Here’s the video – read the story here.

compare what I have to say to what this guy has to say about immoral government spying.


  1. thatsmychin says:

    Saw a story on the front page of Reddit…….a Marc Perkel was ejected from the Pelosi event for heckling. I thought….wait a minute….I’ve heard of that liberal Kool-Aid dispenser! This. Story. Does. Not. Compute.

  2. msbpodcast says:

    Of course the 1%er dumb-o-crap political animals are against this and pushing back. They’re scared shitless…

    The NSA, CIA, FBI and even some state and municipal cop agencies and subcontractors are flying drones in domestic air spaces. (I’m sticking to trains. I’d hate to have an aerial collision with some inattentive desk jockey’s flying invasion of privacy. [Might be the reason for adopting high-speed trains. The sky’s about to get too crowded…])

    You can’t call, skype or email anyone because at some point, in the past or in the future, they might be suspect, which would draw you in.

    Talk about having a chilling effect on any and all forms communication. (Except for numbers stations.)

    The 1%er repubes would be up in arms but they believe that they’re immune from this. (They’re so out of touch, which is exactly what the NSA is tracking. 🙂 )

    Look for show trials of some high-ranking critterz to begin before O’Mama’s term is over using evidence provided by the NSA.

    But its the ultimate democratic institution, well except for the secret laws, secret police, secret courts, secret trials, secret jails and the secret burial grounds.

    It only means the 1%ers are being tattled on by the same spying machines as the 99%ers.

    Nobody is above the law (those we know of anyway,) because nobody is below the radar.

  3. Taxed Enough Already Dude says:

    I applaud Marc’s stand. The threat to our liberty can’t be overestimated. The Associated Press reported their sources have dried up…and its unknown how much congressional support for spying is the result of blackmail by the NSA.

    We are one crisis away from a dictatorship.

    Given the apathy and stupidity of many Americans—who applaud dissolving congress and giving Obama free reign—as long as their sexual choices and drug abuse are left alone, the land of the distracted and addicted could easily be enslaved.

    To be sure, it will be a soft tyranny, till poverty fuels violent reaction.

    • Lummox says:

      Poverty in America will never happen to the extent of causing another American Revolution such as what happened back around 1776. The lesson learned for the power mongers then was well learned — keep the masses just barely comfortable and they won’t even protest. Places like France (1789) made sure of it.

      So fast forward to today where we now have at least a half dozen government agencies riding on the backs of not only the masses themselves but the backs of anyone stupid enough to try to produce anything, dedicated to keeping the masses comfortable – including another huge entity (Hollywood) devoted to keeping the masses distracted – any revolution that happens will only occur when the power goes out or when the masses begin to starve. But even that might not happen as long as the illusion of wealth is kept up.

      So if you think a majority of American’s will actually rise against powerful interests or even protest obvious perversions of law, think again! American’s are just too comfortable – some might even say lazy!

      • Taxed Enough Already Dude says:

        Events confirm your statements, much to my dismay.

  4. Dallas says:

    That’s what I love about Democrats. They can disagree amongst themselves on issues, push back on democratic leaders and still get together on the issues they agree with.

    Compare to Teapubicans.

    Exhibit A: Chris Christie

    • Taxed Enough Already Dude says:

      Its very probable Chris Christie will run in 2016, as a Democrat…perhaps as Hillary’s VP?

      That is the likely explanation for his making sure a Democrat takes the open Senate seat.

      And your irrational fear of Teapublicans, when its Democrats spying on you…is consistent with the kool aid:

      • Dallas says:

        You might have a point there re , Christie. I applaud him for rejecting the dark side on many issues and admire his in your face attitude on important and often controversial issues.

        We need more leaders like Christie on that attribute, instead of the Tparty ass-licking collection of loons you subscribe to.

        Christie would have to lose 600 lbs if he wants to get the younger vote but a Hillary Clinton will carry him through. I’m thinking fat-ass white guys may also vote for the C&C ticket.

        Do you think you’ll make it till then?

        • Taxed Enough Already Dude says:

          Can our liberties make it till then is the real question.

          The ruling elite want a terror attack, to justify unfettered ability to gather information against anyone they oppose.

