Read about it HERE.

Catch-22: Allowing everyone to have loaded guns means they could have stopped the killing earlier, yet not checking for and allowing guns in caused the problem.



  1. Mick says:

    Weapons should be issued when training. Not to be carried around whenever, except for MP’s Plain and simple “Where was the background check? was it done? Many flaws in the system that need to be worked out.

  2. UncDon says:

    Clinton signed a law which said that, unbelievably, no weapons were to be allowed on a military base in a useable condition.

    The US must be the only country where our soldiers are denied the right to have weapons handy where they are based.

    • Rick says:

      When you are being issued ammunition before hopping aboard the plane during deployment at a military base, you are not allowed to put a loaded magazine in your weapon.

      The problem wasn’t Clinton, it was Dubya who privatized base security. I was astonished back in 2001 when I was entering an AFB and there was a civilian guy checking ID’s, he didn’t even carry a weapon.

      The US Navy wisely moved back to MP’s after this mass shooting.

  3. MikeN says:

    Liberals are pretty gleeful over this killing, hoping to push for more gun control. Just as I predicted after Newtown.

    • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

      Yeah, whereas just the opposite happened then, and probably now too.

      Amusing the only argument a FERP can suggest is one he makes up himself that is devoid of or opposite from the facts.

      Silly Hooman.

      • Tim says:

        bobbo, your religion of State and it’s highly abridged and black magic-marker strikethrough Tome of Truth does seem to give me mold-spore autoimmune responses.

        There are plenty of things about this that screams your priests did it — Again.

        “”Three members of the Heaven’s Gate “away team” worked for Advanced Development Group (ADG), Inc., a company that developed computer-based instruction for the US Army. ADG later became ManTech Advanced Development Group; these organizations have connections to the First Earth Battalion.

        “”The First Earth Battalion was a Psy-op group that was formed in the U.S. military to allegedly handle military extraterrestrial affairs such as abductions, contact through telepathy, Remote Viewing and ESP and possible simulated extraterrestrial “drills” using holographic technology. First Earth Battalion eventually became the Jedi Project. All of these secretive Psy-op groups are, or were, well skilled in spreading information and disinformation about the occult, the Heaven’s Gate cult, the attacks of 9/11, remote viewing and UFO’s.

        They also were responsible for brainwashing and hybrid programming all connected to possible alien communication and false flag extra-terrestrial intel released to the media.

        http://groundzeromedia.org/away-team-the-cosmic-suicide-trope/

        “”… Remember March 24, 25 and 26th.
        In the year of 1997
        The away team left and went to heaven.
        Another world they saw, they live in in awe
        but they will return to save us all.

        And thus is my story, of fame and glory
        My testimony is my word and all I have
        For today I joined the Away team… — {allegedly} Aaron Alexis, posthumous FaceFuck post.

        http://infowars.com/media-buries-psychiatric-drug-connection-to-navy-shooter/

        Armed individuals who come across a situation like that are most likely not going to ‘stick their necks out’ because of the ongoing repression; Especially to save the likes of polititians like Gabrielle Giffords who weedle away intelligence and the Constitution to further a victim society — Scratch that; It seems an armed individual stopped the gunman; Bad example.

        Armed individuals such as two friends out hunting and coming across a rotting body in the woods generally understand that they keep their mouths shut about it because it’s ‘unsolved’ and they don’t want to be person-of-interest #1. State has gotta always get their man, after all.

        Never limp towards a ‘police officer’ for assistance — http://nydailynews.com/news/national/man-killed-police-believed-seeking-article-1.1456627

        bobbo, your slinging FERP around in situations where it doesn’t hold makes you inclusive to the 99 percentile — You’ve got your sports team and you root for them no matter what.

      • Sniffless In Seattle says:

        Urban dictionary says FERP is someone who smells bicycle seats. Cool.

        • bobbo, a studient of Machiavelli and all things Princely says:

          Context is everything when it comes to selecting the right word.

          There are conservatives….
          Republicans….
          Tea Partiers…..
          John Birchers…..
          KKK……

          all with their own bent and twist on a nexus of central themes.

          FERP and FLERP really gets going as a subset after the first two. Hmmm… should add Libertarians to the list.

          Lists never end….. if you keep thinking. Diminishing returns as there are so many lists.

    • Dallas says:

      I’m a liberal and not gleeful. That makes you a lying retard.

      Why do you want to be a lying retard? Not very attractive.

