Reverend Reality speaks at TedX about Reality Reconciles Science and Religion. Talking about the Evidential Reformation Reverend Reality lays out a common path that both Religion and Atheism can evolve into. This is religion 3.0 – the authority of evidence rather than the authority of scripture. And this is a religious view that even Atheists can appreciate. (If you can listen long enough to get past religious terminology).

Does the religious world and Atheism have a common future? Michael Dowd says YES! How so?

  • Reality is our God
  • Evidence is our Scripture
  • Big History is our Creation Story
  • Ecology is our Theology
  • Integrity is our Salvation
  • A just and health future is our Mission

Religious people try to do the right thing but their map of reality is limited to old books. We now have a common creation story that is being revealed through evidence. In short – the Hubble Telescope is revealing the nature of reality. This is a creation story that the universe is telling us and scientists who are Christian, Muslim, Hindu, and Atheist alike are discovering the same thing. God isn’t an invisible cloud being – God is merely a personification of Reality itself. We now know more about Reality than we did thousands of years ago. Reality is the upgraded version of all other religions.

Similarly, Realism is the upgrade to Atheism. Atheism is about God and Atheists spend way too much time reading the Bible and talking about the Bible. In fact Atheists are more obnoxious about the Bible than Christians are. What Atheists don’t get is that religious people don’t care about what you don’t believe in. They are interested however in what you do believe in.

One of the problems with Atheism is that knowing everything about nothing has no value. Knowing all about what doesn’t exist doesn’t tell you anything about what does exist. Realism is actually the opposite of Atheism in that Realism is about everything and Atheism is about nothing.

So when it comes to the issue of “what is the meaning of meaning?”, Atheism has nothing. How should we live our lives? What is the purpose of humanity? What should I do when I wake up in the morning? Where does right and wrong come from? These questions are not only the important questions, but for some reason they make Atheists squirm.

Sam Harris is an example of this. Sam is so adverse to religion that just saying the word “Church” shuts him down. So scared is he of these ideas that he write a book claiming we have no free will. That we live in a deterministic universe that we are playing through like puppets in a deterministic movie that has already been filmed.

Humanism and Naturalism are examples of Atheists moving in the right direction towards an understanding of how to live in Right Relationship to Reality. Understanding the meaning of meaning.

Religious people don’t get that Reality isn’t a choice and that choosing to believe in something doesn’t make it real. Atheists don’t get that Reality is fundamental to Atheism because without Reality there would be no place for God not to be real in. Atheists also don’t get that being a smug asshole isn’t the best way to win souls for Darwin.

 



  1. bobbo, are we Men of Science, or Devo says:

    Sadly, most theists get their theology from pop culture and then get it wrong time two.

    Regarding Hubbles expanding universe, do popular tv evangelical atheist scientists get it wrong by saying ALL galaxies are moving away from each other thereby ignoring the collisions of galaxies they talk about in the same breath …. or is something else going on?

    Here is the first youtube on the subject I found. Must be a pure coincidence, the work of the Devil, that Neil De Grasse Tastes Good Tyson does NOT SAY all galaxies are moving apart from one another.

    What he says is “The distant galaxies are drifting away from one another.” See that little modifier: “distant.” So like a Theist to pick and choose what to quote and to get it wrong. To accurately quote the definition of a term and then go on to use a contradictory one.

    So like a Theist…….((ie—they are full of it.))

    Making everything about “MEEEEEEEEEeeeeeee”–this is why I hate posting on a public forum. People disagree with MEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeee. Why can’t I be treated as a god and simply have my asshole sucked?

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=CSvVM9SAZwY

    • deegee says:

      Your rambling has nothing to do with the subject of my post.
      You really need to get out more.

      • bobbo, are we Men of Science, or Devo says:

        The subject of your post is how much you disdain trying to support your beliefs.

        What did I get wrong?

  2. bobbo, are we Men of Science, or Devo says:

    Denying Gods omnifiscence thereby revealing his own philosophastry deegee says:
    6/21/2014 at 2:21 pm

    I’m supposed to focus, and you believe that God should have designed the universe to be without tsunamis or other “Acts of God” (Things that are naturally occurring scientific phenomenon). /// What UNholy blastopheres you grow. ((Yeah, I know…. reduced to my own word play.))

    (Which are not God’s “acts” at all, or are you saying that now you believe in God doing some stuff on earth? I call them “natural disasters”, maybe you are just trying to muddy the waters, or use inflammatory arguments). /// Dee Gee…. in refusing to accept simple truths, or at least the simple consequences of your own initial positions, I hope you damn your sould for all eternity, as well as lose the argument?

