First time I agree with O’Reilly over Jon Stewart over white privilege in America. Stewart is wrong, O’Reilly is right.

Not to say that there isn’t discrimination – and there is. But discrimination and privilege is not the same thing. The same thing applies to male privilege. Just because one group does better doesn’t mean that they are the ones keeping the ones who don’t do well from doing well.

It ignores black people don’t like black people more than white people don’t like black people. There is only so much that white people can do to help black people be equal. The real change has to come from black people – how they choose to interface with the world =- and time to get over their ancestors being slaves. Every person on the planet has ancestors who were slaves.

O’Reilly is right about Asians having a higher income than whites. Am a resentful? No – I want to learn from them. And they were slaves too. If you go back a few thousand years most of the population were slaves.

Why this is important is that the solution to the problem has to focus on what we can do to incorporate all people into normal society. And teaching black people that they are inferior, that they can’t achieve without having to accept they need welfare because of their color, that’s the wrong message. White people aren’t the ones who enslaved the blacks. Blacks and lots of other people were already slaves. We’re the nation who freed the slaves, yet you would think that Lincoln’s Birthday would be a black holiday celebrating their liberation.

Addressing discrimination – yes – there definitely is that. Ferguson Missouri and the way we treat Obama are examples of discrimination. Discrimination and privilege are different. Apartheid in South Africa was white privilege. Jews in Israel is religious privilege as is Islam in Iran.

So – I’m sure this is controversial. So have at me.



  1. ± says:

    no sarc/ Wow. Good, thoughtful commentary Marc. /no sarc

    And the clip locks in Jon Stewart’s supercilious-kowtowing-to-liberal-sound-bites persona.

    Still, it isn’t good for any of the R/D hiring electorate to watch since it won’t change who they try to hire.

    • bobbo, are we Men of Science, or Devo says:

      Fun to see the third party candidates (so yeah—retread Ds & Rs) going to make a difference in 3-4 State races for the Senate. JUST where they only relevant: where the two party votes are nearly tied and the entire electorate looking for an alternative.

      In these close contests, I would vote third party merely and simply as a NO vote against the two party system. IE–I would vote Third Party when it makes sense to do so.

      Not to throw my vote away putting the less favored party into position.

      You see the difference?

      • ± says:

        Clearly seen is that one must check with bobbo regarding who they will cast their vote for to see if it is being ‘wasted’ before they vote.

        Did you register checkwithbobbobeforevoting.com yet?

        Thanks for joining those helping to hire the failed governance which will destroy America.

        I vote third party (or write-in) so as not to be responsible for helping to hire those who have proven themselves to be destructive agents of our nation. I walk away from the polls every election with a clear conscience. You walk away from the polls guilty.

        • bobbo, are we Men of Science, or Devo says:

          The whole point is voting third party candidates that result in electing the least favorite of your candidates is

          ………..self defeating.

          Its as obvious as AGW and White Privilege.

          Just open your freaking eyes.

          Hey….first time ever….. lets Google the issue:

          ………8:16pm……..(effects of third party candidates)……..8:17: ” the main impact of third-party candidacies has been to play the role of spoiler,”

          Spoiler….as in: not a good thing.

          http://centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/articles/threes-a-crowd-where-third-party-candidates-might-have-an-impact/

          What, two cycles ago: the Third Party vote for Ralph Nader did NOT get Ralph Nader elected or destroy/effect the the two party sysstem. All it did was elect BushtheRetard over Algore AGW alarmist. If that is your desired outcome, then good on you. If you would have prefered Algore==then recognize what you did.

          In either case, voting for the Third Party did not achieve your goals and was more than a waste of your vote.

          Simple. Just look.

          • ± says:

            It is simple. You vote for evil. You get evil. Your contortions are pathetic. Just like the American electorate you belong to who you helped to create the mess we have.

            Did you register checkwithbobbobeforevoting.com yet?

        • MikeN says:

          Phil Donohue was arguing on behalf of Ralph Nader, and Alan Colmes was saying ti would throw the election to George Bush, couldn’t he do it some other time. Phil responded, “I guess we liberals are supposed to wait four years, then come back and get permission from Alan to run.”

      • MikeN says:

        Bobbo returns with one of the dumbest statements of all time.

