The immediate hours after the crash of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 brought far more questions than answers.

But one thing was clear: The deaths of nearly 300 people will put new pressure on the White House and European leaders to address the conflict in Ukraine and confront Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Russian President Vladimir Putin called for a cease-fire Friday in eastern Ukraine and urged the two sides to hold peace talks as soon as possible. A day earlier, Putin had blamed Ukraine for the crash, saying the government in Kiev was responsible for the unrest in its Russian-speaking eastern regions. But he did not accuse Ukraine of shooting the plane down and did not address the key question of whether Russia gave the rebels such a powerful missile.

As a possible turning point in the confrontation between Russia and the West over Moscow’s ongoing campaign to destabilize Ukraine, it could also spell serious trouble for Vladimir Putin.

Which side really did shoot down the plane? Could the plane have been shot down on purpose by ____ to force ____ to do something about the Ukraine conflict? Or just an accident of war? Or something else? What’s your theory on it all?



  1. bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist and student of Real Politik says:

    Where’s the thread on the Gaza Strip conflict?

    I want to link to the reports of “French Youth” rioting in support of Palestine by attacking Jews and Synagogues.

    Its in France now, coming to Germany and England next, eventually to America: you can have multi-racial societies, and even multi-religious socities BUT YOU CAN’T HAVE multi-cultural societies such as a individual rights constitutional society and one with a mandated State Religion (are you listening Alfie?).

    I would OUTLAW any religious group that advocated a government by Theocracy or that used Holy Books that advocated the same. The caliphate/sharia would be only one example of same.

    FREEEEEEEEEEEEDOM. Its not hard to recognize there is no freedom in being forced to adopt a certain religion over others or no religion at all. Are you listening Alfie?

    • Deport President Fundraiser! says:

      You are a misinformation dickhead, propagandist and distortion major.

      Christians framed our constitution, bill of rights, fundamental Christian principles are “baked into” the language, like “all men are CREATED equal.”

      We defended our constitution successfully, for generations.

      But you statists have the press, and tell the lie so much it seems like truth.

      Its you who are a clear and present danger to liberty, not us.

      dickhead.

      • bobbo, I would post this on Cage Match.... but no body here can answer there as sign up is disabled says:

        Alfie!!!! Kinda stepping all over those christian values.

        Been reading Mother Jones again?

  2. bobbo, I would post this on Cage Match.... but no body here can answer there as sign up is disabled says:

    I’m pretty sure I have a RAT infection. Someone is using Remote Adminstrative Tools to take over my computer and do whatever they want to as if sitting at my keyboard.

    They are stupid to do this when I am actively using my machine because: “I’m actively using my machine.”===so we fight back and forth for where the mouse is supposed to go and when to left and right click.

    So far…. the activity seems harmless and almost random…. but for all I know that is the source for missing files? Why be “harmless” but delete movies “I know” I have recorded but can’t find?

    Anyhoo….SpyHunter may protect against such activity….. don’t know why I am hesitate or skeptical of it working.

    right now…. I’m going to unplug my model whenever I’m not at my keyboard.

    …………………….If it ain’t god, we do it to ourselves.

    • bobbo, I would post this on Cage Match.... but no body here can answer there as sign up is disabled says:

      I might as well say it: I did allow Comcast to install RAT to diagnose a connection problem.

      Just too easy to blame them….. and they would never admit to anything…… but I think I will call them.

      • bobbo, I would post this on Cage Match.... but no body here can answer there as sign up is disabled says:

        That was a year ago and this behavior was only noticed last week…… but I don’t know how long its actually been going on.

        Probably need to figure out what log keeps track of my activity….. and then assume the doofus doing this is not erasing or modifying it?

      • Tim says:

        “”but I think I will call them.

        I really wouldn’t do that. The least nefarious thing that would happen is that the call would prove to be a fuckbag squared cunt-punch unproductive.

        Now, I don’t know about THAT tool as i’ve only ever really used Teamviewer {and I don’t know why} but let us just assume that whomever is seeing this post or yours.

        Still, I’d disconnect from the internet to limit the possiblity of the feds seeing you tampering with your machine and attempt to thwart your efforts.

        Go into services.msc and disable the remote access stuff. leave remote procedure call automatic. And stop there, for now.

        disable remote registry {BUT DONT DO ANYTHING STUPID AFTERWARDS!} and Windows Remote Management.

        Now, inspect the list for any third party Remote Control/help applications and disable those.

        now run MSCONFIG and uncheck any of the startups that look like remote control or otherwise useless… I’d just go ahead and uncheck everything.

        now reboot… recheck to see if anything didn’t stay in the state you left it {disabled} and, IF so, THEN pwnd.
        ———————————–

        Those services are more easily managed and with color-coded more detailed descriptions and backup capabilities with a little utility called Serviwin:

        http://nirsoft.net/utils/serviwin.html

        Now, don’t go just deleting stuff out the first screens, you just want the services and drivers tab {the little gear} up top.

  3. Please give Obama a golden parachute so everything doesn't turn to shit says:

    Putin should show up at one of O’s fundraisers, and reveal his secret gay life:

    http://wnd.com/2012/10/trinity-church-members-reveal-obama-shocker/

    The low information voters will be consumed and Putin able to do anything he wants.