    Did god NOT create the Heaven and Earth just as it is? Glass Spheres overhead on which to attach the revolving sun across the 4 corners of this obviously flat earth?

    check it out—no religious person says god does not make (allow?) earthquakes. Why do you think its even called “An Act of god”—for Christs Sake?

    wrong evolves into stupid into psychotic denial all in one thread. How easily your faith is challenged. I’m embarrassed for you. Back to Sunday School.

    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

    Ok…

    I can easily answer that one, but I am no longer going to continue this discussion.
    You have repeatedly shown that you will never concede to any facts where you have been shown wrong in your posts (definition of riddle for one), and repeatedly shown that you will never concede to any valid points that do not fit your argument or personal viewpoint. /// ….. or just the opposite. TALK TO MEEEEEEEEeeeeeee DG, put the mirror down, and talk to MEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeee. Only by coincidence did I just previously thank Timmmmy for correcting me. Ha, ha. Must really suck to be you…… but in a state of denial….. you think shit is ice cream. Beyond my understanding.

    Good luck in life. //// Nothing for the after life? What a scrooge===there is room for all of us afterall or would that be another “natural act” having nothing to do with god?

    • bobbo, are we Men of Science, or Devo says:

      Correction: “I hope you DON’T damn your soul…..”

      I’m a bad typist.

    • deegee says:

      I honestly don’t care what anyone personally believes.
      Be free to be an atheist.
      The people of the world have been arguing this for much longer than I have been here, and they will continue to argue it long after I am gone.

      I am not an evangelist. I do not even classify myself as a “Christian”. It is only because I also have years of academic study in theology, ancient linguistics and archaeology, etc., that I am at times willing to discuss theological topics. Does that mean that my academia is always correct? Not at all. I’m only human.

      Read the scriptures.
      It tells you your answers.

      “Acts of God” and a perfect earth?
      The fall of man caused the original perfect design of the heavens and earth to be dramatically changed, physically changed, not metaphorically. Thorns, disease, hard work, disasters, …
      When all of this is finished, God will change it back to it’s original perfect design, what is here now will be changed to a new heaven and a new earth.
      See the books of Genesis and Revelations, and numerous other scriptures.

      It is up to you whether you wish to believe what it says, however, it does answer the question from a scriptural point of view.

      Regarding our definition of God and His personality traits, and why are we living in times where evil is abundant.
      God is: All Powerful, All Knowing, All Good.

      One person’s definition for each of these may vary from the next.

      Having those three traits does not mean that He is not also Just. In fact it would mean that He would have to also be All Just, perfectly Just.

      God states that if any person breaks any of His laws, then the penalty for that is separation from God.
      What does “separation” mean to you?

      Let the first among us who has not broken any law step forward. Have any of us never lied? Or stolen? Or cheated? Or gotten angry? Or hit someone? Or worse?

      No one stepping forward?
      No one?

      Epicurus et al want God to eradicate evil (which we brought on ourselves and many choose to do every day).
      But we are currently under penalty of separation for breaking the law, ALL of us, EVERY person.
      If God does not uphold the penalty given for breaking His law, then what would that say of His character?
      Is God wishy-washy? Is being wishy-washy still being All Powerful, All Knowing and All Good.

      Wishy washy:
      “Lacking in strength of character or purpose; ineffective; weak in willpower. ”

      I feel that too many people who don’t have the knowledge of God’s character from scripture, incorrectly believe that God is a big bully, because they believe that God is ignoring their cries for help, for which they believe that God somehow owes it to them to help them. And if God doesn’t answer them, then God doesn’t love them. I don’t fault anyone for feeling that, it’s just not a correct view of God according to scripture.

      Don’t expect God to simply come forward and rid our unlawful society of the evils that we have brought onto ourselves, simply because in our pride and narcissism we believe that we somehow deserve it, when not even one of us is blameless under the law, and being judged under the law has a penalty of separation from God.

      In God’s due time, final judgement for every person will come, some to eternal life, some to *poof* eternally gone.
      Those people who are doing the evil acts will get their day of judgement, God promises that.
      We are currently in the time of grace. God has given a very simple way out of that judgement for any person who chooses it (John 3:16). Note: but then anyone continuing to cultivate evil will be harshly judged.

      So, still mad at God for having to go through these times of tribulation?
      Really, what is suffering through a lifetime of tribulation versus the possibility of an eternity of peace? On a cosmological or eternal scale our lifetime is over in the blink of an eye.
      And in all honesty, just how bad off are most of us whiners right now anyway.

      Take from that what you will.
      All that I am posting is what the scriptures say. I didn’t write them.

    • deegee says:

      “The fall of man caused the original perfect design of the heavens and earth to be dramatically changed …”

      Let me clarify that.
      As part of our penalty and separation from God, the heavens and earth were changed by God, as a consequence to man’s fall.

      “I don’t fault anyone for feeling that.”

      To add further to this.
      The scriptures say that God has promised that those who go through this life of tribulation, and make it through judgement into eternal life, they will receive gifts of life and love and peace that will make this life of tribulation completely forgettable.

