More evidence keeps surfacing showing Intelligence Committee members are simply jerking around their fellow Senate and Congress members when it comes to providing the documents needed to provide oversight for the NSA. Tony Romm’s engrossing article for Politico refers to this deliberate obfuscation (tactfully) as “some limits,” but adding what’s been newly discovered to what we already know shows that the heads of the Intelligence Committees aren’t really interested in collaborating with their colleagues to provide credible oversight.

The White House is its own problem, continually insisting (along with national intelligence officials) that everyone, both in the Congress and Senate, has had access to all pertinent briefings, rulings and other needed info — even when it knows for a fact this information has not been disseminated. This helps the administration maintain its narrative of a well-oiled intelligence machine operating with the explicit permission of its oversight and allows the blame to be shifted elsewhere. If the American public is angry about the NSA’s programs, the White House wants to aim that at legislators, rather than the NSA and administration.



  1. MikeN says:

    For Congress to interfere with the actions of the executive branch is treason. For you to call for treasonous actions makes you a traitor. Obama is entitled to do whatever it takes to act against such treason.

    • Captain Obvious says:

      But there’s that pesky Patriot Act which Congress passed. And that Constitutional requirement for Congressional oversight. And the requirement of the Intelligence Committee to report back to Congress. Other than that, you’re absolutely right.

      • MikeN says:

        If Congress doesn’t properly support the President, it is committing treason.

  2. Somebody_Else says:

    I highly doubt Congress is as ignorant as they’re claiming to be.

    • Captain Obvious says:

      They know what’s going on. Sensenbrenner and Leahy are both pushing bills to gut the FISA provisions of the Patriot Act. Of course Feinstein will dig in against it.

  3. noname says:

    The whole 15 SSCI member committee is a dog and pony farce!

    The truth is, all SSCI members have to remain disloyal to the American public and loyal to CIA/NSA/DoD to maintain their security clearances and information access! Because they are skilled politicians, they lie and tell the American public what they want to hear and Americans believe, as a whole with no evidence required! That also means lying to fellow congress members!

    Why do you think the rest of the world is starting to see America for what it is, and not what it wished it was!

    Americans willfully believe there is meaningful oversight of these Master Puppeteers; talking about having the public by the nutsack and the fox guarding the hen-house!

    How can any organization be held accountable when that organization has to self-report to be held accountable? Without “illegal” leaks and independent investigations, Americans would not know of any abuses and missuses of funds by our fearless “police state” government continues to engage in, in “keeping our republic/democracy safe”!

    • Tim says:

      “”Here’s the latest collage by Stephen McQuillen (aka “The Piss”). It’s a video called The Bottom Line, with a soundtrack by Negativland. Before you view it, be warned: it contains many disturbing images of torture from Abu Ghraib prison, including the images and videos recently aired on Australian television and barely mentioned in the US press. It’s not for the squeamish: (download video, 16meg Quicktime file). Thanks Stephen!

      http://blog.wfmu.org/freeform/2006/02/the_bottom_line.html

      You won’t find that one on YouRube, folks. It’s an .mov file so if you can view it then there is something seriously wrong with your machine; But, just in case we have some really sick bastards here, then you may try to view it from the link above — here is the audio;

      http://youtube.com/watch?v=BWWzh_BL7Lc

      enjoy

  4. bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

    When Clapper lied to Congress on tape and no action has been taken against him by the Pres or by Congress, the case was closed on who is doing whom. Why is somewhat of a mystery still, but not the what.

    Just look.

    Then vote: ALL ENCUMBENTS OUT OF OFFICE.

    • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

      Ha, ha. This is such a slap in the face, I can’t even read it past the headline: “President Obama orders intelligence chief accused of lying to Congress to lead NSA review..”

      Oliver North having a successful career pops into mind as well. I don’t mind he was involved in drugs for arms for insurrection against popular governments in South America. I do mind he lied to Congress. Same complaint regarding Clinton.

      http://theverge.com/2013/8/12/4614968/president-obama-james-clapper-dni-surveillance-review-group

      My religion’s central tenet is: Don’t Lie. Sometimes its ok to lie to others, but not under oath, and NEVER to yourself. Taa Daa!!!!!!!!!

      • Wordy Wordpecker says:

        It’s interesting that you now say, My religion’s central tenet is: Don’t Lie. Sometimes its ok to lie to others, but not under oath, and NEVER to yourself. Taa Daa!!!!!!!!!

        Talk about Clinton-esque wishy-washy!

        Or maybe you mean to say that it’s OK to lie when it supports an even bigger lie?! (Don’t bother answering.)