  4. bobbo, we think with words, and flower with ideas says:

    Timmmmmy continuing to demonstrate the duality of his nature says:
    7/22/2014 at 4:59 am

    Well, bobbo. I know the agenda,//// you have mentioned this 3-4 times: please state the agenda.

    so i don’t waste that much time with nits of the ‘science’ — right or wrong — //// WHY doesn’t the incongruity of that statement bring yourself up short? aka: SCIENCE is right…. you find the “wrong” in various agenda, most likely when unstated.

    as whatever value will be taken to advance that adgenda is the correct one. /// even if you can formulate an agenda, THAT statement is gibberish.

    That ARS article makes my point for me real good, I think. What it is really saying is that the rate is slower with pine because the soil is not supporting as energetic a biosphere {life}. /// Yes, that was clearly stated and understood.

    Pine forests are green desert. The next step will be to gloss it in Lucite but you’ve got to get all the humans out of there first because they leave air bubbles in the finish. /// nice rhetorical flourish==doesn’t add/mean a thing.

    Again; Corporate beancounters prefere a parcel of land that is ‘consistent’ in it’s output or uptake as well as worthless for any one individual {competition} for anything else. /// Sorry, that doesn’t make any sense. Must be agenda related?

    ——————————–

    This *science* thing. You Know, Eugenics was the pop-science of the day? /// and it will be again. I am very pro eugenics… of the real science variety…. NOT backed up with mandatory gubment programs….. taking the pop out of it.

    Back then, people could be considered “feeble minded” and all that went with that for considering its’ policy wrong, evil. /// and still are today…. just look at Alfie….. and the boundaries you dance on all day long….

    They had ‘some’ science but look at some of the catastrophic abominations born from the inbreedings of royalty and Galtons and Rothchilds and fruitflies. /// too much conflation.

    Be direct, be specific, be honest…… do better.

    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

    I compliment you on your use (correctly used I emphasize) of the pyrolytic chemical equation. I used my science based common sense and you used actual pure science. We arrived at the same conclusions, but am I (again) somewhat awestruck at your prowess.

    I guess you haven’t come across the equation for AGW yet?

    Take those blinders off.

    • Tim says:

      “”…the pyrolytic chemical equation.

      It was written down somewhere. One has to keep a close eye on that one because some twerp keeps appending ‘+AGW’ to the end of it…

      • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist and junior culture critic says:

        Ha, ha…… Timmmmy…… your humor may save yourself…… but not your kiddies.

        Well done. Given we are all going to die, why not be kind?

        • Andrea Yates says:

          i’d probably just drowned them in a tub anyways because, you know, AGW guilt…

      • Tim says:

        Dynamic sensitivity analysis of biological systems

        “”A mathematical model to understand, predict, control, or even design a real biological system is a central theme in systems biology.

        http://biomedcentral.com/1471-2105/9/S12/S17

        Now, as for that other derivation… just substitute *AGW* everywhere you find the phrase *x(t + ηj) ← x(t) + 0.5 * ηj * (f(x(t), y(t)) + f(x(t + ηj), y(t + ηj)))*

        • CRU says:

          …remember to hide the decline if you want to get published.

          Publish or perish, they say. They fry that kid yet for reproducing the publisher’s public funded knowledge??

          • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist and junior culture critic says:

            Four Tits: you sure are skipping lightly across a number of cultural touch points. Well done.

            You too Timmmmmmy….always over my head until I can actually understand what you are saying…… and then you are wrong. How does that happen?

            Thanks. Gives me something to study.

  5. bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist and junior culture critic says:

    Hey Timmmmmmmay:

    You like movies.

    this board may have some interest for you:

    http://imdb.com/title/tt2193215/board/threads/

    Pop culture analysis of the movie “The Counselor.”

    • Tim says:

      I’d not seen that one. Looks interesting.

      “”…must protect himself and his soon to be bride as the truth of the drug business is uncovered and targets are eliminated.

      Ohh but I trust that nothing unsavory is going on and he meant to say, in a lawyerly way, “eleminated as a target of investigation”…??

      — I abhore onscreen violence

      • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist and junior culture critic says:

        Thats funny…. I’d never read the “storyline” before. Its correct in a mindless way but totally wrong on any deeper view of the film.

        One of the longer boards.

  6. B. Dog says:

    If somebody pays me they can have a sketch of a memorial marker that says “R.I.P. Mofo”.

  7. NewFormatSux says:

    What should Putin do?

    He should drop hints about revealing the truth about the shot down TWA 800. It is such a touchy subject, that they even made Anderson Cooper lie about it.
    http://cashill.com/twa800/anderson_cooper.htm

  8. deowll says:

    The American people don’t give a crap about no airliner. It was in the Ukraine or something and that might as well be Mars. Beside Putin owns the EU. The crazy greens passed a lot of stupid energy bills and now if the Russians turn off the natural gas they all collapse! Self inflected wound and natural selection at work destroying stupid countries run by stupid people.

    To sum it up if Putin wants to rebuild the Russian Empire let him and by the time he starts taking over the EU proper we should be ready to capitulate and bow before our new owners.

    Yeah there was a lot of sarcasm there.

  9. Let the Antithesis of Midas Pres Obama Fundraise, before even more turns to shit says:

    Screw Putin, its what we should do:

    https://sarahpalinchannel.com/

    Momma Grizzlies know best