    • deegee says:

      And let me clarify this:

      “As part of our penalty and separation from God, the heavens and earth were changed by God, as a consequence to man’s fall.”

      In that: you break the law, you are separated from God, you no longer get to live in the original perfect world.

      I don’t mean it to convey: God is a meany and made everything crappy to live in so He doesn’t love us.

  3. bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

    dee gee, I’m impressed by how tightly wrapped up in your own dogma you are. It does take years of study. Study of one subject, to the exclusion of all else.

    Pros and Cons.

    I prefer responding to every point made so as to more likely avoid the misperception of any nuance that might be there… but in your silence, you have expressed too much. So I will pick 2-3 of the more salient statements. If I miss one of interest to you, post it.

    I lied:

    I honestly don’t care what anyone personally believes.
    Be free to be an atheist. /// No one has asked for or implied the need or desire for any permission from you.

    The people of the world have been arguing this for much longer than I have been here, and they will continue to argue it long after I am gone. /// Obvious to the point of being trite.

    I am not an evangelist. /// I agree. You have avoided that spear.

    I do not even classify myself as a “Christian”. /// Your orthodoxy in biblical inerrancy is totally Christian. Conservative. Only passivity will separate you from being a Jihadist.

    It is only because I also have years of academic study in theology, ancient linguistics and archaeology, etc., that I am at times willing to discuss theological topics. /// Your background does not provide motive or justification for your decision to post. That comes from something else.

    Does that mean that my academia is always correct? Not at all. I’m only human. /// I have yet to ascertain ANYTHING you have posted as correct, making you totally human….. of the silly type.

    Read the scriptures.
    It tells you your answers. /// What do conservative religious bible thumpers read and not understand? …. Not “my” question.

    “Acts of God” and a perfect earth?
    The fall of man caused the original perfect design of the heavens and earth to be dramatically changed, physically changed, not metaphorically. Thorns, disease, hard work, disasters, …
    When all of this is finished, God will change it back to it’s original perfect design, what is here now will be changed to a new heaven and a new earth.
    See the books of Genesis and Revelations, and numerous other scriptures. //// Irrelevant. God made the change from perfect to imperfect as you characterize it. The impossible illogical nature of YOUR god is simply demonstrated again. Your explanation provides none. Instead of studying theology, you ought to go to ToastMasters and learn how to construct a logical argument…. to debate on point?

    It is up to you whether you wish to believe what it says, however, it does answer the question from a scriptural point of view. //// Yeah—The Tower of Babble—everyone reading it coming away with a different understanding. Great Book.

    Regarding our definition of God and His personality traits, and why are we living in times where evil is abundant.
    God is: All Powerful, All Knowing, All Good. //// Yep. I say that is impossible. You double down on it. Every theologian “steeped” on this issue ((That I see on TV—smile!)) concludes that ultimately the nature of god is “a mystery.” Like everything else about god outside the dogmatic chants of those bound to the belief system.

    One person’s definition for each of these may vary from the next. /// Yes. I define all good as not allowing for natural disasters but would also have it encroach upon the free will of man. Why is our free will not totally satisfactorially expressed through the love of one another? Its our god given nature. But, god designed hoomans not to fly or breath underwater yet we see no limitation in that. Why not exercise our free will/choices within the context of love for one another? that would be a better more loving world.

    Having those three traits does not mean that He is not also Just. In fact it would mean that He would have to also be All Just, perfectly Just. /// Just adding to the stupidity of it all. A rock that “you” can’t lift.

    God states that if any person breaks any of His laws, then the penalty for that is separation from God.
    What does “separation” mean to you? /// The religious community trying to avoid the horrible meaning of a god that would throw his children into an eternal hell. Thats your Darwinian morality rejecting gods teachings.

    Let the first among us who has not broken any law step forward. Have any of us never lied? Or stolen? Or cheated? Or gotten angry? Or hit someone? Or worse? /// Sure. Thats fantastic feed back showing me how wrong it usually is to do those things.

    No one stepping forward?
    No one? /// I reject your premise, and step forward.

    Epicurus et al want God to eradicate evil (which we brought on ourselves and many choose to do every day). /// No he doesn’t. He just wants to resolve the impossible description of god held by most too conservative bible bound religious types.

    But we are currently under penalty of separation for breaking the law, ALL of us, EVERY person.
    If God does not uphold the penalty given for breaking His law, then what would that say of His character? /// That all along we humans have tried to control gods nature through our limited understanding of his omnifiscence would mean…. like ants contemplating humans. The distance is too great, but with the sin of pride…we write books and give sermons on it all while saying (ultimately) that it remains a mystery. Its all arrogance, hubris, the desire to control other people.

