Once upon a time, a scientist named Dr. Andrew Wakefield published in the medical journal The Lancet that he had discovered a link between autism and vaccines. After years of controversy and making parents mistrust vaccines, along with collecting $674,000 from lawyers who would benefit from suing vaccine makers, it was discovered he had made the whole thing up. The Lancet publicly apologized and reported that further investigation led to the discovery that he had fabricated everything.



  1. pedro says:

    Please file under the “well, d-uh!” Dept.

    Not to mention, took you guys your sweet time to notice

  2. Don Moore says:

    So, injecting mercury into small bodies is ok?

    • pedro says:

      Ugh, another layman believing he’s an expert even after the oil snake salesman came out saying he was selling hot air.

      I would suggest you keep believing the ruse that guy made to make easy money. Who knows, you either remove yourself and your descendants from the gene pool or you get into the gravy train, depending on your level of gullibility.

      • Where is the evidence that Dr. Andrew Wakefield confessed to deceit? I still believe him.

        • It’s not so much that Wakefield ever confessed, but that his work has been thoroughly discredited. Not only were significant aspects of his methodology called into question and his results can’t be replicated using proper controls, but financial conflicts of interest that he did not disclose at the time of his “study” have since come to light as well. For instance, part of the costs of Dr. Wakefield’s research were apparently paid by lawyers for parents seeking to sue vaccine makers for damages. Dr. Wakefield was also found to have patented a measles vaccine that would succeed if the combined MMR vaccine were withdrawn or discredited.

          Of course, to people who are convinced that vaccines cause autism, discrediting the guy who started their religion is just more persecution to overcome. Some people just love to feel persecuted because that’s how they know they must be right. Oy vey!

        • pedro says:

          Are you Uruguayan? Because you have the same denial they have about that Uruguayan soccer player bit the Italian on TV and after the guy himself finally accepted he bit the Italian.

          • Tim says:

            That guy was just innoculating the other team. Presumably, so that they would get autism and focus more intensely on not winning as much anymore.

          • pedro says:

            Good one Tim

          • Tim says:

            I’m still waiting to get banned for being ‘glib’.

          • ± says:

            They won’t ban bobbo = they won’t ban you.

          • pedro says:

            1) Who’s talking about bobbo here?

            2)Who’s asking to ban bobbo?

          • ± says:

            I see you didn’t follow that I was using the common practice on this board (as I am now) of ignoring the idiotic restriction of only four posts deep to reply to the immediate preceding post in the same level.

    • pedro says:

      Here’s something sp you can go to a mental anaphylactic shock http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/01/27/mercury-in-vaccines-was-replaced-with-something-even-more-toxic.aspx

      I’m sure that one is true

    • pedro says:

      On a related note about toxic substances, particularly metals, don’t eat salt. Sodium explodes when exposed to water.

  3. McCullough says:

    I never saw a kid this happy to take a shot.

    • pedro says:

      Well, to be fair, is half bamboozled half taken by surprise. Give it a few seconds after the shot for reality to set in for the baby

    • Tim says:

      That is pretty ‘glib’, is it not? I’m pretty sure it has been scytifically proven that kids know they are masochists or not by the age of two. ..

    • Perhaps the photo depicts a young John Mellencamp, first formulating thoughts that will later be expressed in “Hurts So Good” :)

      In any case, like the purely anecdotal evidence that vaccines cause autism, the photo provides similarly strong evidence that babies enjoy needle vaccinations.

      • Tim says:

        I think the kid was screaming his bloody head off at this point and the above is a Gimp/ photoshop job.

  4. RE@DER says:

    An Indianapolis, Indiana man pleaded guilty June 25 to defrauding 5,000 investors from 50 countries by running a fake credit union, costing investors around $15 million. – Associated Press

    June 24, Nashville Tennessean – (National) S.C. lawyer charged in Springfield insurance fraud case. A Blythewood, South Carolina lawyer was charged June 24 for allegedly aiding other defendants in a $28 million fraud scheme that sold fake health insurance policies to over 17,000 people across the country.