        • bobbo, are we Men of Science, or Devo says:

          Oh Mickey–so you are placing an generally accepted political reality as more dumb that the multitudes of times I have called you for being the dumb shit that you are?

          Ha, ha: Right you are.

          • MikeN says:

            Under your logic, the best time to vote third party is 2000 in Florida, and not say 2000 in California.

          • bobbo, are we Men of Science, or Devo says:

            Take the one example that everyone agrees on:

            Voting for TP Candidate Ralph Nader CAUSED BushtheRetard to be elected instead of Alstiffasaboardgore to be elected. Almost everyone voting for Ralph would have voted for Algore as their second choice, but we don’t have cumulative voting, so BUSHtheRetard, the WORST PRESNEDENT of the 20th Century, got to serve for 8 years, cocaine and desertion and born again and Dick Cheney not an issue.

            almost enough to make third party voting ILLEGAL! Should have an intial dry hump to select the TWO TOP contenders.

            Pros and Cons to all we do.

  2. bobbo, are we Men of Science, or Devo says:

    Shallow….. as in….. not “deep” enough.

    Just Look: you agree there is discrimination. Unavoidably: that discrimination results in white privilege. Take what I guess you agree is discrimination: a black growing up in Ferguson Mo. Black kid grows up knowing he is more often stopped for jay walking while black, more often shot, more often jailed etc. White kids in the same town DO NOT HAVE that persception. They more so than Blacks think of cops as pretectors against the criminal element.

    And that is why you have the Pumpkin Protest in New Hampshire with police monitoring, and you have police shootings in Ferguson. Its not the crime, its who’s doing the crime.

    Re Ferguson: white privilege is shown by who is on City Council: all white. who is on Police Force: 97% white. Who is in jail: 50% black. This difference in reality is white privilege. Its is very much what you DON’T THINK ABOUT or even suspect, it is what you grow up taking for granted.

    Now….you mentioning of Orientals making more money is excellent for as you say, they started out not much better than blacks. But their family structures where never destroyed. Intact families is 95% of what kiddies need to grow up with….values….or “privilege.” Interesting to look at more than just your own life, and try to trace it back a few generations?

    But also very relevantly, you make the WORST LOGIC ERROR there is: conflating a complex multi-layers issue into an either/or proposition. Some black families are fully intact and making more than whitey…..but many are not.

    Sadly—not simplistic thinking like yours is adequate to what must be done: add up the pros and cons, weigh their importance, recognize that whatever is done/thought..some will benefit while others will be harmed.

    “What we need to do is teach black people…..” //// Yeah…. no assumptions there.

    Is there a single issue you aren’t wrong on?

    • Templeton Jack says:

      As far as Ferguson goes, I have yet to see any numbers on how many and when blacks have run for office or applied for jobs as policemen.

      • Marc Perkel says:

        Actually – almost none run for office and with a majority of blacks in Ferguson if they wanted to take control they could. Just run someone black – blacks vote for blacks – and they rule the town. So that’s my point. Power is there for the taking. But power is taken – not given.

        • bobbo, are we Men of Science, or Devo says:

          Your position is for incessant race wars?

          THE WHOLE POINT of being elected to city council is to run the whole town FOR EVERYBODY—not just your own racial group.

          So, your racial prefereance is so ingrained you don’t even recognize your arguments against it are the very arguments that REPRESENT IT.

          A History of Discrimination will do that.

          Read, learn. Think some more. Be a bit more empathetic. Listen to the Blacks. A lot of them are wrong…….but underneath it all, often they have their finger on “something.”

          Know what I mean?…..Ha, ha.

    • MikeN says:

      In Ferguson, Michael Brown was shot in the hand at close range. Hands up, ‘don’t shoot’ is a myth, believed by those who believe in the concept of white privilege.

  3. Judge Hooker says:

    Now if we could get this kind of clear thinking drilled up through the ranks of Washington. Of course, clear thinking doesn’t make headlines.

    • bobbo, are we Men of Science, or Devo says:

      Thank you, but Marc is well motivated. Just can’t see the AGW for the co2 in the air. Makes him dizzy.