          Hence mosques aren’t survailed….hence drones kill all compromised terrorists lest they reveal actionable intelligence…hence Moslem Brotherhood/Jihadists are being strengthened…

          its all about doing away with our constitutional Republic and replacing it with something pliable…

          The progressive elite believe they are building a better world, one where they inform us how to live…for our own good, and that of the planet.

          They are only building the gas chambers that eventually will kill many of them, also…after us.

          • Greg Allen says:

            Wow, what a mushy mix of rants and talking points.

            Who are the “progressive elite”?

            People who believe America can progress?

          • So What? says:

            Remember Greg progressive doesn’t mean what alfie thinks it does.

          • Taxed Enough Already Dude says:

            A Progressive believes progress is Borg like assimilation of the individual, into the collective…is progress.

            Is evolved.

            Hence Obama’s speech against “Social Darwinism” meaning against smaller government:


            Progressives advocate a centralized, top down, economic and ethical system where the right of individual choice is miminalized.

            The Tribal or group leader, ruling by government agents who incentive or enforce specific behaviors, considers himself morally superior their subjects:

            To a Progressive, sin is not adhering to “state sanctioned” morality, whether it be gay rights or global warming theory.

            Political correctness is paramount.

            “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. ” — C. S. Lewis

          • Taxed Enough Already Dude says:

            While CS Lewis spoke this against religious tyranny, progressives substitute their own selves for God….making it relevant to them also.

            Perhaps even more so.

          • So What? says:

            See his above posts for further proof of his misuse of the term.

      • Sea Lawyer says:

        Chris Christie is just living off the small amount of fame he received for complaining, hat in hand, that Washington wasn’t going to bail his state out after the hurricane. If states actually did their own disaster planning, instead of relying on Washinton to be their emergency piggy bank, then we wouldn’t have to be forced to listen to these blowhards.

        But who am I kidding, we are talking about corrupt state governments that can’t even manage to fund their overly generous public worker pension systems; much less plan for the probability that a coastal state might experience a hurricane from time to time.

    • Tim says:

      A D8R caterpillar would strain to push back against that fat-ass.

  5. McCullough says:

    You should have chucked a shoe at the old bag.

    Nice work.

  6. Winston Smith says:

    Holy crap, Marc Perkel is a Kossack? What the heck are you doing hanging out here with all these Libertarian whackos? 😉

    I read and comment at Daily Kos almost daily. It is striking that about half the Kossacks are screaming “WTF Obama” (since his first month in office). The other half are extreme Dem party loyalists who think their Lord and Savior Obama can do no wrong. Makes for some good foo fights.

    PS: I’m in the WTF Obama camp.

    • Taxed Enough Already Dude says:

      Obama has been consistent with his stated goals, when these are contextualized.

      Its only WTF if you filled in the Green Screen with your own scenes.

      The dream of his father was America punished for its crimes, a weakened ghost of it existing only to repay its alleged victims…

      Obama has been accomplishing fundamental change from Day One, crippling America with debt and its people with dependency from Day One.

      He’s been consistent with the dream of his commie father.

      Its too bad you didn’t take him at his word.

  7. The Pirate says:

    Marc Perkel – Ordinary American doing the right thing. I would have expected nothing less. Kudos.

    Term limits might be an appropriate response to those 10, 20, 30 year congress folks who have shredded the constitution the past 10, 20, 30 years.

    • So What? says:

      Contrary to popular belief it is just as easy to shred the constitution in one or two terms as it is in five or six. See any state with term limits to see just how much more dysfunctional a government can become.

      • Lummox says:

        Yes! You can shred faster it when you have a MAJORITY!

        • So What? says:

          See the term limited Missouri republican controlled house and senate for example number one.

  8. Greg Allen says:

    I’m a fan of Obama but I’m against this NSA data collection on us all. The “security industial complex” has a life of its own, beyond Bush, Obama and whoever is president next.

    What’s going on, today, is bad enough.

    But, of course, this is just the beginning, unless we check it now.

    Storage is only going to get more massive. Comptuers are only going to get more powerful. All exponentially.

    If we don’t put some parameters on it, now, this is going to get more and more intrusive.

