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“The causes of schizophrenia have been the subject of much debate”, and the debate is now extended with a new possibility proposed by Dr. Kemal Irmak, of the High Council of Science, Gulhane Military Medical Academy, Ankara, Turkey.

In the June 2014 issue…of the Journal of Religion and Health(which is an “international interdisciplinary journal which publishes original peer-reviewed articles that deal with mental and physical health in relation to religion and spirituality of all kinds.”) Dr. Irmak and colleagues ask : Schizophrenia or Possession?

“Hallucinations are a cardinal positive symptom of schizophrenia which deserves careful study in the hope it will give information about the pathophysiology of the disorder. We thought that many so-called hallucinations in schizophrenia are really illusions related to a real environmental stimulus.

One approach to this hallucination problem is to consider the possibility of a demonic world. Demons are unseen creatures that are believed to exist in all major religions and have the power to possess humans and control their body. Demonic possession can manifest with a range of bizarre behaviors which could be interpreted as a number of different psychotic disorders with delusions and hallucinations. The hallucination in schizophrenia may therefore be an illusion—a false interpretation of a real sensory image formed by demons.”

The new theory raises an enigmatic question : if medication helps patients, is it acting on the patients themselves, or on the demons which possess them?


  1. B. Dog says:

    I’m not a medical doctor, but maybe he’s right.

  2. AdmFubar says:

    Oo, ee, oo ah ah,
    Ting tang,
    Wala wala bing bang,
    Oo ee, oo ah ah,
    Ting tang,
    Walawala bang bang

  3. scottVorak says:

    It’s what the clery tell the grieving parents which helps them cope with the unexplained. Thankful governments are investing heavily into brain science research.

  4. bobbo, are we Men of Science, or was Freud just a Dick says:

    Demonic Possession: believing in things that aren’t there. Well, if that is possible then NOT believing in things that ARE there surely must also be investigated?

    I’ll put denying science down as one of the Greatest Demonic Achievements that is easily demonstrated happening all the time even as I type this sentence.

    AGW. The RICH provide jobs. Jailing drug addicts is better than Hospitalization. All sorts of Demon inspired beliefs and denials going on.

    Is it Demons, Medications/Chemistry, or Love of Money?

    Its a puzzle.

  5. bobbo, are we Men of Science, or was Freud just a Dick says:

    This is almost on point:

    “”During his recent visit to the US, General Fang Fenghui , chief of staff of the People’s Liberation Army, said that … territory passed down by previous Chinese generations to the present one will not be forgotten or sacrificed,” Carpio said.” /// Almost sounds reasonable doesn’t it? But the non-Demonized history is that until the last 3 years, no official map of China made by the Chinese has ever included much of the ocean.


    Whats especially ironic is that serious military kinetic adventures may/most likely will take place between china and Vietnam, possibly the Phillipines, and Hopefully not Japan over the issue of finding more oil in a future that already is past due finding and using alternatives to oil: ie: even RIGHT NOW 70% of proven in ground reserves must stay in the ground or we will cook ourselves out of existence.


    Why do people believe crazy shit, whether hallucinating or not?

    Good time to inventory one’s own mental constructs. Why do we believe what we do and how do we change it?

    Fun stuff.

  6. MikeN says:

    When I saw the post, I figured the expert on schizophrenia is bobbo, who sometimes posts as Mr conFusion.

  7. Nutjob says:

    OK. Let’s just consider the source for a moment. Dr. Kemal Irmak is practicing something we are to assume is psychology/psychiatry at a military academy in TURKEY! That’s right next door to Syria where a lot of the really crazy shit is happening. Not that Turkey isn’t undergoing some political/social upheaval of their own, it’s all in the middle east!!! So could it be that this so called doctor has nothing to do with the medical profession but is rather a doctor of divinity which is about the most bullshit degree anyone could ever get? And in a place where being a witchdoctor is still considered to be a “profession”?! The article I saw never says what his profession actually is.

    Next, consider the web site this piece of mental crap appeared on — “Improable Research”. Their motto even seems to be, “Research that makes people laugh and then think.” I’m not sure what “people” this is referring to but it’s pretty clear to me that a web site that produces pure crap like this is nothing but a orchestrated conglomeration of bullshit artists where the goal is pretty clear — to get people to visit which in turn helps fund them (from their advertising scumbags).

    Frankly, I find it a bit insulting to be using a mental disorder as some kind of topic of humor. Not so much the actual disease of schizophrenia but the social disease most readers have where there’s some kind of belief that anything on a web site or in print must be true! I can just see the (mentally ill) trolls replying with comments like, “you should be insulted.” And I think THAT is why this web site — Dvorak — decided to make it a topic. Booo! Hissss! Dvorak, you’re loosing my respect every day you do crap like this.

    Hey Dvorak! Whatever happened to your technology prowess? Why don’t you publish anything more relevant to your own skills like the slow deterioration of the internet and subjects related to net neutrality? Wasn’t there a huge tech conference out there in la-la-land just recently? Are you still steaming over being snubbed by Google? Did the NSA get to you, or WHAT?! Why do your degrade your blog (and your SELF) to this kind of content?

    • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

      Frankly, I find it a bit insulting to be using a mental disorder as some kind of topic of humor. /// Why? One key characteristic of the mentally ill is their inappropriate humor. Its either non existent or wildly inane==you know, like Alfie.

      Not so much the actual disease of schizophrenia but the social disease most readers have where there’s some kind of belief that anything on a web site or in print must be true! //// Only the mentally ill of the sort without any humor would think that is true.

      What gives?

  8. Greg Allen says:

    I’ve dealt with a number of demons (or “demons” — depending on ones perspective.)

    I’ve also dealth with more than a few schizoprenic people.

    The two seem distinctly different to me.

    IMHO, demons are an externialized moral (or social) conflict while schizophrenia is a biological disorder.

    Schizophrenia remains quite consistence across cultures while demon possion is very much tied to culture.

    But, I would argue, there is something universal about demons.

    I’ve seen them in every relgion I’ve encountered and even a similar thing in atheists (although explained naturalistically).

    • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

      Greg–I recall you are religious, humanitarian, and honest… so I wonder if you have an example of this “external moral conflict.” Why does that phrase not completely cover the issue rather than add on to it the notion, label, confusion of calling it a demon? What does adding that label do for the issue?

  9. Tim says:

    The trained clinician formulates a diagnosis based on the color of the puke when the patients’ head spins around.

  10. Benjamin says:

    One takes medication to get rid of, the other exorcism. I think that is the only way to tell the two apart. However, I am not seeing demons everywhere.

  11. I can cast out demons for a flat rate of $1000 per demon, payable in advance. Then for my next divine feat, I can disappear with your money. As God’s servant, I’m not allowed to tell you how it’s done, but it’s 100% effective.

  12. JimD says:

    “Demonic Possession” is the result of EXTREME ABUSE OF CHILDREN – physical, mental, sexual – at the hands of “Reigious Fundamentalist” parents !!! See how they hide behind their “Faith” when their DEMONIC CHIDREN go on a rampage !!! “We had no idea”. they will say ….

  13. SchwettyBalls says:

    Of course Demons are in your head. You simply go to your local Barber and he will give you a proper blood letting and punch a hole into your head to release it. If you are lucky your insurance will cover the leeches as well.


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