  4. Templeton Jack says:

    “the way we treat Obama” is discrimination. Yeah, yeah, if you disagree with him you are a racist. That’s Bush’s fault too and if you disagreed with him you were racist too.
    I rarely agree with a political position put forth by John Stewart, More often than not I agree with Bill O’Reilly’s non religious positions.
    Not sure I agree with “black people don’t like black people more than white people don’t like black people” But I do remember a segment on Oprah Winfrey back in 1988(?) about black on black discrimination, lighter skinned blacks discriminating against darker skinned blacks.
    But I do agree with “Just because one group does better doesn’t mean that they are the ones keeping the ones who don’t do well from doing well.”

  5. Woe is me says:

    Jon Stewart knew his argument wasn’t compelling. (The classic sign is incessant, repetitive talking with nothing new to say.)

    So, when will “white privilege guilt” and the “black grevience industry” become irrelevant and cease to exist?

    Probably when there’s no money to be made or political votes to buy, and after the Asians are in full control.

    • MikeN says:

      Usually when his argument isn’t flying he relies on choppy editing to make himself look better. See his interview with Jonah Goldberg.

  6. Marc Perkel says:

    Yeah – I’m just not going to accept white guilt. My ancestors came from eastern Europe in the late 1800 after the civil war. So my ancestors didn’t have black slaves. And – if we go back far enough – we all come from Africa.

    • bobbo, are we Men of Science, or Devo says:

      I also reject white guilt.

      So………what is it that causes/conditions/results in Blacks having the group statistics that they do?

      What would be the conditions of any “identifiable group” that was held in slavery for 300 years, set free, subject to Jim Crow conditions for another 150 years?

      …….Just lazy I guess……. but why are they lazy?

      …………………..Nothing?…………………..

      • bobbo, are we Men of Science, or Devo says:

        IOW, in YOUR words: if there are multiple conditions and history of long term discrimination, what does that result in for the power group compared to the disadvantaged group?

        Are there no differences at all?

        What ever differences you might admit to: call that white privilege.

        • Marc Perkel says:

          A difference doesn’t mean privilege. Think of it as 3 levels, flat, hills, and holes. Whites are flat – blacks are in holes. With no discrimination – which does exist – blacks would be flat. Hills are affirmative grants of power. Before the 1960s there was white privilege. Now that’s ended. Not we have to eliminate discrimination and stop oppression of blacks by whites and blacks.

        • Parker Brothers says:

          they pass the ‘get out of jail free’ card back and forth as collateral for landing on Park Place. You know, to keep the game going.

    • MikeN says:

      The word slave comes from Slav.

  7. Dpv says:

    The war against the white male by the liberal media

    • bobbo, are we Men of Science, or Devo says:

      Either that, or everything in society is PERFECT, with no need for change or tweaking at all.

      “I got mine”….screw everyone else.

      • MikeN says:

        says the guy who throws his lodger out of the house.

        • bobbo, are we Men of Science, or Devo says:

          That dope addict was not “everyone.”

          Its the difference between every and one.

          You see the difference?…… Its math.

          • MikeN says:

            You need to check your white privilege at the door and avoid making such racist comments.

  8. Jon Stewart says:

    fucking clip sux

  9. bobbo, are we Men of Science, or Devo says:

    Marc Perkel says:
    10/21/2014 at 9:12 pm

    A difference doesn’t mean privilege. /// True, but now add that the difference gives an ADVANTAGE to one group, and a BURDEN to another. Its that difference that is the privilege.

    Think of it as 3 levels, flat, hills, and holes. Whites are flat – blacks are in holes. With no discrimination – which does exist – blacks would be flat. Hills are affirmative grants of power. Before the 1960s there was white privilege. Now that’s ended. /// Ok………please……..what ended in the 60’s?

    Not we have to eliminate discrimination and stop oppression of blacks by whites and blacks. /// So….. it sounds like “nothing” stopped in the 60’s? The ABSENCE OF BEING DISCRIMINATED AGAINST is white privilege.

    Marc–I think you actually “know” the truth of the situation that you have wrapped up and confined to “discrimination” and you are simply refusing to recognize or apply that fact and consequence under the label/title/fact of “white privilege.”

    But….. with almost no manipulation at all….whatever you think is not right about calling something white privilege you would agree to by simply constructing it as an article of discrimination and its effects.

    So….. again…. with discrimination continuing even as we post here tonight thereby continuing white privilege….what “exactly” stopped in the 60’s? Shirley it wasn’t blacks being able to buy a house in Levittown?

    Oh, Dear God, please tell me thats not it….