    • dusanmal says:

      “I’m a fan of Obama but I’m against this NSA data collection on us all” – typical Progressive schizophrenia, which describes M.Perkel action too. Equivalent of “oh, do I love Earth’s oceans and seas,… but I hate getting wet…”.
      Obama is the most extreme example of Progressive BigGovernment agenda in US history. With it comes Obamacare, redistribution, regulatory overdrive, … massive spying on general public. Inevitable. Un-separable. That is the part of big, powerful, empowered Government which can order and control citizenry. You can’t (sanely) demand Big, powerful, empowered Government and than make exceptions for your particular list of freedoms from it. You CAN start from list of particular freedoms and limit Government in size and power from touching them.
      You like Obama, Bush or any other Progressive – bend over to their expected and logical use of NSA.

      • Greg Allen says:

        The “liberals are for big government” is faith-based conservative poltical rhetoric.

        In the real world, YOUR GUYS, Reagan and Bush, massively expanded the government.

        YOUR GUYS just added 30 billion to the immigration bill it to massively increase government presence along the border.

        Talk about political schizophrenia!

    • Lummox says:

      You may want to watch the following video (fast forward to about 4:30 if you can’t stand the build up):

      That was nearly THREE YEARS ago. And yet, it’s more true now then ever. But hey! That’s just what two kooky Libertarian/Constitutionalists have to say (since I agree with him 100%).

      • Greg Allen says:

        I clicked on the link and was going to watch it — but the title was too stupid.

        My first clue should have been your conflating Liberatarians with Constitutionalists. The two are not even close.

      • McCullough says:

        It’s worth a watch, the points are all valid.

  9. Mextli says:

    Looks like you made Fox News too Marc.

  10. deowll says:

    There many ways to view the world. I’m going to look at two.

    1. I’m the kind of person that divides things into right/wrong and good/bad with anything that doesn’t work getting kicked into the bad category fairly quickly. I tend to be very pragmatic though I’m certainly not claiming that everything that works is good. I suppose a lot of people would not consider me to be a good team player because I don’t care what side you claim to be own if I see you doing what I judge to be evil. Some of the people that post here may also fall into this group and have a moral compass that points in other directions than mine does.

    2. Most people seem to be joiners with more or less blind group loyalty. They’re the same people that soundly condemned Bush for doing things they now say is justified. The only thing that changed was who was president. Some would call them hypocrites but that isn’t really true because they don’t care what the facts are. They will support their party in a war against child abuse and support the killing of late term aborted babies born alive and never even notice a conflict because what happens to the kids doesn’t matter to them. They simply want their party to win and be in power. Such people aren’t hypocrites in my view because they don’t actually have a moral compass. They have group or individual loyalty and simply support or oppose various ethical and moral principles that happen to be useful in advancing the groups claims to power.

    • Greg Allen says:

      >>2. Most people seem to be joiners with more or less blind group loyalty. They’re the same people that soundly condemned Bush for doing things they now say is justified.

      When Bush was doing (illegal!) warrantless wiretapping, I don’t remember any internal debate among conservatives or the GOP. They were unqestioningly, four-square behind Bush.

      You can’t say that about us liberals! Some of the loudest voices against Obama and the NSA comes from the left. Including, me.

      • Taxed Enough Already Dude says:

        Yea, in the same way Bill Ayers said Obama should be tried for war crimes…

        He says that, only after communicating his fervent hope Obama make love to him.

        • Taxed Enough Already Dude says:

          HuffPo edited out the slobbering praise of Obama…Google an unedited version and Ayer’s secret desire Obama ride him dirty…(Rev. Wright), is clearly manifest.

      • The Mick says:

        “When Bush was doing (illegal!) warrantless wiretapping, I don’t remember any internal debate among conservatives or the GOP. They were unqestioningly, four-square behind Bush. ”

        You remember it your way, what I remember is the attacks on people who were speaking out, whether conservative, liberal or independent…. shouted down with those same loud voices as loonbats and conspiracy theorists.

        You were one of them.