      • The Pirate says:

        Whats with all the labeling, bulling and name calling? Grab some intelligence and a decent argument why don’t ya.

        • Dallas says:

          It’s ‘bullying’, not bulling.

        • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

          Say Pirate: what is the form of a good argument when you observe someone lying?

          …. and how long and detailed does it need to be when the lying liar never recants but only waits one day to repeat the very same lie?

          …. and everyone on this here forum KNOWS IT?

          Ha, ha. Yes……. its true. Mickey even had the moniker of “Lying Mike” for quite a while.

          Its the FLERP program—lie and lie again until the sheep accept it as truth. Sad, it actually works. You know: like…guns keep you safe. That shit.

          • Tim says:

            gaslighting —

            http://corbettreport.com/gaslight-flnwo-08/

            It used to be sooo much fun for hope’n’changers.

          • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

            You gotta connect those dots Timmmmay. The only one gaslighting here is Lying Mike….. unless you think otherwise…. they you be too?

            In context, without going past the cover page of your link, gaslighting really is a different issue. Driving one crazy by subtle suggestions and changes in the environment making one question one’s perception and memory?

            Who tries to do that but our resident FLERP’s?

            Thinking of movie references: wasn’t it the gaslight dimming that proved that the nefarious plot was going on? So gaslighting really should mean the clue that stops the shennanigans? Or did Olivier (?) play with the lighting in some way as well? Anyway…. I bet that guy thought the poor needed to work harder too!

            Ha, ha.

          • bobbo, we think words, and flower with movie references says:

            I was right: “The footsteps she hears in the attic are thus his, and the flickering gaslights he claims she has imagined are in reality caused by him turning the attic lights on, reducing the flow of gas to the downstairs lights.” /// The term as it is now used is corrupted from its use in the play/movie.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslight_%281944_film%29

            Charles Boyer. Same deal.

          • Tim says:

            “”Driving one crazy by subtle suggestions and changes in the environment making one question one’s perception and memory?

            I do wish people would stop spraying the atmosphere with aluminum and barium and sulfur — It affects seeds and cognition.

            It’s fucking cold out, My crop had an early autumn making it stand out like a big, yellow sore thumb, there is record sea-ice both north and south — We’ve gotta close those mom’n’pop fireplaces now because AGW has gone Heaven’s Gate on us.

      • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

        Crap. I amended FERP to FLERP a while back but keep forgetting the current up to date usage. I do prefer the 4 letter format, but what sin to leave off?

        Its a dilema!

      • The Pirate says:

        Every time Dallas looks in the mirror, I want him to see me – his asshole.

        And now he will.

        • Dallas says:

          That makes no sense at all other than you called yourself an asshole. What is wrong with you people ?

          • bobbo, a studient of Machiavelli and all things Princely says:

            It makes sense. Thats what I see reading these posts. Some of Timmmmays aluminum based salve may help for temporary relief.

          • Tim says:

            Well, I did not get it. Perhaps it will congeal after I finally break down and test drive get GTA V??

  4. MikeN says:

    Guns don’t kill people, Ipads kill people.

  5. bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

    OTOH—I just read that not a single “mass murder” episode in the past 30 years has been ended by a local with a gun. Not directly responsive and almost making the same point? Unless…… all those peoples with guns would simply provide more such outbursts??

    How do you “know” which way more guns will break?

    While not perfect, the correlation is positive that the more guns you have, the more mass murders you have.

    It is very much like the analogy that only in the USA does a society identify murder by gun as a problem and the remedy is to have more guns? Like the problem of a malaria swamp and the remedy is to add more moisquitoes kind of thing.

    Whats Alice in Wonderland to this value system in America is the new laws in Arizona and North Carolina that forbids gun buy back programs or weapons destruction by public authorities.

    Can anyone point out a more self destructive cultural “value” other than allowing TeaParty Poops at all?—you know, a country founded on Enlightenment Principles?

    • dusanmal says:

      Obviously you are not of the Scientific mind: the very fact that they were mass shootings implies that there was no one armed there to stop them in time. In most cases (including this most recent one) two facts proving that: a) Mass shooter was eventually stopped/killed by someone WITH the arms arriving on the scene and STOPPING massacre b) Shooting happened in the place where guns are prohibited/”gun free zone” – hence no o0ne could have been there armed to stop the massacre.
      In few cases, like shooting at CO church armed people on the scene dramatically reduced number of victims, stopping the attacker soon after e/she starts.
      Finally, here is the link to a list of some most infamous ATTEMPTED mass shootings STOPPED by someone armed at the scene. Stopped as in – those were NOT mass murders.

      http://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanhatesthis/10-potential-mass-shootings-that-were-stopped-by-someone-wit

      hat is the scientific approach – find real cause and effect, not fit the spin facts to the ideology.

      • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

        Hey Duce. I agree to the mechanics of what you set forth. You still fail to address the main point: if everyone has guns, how many more Postal Moments will we have?

        I also wonder just how many shooters intending to go mass murder as opposed to one or two murders are in your analysis? You know–one guy shoots his boss and then is shot 15 minutes later in suicide by police? How do you gauge that reality?

        • jpfitz says:

          bobbo, It appears the only safe place would be a Starbucks now that guns are forbade. All the Starbucks in TX will now go outta business I guess. Other place too, where residents are required to carry a handgun.

          It’s getting crazy out there.

          These type of complexes that procure weapons and weapon systems should have weapons available with bullets. Parts are manufactured in almost every state and are contracted by the Navy to the lowest bidder, usually. Weapon builders without weapons does not compute.

          • bobbo, a studient of Machiavelli and all things Princely says:

            jp–you need to reflect more on your drafts before posting.

            The Navy base had weapons and ammunition–both were “available”. They both weren’t given to people who had no need for both for their assigned duties.

            I worked at a chicken ranch in my youth. When I left the cages and went to the retail shop to sell product, I never did, and never wanted, to take a chicken with me. Same with the Tank factory worker—build tanks all day long and drive my Toyota home.

            Pure unthinking word association. If you ever think about it, how often does this defective mode corrupt your best thinking?

  6. super77 says:

    Mentally ill + guns = bad. Am I the only one seeing a trend here?!

  7. bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

    Timmmmay making me look good by comparison says:
    9/18/2013 at 11:42 am:

    bobbo, your religion of State // I could stretch my liberal nom de flame to religion, but a State

    and it’s highly abridged /// meaning your religion has different dogma

    and black magic-marker strikethrough // redundant but a nice flourish

    Tome of Truth // there is no book literally or figuratively

    does seem to give me mold-spore autoimmune responses. /// Sickly people do have an active imagination…. filled with private analogies and fugue states.

    There are plenty of things about this that screams your priests did it — Again. /// I have no priests.

    ….respecting our delicate readers, deleted for a future date on regurgitation……

    bobbo, your slinging FERP /// I didn’t sling it but rather carefully selected le mot juste for the subject at hand.

    around in situations where it doesn’t hold /// I agree FLERP would have been more accurate, but yours is a quibble.

    makes you inclusive to the 99 percentile — /// my people!!!! Yours too. Ha, ha.

    You’ve got your sports team and you root for them no matter what. /// Not true at all. Silly Hoomans addresses the 99% all too often.

    Reply /// I did!

    Yea, verily!!!!

    • Tim says:

      I’m sorry; I was checking the action and cleaning my bolt-action .22 when I accidentally shot several people {sorry, Sahra P. , Mark P. , B. H. O. , everybody on NCIS, …, Lemmiwinks, … } Let me get back to you with that reply l8r.

      • bobbo, a studient of Machiavelli and all things Princely says:

        Multiple shots huh?

        I’d call that a shooter with a “dolt-action” weapon.

        Word Play.

        • Tim says:

          Word play, huu?

          World pay — single-payer sick-neglect legislation.

          • bobbo, one true Liberal recognizing explosions in space are rare says:

            That a nice word association unless the typo’s weren’t on purpose?

            ….. otherwise, your gun may have jammed. That happens a lot with dolt action mechanisms.

            Just look!

      • Tim says:

        Screw you, Micheal Weston; I wish to fuck my dolt-action, single-shot weapon didn’t warp it’s barrel after accidentally shooting all those other people. I’ll be back.

        p.s. I fucked Fiona — Oh yeahs, she never told you, did she?

  8. Mextli says:

    A true liberal has this to say.

    Gun control is not the answer
    By LZ Granderson
    http://tinyurl.com/kltgez2

    He actually makes sense instead of the usual rant by all the Piers Morgan imitators about eliminating guns. That will not happen.

    • LibertyLover says:

      This guy makes entirely too much sense to be left free to run around on the streets.

    • bobbo, a studient of Machiavelli and all things Princely says:

      A total pants load of undiluted BS.

      The first turd in the article: “And because gun-control advocates so often try to cobble together every distinct narrative involving guns into a one-size-fits-all conversation, they are as much to blame for this merry-go-round as the gun lobbyists against whom they fight.”