  10. Ah_Yea says:

    Perkel’s right, and it’s time to talk about this.

    I’ve never discriminated against anyone, but I sure have been discriminated against. I’ve lost employment opportunities to “affirmative action”.

    I’ve never owned a slave or beat down a black man.
    My father, grandfather, etc. haven’t either.

    Half of all Americans were born 13 years AFTER the passage of the civil rights act.

    The Liberal blame game is quickly coming to an end, and then what??

    • bobbo, are we Men of Science, or Devo says:

      Everything you post is “off topic.”

      White Privilege is a “fact” that you can look at and see in day to day interactions, the news, societal statistics across about every subject you can name.

      I wonder if you White Privilege Deniers do so for the same reason you deny Anthropomorphic Global Warming? You don’t any changes to your current life style/outlook that such recognition might support, so you deny the reality as the best defense, being an offense to logic and reality as it is?

      Agreeing there is AGW or WP doesn’t say anything else. It does NOT IMPLY ANYTHING is owed by anyone to anyone else. It does not imply anyone is to “blame” for anything.

      Here is a little exercise: if you disagree with AGW or WP==can you imagine an explanation or alternative reality where such issues would be valid? What element is missing in our current situation for that reality to be present? How close are we??

      ………its just an exercise……in thinking.

      Can you do it????

  11. dade0 says:

    Stewart and O’Reilly are not the brain-trust this debate attempts to make them. They are media mouthpieces, hired and paid for by media giants with known agendas. This is only relevant because it’s hyped by your TV and means nothing other than you watch too much television.

    TURN OFF YOUR TVS!!!

    I’m not saying they were paid to speak a certain message, only that they are corrupted by belonging to the main stream media machine, cancelling any credibility or independent thought they might appear to have.

    • bobbo, are we Men of Science, or Devo says:

      Thats a silly thing to say and to counsel.

      TV IS EXCELLENT!!!!!!

      Especially “The Daily Show” which was good before and will be good after Jon Stewart.

      I don’t even care if tv is mostly a pile of shit, there are still nuggets of nutrition within the turds. You just have to pick and choose…….and if I had to have a steady diet, Jon Stewart would be at the top of my list.

      Real Social Criticism. NOTE: he did not tell OReilly to “do” anything except recognize what is obvious.

      You alternative is what?

      1. Drugs
      2. Books/Magazines
      3. Chopping wood
      4. Hunting

      Well, tv is current. But I agree, a mix of all of the above is always the best answer.

      Surprisingly but thankfully rare BAD post by you.

  12. orchidcup says:

    I have ancestors that were Native Americans, AKA “Redskins.”

    Them redskins was beat down by whiteskins, blackskins, and brownskins and they was given land that nobody else wanted.

    Nowadays my ancestral progeny own giant casinos and rake in the dough from whiteskins, blackskins, and brownskins.

    If you ain’t privileged then you should open a casino and get even.

    • Tim says:

      Really getting ‘even’ there might be to dig up some old blankets and take them to the annual quilting festival in Spider’s Crotch, Nebraska.

  13. Thadco says:

    Mr. Perkel,

    I tend to agree with you much of the time, but with respect to this particular issue, you have your head DEEPLY up your ass. So badly I can’t even begin to explain why. As white men, our lives are much more PRIVILEGED than any other group in America.

    You must actually be somewhat aware of just how specious your argument is, given that you immediately base it on a semantic distinction about privilege not being the same as discrimination. Correct, the Discrimination that still exists you admit creates the Privilege we white folks enjoy today.

    I ask you to be mature enough to reconsider your position and perhaps admit that you are just plain wrong.

    And Dude! You actually made the fucked-up suggestion that black people “Just get over it.” Your kidding, right? You should not be allowed to discuss Atheism again until take that back. How do you not see the massive irony?

    Again, Dude! Not Cool. 🙁

    • Marc Perkel says:

      Discrimination != privileged. If you want to wallow in white guilt you just create discrimination against whites, which does not solve discrimination against blacks.

  14. bobbo, are we Men of Science, or Devo says:

    Here’s another slice of the obvious: anyone that denies WP simply doesn’t have any introspection.