    Fifteen California medical professionals were charged in a $25 million scheme involving a firm that hired pharmacists to produce a pain-relief cream and gave kickbacks to doctors and chiropractors to prescribe it and submit phony claims from October 2009 to January 2013. – Associated Press

    June 24, Associated Press – (Iowa) Researcher charged in major HIV vaccine fraud case. Federal prosecutors charged a former Iowa State University laboratory manager after he confessed to skewing results of an experimental HIV vaccine by spiking rabbit blood samples with human antibodies to appear more successful.

    I don’t want any.

  5. RE@DER says:

    Deleted: Violation of posting guidelines

    http://dvorak.org/blog/misc/commentguidelines.html

    [You need to stay on topic and summarize, long off topic rants are a violation and will get you banned - ed.]

  6. RE@DER says:

    Deleted – see above.

  7. Brain DEAD! says:

    So, do you think anyone is going to pay for DAMAGES?!

    … Not the damages this kind of thing actually did to the health of any human beings since we all know how lawyers – like those in public office – could care less about human suffering unless there’s a way to profit from it. I’m talking about the damages this fake immunization did where, for example, the very needles that were used were NOT available for more legitimate uses. Or how about the resources that were employed to make the fake vaccine that were not available for people needing simple flu shots? Because something tells me NO ONE is even looking at the repercussions this “doctor” caused — including our elected a-holes!

  8. Love Deluxe says:

    Aluminium being a neurotoxin would explain a lot, but this kind of thing casts a lot of doubt on The Lancet’s credibility.

    Not that I’ve ever cared for doctors anyway–bunch of sociopathic human garbage who think the power to save a life makes them God, thereby allowing them to force their morality on their patients.

    Then again, we use vaccines too much anyway. It doesn’t make the population healthier or improve the average person’s quality of life–all it does is let employers allot people fewer sick days. It’s not as bad as the rampant overprescription of antibiotics, but it’s still bad. And hopefully, this will make people stop getting mad about fiction and start getting mad about reality.

    Or they’ll just go back to flipping their shit about comic book characters having unrealistic bodytypes.

    • dusanmal says:

      It is worse than antibiotics, it just didn’t have equal period of inflicting damage. Example, measles vaccine. Effective enough for medical community and governmental purposes (herd immunity better on large scale, little need for doctors to treat measles vs. widespread measles). Not perfectly effective, in 90% range. You can be vaccinated and get measles. Natural immunity for measles is 100%. Not a case ever recorded of a “second” infection. Hence, our collective vaccinated immune systems are less capable than would be immune systems of a collective who got exposed to measles naturally. Latter be symbolically represented by European explorers of North America and former of a native NA population at the time…
      We sacrifice immune real system training for reducing workload diseases would have on medical community and government. It will come back to bite us.

      • Love Deluxe says:

        That’s true, but it doesn’t create superbugs or destroy your intestinal flora like antibiotics–and if you get measles anyway at some point, you’ll still get that natural immunity.

        It’s also important to note that some diseases are more dangerous than others. Personally, I’m perfectly okay with vaccinating people against things like polio or tetanus, because when they aren’t fatal they can still completely destroy someone’s quality of life. As for diseases that are just annoying, such as measles: Forget it. Just let people take a few days off to recuperate.

  9. NewFormatSux says:

    So will Robert Kennedy Jr apologize now?

  10. bobbo, are we Men of Science, or Devo says:

    Doesn’t say much for the “quality” of peer review at the Lancet does it.

    Quick google shows what they supposedly do “now”–I wonder what standards applied in 1998, should have been the same??
    http://thelancet.com/lancet-information-for-authors/how-the-lancet-handles-your-paper

    But hey–sexy new idea sells copy. Not supposed to be an issue in a professional journal, but there ya go.

    I must admit I had the opinion that “perhaps” vaccinations caused some autism but did much more good by preventing disease…so… roll your own and take your chances.