      Strawman — red herring — false equivalence. Yes, what a FLERP would call: “Very well Argued.”

      Well….. at least he didn’t start by saying as Mickey did: “This mass shooting has nothing to do with guns.”

      Ha, ha. Silly Hoomans makes too much light of the urge to self destruction and stupidity that is on display.

      Sign me up for the next spaceship.

      • Tim says:

        Naa, space is no good. What’s a bored Manchurian non-terrestrial officer to do? Taking pot-shots atPotocks off the back of the polar orbiter is hard no matter how advanced the optics. And the licenseable personal firearms are comical to begin with as the modified trigger housing is a calk-gun handle because of the stupid fat-fingered spacegloves which also lack tactile feedback.

        Not to mention, every shot is a garanteed three hundred orbits latrine duty calibrating waste-valve timings on the BM-Bernoulli no-flow microgravity toilets because the attitude control jets go spastic, upsetting the top-brass’ 3-d pool game ongoing in the viscous-air swimming simulator pod.

        Spaceships. You can keep them.

  9. sargasso_c says:

    When deployed military personnel carry loaded firearms. When based in their home camp they are required to disarm except for training purposes and when on guard duty. This is to prevent military insurrection, harassment of civilians and misplacement of military weaponry at home.

    • jpfitz says:

      The country was shocked and dismayed when the first series of USPS mass killings began in the eighties. The term going postal was coined and that was the term used for other mass killings at Zerox and fast food joints.

      The military is prone to the same outbursts of violence.

      What are these type of shootings called today? Crazy man with a gun? Since 9-11 the term going postal has seemed to fade away. Why?

    • Mario Mariani says:

      Your right and if these fools had ever served they would know that. It’s been that way since at least WWII.

  10. The Pirate says:

    This really doesn’t have anything to do with Clinton’s law, stupid is as stupid does there really.

    This has everything to do with “Shit Happens”. Eliminating guns will not stop “Shit Happens”. Propounding politicians serving their own self interests off the back of “Shit Happens” is the greater danger.

    We have arrived at that danger.
    All the rest is noise in the attic.

  11. jpfitz says:

    Almost everyone is more agitated lately. A few posters get along but I’m picking up a lot of negativity, not enjoyable anymore. I’ll chalk it up to the FUD volume raising.

  12. ShotgunMo says:

    So if gunpowder killed feudalism, and if they round up all the guns, (or make the ammo impossible to buy) does that mean I have to be a serf and say m’lord a lot?

    • bobbo, a studient of Machiavelli and all things Princely says:

      Distilling complex historical events, or imagined possible future scenarios, into one factor analysis is……….Dogma.

      You are RIGHT NOW being stripped of most of your traditional rights to privacy, to property, to jobs, to education, to secure retirement…. etc …. who ya gonna shoot?

      Silly Hooman.

  13. bobbo, a studient of Machiavelli and all things Princely says:

    jpfitz aping reasonableness says:
    9/18/2013 at 6:31 pm

    Not mostly illegal, but traceable with stringent background checks, this makes no sense that a shooter was able to buy a shotgun after hearing voices. /// The “sense” is that other Constitutional Right: to privacy, right to be secure in papers and property, due process, and equal protection. How much invasion to these more fundamental rights will you promote in a vacuum never connecting them to your “solution”?

    The scope of the VA should be much broader and faster to negate another PTSD veteran from obtaining a firearm. /// What planet are you posting from? You mean faster than three years to even get a returning veteran into the system so that 2 years later their PTSD claim can be denied? That VA system? …. aka …. start walking towards being realistic.

    The sad part of this is that more and more vets are offing themselves leaving behind torn families. /// No–the sad part was this guy killing so many other innocents. Its a characteristic of various neuroses not to be able to rank order issues against a value system.

    Note: I also put this utterance of yours in the failure to edit myself after forming a first impression category.

    • jpfitz says:

      Do you visit the VA? I do. The fact that you have no clue about what you type is embarrassing. The returning vets with PTSD that off themselves is much more common than a mass shooting. Where are you living. What reality have you accepted. Yea, it’s sad a sick man fell through the cracks of the system and murdered a dozen people with families, but the vets offing themselves is just as sad. Wars for treasure and oil create very sick men, especially those who were young and joined for patriotic reasons. Once the reality of what their action are and the futility and horror set in their own death is a welcomed release.

