It’s starting. As promised, President Obama is using executive actions to impose gun control on the nation, targeting the top-selling rifle in the country, the AR-15 style semi-automatic, with a ban on one of the most-used AR bullets by sportsmen and target shooters. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives this month revealed that it is proposing to put the ban on 5.56 mm ammo

Heck, its only a “certain type” of ammunition, he wouldn’t dare take it any farther than that, Right?

    • NewFormatSux says:

      I bet snopes thinks the FCC actions have no input from Obama either. The DOJ action to investigate George Zimmerman was just random law and order activity. None of these have anything to do with Obama.

    • Phydeau says:

      While it’s true that the ATF proposed a ban on “green tip” ammunition in February 2015, President Obama was not involved through executive action of any description. The ATF described the proposal as the result of a long-term examination of whether the ammunition fit the criteria for an exemption for sporting purposes

      But hey, it’s a good excuse to put up a photoshop of Obama the Nazi/Socialist/Commie/Muslim! 😀

      Did someone at the Dvorak blog owe the Washington Examiner some page views???

      • NewFormatSux says:

        More delusions by Ginger.

      • Sheesh says:

        Is good you fall for propaganda, eh comrade?


      • Why hasn’t Obama used his expanded authority and order both houses of congress closed, thus saving the taxpayer millions.

        There is little need for a DemoRepublican party that pretends to disagree with Obama, but gives him all the funds he needs to do anything he wants.

        As a follower of Obama, perhaps you can enlighten us. What’s the hold up?

        President for Life! I can hear your applause.

      • LibertyLover says:

        It always pisses me off when some government flunky thinks the purpose of guns is for sporting.

      • NewFormatSux says:

        I guess you think Operation Choke Point had nothing to do with Obama too.

    • jpfitz says:

      The Washington Examiner is a political magazine way on the right, in line with Faux News.

  1. Wait till ObamaNet neutralizes web streaming so its equal in cost to cable, and Netflix (evil exploiters that they are), are forced to charge monthly fees just like cable.

    Then you’d wish you had the ammo Obama used to shoot Bin Laden, to shoot yourself.

    Congrats to all Democrats, no one else could take the usa out, but you did.

    • jamson says:

      Netflix already charges monthly fees….

      I have to ask, do you actually like the current state of broadband? And do you understand the anti-competitive behaviors big ISP’s have engaged in over the past decade or two, not to mention the billions in taxpayer cash/tax breaks big telecom has taken for services promised and never delivered?

      • If it were about net neutrality, then they would release the text of the rules for all to see, proud of them.

        They are doing the usual leftist misdirection, promising to hurt the “rich” to help “the poor” while actually doing nothing for the poor at all, except making their expenses go up.

        The straw man misdirection “we are going to hurt the rich for you” has worked throughout history, the logical end is N. Korea or Venezula poverty.

        It doesn’t hurt the rich to raise their cost of doing business, as Jonathan Gruber pointed out, they simply pass the added cost onto to those buying their products and services.

        Americans fall for it every time. Socialists have won revolutions with the deception.

        Net Neutrality is a side show, its a take over of the Net, the ObamaNet will be just as screwed up as his stimulus spending was, pure corruption and waste.

        Just as screwed up as Obamacare, k street overjoyed.

        While we will lose our freedom of expression on the NET, or it will be so threatening to speak your mind, most will self censor.

        • Just the fact Obama took time off from golf, panting to control the Net, should be enough warning to all, don’t let him do it.

          What has he done that actually worked?

          Everything he touched has turned to crap.

          Did you forget he spent OVER a billion dollars to create one web site a private company could have done for free.

          That was paid to Michele’s buddies.

          And you think the riches of the NET aren’t being coveted by the elite?

          You can stream movies for free, or for pennies. Hated Netflix charges less than $20 a month to stream unlimited movies.

          And you want the government to take it over, turn the experience into the DMV?

          Veteran’s Hospital?


          What does Government run efficiently?

          Nothing. And you want them in your bedroom, Spymaster Obama holding all the keys to every smart tech you use, looking for how it can be used to fleece you.

        • jamson says:

          They don’t release the rules to the public until committee members have a chance to file their post-vote comments. As they have done for decades.

          They DID release the proposals to the ISP’s/lobbying groups ahead of time so they can comment and provide support/opposition notes to committee members.

          This is not ‘ObamaNet’, or anything government related, but a reaction to the lack of competition and choke-hold the biggest ISP’s have on what is arguably mankinds most transformative invention. The FCC will let them keep their choke-hold (no competition) and > 80% profit margins, but won’t let them arbitrate services users want.

          • That’s misdirection, we the public don’t know what the proposals are.

            That special interests do, is anti transparent.