    Is God wishy-washy? Is being wishy-washy still being All Powerful, All Knowing and All Good. /// I don’t think God would be wishy washy although a few passages in the bible do make him look that way–the trials of job for instance.

    Wishy washy:
    “Lacking in strength of character or purpose; ineffective; weak in willpower. ” /// Yeah, I’d say it comes from fear of the unknown and not wanting to make a mistake.

    I feel that too many people who don’t have the knowledge of God’s character from scripture, incorrectly believe that God is a big bully, because they believe that God is ignoring their cries for help, for which they believe that God somehow owes it to them to help them. And if God doesn’t answer them, then God doesn’t love them. I don’t fault anyone for feeling that, it’s just not a correct view of God according to scripture. /// God is a bully because he visit eternal whatever it is for whatever transpired during a very short lifetime. Its disproportionate. A concept central to criminal justice.

    Don’t expect God to simply come forward and rid our unlawful society of the evils that we have brought onto ourselves, simply because in our pride and narcissism we believe that we somehow deserve it, when not even one of us is blameless under the law, and being judged under the law has a penalty of separation from God. /// There you go again==mixing the free will issue with the natural acts of god issue. God doesn’t exist. I don’t expect him to do anything.

    In God’s due time, final judgement for every person will come, some to eternal life, some to *poof* eternally gone. /// Love the way you “know” what god does.

    Those people who are doing the evil acts will get their day of judgement, God promises that. /// Lots of people read the bible and come to a different conclusion.

    We are currently in the time of grace. God has given a very simple way out of that judgement for any person who chooses it (John 3:16). Note: but then anyone continuing to cultivate evil will be harshly judged. /// derp.

    So, still mad at God for having to go through these times of tribulation? /// God doesn’t exist. I’m not mad at him.

    Really, what is suffering through a lifetime of tribulation versus the possibility of an eternity of peace? /// or a lifetime of evil all as determined by god versus an eternity of….. *poof.*

    On a cosmological or eternal scale our lifetime is over in the blink of an eye. /// Exactly so. God has nothing to judge except the consequences of his own decisions.

    And in all honesty, just how bad off are most of us whiners right now anyway. /// You, me, and Dupre? We got it pretty good. The other 95% of the world? Not so much. Our grandkiddies???? I do fear for them given the consequences of our own decisions.

    Take from that what you will.
    All that I am posting is what the scriptures say. I didn’t write them. /// Scriptures say whatever you cherry pick from them. Old/New testament conflict being the easiest to point out.

    Fail.

    • deegee says:

      I’m just telling you what the scriptures say.
      That is exactly what you asked me to do.
      Then you get all angry and confrontational over it.
      Nowhere did I say what I personally believed.
      Yet you deride and belittle me and act superior.
      When all that I did was give you the answer to what you asked.
      There is a name for people like that.

      “of a god that would throw his children into an eternal hell”

      There is no eternal hell.

      “I reject your premise, and step forward.”

      It must be nice to have never done anything wrong in your entire life.
      That must be why discussions with you are pointless, you are perfect in your own mind.

      Sorry, but I wouldn’t even want to have a scientific discussion with you, you are so far out there.

      • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

        deegee in a rolling revelation continues to show how much sand is in his feet of clay says:
        6/21/2014 at 5:38 pm

        I’m just telling you what the scriptures say. /// I don’t think the scriptures say that if you violate gods law you go poof. I think you got some HEAVY personal editing going on…. just as in your responses throughout this thread.

        That is exactly what you asked me to do. /// I never said or implied anything close to it. Prove me wrong: copy and paste what you take as such a request.

        Then you get all angry and confrontational over it. /// I’m not angry at god, and I’m not angry at you. Confrontational??? Broad enough term to include a simple disagreement I suppose. But to be fair, your failures as a scholar are so overwhelming you are getting a dose of that as well.

        Nowhere did I say what I personally believed. // BS. What have you posted that you don’t believe?

        Yet you deride and belittle me and act superior. /// Well–if you are posting what you don’t believe, wouldn’t that be a compliment to our in fact more harmonious consitutions?

        When all that I did was give you the answer to what you asked. /// Copy and paste please. What I think of an my request of you was to: resolve the Epicurus Conundrum===BY RECOGNIZING you don’t know the nature of god and therefore should STFU.

        There is a name for people like that. /// Ohhh, another mystery?

        “of a god that would throw his children into an eternal hell”

        There is no eternal hell. /// Uh…. thats about all some of those tv ministries talk about. I guess they read the bible wrong huh? A quick google reveals about 25 bible passages addressing hell such as: ” “Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. . . . And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.” ===>boogey, boogey!!!

        “I reject your premise, and step forward.”

        It must be nice to have never done anything wrong in your entire life. /// Dipshit===I said just the opposite. Can’t you read?