      I’m seeing a narrow minded self absorbed bobbo lately. Always finding an alternate “fact” trying to be righteous. Only finding solace in banter with Timmy. Cheer up and open your mind to happiness and please stop the slight insults. Because your no fun anymore, I did enjoy our back and forth, lately though, wow. You get back what you put out.

      Joy and Happiness be upon you.

      • bobbo, one true Liberal recognizing Obama is too far Right says:

        Did you just contradict yourself twice in one short post or did I read too fast?

        Yeap, I’m waiting for Timmy to get all pissy on me too. Timmy: do you substitute tangents when the flow gets heavy? I’m just the opposite. Jokes and Haiku’s and Heavy Words when happy. When pissed===a direct argument.

        Argument: a rewarding exchange whether won or lost.

        Amusing how many tie it to “other things.”

        Regarding VA wait time. How does it feel?

    • jpfitz says:

      My nephew is about six months back from Afghanistan. He’s in the system, and entered the VA system in about a month after his return.

      Don’t believe everything you watch on the telly.

  14. bobbo, a studient of Machiavelli and all things Princely says:

    Tim says:
    9/18/2013 at 1:54 pm

    “”guns have gotten out of control… When the constitution was written, they had muskets….. {10 minute load}

    Just for you, bobbo —

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=kq38hGJNzUI&feature=player_detailpage#t=335 /// Nice gentle humor.

    ///// The whole “right to bear arms” was conceived during the Musket era IS very relevant. Our Founding Fathers never for an instant considered modern firearms.

    Even FLERP’s should be able to see that…… but they don’t. Such is the power of Dogma.

    • Tim says:

      The guns are for defence against attacks both foriegn and domestic. Considering the former in a Red-Dawning type situation, what is a disarmed populace to do since Providence {whom I pray to} has seen to it that COG has had a little accident down in their trillion-dollar hidey-holes?

      “”After a shooting spree, they always want to take the guns away from the people who didn’t do it. I sure as hell wouldn’t want to live in a society where the only people allowed guns are the police and the military. — William S. Burroughs

      ———————-

      Anyways, I was trying to find a comedy routine which is more closely suited to this particular posting of unarmed forces but I can’t seem to. I thought it was Louie Anderson but it could have even been George Carlin.

      It goes like —
      Getting robbed
      feeling violated
      fake noise to scare burgler away {burgler: “Oh shit! Get out, he’s coughing!”}
      getting gun
      being afraid of gun
      keeping gun unloaded
      burying bullets in back yard
      getting robbed again {homeowner: “I’ve got a gun!” robber: “Yea, but I’ve got the bullets; I found them buried in the back yard.”}

      • jpfitz says:

        I’m with Burroughs on this subject.

        As far as muskets at the time the document was conceived. We don’t have muskets today, just as we don’t have oil lamps to read by. Technological leaps in manufacturing means the musket has been replaced. There is no way of getting around the fact that the Constitution flows with technology.

        This musket single shot argument is bogus. The governments of the past had the musket, so did the farmers and other citizens. Now the governments have automatic machine guns and the farmers and citizens have single shot repeating guns.

        I’m tired of hearing what people think the founding fathers would be thinking. Unless you have a time machine stop the bogus rhetoric.

        • LibertyLover says:

          +1

        • Tim says:

          “”There is no way of getting around the fact that the Constitution flows with technology

          Hear, Hear!

          But that’s an easy one — The criminals just shit-can it and overly-bleatty sheeple get to be canned-shit crazyhouse tennants and government cheeze.

        • bobbo, a studient of Machiavelli and all things Princely says:

          Can either of you Bozo’s (I’m leaving Loser out by definition) even “frame” the argument as to why the Musket analogy IS SO STRONG?

          …or are you just that bereft of ideas? /// Nay–opposing ideas?

          Funny how often its come up this thread: having no opposing ideas/only one idea that is repeated ad naseum…. Yes. Dogma. Unthinking Dogma.

          Prove me wrong. ie==the best argument for the musket reference—we already know you disagree with it so don’t waste electrons.

          …….GO!!!!!!!>>>>>>

          • bobbo, a studient of Machiavelli and all things Princely says:

            Ha, ha. OK—bar too high. How about “any” argument that shows why the musket reference has some application. Louie didn’t right out say it. But his is not the best argument.

            Here is only one argument why busy militia men should always carry fire arms: against a modern military, they will be a rallying symbol for at least one attack.