    That is the GREAT THING about science….. it makes mistakes, but corrects. Overcomes fraud, corruption, vested interests….. just about everything except religion.

    Ain’t that a kick in the head?

    Speaking of which==thank you for restricting Reader. And if you do wind up having to ban him….. do it initially for a limited time period? A week, then maybe a month…… you know…. get his attention, don’t just exercise your power because you can.

    Does show there is a good (my?) way to hijack a forum, and a bad way. All a matter of degree?….. but I observed what I would call a difference in kind. Of course, I’m biased.

    “…♫… Kombaya my Friends, Kombaya!!….♫”

    • McCullough says:

      “Does show there is a good (my?) way to hijack a forum, and a bad way.”

      Um, no. I have had serious doubts about your way as well. But, you have improved…somewhat.

      • bobbo, are we Men of Science, or Devo says:

        “Don’t compare me to perfection…. only to the alternative!”

        Only your soul is at risk.

        Yea, verily!

        • Tim says:

          Would you, bobbo, be willing to lay down your life and push through your only soul via Re@der’s toothy, blue-ass 1394 port?

          just to help out a fledgeling {damn, i had some good allituration here but i’m not feeling particularly mean today} being. You know.

          and after your done shoving it up his 3.3v bus, then don’t forget to end the stream with /sarc/, just for future sanity/continuity of the unlikely and unwieldy integration once the incipient ditheritant blather starts to set in…

          carry on.

          • bobbo, are we Men of Science, or Devo says:

            No.

            When I use alliteration usually it is to pleasure myself. Never thought of it as being mean to anyone………….Hmmmm…. otoh…. yeah, I could bend it to such evil ends.

            Few people realize how happy and playful I am. I stopped wondering why.

            Silly Hoomans. (ha, ha!)

  11. RE@DER says:

    The Supreme Court’s 6-2 ruling upholds a federal law that offers compensation to victims of side effects from vaccines and prohibits lawsuits.
    February 22, 2011
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    Supreme Court shields vaccine makers from lawsuits
    The Supreme Court’s 6-2 ruling upholds a federal law that offers compensation to victims of side effects from vaccines and prohibits lawsuits.
    February 22, 2011|By David G. Savage

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    WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court on Tuesday shielded the nation’s vaccine makers from being sued by parents who say their children suffered severe side effects from the drugs.

    By a 6-2 vote, the court upheld a federal law that offers compensation to these victims but closes the courthouse door to lawsuits.

    Justice Antonin Scalia said the high court majority agreed with Congress that these side effects were “unavoidable” when a vaccine is given to millions of children. If the drug makers could be sued and forced to pay huge claims for devastating injuries, the vaccine industry could be wiped out, he said.
    http://articles.latimes.com/2011/feb/22/news/sc-dc-0223-court-vaccines-20110223

    You have no rights. Like Carlin said, you have owners and they threw you overboard 30 years ago. They want people just smart enough to run all the machines and too stupid to know how bad they are being screwed.

  12. RE@DER says:

    Smug, greedy, well-fed white people have invented a language to conceal their sins. It’s as simple as that. The CIA doesn’t kill anybody anymore, they neutralize people, or they depopulate the area. The government doesn’t lie, it engages in disinformation. The Pentagon actually measures nuclear radiation in something they call sunshine units. Contra killers are called freedom fighters. Well, if crime fighters fight crime, and firefighters fight fires, what do freedom fighters fight? https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/George_Carlin
    What we need is a new word for it…you weren’t vaccinated you were? It’s as simple as that.

  13. dade0 says:

    I did not know that science could be manipulated so! Good thing NASA is sending the new CO2 detection satellite up – [link] so Gore can have his million$ in cap profits validated.

    • bobbo, are we Men of Science, or Devo says:

      Link doesn’t work.

      Science can’t be manipulated. “It’s people!”