        That must be why discussions with you are pointless, you are perfect in your own mind. /// Ha, ha. “The Religious Mindset”–teetering between perfection and damnation…no shades inbetween.

        Sorry, but I wouldn’t even want to have a scientific discussion with you, you are so far out there. //// Why? Because you got Hubble’s discovery wrong? Even the tv version???

        Ha, ha. Silly Hooman.

  4. reader says:

    BARTILLA, IRAQ—The Christians of Bartilla are wondering if these are the final days. Since the second century and the origins of Christianity in the Nineveh plains of northern Iraq, they have been unfortunate in their neighbors, suffering attacks and massacres at the hands of Persians, Iraqi Muslims and Kurds. And if geography is destiny, then it is surprising they are still here, but for how much longer they aren’t sure.
    http://thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/22/the-tragic-exodus-of-iraq-s-christians.html

    Survived since second century. Now with terrorists armed with modern weapons and a failed government they are history. Hey, you got to admit it was a long run.

    • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist still in awe of the wonderment of it all says:

      As the world fills up with hoomans, any and all minorities of whatever description will be killed or assimilated into the larger mono culture.

      Its a statistical thing.

  5. Prosecute Obozo and Holder for high crimes and aiding materially terroists says:

    Atheism’s belief there is no God, requires the Atheist to be God’s equal, omniscient. Therefore God Himself.

    Hence Atheism is logically self-contradictory, so irrational.

    And it is amusing to watch Atheist blowhards wax bold about what they cannot possibly know, with such [U]religious zeal.[/U]

    However, contradicting all their arguments is the simple fact, our reality is a matrix according to particle physics—particles are intrinsically massless. That is another way of saying they are virtual.

    Also:

    According to scripture—our matrix is generated by the infinite mind of the Eternal Son of God, God the Word (John 1:1ff):

    And He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. (Col 1:17 NAS)

    [B]So the very nature of reality, requires God exist to hold it all together.[/B]

    No God, no holding together.

  6. Max says:

    Where is the Audience?

  7. reader says:

    “Kass has a problem not just with longevity and health but with the modern conception of freedom. There is a “mortal danger,” he writes, in the notion “that a person has a right over his body, a right that allows him to do whatever he wants to do with it.” He is troubled by cosmetic surgery, by gender reassignment, and by women who postpone motherhood or choose to remain single in their twenties. Sometimes his fixation on dignity takes him right off the deep end:

    Worst of all from this point of view are those more uncivilized forms of eating, like licking an ice cream cone–a catlike activity that has been made acceptable in informal America but that still offends those who know eating in public is offensive. … Eating on the street–even when undertaken, say, because one is between appointments and has no other time to eat–displays [a] lack of self-control: It beckons enslavement to the belly. … Lacking utensils for cutting and lifting to mouth, he will often be seen using his teeth for tearing off chewable portions, just like any animal. … This doglike feeding, if one must engage in it, ought to be kept from public view, where, even if we feel no shame, others are compelled to witness our shameful behavior.

    And, in 2001, this man, whose pro-death, anti-freedom views put him well outside the American mainstream, became the President’s adviser on bioethics–a position from which he convinced the president to outlaw federally funded research that used new stem-cell lines. In his speech announcing the stem-cell policy, Bush invited Kass to form the Council.”
    http://pinker.wjh.harvard.edu/articles/media/The%20Stupidity%20of%20Dignity.htm

    They funded the pro-death anti-freedom agenda and you ended up with Iraq as the model country for the new order.

  8. reader says:

    Nudist Claims Catholic Saint Francis Embraced Body Freedom, Plans Naked March To Religious Shrine. By Brandon Mercer June 19, 2014 … http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2014/06/19/nudist-claims-catholic-saint-embraced-body-freedom-plans-naked-march-to-religious-shrine/

    Clothes make the man and the pope came out against made men. Death to the dresses. You were born naked because God wanted it that way.

  9. bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist still in awe of the wonderment of it all says:

    Holy Crap Alfie, profound construction regardless of his own abysmal ignorance says:
    6/22/2014 at 3:46 am

    Atheism’s belief there is no God, requires the Atheist to be God’s equal, omniscient. Therefore God Himself. ///// Ha, ha. While I REJECT your constant drone that Atheists are irrantional BECAUSE they are religious in their beliefs, since YOU equate this ignorant state of being with Our Lord, let me underline your salient positions…………….WHeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

    Hence Atheism is logically self-contradictory, so irrational. /// If atheists are “like god” how then is this not a description of the god you worship but can’t explain?

    And it is amusing to watch Atheist blowhards wax bold about what they cannot possibly know, with such [U]religious zeal.[/U] //// Exactly. Epicurus Conundrum and all. So religious. One basic tenet of the “most” sophisticated is that God is a mystery, that we cannot know his mind===and then the onslaught of what he wants spills forth.