          • bobbo, a studient of Machiavelli and all things Princely says:

            Ha, ha. OK—bar too high. How about “any” argument that shows why the musket reference has some application. Louie didn’t right out say it. But his is not the best argument.

            Here is only one argument why busy militia men should always carry fire arms: against a modern military, they will be a rallying symbol for at least one attack. Any government that can’t survive that one attack, doesn’t deserve to be in power to begin with.

          • Tim says:

            Well, I can’t properly frame a reply to that as I believe all ‘authority’/’governments’ are illegitimate like a robber digging up the daffodiles looking for bullets that must be watched closely whilst connivingly-crouching in the secret sequestered jew-closet.

      • bobbo, a studient of Machiavelli and all things Princely says:

        That ditty doesn’t ring any bells. But, honestly, I may have tuned it out. Carlin had a routine that was funny but I really didn’t like it. …….. I can almost remember it. …… It could have been on guns for self defense, he could have even had two routines I didn’t like??

        It will come to me. I haven’t forgotten anything yet, the search time is lengthening to that eventuality though.

        I drink …. so I have an excuse…… and I’m thirsty now.

  15. MikeN says:

    I didn’t anticipate the double glee where it is active-duty military that gets killed. Just like the cop killing cop in California.

  16. MikeN says:

    Liberals were disappointed that he didn’t use an ‘assault weapon’ in the shootings, so they had to resort to declaring that he didn’t buy the assault weapon because of gun control laws, which they were too lazy or dishonest to actually check.

    • Mextli says:

      Right after the shooting Erin Burnett was breathlessly declaring on CNN that one of the weapons the shooter was using was an AR-15 “the same gun used at Sandy Hook and Aurora”.

      Navy Yard shooting: AR-15, back in the news — briefly
      http://tinyurl.com/l3nq852

      Naturally that misinformation lead to this.

      “The news prompted Sen. Dianne Feinstein, one of the strongest proponents of a ban on assault weapons like the AR-15, to issue a statement the same day asking, ‘When will enough be enough?’ ”

      A liberal should NEVER be trusted with a loaded mouth.

      • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist who eschews the bumper sticker in favor of the didactic says:

        Well, when will enough be enough?

  17. LibertyLover says:

    First off, I want to say I am saddened by what happened at the Navy Yard. It was a tragedy.

    But because I can’t keep my mouth shut, I want to point out some interesting facts.

    Aaron used a Remington Model 870 Pump Action Shotgun. The 870 can hold up to 5 shells in it (six with one in the chamber). It is typically sold with a plug in the magazine which drops this number to three total. You can get a magazine extension that will boost that to ten (max as per federal law, I believe).

    I want people to think about this. Aaron used one of the most basic and primitive weapons available on the market today to shoot his way through 22 people, killing 12 of them.

    He did not have an “Assault” weapon (though he did assault someone with it) and he did not have a large capacity magazine. If he had purchased a large capacity magazine for it, it would have been the size that the disarmament lobby would have you believe would stop these kinds of tragedies.

    Aaron was armed as the disarmament lobby would have us believe is the only solution for a safe society.

    This tragedy has turned every argument for disarmament on its head.

    • jpfitz says:

      Agreed, very saddened and an unexpected rampage on our own Navy at desk work inside DC.

      Joe Biden: ‘Buy A Shotgun!’

      That will teach a politician for recommending a firearm.

    • bobbo, one true Liberal recognizing Obama is too far Right says:

      If Loser can only stop stroking himself for a moment: “This tragedy has turned every argument for disarmament on its head.” /// How about complete and total ban like any sane person recognizes?

      – – – – – – – DOGMA– – – – – – – –

      Silly Hooman.

      Like healthcare–what we have is not what any liberal wants==only an intermediate stage from what we’ve got…to what will eventually come.

      Its like evolution–happens whether you believe it or not.

      …… but I dither.

      • Tim says:

        God damn; Why do control freak parrot-lackies for NWO embrace ugly fucking wastes of human skin??

        “Mr. and Mrs. America, turn them all in.”

        • Tim says:

          And if you’re just irked about total numbers of sensless killings, then what is being called for that will entrain millions should cause you to put tinfoil atop the pyrex so blood doesn’t splash into your tea —

          http://youtube.com/watch?v=ffI-tWh37UY

        • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist who eschews the bumper sticker in favor of the didactic says:

          She’s a politician. Trolling her voting base just as the “Arm every citizen” crackpot trolls his base in the South.