      • Tim says:

        I think he was trying to point out that the new show OCO, which is kind of like Carbon Train but out in space with a new and exiting episode every week, won’t be airing on-time.

        http://nasa.gov/mission_pages/oco/main/index.html#.U7Li22Ulmmw

        • bobbo, are we Men of Science, or Devo says:

          “The launch of a United Launch Alliance Delta II carrying NASA’s Orbiting Carbon Observatory-2 (OCO-2) satellite was scrubbed today due to an issue with the water suppression system that is used to flow water on the launch pad to dampen the acoustic energy during launch. ” //// I always thought that was to keep the launch pad from bursting into flame? Amusing as wifey throws her beer in my face for the same reason. Who knew it was rocket science?

          • So wifey was using the liquid beer to dampen the excess acoustical energy emanating from your facial area? If only there were a way we could occasionally throw beer on your keyboard area, for roughly the same reason.

            Sometimes less is more. Less writing, more impact.

          • Tim says:

            *scrubbed* — it probably had refugee tourists climbing all over it.

            The ‘accoustic energy’ thing is probably so they don’t blow their eardrums and not hear ‘leave on for 23 minutes before rinsing’ instructions on the scabies and krockodile kits — this is a good thing… saves the taxpayer money and keeps airbnb participants bedbug free…

          • bobbo, are we Men of Science, or Devo says:

            Oh Gary!!! That is so hurtful, and you didn’t even alliterate. Like salt in an open wound your harsh words are.

            I pass gas in your general direction.

          • Tim says:

            I think I got strep A from scratching a mosquito bite in my sleep that i got from trying to turn off the stupid sprinklers that had been hit by lightning after sweatyplanting apple trees all day from the last storm… it’s all because att uverse sux.

            note to self: don’t visit Re@tardeders links…just sauomomg

  14. NewFormatSux says:

    The medical field was supposed to be better. Double blind drug testing for example. In climate science, manipulating peer review to produce preferred results is routine. Hockey stick was shown to be made with upside-down graphs, and it still gets cited in the latest IPCC report.

  15. McCullough says:

    “But….. my common sense tells me the ocean is rising in your Garden of Eden.”

    No, sorry, none. The high tide mark is exactly the same as 24 years ago when I first moved there. The docks haven’t been raised, etc.

    Just hasn’t happened, no matter how much you wish it to be true.

    • bobbo, are we Men of Science, or Devo says:

      I believe you, and wish the same for all other good people on earth. So……… if sea level is going up all over the earth, and your distance from sea level is constant for the past 24 years, then…… that part of the ocean floor must be rising? A logical certainty?—or the oceans aren’t the same elevation all over the world which I have read and thought I didn’t understand.

      …………… or someone is playing games with the measuring stick?

      My google on the Caribbean so far as only shown what is predicted to happen in the future. I’m looking for actual measurements. Then…. who to believe? The general statement or your observation of one stick? You know if your water meter is on a floating barge, it will always show sea level at the same location. Sure it wasn’t a draft mark?

      ((I kid!))

      • McCullough says:

        The ferry docks dont float and were there long before me, its as good of a measuring stick as any.

        The only time I notice a sea level change is when Carnival Cruise Lines offloads a boat-full of Fat-ass American tourists to the beaches.

        Har.

    • bobbo, are we Men of Science, or Devo says:

      “Sea level rise is one of the most blatant and intrusive indicators of global warming. On the Caribbean island of Grenada, the ocean is already starting to nibble away at fishing villages, rising higher and forcing residents to raise their homes. Grenada is just one place where sea level rise is a threat to the local economy.” /// So…. you don’t live on Grenada. I assume the sea level averages out across the Caribbean? I’d bet Timmy’s left nut that you are experience some kind of observational error. What “exactly” are you observing?

      http://catholic.org/news/green/story.php?id=50863

      • Tim says:

        Silly bobbo. You are discounting the fact that islands float. One fatass american raises the whole pangea —

        http://youtube.com/watch?v=cesSRfXqS1Q

        • McCullough says:

          You laugh but once a tourist asked me how they kept the islands from moving around.

          • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

            Not much different than saying the sea level is not rising.

            You look with your eyes and you see islands floating around. Natural to wonder why they don’t move around. They do….. but its too slow to observe.

            You look with your eyes and you see the high tide mark has not changed. Natural to think the average sea level is not changing. It is…. but its too slow to observe.

          • Tim says:

            Well, if it is a very tinsy tiny island like with one palm tree and a couple gift shops on it then that’s not so much of a conundrum.

            Those islands literally ‘grow’ as sea level goes up {base of living coral — even coral we turned to melted, radioactive coral long ago}.

            http://spiegel.de/international/world/not-so-much-trouble-in-paradise-are-coral-islands-really-doomed-a-707884.html

          • bobbo, are we Men of Science, or Devo says:

            Thats not how it works. Ought to confuse quite a good number of folks though.

            I like it.

          • Tim says:

            Yea hu. It’s like billions of tiny Atlases lifting the atoll high; fueled by dreaming aspirations of their progeny standing on their shoulders to one day jam it up the moon’s darkside.

            If coral didn’t have to spend all it’s time evolving to tides, it could have been a contender…. you there! over there by the shoe, did you just shrug out of time, private??!!

          • Tim says:

            “”Not much different than saying the sea level is not rising.

            Somehow, bobbo; It do feel just a little bit different — a common factor being one of preconcieved perseption.

            I wholly expect large islands to ‘abruptly’ move around in the future. I hope to found one… made out of an auctioned off barge and hemp, initially; The island grows as hemp ballootebags become more available — dirt is ‘grown’ by fatass americans who saw a filmcrew, swam up there, got a sunburn, ate jellyfish flesh to save Japan, and died.

            some of them just had heart attacks when they saw the Waterworld masks.

            Sometimes, we just trawl for kelp.

      • pedro says:

        Bobbo is happy. He found another hockey stick sources to deny reality. What a remarkable liberul

    • NewFormatSux says:

      They adjust the sea level charts. The ocean floor is dropping. So without global warming the sea level would be lower.

  16. bobbo, are we Men of Science, or Devo says:

    Sea level “in the Caribbean” has been going up 3.1mm/year over the past few. Times 24 years would be about 2.5 inches.

    http://intasave-caribsave.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2013/10/Full-Report-Jan-2011-Final-sml.pdf ((page 55 at top))

    Most likely McCullough–you are wrong. Innocently wrong, but still wrong. “If I were you” it would be fun to confirm/nail the issue down…….. because: “something doesn’t add up.”

    As a man of science yourself (making observations and all) this should be of immense interest to you.

    Or not.

    Humans are like this.

    • pedro says:

      Having defeated his nemesis reader by using passive aggressive tactics, bobbo resumes being the king of innane, long useless rants

      • bobbo, we think with words, and flower with ideas says:

        Does it hurt Pedro? Show me where on this anatomically correct doll.

        ………… Why, thats constipation!

        Normally, I’d put this down to a bad taco, but your condition is chronic.

        ………………..sombrero too tight?

        Ride On!

        • pedro says:

          You should be hurting, reader pwn’d you left and right

          • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

            If Reader had pwn’d me, he would not have been told to stop being off topic and irrelevant.

            Poor Pedro. Can’t tell a taco from a turd.

            I do hope Reader continues to post. I even enjoy being off topic IF its interesting, and NOT five posts in a row each on a different off topic.

            Can you tell the difference Pedro—or is it a taco to you?

          • pedro says:

            Aaaah, denial. You got lucky he was booted, that’s the only thing preventing him from pwning you any further

          • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

            He was booted? I noticed he hasn’t posted in 1-2 days. I didn’t connect those dots as he was posting fewer items and seeming to come into line. Maybe some of his posts got scrubbed too?

            Who knows. Part of good management is to let/inform the audience of its actions so that we all can tell what the rules are.