    WHY are you the way you are? How did you grow up?? What was good and bad about what your parent provided to you. Did they provide it or was the family unit (sic—family unit, ie not broken up by Welfare, the result of not being allowed to have a decent job because your G-Pa Pa was denied an education ….etc) basically Facing Upstream, Going Downstream in Clear Swift Water?

    I thank my parents for who I am. For the Good and Bad, I am what I am because of my parents. Both screwed over in different ways. Both able to pull themselves up by their bootstraps (and WW2). Who would want to be a 1931 German or Jew??? Thank God for American Privilege.

    Do you feel PRIVILEGED for being born American? African Ameericans being PRIVILEGED for being born in America too!

    Hahahahahaha—yes====PRIVILEGE ALL AROUND. To be Alive, to be thinking (sic-or able to if one just tried!), to be HOOMAN. Only a few years more before I/we return to Dust.

    All PRIVILEGES ENDED.

    Silly hoomans…………….think about/recognize your blessings.

  15. MikeN says:

    Bill Cosby said it, and the race hustlers whined about it.

  16. His Story says:

    I disagree. There is, at least a psychological element of white privilege in America and it comes from TRADITIONS! And traditions are derived from HISTORY!

    This “white privilege” has been around practically since the American continent was discovered (speaking as a person of European dissent, that is). And if you think Christopher Columbus or Leif Erickson were not white, think again.

    Columbus/Erickson were from a European background meaning they were white or at least ruled by whites. Also don’t forget that Mediterranean people and blacks almost never ventured into Europe even as late as the 1500’s either; some did but almost all of them were not by choice. So, as far as Europe was concerned, it was all white when someone finally came to the new world and “conquered” it.

    Once that happened, native American’s were all but obliterated either by technology or European diseases so they couldn’t be white “domesticated”. Therefore, people of African origins were brought in as slaves. And it pretty much stayed that way even after the American Civil War right up until the 1950’s when Dr. King and the civil rights movement began. (Even later — much later — if you care to look at South Africa’s history.)

    It took centuries to finally break this racist mindset and stop an entire culture from believing that the white race is superior. It took only a short time period of about 50 years (1960’s to present) in America to finally make this new mindset a status quot. But there simply hasn’t been enough time to fully integrate all races into our new American culture of equality. (A “dream” where everyone lives in a peaceful world where one owns his/her own home, has plenty of food to eat and the ability to raise children with an even brighter future. A dream where no one is judged by the color of their skin nor any other visible differences.)

    So there certainly is a something to be said about “white privilege” in countries of European settlement. And as far as America is concerned, Jon Stewart has a very valid point that Blowhard O’Reilly seems to want to trivialize (Imagine that. ME! a REPUBLICAN saying that.) One only needs to look at college graduation statistics to see it. But if that doesn’t convince you, take another look at the other end of the spectrum — PRISONS!

    I’m sorry. But O’Reilly really does have his head up his ass on this one. He makes some good points and I do find myself often agreeing. But he’s still wrong when he twists those points to make a very racist argument. He simply won’t admit that working hard and doing the right thing is easier for whites (and thus is a “white privilege”) than for any other race.

    • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist and junior culture critic says:

      I don’t know how you call yourself a Republican and yet still look at facts.

      Being a Republican is all about wishful neurotic reality avoiding dream sleep about the way things should be…. and would be….if everyone would just be white, or second best: think white.

      Work hard….. do what you are told to do.

      Like a Good German should.

      • MikeN says:

        You mean like wanting people to not use drugs while in your house? RACIST!

  17. Marc Perkel says:

    How about American blacks vs. African blacks. Is that American privilege?

    • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist and junior culture critic says:

      Thats what I clearly said.

      ALL KINDS OF PRIVILEGES.

      ……….stop and analyze and appreciate how you got to where you are.

      Its a privilege.

      • Pondo Sinatra says:

        i fell off a turnip truck…. damn, where am i?

        • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist and junior culture critic says:

          You got to RIDE the turnip truck rather than have it swerve to hit you while walking without a ride.

          You got WHITE PRIVILEGE and turnip stink all over yourself. When you ask where you are, you’ll get an answer instead of “In the wrong part of town.”

          Over/Under Bet: how many Historical/Social/Factual/Self Experienced facts must be ignored not to recognize the WHITE PRIVILEGE you are currently benefiting from?======I’ll give it 78.