          But the SUBJECT was the dialectic. Its almost always a lie or abysmal ignorance that says there is no answer to any proposition. Thats the way the Universe works.

          My Dogma is strong.

  18. bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist who eschews the bumper sticker in favor of the didactic says:

    Tim says:
    9/19/2013 at 9:44 am

    Well, I can’t properly frame a reply to that as I believe all ‘authority’/’governments’ are illegitimate /// All? as in like compared to “no” government?? Or what is your alternative? Better stick with tangents?

    like a robber digging up the daffodiles looking for bullets that must be watched closely whilst connivingly-crouching in the secret sequestered jew-closet. /// Hmmmmm…. nope. I can’t make that analogy work at all. Little help? /// Hah, ha. Asking for help from someone who posts all governments are illegitimate???

    Hypo–if your feelings got rubbed on that one, recognize I didn’t say you think like this==just what you POSTED. You know—like who you are, and what is posted are “like” two different things?

    Yea, verily!

    • Tim says:

      No kid-gloves required. That is what I think.

      This is what it takes to get premature deaths by the hundreds of millions —

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democide

      Kid Gloves
      http://youtube.com/watch?v=7qJmYCY7q1U

    • Tim says:

      Film,, and the New World Order says “here is an example of keeping the gloves off” —

      “”Could it be possible I was one of those subhuman things? I walked the streets in a daze like a man with a light concussion. I would’ve destroyed myself. And a wise old queen – bobbo, we called her – taught me that I had a duty to live and bear my burden proudly for all to see. Poor bobbo came to a sticky end – he was riding in the Duke Devanche’s Hispano Suissa when his falling hemorrhoids blew out of the car and wrapped around the rear wheel. He was completely gutted leaving an empty shell sitting there on the giraffe skin upholstry. Even the eyes and the brain went with a horrible “shlupping” sound. The Duke says he would carry that ghastly “shlup” with him to his mausoleum. — William S. Burroughs, The Naked Lunch

  19. Dude Love says:

    There are more people killed by drunk drivers than killed in mass shootings. Do we outlaw alcohol? Do we hear of any laws that limit alcohol types or consumption?

    • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist who eschews the bumper sticker in favor of the didactic says:

      I read more people are killed by hammers. Or was that the Onion again?

    • Tim says:

      Dude, there are more people killed annually by cops, bee-stings, elevator failures, slipping on the dildo in the tub, and lightning strikes than in mass-shootings.

      Tick one box as there is no need for them to be combined as any one of those unfortunates outnumber those killed in mass-shootings.

  20. counselor of the dickless says:

    You lot are hilarious. One “story” posted on one rightwing tinfoil hat site picked up by the rest of the sisterhood. No newspaper, radio station or TV station covering legitimate news with reporters, national or local, copied the story.

    Fox picked it up for an hour or two and then pulled it as fabrication. It ain’t at their website, now.

    But, because it fits your wet dreams you discuss it till the wee hours of the night. You really haven’t anything constructive to do with your time, do you?

    • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist who eschews the bumper sticker in favor of the didactic says:

      The entire thread still applies to those agile of mind: “What if….” …. and we are off and running.

      Truly, in the world of ideas, facts are only invitations.

  21. Uncle Patso says:

    When I hear the “arm everyone” argument the following scenario pops into my head:

    * A walks into a public space and starts shooting at people

    * B sees A shooting at people and starts shooting at A

    * C sees B shooting at A and starts shooting at B

    * D sees C shooting at B and starts shooting at C

    and so on. Chain reaction. Soon everybody in the place is shooting at everybody else in the place.

    • LibertyLover says:

      These United States operated under fully-armed populace assumption for hundreds of years and that didn’t seem to happen. In fact, we had less mass murders than we do today. It’s only recently, with the advent of Gun Free Zones, that we’ve seen a problem crop up.

      • bobbo, we think with words, but often get bogged down and stuck says:

        Why don’t you go for a perfect FLERP and claim that things “seemed to be better when we had slavery.” Makes as much sense as what you post… and for much the same reason.

        I do suspect from anyone else this would be an attempt at humor…. but you don’t show much of that…so I do accept your idiocy at face value.

        Prove me wrong.

      • Rick says:

        Incorrect. In the old west, many towns had a requirement that you surrender your weapons to the Sheriff for the duration of your stay. You got them back when you were leaving.

    • bobbo, not a student of the dismal science, but I do balance my check book says:

      Same ballpark: two drivers in road rage shoot each other dead. I blame the second driver who pulled off the road to have an argument.