            If Reader was booted, we should know. It would make the forum run more smoothly.

            Kinda a due process issue and NOT the arbitrary exercise of power kind of thing.

            Well, I hope he is let back in after sufficient time to consider his own choices.

            Same for everyone else.

            ((Not connecting dots is very much a stumbling block for existential types. Its why they get run over by trains so often. Why would a train whistle indicate a coming train? Silly Existentialists.))

          • Tim says:

            “”Not connecting dots

            Or, in this case, not decrementing a counter somewhere — the value was probably passed encrypted from itself so as not to get depressed about how much of its’ clock cycles are gone posting so many fairly intricate concatenations to an outlet populated by underprivilaged kids who don’t read too good.

            On their own, some of his ‘observations’ are fairly rousing. I’m not convinced he is a bot. Or, if so then one with a human minder.

            I’m also thinking that the human minder probably doesn’t get out very much — I know the feeling…

    • Tim says:

      “”would be about 2.5 inches.

      Dude? That would probably be the width of the painted line! I suppose, one could timelapse/consensus over a period of time to overcome the average 1 ft chop.

  17. eaze says:

    Here is proof this article is a lie:

    Dr. Andrew Wakefield’s Co-Author on Controversial Lancet “MMR Paper” Exonerated of All Charges of Professional Misconduct
    http://prweb.com/releases/2012/3/prweb9262180.htm

    • bobbo, are we Men of Science, or Devo says:

      ““It’s time that we started treating responsible parents as reliable witnesses to serious adverse reactions to medical procedures such as vaccination,” //// Smells like “sincerely held religious beliefs” to me.

      • Tim says:

        It is time that chicken pot pies which did not contain any peas at all be made available. But, what is time? Time. still pictures captured within some moving smallest increment of space? naa. That’s not it. is it because it meowww!! naa. Is it because it scratch when it get angry. nope.. Time. could it be like a river?? why is my google borked? why, father?

        your time is gonna come
        http://youtube.com/watch?v=VjHBa7qpRTg

  18. Benjamin says:

    Interesting. I’ve read another study that said that autism is caused by something else. It’s not vaccines after all. I won’t say what because then more people might die if they stop using this in fear of getting autism.

    Don’t worry. If the science holds up, it will be sure to get more press and everyone will be able to know about it.

  19. bobbo, are we Men of Science, or Devo says:

    Well Timmy, I’m not sure you get it yourself, so I will state my reasoning:

    Yes, corals can build up islands over 1000’s of years but only by beach sand being moved inland. Corals STOP GROWING when exposed to air…. ie… low tide is as high as most get ((hmmm…. check that… mabye some grow to high tide???==but still, they grow in water)). They cannot “grow” an island above seal level.

    Even if they did, the whole point of a tide guage is that it is ANCHORED to some bedrock and even if coral did grow out of the water in some crystaline process, it would not raise the island in a manner to raise the high tide marking.

    Having enjoyed thinking about what “I” wound think if I observed a high tide marker not change on my own Garden Retreat, my first thought would be I wasn’t being careful enough in my observations. That assumes I just wasn’t taking the word of someone else doing the observing.

    But, who you gonna believe: scientist from all over the world for decades, or your own lying eyes? I know…… me too.

    • Tim says:

      They could transport the water up by capillary action — develop a circulatory system.

      Something from Monsanto, perhaps? Maybe they’ll make it gloppy and slick instead of sharp cutty grows inside you. Also, it should make a horrid chorus of tiny moaning sounds…

  20. NewFormatSux says:

    So unlike in climate science, the author is not declaring his detractors to be anti-science or funded by big medicine. No bullying of other scientists to go along with what he is saying. No lawsuits against those who call him a fraud. Michael Mann is suing someone for calling him ‘the ring leader of the tree ring circus.’ Someone else for saying he is ‘The Jerry Sandusky of climate science.’ Someone else for saying ‘He should be in the State Pen, not Penn State.’