          • Tim says:

            I just can’t help myself…

            so, I posted the worst quality clip I could find

            not really much ‘BuzzCocks’ in this one though
            http://youtube.com/watch?v=0xDSDspiBc4

          • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist and junior culture critic says:

            His dick was white but that is the only connection I can come up with….ie…none at all.

            STOP READING xsa’s posts. They can’t help your already too strong penchant for the irrelevant.

          • Tim says:

            bobbo, it must be considered that *somebody* has recieved an NSL over that asswipe. Explains alot, hmmm???

  18. Peppeddu says:

    Actually Jon Stewart is right, although he wasn’t able to elaborate it.

    There is a White privilege and there is an Asian privilege.

    White people always had their privilege, Asians didn’t, but they slowly built their reputation through hard work and diligence in their own country, first Japanese and now Chinese.

    Black Americans don’t have the luxury of building their reputation in their own country, and they have to live in the USA in a constant state of micro-aggressions, just like this one.
    https://youtube.com/watch?v=HRfjLfyXYlA&list=PLD87569A1735E5042

    How do you think a black child is gonna grow up is everyone, everyday, 24/7 think he’s a crook?

  19. MikeN says:

    Jon Stewart should give up his show to a black man.

  20. bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist and junior culture critic says:

    PRIVILED all over the place:

    Latest example: RICH MANS PRIVILEGE: Chris Christy actually mocking anyone who wants an increase in the minimum wage: “What parent is at home hoping their child can get a higher paying minimum wage?”

    Head so far up his ass……makes him a front runner in Jersey Puke Politics…….because………..he understands our values.

    To Pedro: lots of Blacks have and do and will pull themselves up and overcome the obstancles still in their way. some get lots of help (affirmative action) some overcome outright discrimination (job hiring, red lining).

    So….. its always a mix of things. BUT statistics tell the tale: keep an identifiable group of people in bondage, and the ill effects will play out for generations until finally corrected. Will take longer when various restrictions are still kept in place: See the Puke effort to disenfranchise currently going on. Its all about trying to MAINTAIN white privilege.

    Do you have eyes?=======why can’t you see????

    Yeah, I know—everything you have you worked for all by yourself without help from any other source.

    Silly self centered blind unappreciative hoomans.

    • Tim says:

      Since I live at home, is there a way to get it out without making an embarassing ‘shclupping’ sound??

      http://youtube.com/watch?v=uiWIjWh3MNA

      I eagerly await an efficatious soulution…

      • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist and junior culture critic says:

        “I can talk and shit at the same time…”

        ………..may be true, but how are “we” supposed to tell the difference?

        My side bar had 10 most unique horror movie killing scenes……..not that I’m recommending anything.

        • Roger Ebert says:

          i’d think ‘watchmojo’ gets a thumbs up on that one. {I picked the wrong day to start silver solutions’ liquid nitrogen neti pot therapy}

    • MikeN says:

      Don’t you mock people for wanting cheap health care plans?

      • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist and junior culture critic says:

        MICKEY!!!!! There you go again….a clever witty remarkable in its rarity blast of insightful sarcasm.

        Well done.

  21. Captain Obvious says:

    I love it when liberal patsies forget the Irish in this country. Tell my grandfather how his ‘white privilege’ helped him get turned away from jobs because he was Irish.

    • jpfitz says:

      He could always shape up at the docks every day hopefully to get a days work, just like my grandfather, or become a fireman or cop. But way early on the Irish were considered lowly, on par with African Americans. If an Irishman did get work most times he was basically a slave on a farm. One thing the Irish had going for themselves was the English language and ability to get an education.

      I spoke with an Irishman while vacationing in Belize. We had a few beers and when he found out my last name and my wifes maiden name he explained that our two families were bitter enemies, she being protestant and I being raised Catholic.

      http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f4/Nina3.jpg/170px-Nina3.jpg

    • jpfitz says:

      A better copy of the song on Wikipedia.

      http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_American#Occupations

    • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist and junior culture critic says:

      I think its obvious that WHITE PRIVILEGE allowed the Irish to overcome the discrimination they experienced in 1-2-3 generations.

      …………..while the blacks and browns………………….