      Idiots. Idiots with guns is just redundant.

      http://wzzm13.com/news/article/268289/14/Enraged-drivers-shoot-kill-each-other

      • NewformatSux says:

        So you are not buying a gun to avoid being redundant.

        • bobbo, we think with words, and flower with music references says:

          Ha, ha. Mechanical…. but still funny.

    • MikeN says:

      Who knew John Woo was everywhere?

  22. Sea Lawyer says:

    I call BS. I’m think the military learned its lesson after Beirut with having guards carrying around unloaded weapons. At the base where I work, every Officer of the Day is armed with a pistol while on duty, and has been for many years; and that’s besides the people who are actual military police on duty.

    • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

      Do you think every gun on a military base should be loaded?

      Who said the Guards had unloaded weapons?

      Wilbur…. you don’t make any sense.

    • Rick says:

      WRONG. The Military learned its lesson about relying on civilian contracted armed security. The Bush Regime was so obsessed with privatizing as many aspects of the military it went right down to displacing MP’s with poorly trained, old, and fat security guards who couldn’t guard a Little Debbie Snack Cake factory much less a military base.

      If you have noticed, the US Navy suddenly put MP’s back on guard duty after this massacre.

  23. deowll says:

    Even the legitimately insane people know were to find a bunch of setting ducks to kill. Sad.

  24. bobbo, we think with words, some better than others says:

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    bobbo, not a student of the dismal science, but I do balance my check book says:
    9/19/2013 at 2:33 pm

    Same ballpark: two drivers in road rage shoot each other dead. I blame the second driver who pulled off the road to have an argument.

    Idiots. Idiots with guns is just redundant.

    http://wzzm13.com/news/article/268289/14/Enraged-drivers-shoot-kill-each-other //// A friend sent me the same link with a caption that there had been a “Double Darwin.” My response with an open question:

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    Sad circumstance but an opportunity for us all to imagine ourselves in the same situation in order to make the best decisions for our selves in the future? Kinda like LEARNING to fly an airplane: you make mistakes and learn from them.

    For instance I keep two learned scenarios in my mind for future reference:
    1. You come home late at night and your front door is slightly ajar. What to Do? >>>don’t go in to look around. Leave. Call the police.
    2. You are held up at gun point and told to give over your money, or get in a car, or walk towards an alley. What do Do? Throw the money, wallet, into the air and run towards people. Better to be shot in public than taken somewhere private. The money/wallet may avert the perps attention.

    Here, the situation arose while Pullman for some reason good or bad was being tailgated. What to Do? I think pulling off the road was the right thing to do.

    Then the tailgater Taylor followed him to the parking lot. Pullman got out of his car. BAD MOVE. I think I would have then driven my car out of the parking lot again to where more people would be like a hospital or a police station if I could find either.

    But… out of the Car, Taylor pulled a gun and started shooting. What to do? Well–you have to shoot back after making the mistake to get out of your car. All very similar to the Zimmerman case. People feeling brave/safe because they have a gun.

    More than one off ramp existed in this situation. Only one was used.

    What would anyone else do when being tailgated by an agitated driver?
    What would anyone else do if he follows you to where you parked?

    Its good to think through these things. I’ve had about 4-5 similar incidents==just the starting scenarios, they never escalated. Just be glad you aren’t Black asking the police for help?

  25. NewformatSux says:

    The title is wrong, as at least one person shot was an armed guard

  26. Rick says:

    My sister was in the military, and guns were not permitted unless you were on the tarmac during deployment or at the firing range getting tested.
    MP’s of course had guns, pistols, shotguns, even M-16s when guarding the highly sensitive AWACS planes and B-1 bombers.

    This is just common sense really, a military base is a restricted access area, it would be a nightmare for MP’s if everybody was walking around with guns.

    Can you imagine what a drunken fight at the NCO club would be like if all the enlisted had guns?

  27. Roger says:

    Clearly if guns are not needed than we should send soldiers into combat with no firearms, bombs etc. They can cuddle the enemy and sing kumbaya and play guitars. What fricken planet are you people from?

    Maybe all the police should be disarmed too. We can decree that Detroit be a gun free zone with the police disarming first. The criminals will be so encouraged by this good faith display that they will show up in droves to hand in their weapons.

    Complete stupidity.

    Of course the Libtard argument is that guns do not deter crime so I would invite you to come on my property and see how much that rings true when my .223 hollow points eviscerate you.


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