            Like the insurers bribed to support Obama care, regulation will promote the few over the many, crony capitalism just like Obama loves and holds dear.

            Rates will rise, you will pay lots more for content. Kiss the freebies good bye.

            Government never does “social justice” by raising the poor up to a higher standard, they only take down the higher standard, making all equal Venezuelaians.

    • moss says:

      75% of Real Amuricans have a choice of 1 or 0 ISPs. Lots of competition there. With average profit margin 97%.

      Don’t weep too hard. You’ll wake your crocodile wife.

    • NewFormatSux says:

      “At the moment, the battle over network neutrality is not to completely eliminate the telephone and cable companies,” “But the ultimate goal is to get rid of the media capitalists in the phone and cable companies and to divest them from control.” “Our job is to make media reform part of our broader struggle for democracy, social justice, and, dare we say it, socialism.”

    • NewFormatSux says:

      Just as certain ammo will be reclassified as unacceptable, certain sites and ISPs will be reclassified and prevented from publishing statements unpopular with the government. They already have significant cause for coming after this blog, which presumably spends at least $250 to maintain. Under McCain Feingold, regular compliance paperwork must be provided, and certain speech is forbidden.

      • attackwatch.com told us all we needed to know about Obama.

        Take guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens (crooks will love that), and cause everyone to self censor lest the IRS (BLM,FCC,EPA etc) target them (Government crooks will love that).

        Obama is so fundamentally changing America to be like every other nation, it won’t matter if we join the third world, it will be what we deserve.

  2. Just wait till the FCC requires every isp be licensed, and prove their coverage of local events justifies their continued operation.

    And guess who will arbiter their worthiness, the same honest brokers at the IRS.

    • jamson says:

      You make no sense. ISP’s have been required to have a license for a very long time.

      • Hell must have frozen over. says:

        Well what do you know. Alfie has come full circle and uses his original nom de plume. Granted his politics and delusion remain the same. Please don’t pester him with facts. It makes him try and think.

      • Typo, I meant websites. They will regulate websites as they do tv stations. Likely bring back the “fairness doctrine.” When having a website is like climbing a mountain, few will do it.

        Just as Obama screwed the economy, so more businesses shut down than are created, because of Government regulation, so will the internet become to complicated for most.

        Free speech definitely hindered.

        • Tim says:

          Yea, as a condition of ‘liscence’ it will probably all devolve to the state of stations being required to supply a never ending stream of PSAs and ‘important’ broadcasts like they treat weather info and the importance of 50 different child saftey seats and bootstomp checkpoint season alerts now.

          It will probably be pushed with technology that serve up online advertising now but by chartered, ‘authorized’ third party (government bootlicks) mouthpieces and illegal to block; I’d expect programs such as Adblock and NoScript to be taboo under this regimine.

          • NewFormatSux says:

            The PSAs could be substituted by building government preferred messages directly into the plots of TV shows.

          • Tim says:

            Well, then it may not be all that bad; Mabey they’ll come up with some really cool show based on a ‘ticking time bomb’ scenario to glamorize the necessity of torture.

  3. moss says:

    You actually think the 5.56mm is important. That’s for plinkers and wimps.

    I wouldn’t own a rifle under 7.62mm.

    • McCullough says:

      It seems your President would disagree. The Feds have spent a ton of my tax dollars on this bullet.

      Maybe you should be coaching them on the proper ammo to purchase.

      • NewFormatSux says:

        That’s the thing. Armor piercing bullets are pretty useless for hunting.

        • Tim says:

          HA! So are handguns.

        • F.U. says:

          Yes. I agree! Armor piercing bullets are pretty useless.

          SO FUCKING WHAT!

          Large houses, SUV’s and PILES OF MONEY are also pretty useless. That is, unless you USE THEM!

          If your argument against guns, ammo or ANYTHING is based on it’s “usefulness,” not only do you COMPLETELY miss any point of FREEDOM but I submit YOU TOO are pretty USELESS!!!

          • Tim says:

            NFS ‘gets it’, F.U. He’s mocking the false pretense of the ban — Being a contrain is fun for awhile but read more slowly, if that helps.

          • ± says:

            Tim — consider the source which is likely ECA in drag since the post is typed with the same random caps lock keyboard.

    • Greg Allen says:

      >>I wouldn’t own a rifle under 7.62mm.

      7.62? LOL! … that’s for cheezers and metrosexuals.

      I wouln’t own anything less than a surface to air missile.

      • LibertyLover says:


      • F.U. says:

        Well, that explains those stained keyboards, sheets and anything else that missed copulating with a woman.

        You said it. You wouldn’t own anything less than a surface to air missile!

        (BTW, admitting to 7.62mm is less that ten-inches too!)

  4. OmegaProject says:

    Milhous was an amateur!