      • jpfitz says:

        You know I see the black race in America still unhomiginized, along with the browns, and…well anyone not fitting the image of a good ole boy. Yes whites have a socioeconomic edge over all races still. There is not a fair playing field when it comes to education and jobs for those of color, affirmative action is needed to raise those born non white and privileged. I was helped as a college student, not due to race but because government intervention deeming that because my father was disabled at a fairly young age with five children, I should be able to attend higher education. Ah, the good old days before Reagan.

        Being born is not a choice, and what color you’re born is not a choice. Whites have a definite advantage bobbo. Parenting and environment will change the person. Some like yourself can pull themselves up above the norm.

        Pedro, you are forever arguing with anyone who can see more than five feet in front of their noses. I’ll wait for you to argue…maybe it’s just bobbo you are at odds with, but I hate the nasty comments.

        • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist and junior culture critic says:

          I know you just were too lazay (like me) to correct it, but I just watched a “Prison Connection Network” skit on In Living Color.

          The Wayans brothers missed that one: homiginized…… CRACKS me up.

          Lots of dyslexia going around? (sarc off)

          • jpfitz says:

            Lol…well, pour me a glass of stupid. Yup, too quick with the stylus to bother to re-read my comment. Call me crazy, I mean lazy.

            Hey, what’s your take on these God complexed doctors returning from hell and feeling well enough to walk around town spreading death.

          • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist and junior culture critic says:

            I think they are just “hooman.” They feel qualified, competent, protected against the ebola virus or they wouldn’t go in the first place.

            That being the case, they also believe they are not infectious before they KNOW IT and can quarentine themselves…..so…. they are operating on two safety levels, knowledge, competence, and experience.

            They want to believe they understand the disease and are competent/safe around it and do not want to exhibit/engage in superstitious ignorant fear based behavior instead of the SCIENCE that they know and follow.

            So far….. they have been 100% correct.

            So far…. only the first safety barrier has been breached.

            They are NOT DEVO…… they are MEN OF SCIENCE.

            We all should follow their example.

          • jpfitz says:

            Your comment sounds cemented in good judgement. I just don’t trust hoomans to make judgement calls on their own physical condition concerning a deadly disease. I had a Dr. once tell me that obomacare will get in the way of his god like decisions regarding his patients. He’s not my Dr. anymore.

            Maybe you can understand my concern now. I am very glad to hear state by state’s are finally implementing a 21 day isolation. Too many Dr. with god complexes. Science practiced with hooman judgement alone, without other scientists becomes one man’s godly decision.

          • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist and junior culture critic says:

            Well, don’t conflate the various issues. You can have a god complex and still be right.

            Key fact: so far, the Docs have been 100% right.

            I don’t think anyone is uniquely qualified to tell if they are starting to feel sick, off center, coming down with a fever? Anyone who has been sick and can remember the feelings can do it….don’t need an 8 year medical degree.

            TO THAT END….I personally would be one of the worst people to “self monitor” as never being sick, I don’t know what starting to run a fever feels like. Is it like getting too hot in a sauna? or hungry??

            I’ve already heard the fear mongering Pukes suggest Docs be subject to a 40 day quarentine…. you know…. just to be safe.

            MEN OF SCIENCE. If its true that one is not contagious until running a fever…why not let Docs self monitor?? If not, why not quarentine for 6 months????

            So…with reason being based on the Science available…. the Docs have been 100% correct in their self monitoring and turning themselves in EARLY before symptoms of illness appear.

            Science…. or FUD???

          • MikeN says:

            Docs are 100% right? Then how did people get infected here?

          • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist and junior culture critic says:

            ZERO transmission by Docs.

            Get your head out of your ass and away from ours.

            Your kind of stupidity…………..

          • jpfitz says:

            I’m not wrong or conflating the doctors contraction of Ebola. He has a God complex like many Dr. Look at his posting of himself wearing a PPE suit, he does seem a bit self absorbed. If I had been him, I would have stayed in my home upon return for a week. Taken temps at least twice daily, not gone on public transportion or bowling.

            Losing a week of work after four weeks in a deadly Ebola treatment center including the travel time to see if the disease has incubated into Ebola seems to be prudent. Science is what the Dr should have practiced. I don’t consider what the CDC outlined for returning from West Africa correct, and I’m a layman reading about transmission and incubation. Better safe than sorry.

            Did you watch cspan and see the congressional hearing on Friday about Ebola? Wow the republicans are loons, well most were. I recorded the session and really enjoyed the drama. Some good questions were asked, some were plain idiotic.