      • deowll says:

        I shredded shrubs butt. I my view he wasn’t and isn’t a conservative. He was neither reasonable nor prudent when it came to spending. He supported actions that in my view violated both the word and intent of the constitution and most of the most despicable things he did were soundly condemned by Obama and other progressives and then continued under this administration. The fact that you are even trying to use the arguments you are using to justify the actions taken put you clearly in group 2. Otherwise if it is wrong you just condemn it without any regard for who does it.

  11. Taxed Enough Already Dude says:

    Now progressives are breathing threats against Russia and China because they dared disobey the Statist in Chief Obama

    U.S. Senator Charles Schumer charged that Russian President Vladimir Putin likely knew and approved of Snowden’s flight to Russia and predicted “serious consequences” for a U.S.-Russian relationship already strained over Syria and human rights.

    “Putin always seems almost eager to stick a finger in the eye of the United States – whether it is Syria, Iran and now of course with Snowden,” Schumer, a New York Democrat, told CNN’s “State of the Union” program. He also saw “the hand of Beijing” in Hong Kong’s decision to let Snowden leave the Chinese territory despite the U.S. extradition request

    Schummer is guilty of causing runs on the banking system and conspiring against our liberties. Putin rightly defends Syrians against arming Al Qaeda terrorists…decrying what they are doing to Christians in the country and other religious minorities….

    Snowden is a hero, and evidently, so is PUTIN.

    How the worm has turned, the land of the cowering and watched (the USA), is being put in its place by Russia….Who could have predicted that?

  12. kiwini says:

    “How the worm has turned, the land of the cowering and watched (the USA), is being put in its place by Russia….Who could have predicted that?”

    Obama. His choice, his goal in office, and it’ll be his downfall.

    • Dallas says:

      Shame on you for praising a communist , totalitarian country of aiding a wanted fugitive with American national security secrets.

      You must be a Teapub to reach those low depths

      • Taxed Enough Already Dude says:

        Russia is capitalist, more so than the US; its press is free.

        Unlike the two headed lamb of Revelation, which speaks as a Dragon (Britain & USA), Putin is defending religious minorities including Christians, from Al Qaeda

        The Alawhites of Syria are defending themselves against genocide by Al Qaeda, Russia rightly condemns the USA for backing Terrorists…in Egypt and Syria…

        Obama subverted the Egyptian Spring, supported the Moslem Brotherhood against any hope of 21st century thinking…secular or religious.

        Obama is the true enemy of the US Constitution and religious freedom, both here and abroad.

        His place in Gehenna will be particularly hot.

        • deowll says:

          There is still more freedom in the US than Russia but the difference is shrinking.

          • Taxed Enough Already Dude says:

            Perhaps…but Stossel’s rerun last night was about the laws on the books that literally outlaw just about everything we do.

            When these are considered, your estimation might be very wrong.

            Government is out of control, and that is the fault of both parties and the public that keeps re-electing them.

        • Taxed Enough Already Dude says:

          Particularly galling was the couple that lost their property to the EPA even after a jury ordered the EPA cease and desist….

  13. anonymous covard says:

    Congratulations, you made the front page of

  14. NewFormatSux says:

    Democrats in Congress knew about the programs Snowden revealed. Why are they only complaining now? Or did none of these complainers belong to the group that was in the loop?

  15. NewFormatSux says:

    Meanwhile Facebook is spying on you. They collect shadow profiles of all members that have info you did not provide to them. It is unclear from the article whether they are collecting the data from other users’ address books, and matching them to you, or are doing data collection from other sources.

    I suspect it is the latter, since they are also doing profiles of people who are not members. I am receiving many Join Facebook requests involving either e-mails sent or being in the address book of others. Note the other person is not named in the e-mail, but rather corecipients of the same email.

  16. Taxed Enough Already Dude says:

    Obama/Holder wanted to give Terrorists the full protections of the US Constitution.

    If they extended these protections to US Citizen Snowden, then I’d argue he come back to argue his case before US Justices.

    Fact is, Snowden did no harm to the US, and actually benefited it much, by revealing the war against our freedoms by the Obama Administration.

    Snowden is a hero, and so is Putin for defending him against the statist tyrants Obama and Holder…who should be tried for treason against our freedoms.

  17. Gwad his own self says:

    Bravo Zulu, Perky.

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