  5. Doug says:

    Oh no – I am totally against this ( is it is even real)

    You Americans need to increase weapon availability – Every child in every school should be issued hand guns – That will prevent school bullying, and start to wipe the American race out 🙂

    • Egon Ruuda says:

      There is no such thing as the american race yet. Race is a sub-genus of an order of species with differentiating genetical traits. Amerindians is a race however, and why you would want to wipe them out i do not understand.

      America is more of a nation (a group of people that shares common culture, ethnic background and language)

      Btw a place can never be a nation, only people can be a nation. (One of my pet peeves when people use it improperly)

  6. Greg Allen says:


    Oh, please.

    “It’s starting…”


    Despite the right wingers’ freaking out, Obama has done almost nothing for gun control. And this is next to nothing.

    • Phydeau says:

      You forgot about the black helicopters…

    • Not a gun Nut says:

      I happen to live in an area where home invasion is a real threat. So I like the idea of having firearms in my home for just that purpose.

      Perhaps if your home is invaded and your family threatened, you can just try to reason with them, like a good liberal.

      • Phydeau says:

        And if your kid is accidentally killed by your gun, which is much more likely, you can just try to reason with the police, like a good right-winger, and try to avoid a jail sentence.

  7. JDS says:

    OK Fine!. It’s not the end of the world. Isn’t .308 Nato AP also banned. I have some old 30.06 AP and 8MM Mauser AP bought many years ago. And yes I have an AR and some SS109 ammo I never purchased any more due to the cost.

  8. jpfitz says:

    What’s the problem, are the deer now wearing Kevlar.

    Here’s the problem. The P556.


    • F.U. says:

      I said it before and I’ll say it again:


      If your argument against guns, ammo or ANYTHING is based on it’s “usefulness,” not only do you COMPLETELY miss any point of FREEDOM but I submit YOU TOO are pretty USELESS!!!

      … When can we eliminate YOU?!

      • jpfitz says:

        Hey Fuck You…Do the targets have Kevlar protection?

        I have nothing against guns, I enjoy target shooting, I grew up with guns. I don’t see a need for assault type pistols that are easily concealable that fire through police Kevlar.

        If you think you have the right to conceal carry an assault pistol that fires armor piercing bullets you are NUTS. Buy your SIG P556, I could care less, but you don’t need armor piercing capabilities with an assault pistol.

        When can we get rid of idiots like you who don’t fully understand the second amendment.

        • Tim says:

          It would be pretty hard for a white man to ‘conceal’ that ten-inch barreled thing, liscense or not. I guess, my preferred weapon for in-home defense would be a good ol’ shot gun so they probably go next. Handguns have their place though I’m not sure about the deterrent value for self-protection of ‘concealed’.

          I still think this is some kind of ‘ploy’; Hunters would want a bullet that goes ‘splat’. It is practicing for proficiency for some repeatability at said ‘splat’ point in jeopardy here in that it just got considerably more hard to obtain and expensive.

        • LibertyLover says:

          When can we get rid of idiots like you who don’t fully understand the second amendment.

          The purpose of the 2nd Amendment is not hunting.

          The purpose of the 2nd Amendment is to put the government in its place should it get uppity. That is why we need the same level of firepower as the government.

          Read your history!

          • jpfitz says:

            The police do not use armor piercing bullets, frangible yes. Military’s are not supposed to use frangible, armor piercing, hell yes.

            There are many ways to kill. The writers of the 2nd Amendment had no idea we’d invent such weapons. Armor punching cop killer bullets are dead wrong.

          • NewFormatSux says:

            Clueless jp, pretty much any ammo used for hunting or in rifles will rip thru cop armor.

            The purpose of the ban on armor-piercing is to take away armor piercing ammo that is used in concealable handguns.

            This reclassified ammo does not meet that standard, nor does it meet the metal construction standard in the law.

          • LibertyLover says:

            The writers of the 2nd Amendment had no idea we’d invent such weapons.

            To believe that, you would have to assume the Founding Fathers were morons. To think they could not have envisioned technological advancement is naive and wishful thinking. It’s like saying the 1st and 4th Amendments do not apply to radio, television, the internet, iPhones, digital communications, etc.

            The belton flintlock could fire 4 rounds a second with a single pull of the trigger. 1777

            The girandoni rifle: 22 rounds in 30 seconds. Thomas Jefferson gave one to Lewis and Clark. 1779

            Puckle gun: 60 years BEFORE the Revolutionary War. 1718

            Pepperbox revolvers: 50 years BEFORE the Revoluntionary War.

            The Founding Fathers not only liked advanced weaponry, they encouraged its use. Read President Madison’s marque and reprisal. http://1812privateers.org/United%20States/PRINCE/usmarq.html

            The Founding Fathers borrowed the cannon used during the Revolutionary War from PRIVATE citizens.