    However, contradicting all their arguments is the simple fact, our reality is a matrix according to particle physics—particles are intrinsically massless. That is another way of saying they are virtual. /// Then why do the Catholics have mass?

    Also:

    According to scripture—our matrix is generated by the infinite mind of the Eternal Son of God, God the Word (John 1:1ff):

    And He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. (Col 1:17 NAS) //// Like dried jizz on a Blue Dress?

    [B]So the very nature of reality, requires God exist to hold it all together.[/B]/// Well, in a multiverse, god could well be playing by different rules according to his nature…. although in final analysis, god must stand outside his own nature too.

    No God, no holding together. /// What god does by his will says nothing about what nature without god would be. You ass sume too much.

    Reply /// I’m kinda embarassed that I did. Forgive me Bezzlebub.

    • Steven Pinker says:

      “…Like dried jizz on a Blue Dress?”

      as if

      • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist still in awe of the wonderment of it all says:

        Ah…4 Tits…..you know me too well.

        Taking my lords name in vain. (sic)

        Well done.

        Note: As an antitheist, No “one” is a god to me…. I only conflated Pinkers area of expertise (linguistics) as indeed linguistics is how we come to know the universe: we give it names…. ie: words.

        ………..and thats how we come to think…. which is our highest calling as human beings.

        Try it.

        • Tim says:

          I think those are toes. They could be hiding tits but, to me, it looks like some little ‘…shna’ type character; deep in thought and purple because…….. deep in thought..

    • A Golden Parachute for Obozo, maybe he'll go! says:

      The same argument cannot be used against Bible believers, as the book itself is the perfect empiracle experiment proving it is of divine origin.

      Its not one book, but 66 books written over 1,500 year time span on three different continents in multiple languages by a diverse range of people, from Kings to shepherds. And against probability, it speaks on dozens of controversial subjects, with one voice. Also some of these controversies are discussed from different perspectives, so the entire is akin to a picture puzzle that assembled, present the entire picture impossible considering the total lack of collaboration by the authors.

      So the Bible is a divine book. That proves two things, one it can be trusted when it says there is a God, and there must be a God for the Bible exists:

      Of course, that will go most heads here:

      The fool has said in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, They have done abominable works, There is none who does good. (Psa 14:1 NKJ)

      You folks claim to believe in reality, yet refuse the most basic fact of our reality, its intrinsically massless.

      Every premise of Atheism then, is suspect, none of the supposed immutable laws of physics, actually work at the micro level.

      Poof goes your Atheism, clearly only infinite God could hold everything together. Otherwise, the like charges would repel and everything would be loosed in ‘fervent heat’ which is how God will recreate all things:

      looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat? (2Pe 3:12 NKJ)

      • Tim says:

        It is quite the little page turner if one skips over all the superimposed jewish preroll…

      • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist still in awe of the wonderment of it all says:

        Alfie, can you send me the coder needed to use the Bible to make money in the Stock Market? Of Course, I will reverse tithe and give 90% of the profits to the poorest people on earth, the most destitute, the most bereft of resources.

        What is your address?

      • So What? says:

        Jesus alfie (no pun intended) how can you expect someone to take you seriously when you say something like

        “The same argument cannot be used against Bible believers, as the book itself is the perfect empiracle experiment proving it is of divine origin.”

        You can’t even spell empirical let alone meet the definition of it.

    • Tim says:

      “”Then why do the Catholics have mass?

      Again; As they point out, Colossians 1:17 lends an accredited, underwritten scientist to conclude that it is because they are full of Him.

      “”Alternatively, if a particle interacts significantly with the Higgs field, it will have a higher mass.

      “”Nicknamed the God particle, the subatomic Higgs helps explain why much of the mass in the universe exists.

      http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/06/140623-higgs-boson-large-hadron-collider-science-lhc/

  10. Prosecute Obozo and Holder, for high crimes and misdemeanors says:

    http://telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/10916086/The-scandal-of-fiddled-global-warming-data.html

    The same fraud used against God, is replicated by climate change crowd, funded by ME and Russia oil interests, and environmental loons, among other Marxists.

    But God deniers never really cared about facts and reality, they think to escape judgment for their perversions.

    Like global warming, that too is a fantasy.

    • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist still in awe of the wonderment of it all says:

      You know Alfie, you raise very disturbing issues. This Global Warming Cabal trying to take down Jesus H Christ sounds like the same group that might be behind the trans-fat conspiracy.

      Perhaps we should raise the Global Threat Level to Orange?

      • Tim says:

        Ohh — Poke poke poke.

        ‘”Any theory needing to rely so consistently on fudging the evidence, I concluded, must be looked on not as science at all, but as simply a rather alarming case study in the aberrations of group psychology.

        http://telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/10916086/The-scandal-of-fiddled-global-warming-data.html

        • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist still in awe of the wonderment of it all says:

          Timmmy—you don’t strike me as a buffoon like Alfie, a paid shill like Lyin’ MikeY, or a right wing nut like Douche Anus, why the rejection of AGW?