        Clearly, you BELIEVE the lies that the leftist’s have been telling you and continue to tell everyone within earshot. It’s not like Bill Clinton ever lied or was IMPEACHED! (Try looking up the word sarcasm in case you’re not bright enough to pick up on it here.) I bet if he had been prosecuted, which is the next step after impeachment that you probably would have conveniently forgot that as well. And just never mind that little old Whitewater issue.

        So is it a lie to not tell the whole truth? I say YES! And here’s a great example: Clinton’s NAFTA legislation since we’re on the subject of ol’ Billy Boy and all.

        That single piece of legislation – NAFTA – is now causing most of the economic turmoil we’re all experiencing. But are we reminded of it? Is anyone with any kind of voice saying anything? NO! Because according to you and any other left leaning, air-sucking, protesting, jealous, lame brain, it’s all the fault of greedy big business and/or the Republicans. Or at the very least, it’s the fault of everyone in Congress.

        But then, that’s what religion does. RELIGION IGNORES TRUTH especially when it conflicts with BELIEF! And here’s the kicker. Telling half truths isn’t exactly lying. Now, is it?!

        Care to re-read your statement again?

        Of course, that’s NOT to say that Congress or even a few Republican’s shouldn’t be blamed. I just say place blame at the feet of those who are RESPONSIBLE! Place blame at the feet of the people you REFUSE to even LOOK AT probably because you have your nose so far up their stink holes that you can’t even see the light any more. Or maybe, just maybe… YOU BELIEVE THEM!

        Just how pathetically stupid or ignorant of history can you or any other leftist get? If you had any kind of sense you just might realize that this so called “downfall” is the result of your own hero’s and their band of criminals – OBUMMER, PINHEADLOSI, and HARRY!

        If nothing else, think about who is supposed to be LEADING!!!

        And it’s not like the sheer fact that listening to LAWYERS – and BELIEVING what they say would be some kind of clue either.

        So now you want to talk about national security and try to pin all the governmental short comings (or whatever) on who again?! “Repuke” Ollie North?!! A dumb ass SOLDIER who was probably just following orders?!!! Not that I agree with what Oliver North did, but it is a bit of a stretch, even for you.

        So I ask, what kind of dope are you smoking these days? Because I say it’s the farts of the socialist’s RELIGION that you’ve somehow allowed to poison your mind. Try reading your own posted bullshit a bit more often and maybe you can smell it. (Again, don’t bother answering since we can ALL pretty much correctly guess what you’re going to say.)

        But look who I’m telling. The non “hooman” bullshit artist with no olfactory sense. Ha, ha, HA!

        So kudos to you for you temporarily sucking me into your insanity here. Not too many people take you very seriously any more. Not even the Communists.

        So babble on you babbling BOOB! Babble on…

        Oh! And be sure to use some more /// and === and any other moronic punctuation/spelling/grammar. Don’t even TRY to get it right. After all, you’re an Imperialist American who can do whatever he/she damn well likes. We all know how you never had a chance in that enlightened liberal public school that took your HUMANITY!

        • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

          Hey Wordy: you can never tell the whole truth, so your definition is a bit faulty there.

          I directly said Clinton lied and you spent half your rant saying otherwise where you could have been telling more truth on the other subjects you necessarily were more lying on than had you spent more time telling more truth.

          You often should not tell the truth when it causes damage/hurt for no good reason. Children, the dying, the retarded.

          Silly Hooman.

  5. Mextli says:

    We should take confidence in Mr. James Clapper’s testimony. He has a long history as an advocate for transparency and the truth.

    • Dallas says:

      I fully support Mr Clapper. As director of the NSA, I wouldn’t tell those pinheads in Congress a thing and would be as coy as possible.

      • Tim says:

        I would be more outraged by that if I didn’t know that you responsibly rotate your hamster —

        http://youtube.com/watch?v=q6_lCUTQH08

        • Dallas says:

          Cute. You’re about as funny and clever as Pedro.

          Clapper was likely the only person in there not putting on a show. He probably thinking “I’ve got a country to protect. These fucktards are campaigning on TV. They don’t know a threat if it bit them in the ass. ”

          Love that guy. Exactly who I want running the NSA

          • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

            Very short sighted there Dallas. You may like some aspect of a government official lying to Congress, even here where the NSA is spying on we the people, but what about the next guy who thinks he is above the law? What program might he be running?

            Know what I mean?

          • Gilligan says:

            Oh Dallas. You’re so full of shit. You actually make Bobbo sound Intelligent!

          • Dallas says:

            Bobbo, Clapper didn’t lie. He was asked a confusing question on ‘collecting’ data. “Collecting data” could mean anything.