            The 2nd Amendment was meant to keep the citizens relevant as a militia, not to ensure they could put food on the table. You keep screaming about cop killing bullets. What about foreign invasions? You damned sure want to ensure the people can defend the country from all enemies, foreign AND domestic.

  9. Greg Allen says:

    Here is the dirty secret the gun and ammo industry doesn’t want you to know:

    Unless you are walking around locked, loaded _and aimed_, guns suck for self-defence.

  10. jpfitz says:

    Like I said in my first comment. No AR or AK pistols should fire armor piercing bullets. Forget all of the bullshit above. Some of you gun nutters are thick. Why not legalize auto AR’s and AK’s? Cops got them. Level the field you numb nuts. The founders would not expect citizens to carry conceal any assault AR pistol with cop killer bullets loaded.

    Yeah a deer round is powerful, but shot from a rifle. Not a pistol. Try to carry conceal a large caliber Winchester rifle.

    • LibertyLover says:

      The legal system disagrees with you.

      Unfortunately, they taxed them out of existence and stopped the manufacture and import of them.

      Oh, you can own one…if you can find it.

    • NewFormatSux says:

      Yet the picture you posted was of a gun that was not concealable.

      • jpfitz says:

        The P556 would fit under a coat, and in a sling back pack. So it’s concealable and easily accessible, like a standard handgun, but still a lot of fire power for it’s size.

        I think some of you guys take The Walking Dead series too seriously.

  11. jpfitz says:

    Liberty, what about a foreign invasion, what’s the billions spent on our military for.

    Tell me your gonna fight in some ragtag militia against our govt. Good luck when the A-10 starts firing at ya. That’s just an old plane, now add the rest of our military’s highly advanced weaponry.

    • LibertyLover says:

      what’s the billions spent on our military for

      It’s to protect other countries (don’t you read the news?). I would hate to see a full-scale invasion of the US. Our military is scattered all around the world.

      Tell me your gonna fight in some ragtag militia against our govt. Good luck when the A-10 starts firing at ya.

      Seems to me the militias overseas have been keeping our military busy for close to 30 years. Not bad for a bunch of camel jockies with AKs.

      • jpfitz says:

        No boots, just some advisors and drone strikes. They are a joke compared to 5 million of Arab states soldiers surrounding them.

        The FUD on the news is getting to you, Keep Calm and Carry On.

        • LibertyLover says:

          If that’s what helps you sleep at night.

          • jpfitz says:

            Hey Liberty I have no problem with citizens owning firearms. I like guns, shooting at cans is fun, shooting at bulls eyes is fun. I love the smell of gunpowder in the morning.

            I agree with you on a lot of your points during this discussion and others. Just not about the concealed carry of these new weapons with these bullets we are discussing.


            He is a fellow with a smart idea for firing the new P556.


          • jpfitz says:

            Oops, here’s the clickable link.


          • Tim says:

            That video is neat. He points out that it can legally be ‘concealed’ in a vehicle — ‘Stowable’ is probably a better word.

            I want that gun, daddy.

          • LibertyLover says:

            Plinking is not the purpose of the 2nd Amendment.

            If you have a problem with cops coming into your house without a moment’s notice or without a warrant, then you should have a problem with restrictions on bearing arms.

            “Shall not be infringed” is pretty clear.

      • Tim says:

        Interesting, LL. I’m torn here in that I would not want to be in a ‘red dawn’ scenario without well armed and trained little buddies. Yet when there is defacto Delta Force, ST6, et al. to man checkpoints and write tickets, tell me not to swim in the dirty water or drive during inclement weather, and routinely protect pot smokers from their poodles, I become confused on the working definition of standing army; I’m made to feel threatened here at home.

        I thought there was original intent that such a situation was forbidden so as not to be tempted to bring military might against the citizenry. A ‘standing army’ was forbidden though a standing navy was required.

        I guess, the next time I’m saftey-checked by a bunch of goons piling out the back of an MRAP I’ll just have to pretend it is a boat.

        • LibertyLover says:

          Yeah. Most of that went out the window at the conclusion of the Civil War.

          But seeing as we have one now, we need to ensure it is not turned against us.

      • jpfitz says:

        We are protecting our energy interests, nothing more.
        If you believed Saddam had WMD’s then you were fooled.

        • LibertyLover says:

          Did you read my post?

          I didn’t say “the last 30 days.” I said the last 30 years (when it probably should have been longer).

        • MikeN says:

          He did. The US bought 400 sarin rockets in one purchase, so it wasn’t even a little here and a little there.

          If we just wanted to protect energy interests, then invading Iraq was unnecessary, and instead the US would allow oil-less Israel to be overrun.

    • NewFormatSux says:

      The government should fear its people, not the other way around.


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