun to read what an NRA Lifer dreams about and fears.

    Imagine now that our government has been “trying” for years to squeeze off the sale of guns?

    Its like the religiously maniacal complaining from pulpits, tv and radio stations, and street corners across the land that there is a war on Religion.

    UNLESS you are currently on your knees in group prayer, and UNLESS you are right now lining up crosshairs on an home invader, some people/too many people feel “they” just aren’t free.

    God, Guns, …… what was that other thing???

    Silly Hoomans.

  5. Dallas says:

    This is God’s will.

    98.2% of US adults reject to join the NRA and don’t want them to dictate assault weapons policy.

    • pedro says:

      If only were in Gods will to fix your stupidity

      • noname says:

        Dallas, bobbo and others have poor psychotic pedro so PWNed!! :) :) :)

        Obviously why psychotic pedro needs such a strong butt love crush on DUhlass!

        So sad, if only anyone could help you! Alas, your diseased brain is too far gone, not even the doctors can help!

        • pedro says:

          I know you won’t leave banging DUhllass for anything in this world

          • noname says:

            Like Flies To Shit, poor horny pedro wants his crush dallas to acknowledge him!

            poor pathetic pedro, it is so refreshing you give everyone an object lesson in self-deprecating humor!

            We so laugh at you because Dallas, bobbo and others have so PWNed you!! :) :) :)

            Obviously why a very psychotic pedro needs such a strong butt love crush on DUhlass!

            So sad, if only anyone could help you! Alas, your diseased brain is too far gone, not even the doctors can help!

          • pedro says:

            pwnd!

          • noname says:

            pedro, finally admitting he is so PWNed!

            Good for you poor pathetic and PWNed pedro!

    • Shaunvis says:

      Lmao, if its “gods will”, why bother with laws at all?

      God looks down “I was going to send a guy on a shooting spree, but they have background checks! Me damn it!”

      • pedro says:

        What happens is you don’t get DUhllass. He thinks he’s funny by being facetious. He doesn’t believe in any God (at least not one that doesn’t vibrate)

        • bobbo, neutering gun nuts with their own lack of ammunition says:

          Only those who don’t believe in god have the balls to call him out for the evil that exists in the world.

          Think evil happens without gods approval? God is just another hypocritical gun nut: evil happens but you know…. there are “higher issues” that make these deaths worthwhile. Trust Me. Its a secret. You can’t understand it but trust me.

          ……. and there they are, lining up just like sheep.

          God, Guns….. what was that other thing?

          • pedro says:

            Dumbo: I know being a hypocrite is the liberul way but don’t be so cheerful about it

          • noname says:

            Dallas, bobbo and others have poor psychotic pedro so PWNed!! :) :) :)

            Obviously why psychotic pedro needs such a strong butt love crush on DUhlass!

            So sad, if only anyone could help you! Alas, your diseased brain is too far gone, not even the doctors can help!

          • pedro says:

            Here’s where I am forced to reply to your brainlessness “I know you are but what am I?”

          • noname says:

            poor pathetic pedro, says “I am forced to reply”; I so PWNed you!! :) :) :)

            Obviously why a very psychotic pedro needs such a strong butt love crush on DUhlass!

            So sad, if only anyone could help you! Alas, your diseased brain is too far gone, not even the doctors can help!

          • pedro says:

            pwnd!

          • noname says:

            pedro, finally admitting he is so PWNed!

            Good for you poor pathetic and PWNed pedro!

      • Dallas says:

        God works in mysterious ways .

        • So What? says:

          So do magicians I don’t worship them either.

        • pedro says:

          So does stuffing your caboose and I ain’t doing that one either.

          • noname says:

            Dallas, bobbo and others have poor psychotic pedro so PWNed!! :) :) :)

            Obviously why psychotic pedro needs such a strong butt love crush on DUhlass!

            So sad, if only anyone could help you! Alas, your diseased brain is too far gone, not even the doctors can help!

          • pedro says:

            Let me see, you are reduced to copy paste the same thing over and over because your empty skull can’t come up with any comeback.

            Thanks for proving how pwned you are.

          • noname says:

            poor pathetic pedro, says “I am forced to reply”; I so PWNed you!! :) :) :)

            Obviously why a very psychotic pedro needs such a strong butt love crush on DUhlass!

            So sad, if only anyone could help you! Alas, your diseased brain is too far gone, not even the doctors can help!

          • pedro says:

            pwnd!

          • noname says:

            pedro, finally admitting he is so PWNed!

            Good for you poor pathetic and PWNed pedro!

  6. msbpodcast says:

    Any solution that begins with “If Only We All …” is utter bullshit.

    That’s why I’d want a system where the government gives us weapons and everybody is armed.

    I bet people would be real polite and think twice before pissing people off.

    • bobbo, neutering gun nuts with their own lack of ammunition says:

      “If only we all…..” = “I bet…..”

      Somalia.

      The Wild West.

      If Gun Nuts were in charge of finding a cure for malaria, they would add more mosquitoes to the swamp.

      Silly Hoomans.

  7. sargasso_c says:

    License all gun and ammo manufacturing. Put license numbers on every bullet. Tie it up in red tape. Tighten it, gradually. One good Washington desk clerk could strangle the life out of the entire arms industry in a year.

    • Dallas says:

      All license applications are to be notorized, then submitted in person at DMV office for accuracy and photo. Fridays only.

  8. orchidcup says:

    We have seen how well background checks have worked with hiring school teachers and bus drivers.

    • bobbo, neutering gun nuts with their own lack of ammunition says:

      Orchi—please tell me your point is other than the current background check is not catching ALL the predators, so let’s do away with it entirely.

      You aren’t THAT stupid are you?

  9. MikeN says:

    The NRA should be protesting the trial of George Zimmerman.
    MSNBC hates them already.

  10. RS says:

    Criminals don’t obtain their guns legally.
    They don’t buy them from dealers. They don’t buy them at gun shows. They don’t buy them on the internet. They don’t buy them at yard sales.

    They mainly buy stolen guns from other criminals.

    What is it about universal background checks that you liberals feel will affect this?

    • bobbo, in Repose says:

      Link?…. or this is just more made up BS.

    • Jimmy says:

      Well, for one, if Nancy Lanza filled out a form saying she had a clinically depressed (actually diagnosed, BTW) child in her household, maybe she wouldn’t have gotten her hands on several handguns and a so-called “assault weapon”.
      If that ONE background check worked, 26 people in CT would still be alive.
      Adam Lanza intended to go out on a killing spree, but if he had a bunch of knives or a 6-shooter, it would have been far less fatal.

      Just because you can’t catch EVERYBODY doesn’t mean you can’t catch ANYBODY.