            When you browse the internet, you’re not ‘collecting data’. Now, when you downloaded and inspected that porn, you’re ‘collecting data’. Quite making shit up that didn’t happen

          • Tim says:

            Clapper did lie. Clapper admits he lied after the Snowden leaks showed him to be a liar.

            http://techdirt.com/articles/20130701/12494623683/james-clapper-admits-he-lied-to-congress-even-his-excuse-is-misleading.shtml

            http://cdn.freedomoutpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/clapper.jpg

            The time for apologizing for your loosing teams are over — It’s time to sit around and stew and dream up plausible scenarios that will defeat the adversary as We the People are at war with ‘They’.

          • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

            Dallas–if the question is confusing or ambiguous you don’t give a definite answer as if the question was clear. You ask for clarification. As I will now:

            When I browse the internet I do not come across your love notes to your significant other. I don’t come across what you have downloaded onto to your computer. I can’t find what concepts you are using Google to explore.

            Is there an app for that?

          • Dallas says:

            I agree he should not have answered to an ambiguous statement and used the standard “I’ll get back to you” or “I don;t remember” or “What the fuck do you mean, Senator?” …. That was his error..he answered.

            Kudos to Clapper for protecting M’Erica

          • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

            So…… it wasn’t sarcasm?

            Here’s some though: Should I thank you for protecting the humor establishment of America?

          • Tim says:

            A puss self-licking his boots —

            http://youtube.com/watch?v=GBsGDcw6AsQ

          • Tim says:

            “”“I’ll get back to you” or “I don;t remember” or “What the fuck do you mean, Senator?”

            The question was presented to him in writing 40 hours before the play went live so that he should have addressed such questions with his fellow actors in the troup instead of putting on such a sorry fuck-poor and insincere improvisation and piss-callouse-bold ad-lib dumb fuck lie.

            RTFA, already.

          • MikeN says:

            No, it was a deliberate lie in response to a question that shouldn’t have been asked.

      • Captain Obvious says:

        Dallas does a reverse 2 1/2 somersault troll in the pike position. And apparently nailed the entry.

        • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

          I took it as sarcasm the first time through but I don’t see any markers for it. Sadly, people do honestly think that Congress isn’t worth telling the truth to, so how can someone without an intimate knowledge of Dallas’ belief system ever know? We all stray from our more perfect selves from time to time, subject to subject.

          • Tim says:

            “”…You see them sometimes; Walking around blindly with dead eyes, following orders, not knowing what they are doing, not caring.

            http://youtube.com/watch?v=SkzV5AIK8iM

          • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

            That is “one of” the funniest movie lines ever because you can substitute any hated group of choice. Those were the Golden Years of Hollywood …. running scared from McCarthy. …. Good times.

        • Dallas says:

          How cute. What else ya got?

  6. sargasso_c says:

    Dizzy.

  7. t0llyb0ng says:

    NSA motto & mission:  Leave no photon unsiphoned.

    & the number of photons siphoned will only keep going up.  Who’s gonna stop ’em?  You?  Some politician(s)?

    Only thing that’s slowed ’em down so far has been their own breathtaking incompetence with electricity at the nascent Bluffdale facility—a temporary setback.

    lamebrain is one word
    no hyphen in henhouse
    no hyphen in reread
    shortcomings is one word

  8. Glenn E. says:

    The US Congress only gets involved when its own ass is on the line, or one of its high paying lobbyist’s ass is. And again, only because Congressmen’s own ass is on the line, with one of its lobbyists.

    Otherwise, most couldn’t care less. They’ve probably all been assured that none of this privacy violating surveillance, will impact any of them or their families. And that’s a couple thousand more US citizens, that can breathe easy. Because the “rules” don’t apply to them. They and theirs, will never be bothered, troubled, violated, or inconvenienced, the way the rest of us slaves are. So they’re not going to get all bent out of shape about regulating it, or stopping it. But they must put on a show, like they’re actually doing their job, for the voting public.

  9. freddybobs68k says:

    Interesting documentary about CIA/NSA. Has lots on ‘plausible deniability’, expansion of powers, iran contra, and so forth…

    http://thoughtmaybe.com/counter-intelligence/

  10. JimD says:

    If the Committee Members aren’t getting the info they need, they should, in the words of Nancy Reagan, “Just say NO !!!” No to reauthorizing the UN-Patriot Act, Funding for NSA, Funding for the CIA, etc, etc …

  11. Bignumber says:

    Ha, yes, this title is very good indeed…vote in new oxymorons is the solution supposedly, ha, even funnier. I pray for a mob boss like jesus/buddha/kind satan with a gun.


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