          If you pump trillions of tons of CO2 into the air….. what do you say is going to happen…… eventually?

          The internets is like the bible: you can find language to support any frickin position you want to. So…you are not “researching” the issue and finding your link, you have ALREADY MADE UP YOUR POSITION, and are cherry picking the tubes to find the turds you like.

          Why?

          • Tim says:

            It’s my worldview, bobbo. For instance: I’ve been predicting since the late ’80s that once a co2 tax, a tax on life, is imposed then we’d be allowed cannabis again.

            If it is government pushing it then it is bullshit. Fretting over co2 at it’s current rate of change is bullshit especially when there are so many agregeous and insideous chemicals being sprayed upon every square inch of us otherwise.

            This is corporate fascism and anything they push is bullshit {unless you’re a corporate fascist, then you’ve already fucked yourself up beyond all recognition, anyways} that doesn’t smell any nicer nor look less like obama after being incrementally evenly subdivided and stuffed away in brightly colored, faux fungible, fidelity free, intellectually immutable, ass-polyp fuckbags.

          • Tim says:

            p.s. I am a libertarian leaning right wing nut like Douche Anus.

          • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist still in awe of the wonderment of it all says:

            Tim says:
            6/23/2014 at 5:03 am

            It’s my worldview, bobbo. For instance: I’ve been predicting since the late ’80s that once a co2 tax, a tax on life, is imposed then we’d be allowed cannabis again. /// I don’t think a “world view” applies to matters of causation. Matters of response and social policy?==Sure. Looks like another example of conflation to me.

            If it is government pushing it then it is bullshit. /// Well…. thats the MAIN PROBLEM right now==>the gubment is not pushing it but in its own World View ignoring the biggest man caused threat to our existence yet.

            Fretting over co2 at it’s current rate of change is bullshit especially when there are so many agregeous and insideous chemicals being sprayed upon every square inch of us otherwise. /// Total confusion/mish mash of the issues. The slow rate of change that will be even slower to correct is much of the issue and what makes it so dangerous. Insidious chems being sprayed on us is only an ADDITIONAL issue, not one of balance or offset.

            This is corporate fascism and anything they push is bullshit {unless you’re a corporate fascist, /// the fascism being pushed is the avoidance of responsibility for carbon polition.

            then you’ve already fucked yourself up beyond all recognition, anyways} that doesn’t smell any nicer nor look less like obama after being incrementally evenly subdivided and stuffed away in brightly colored, faux fungible, fidelity free, intellectually immutable, ass-polyp fuckbags. /// Gibberish but to the point you don’t like Obama? Again….irrelevant to the scientific question and answer as to what is happening NOW as we poison ourselves.

            Tim says:
            6/23/2014 at 5:18 am

            p.s. I am a libertarian leaning right wing nut like Douche Anus. /// Yeah, I agree…. “like” Douche but not exactly. You are a tad brighter. Word play encourages and reveals that.

            Oh, that we could all be assigned to the worlds we wish upon ourselves.

          • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist still in awe of the wonderment of it all says:

            …… and thanks for the response.

            Good to touch base at least once? (a year??)

          • Tim says:

            “”you have ALREADY MADE UP YOUR POSITION…Why?

            Because the policy is preordained. It does not matter one whit what co2 does to the atmosphere, the policy condems millions regardless.

            Haven’t you ever sat back and watched someone ruin a thing with a proceedure or method that you just knew to be incorrect; That you knew the outcome from the beginning but were powerless to stop it — ‘cleaning’ the plastic monitor with windex, for instance??

            Now, I sit back and watch this control structure {that’s all it is bobbo, just another control structure} be parroted out onto the people knowing {call me an has-been imaginative futurist} what tears it leads to from the beginning and bitter that it splashes all over me.

            It’s funny now — to see the ‘solution’ be these efficient, compact cities when the root of the problem was concentrating people into cities in the first place — a stated goal of Dupont. People are naturally not liking ‘on the grid’. Left to their own devices; clean, silent, efficient energy solutions would have been born out. That will not be tolerated as individual empowerment is anathama to ‘government’ and, apparently, to those who feel the need to unabashadly pimp for them with little more background than a gradeschool coloring book depicting drowning polar bears and penguins with laserbeams on their heads.

      • Will Obozo's Executive Order allow Bobbozo to be buried with him at Arlington? says:

        There you go again, ignoring the facts and resorting to ad hominem.

        I’m not surprised.

        Except at the brevity of your post, usually one must wade through reams of text, in vain pursuit of a point.

        The light must be growing dim in momma’s basement.

        • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist still in awe of the wonderment of it all says:

          Thats the VERY effect of trans fat hydrogenated global warming fueled conspiracies against our Lord and all that is Holy.

          I’m glad we are finally on the same side.

          …… OMG===Its flashing ORANGE!!!!!!!!

          Run for the Hills, and don’t forget the Tang.

  11. bobbo, we think with words, and flower with ideas says:

    Timmy you are demonstrating was I supposed 6 months back: you don’t like the public policy suggestions to cure co2 pollution so you are attacking the science trying to nip the issue in the bud. But the science is an independent fact. Its just bad thinking to confuse “whatever” the science is of AGW with whatever the political response might be. Surely you see that?

    ”you have ALREADY MADE UP YOUR POSITION…Why?

    Because the policy is preordained. /// How so? The policy for the last 100 years has been for big coal and oil to pollute as they see fit without charge or even criticism. As you noted, the changes are slow, but they are with us now.

    It does not matter one whit what co2 does to the atmosphere, /// of course it does. Pros and Cons to all we do, don’t do, and all points inbetween.

    the policy condems millions regardless. /// No….. its the AGW that is going to condemn people. “If we are smart” and act to curb its worst effects, it will be millions of people who escape the condemnation. You got things totally backwards.

    Haven’t you ever sat back and watched someone ruin a thing with a proceedure or method that you just knew to be incorrect; That you knew the outcome from the beginning but were powerless to stop it — ‘cleaning’ the plastic monitor with windex, for instance?? /// Of course==and the argument I make is don’t use the windex because it will ruin the plastic. I don’t say: Don’t use the Windex because it makes no difference. Windex either ruins plastic or it doesn’t. AGW either destroys our environment for advanced human culture, or it doesn’t.

    Now, I sit back and watch this control structure {that’s all it is bobbo, just another control structure} be parroted out onto the people knowing {call me an has-been imaginative futurist} what tears it leads to from the beginning and bitter that it splashes all over me. /// WHAT control structure? There isn’t any… thats the whole point. We are RIGHT NOW drowning in rises heat levels, ocean levels, etc…. the whole list. THAT is what is splashing on you.

    It’s funny now — to see the ‘solution’ be these efficient, compact cities when the root of the problem was concentrating people into cities in the first place — a stated goal of Dupont. People are naturally not liking ‘on the grid’. //// Lots of people like city life, lots like the country. I like both so live in the next farthest out suburb. The “root” of the problem is allocation of jobs and resources and a whole host of other issues. Thing is–city or country doesn’t matter because the pollution hits everyone the same, just as will the solutions. (sic–don’t quibble)

    Left to their own devices; clean, silent, efficient energy solutions would have been born out. /// Coal and oil burning is increasing. I can’t even imagine what the heck you are talking about.

    That will not be tolerated as individual empowerment is anathama to ‘government’ and, apparently, to those who feel the need to unabashadly pimp for them with little more background than a gradeschool coloring book depicting drowning polar bears and penguins with laserbeams on their heads. /// There is no individual empowerment when you are 6 feet underwater and the ocean food chain has collapsed.

    Take off the crazy glasses.

    • Tim says:

      sea level pro’lly gonna go up real quick like —

      http://techtimes.com/articles/8278/20140610/underwater-volcanoes-climate-change-reason-melting-west-antarctic-ice.htm

      things that make you go hmmm…

      mind the penguins

      • bobbo, are we Men of Science, or Devo says:

        I’m sure thats it as pumping trillions of tons of co2 into the air shouldn’t have any adverse effects at all.

        You are arguing like a theist now. Never in response to what you are challenged with but rather change the subject or repeat your mantra.

        ………………..I don’t know………………..
        ……………….You don’t know…………………..

        So… I trust the majority scientific position on the subject and will change my position when/if they do.

        its the best bet.

  12. reader says:

    Electricity is just organized lightning.

    “The triviality of [the] copyright [battles] tell you that when
    other sectors of the economy start to evince concerns about
    the Internet and the PC, that copyright will be revealed for
    a minor skirmish, and not a war. Why would other sectors nurse
    grudges against computers? Well, because the world we live
    in today is made of computers. We don’t have cars anymore,
    we have computers we ride in; we don’t have airplanes anymore,
    we have flying Solaris boxes with a big bucketful of SCADA
    controllers; a 3D printer is not a device, it’s a peripheral,
    and it only works connected to a computer; a radio is no longer
    a crystal, it’s a general-purpose computer with a fast ADC and
    a fast DAC and some software.”

    With the interstate closed it’s a good thing we don’t need cars now.

    “The essence of discipline is finding effective alternatives to punishment.

    To punish a child is to enrage him and make him uneducable. He becomes a hostage of hostility. A captive of rancor. A prisoner of vengeance.” http://eqi.org/ginott.htm

    They don’t have much discipline.