          • jpfitz says:

            Science…. or FUD???

            Both, consider the CDC’s change of mind today. The CDC is a bureaucratic org on the defense right now. I have a high respect for the doctors without borders. My best friends brother is on the front lines and is the director of the New England center for emergency preparedness.

  22. bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist and junior culture critic says:

    More Privilege:

    Melissa Harris on her show…guests mentions that women on Twitter have changed their Avatars to White Males and find that they no longer get harassed like they did when shown to be a woman.

    Free ((more free?)) to speak one’s mind without fear of contradiction, rebuke, or a comeon?

    The weave and warp of society. Status, privilege, class…the things that flow from them.

    ……………I woke this morning with a strong impression: what am I going to think today? Do you recognize you “choose” to think what you think? You are the dog…your ideas are the tail?

    or…..is it the other way around????

    • Tim says:

      Dogs with tails so far up their asses they look like they’ve been eating GMO.

      “Some of these pouches contained single hairs; others, thick bundles of colorless or pigmented hairs reaching as high as the chewing surface of the teeth. Sometimes, the tooth row was surrounded with a regular brush of hair bundles on both sides. The hairs grew vertically and had sharp ends, often covered with lumps of a mucous.”

      http://responsibletechnology.org/article-gmo-soy-linked-to-sterility

      • jpfitz says:

        I used to scarf up as many edamame at our favourite sushi restaurant since 1988. Now I look at my testes and understand after reading the article you linked.

        • Tim says:

          As I understand it, soybeans have always been somewhat poisonous unless fermented — Even before monsanto.

          Look into AMARANTH. Besides, it resists monsanto and they’re askeered of it (they call it ‘pigweed’ and it’s why we’re getting 2-4-ded in addition to FuckUP’d(™) now).

          • jpfitz says:

            I thought that crap roundup that I used to use on my driveway killed everything, including humans. I won’t go near that crap, I stay away from the weedkiller isle in the hardware store to boot.

            Not a bad looking plant. Comes back every summer and is superplant. Monsanto will come up with a more horrible chemical to kill it.

  23. bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist and junior culture critic says:

    WHITE PRIVILEGE.

    Woke up this morning thinking about Dear Old Dad. He was never around and drunk off his ass when he was. Grew up not liking him very much.

    The older I get, the more I “forgive” him in the very watered down judgmental feeling the loss way that I do.

    My friend and I a while back had a good laugh when we both described our dads as remote, uninvolved, not seen: “at least he didn’t beat me.”

    What did Dad do every day of his life?===work.

    What did Dad do every night of his life?===drink and cry about the great depression taking away his chance for college and the education he wanted. Kept telling me how lucky I was…..go read a book.

    But……he never beat me, never threatened to beat me….or Mom. Just a sad sack feeling sorry for himself his whole life. Uncle Charlie confirmed: “Is he still upset over that?”

    Yes, he was.

    I read a letter his father sent him on his marriage to Mom. Filled with good wishes. I don’t see how Dad was so miserable with such a great Dad himself.

    He paid all the bills. Got me to the Dentist when needed (I’ve never seen a Doc). Encouraged me to read books. He did that because his father did that for him. And Great Grand Dad too. And G_G_G before that going back to Mill Owners in Canada.

    In tact families passing values along all the way. I can’t imagine growing up generation after generation not having a family.

    If you don’t recognize WHITE PRIVILEGE, you dont recognize the roots of your own humanity. Sounds like too many of you have lost it. You go read a book, while I have a few beers and feel sorry for myself.

    • jpfitz says:

      Just like good old Dad, huh. Did you ever say to yourself “I’ll never be like him”? I know I did and have forgiven my dad only a few years ago. Many years of hate turned into understanding and love.

      And yes I see and recognize white privilege. Marc is wrong, as is the Irishman.

      • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist and junior culture critic says:

        Yes…I did say to myself I would not be like him….and I succeeded. I take responsibility for what happens to me and around me and recognize things could always be worse, while striving for the best outcome I can manage. To whit: I don’t blame others or feel sorry for myself.

        So…… that was a good thing….. I think.

        To my comeuppance, I learned in my twenties that was not all I had to do to be “successful”….but that is a longer story with tmi already on display.

        I do it……..for the childrens.


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