It’s starting. As promised, President Obama is using executive actions to impose gun control on the nation, targeting the top-selling rifle in the country, the AR-15 style semi-automatic, with a ban on one of the most-used AR bullets by sportsmen and target shooters. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives this month revealed that it is proposing to put the ban on 5.56 mm ammo

Heck, its only a “certain type” of ammunition, he wouldn’t dare take it any farther than that, Right?

    • NewFormatSux says:

      I bet snopes thinks the FCC actions have no input from Obama either. The DOJ action to investigate George Zimmerman was just random law and order activity. None of these have anything to do with Obama.

    • jpfitz says:

      The Washington Examiner is a political magazine way on the right, in line with Faux News.

  1. moss says:

    You actually think the 5.56mm is important. That’s for plinkers and wimps.

    I wouldn’t own a rifle under 7.62mm.

    • McCullough says:

      It seems your President would disagree. The Feds have spent a ton of my tax dollars on this bullet.

      Maybe you should be coaching them on the proper ammo to purchase.

      • NewFormatSux says:

        That’s the thing. Armor piercing bullets are pretty useless for hunting.

        • F.U. says:

          Yes. I agree! Armor piercing bullets are pretty useless.

          SO FUCKING WHAT!

          Large houses, SUV’s and PILES OF MONEY are also pretty useless. That is, unless you USE THEM!

          If your argument against guns, ammo or ANYTHING is based on it’s “usefulness,” not only do you COMPLETELY miss any point of FREEDOM but I submit YOU TOO are pretty USELESS!!!

          • ± says:

            Tim — consider the source which is likely ECA in drag since the post is typed with the same random caps lock keyboard.

    • Greg Allen says:

      >>I wouldn’t own a rifle under 7.62mm.

      7.62? LOL! … that’s for cheezers and metrosexuals.

      I wouln’t own anything less than a surface to air missile.

      • LibertyLover says:


      • F.U. says:

        Well, that explains those stained keyboards, sheets and anything else that missed copulating with a woman.

        You said it. You wouldn’t own anything less than a surface to air missile!

        (BTW, admitting to 7.62mm is less that ten-inches too!)

  2. OmegaProject says:

    Milhous was an amateur!

  3. Doug says:

    Oh no – I am totally against this ( is it is even real)

    You Americans need to increase weapon availability – Every child in every school should be issued hand guns – That will prevent school bullying, and start to wipe the American race out 🙂

    • Egon Ruuda says:

      There is no such thing as the american race yet. Race is a sub-genus of an order of species with differentiating genetical traits. Amerindians is a race however, and why you would want to wipe them out i do not understand.

      America is more of a nation (a group of people that shares common culture, ethnic background and language)

      Btw a place can never be a nation, only people can be a nation. (One of my pet peeves when people use it improperly)

  4. Greg Allen says:


    Oh, please.

    “It’s starting…”


    Despite the right wingers’ freaking out, Obama has done almost nothing for gun control. And this is next to nothing.

    • Phydeau says:

      You forgot about the black helicopters…

    • Not a gun Nut says:

      I happen to live in an area where home invasion is a real threat. So I like the idea of having firearms in my home for just that purpose.

      Perhaps if your home is invaded and your family threatened, you can just try to reason with them, like a good liberal.

      • Phydeau says:

        And if your kid is accidentally killed by your gun, which is much more likely, you can just try to reason with the police, like a good right-winger, and try to avoid a jail sentence.

  5. JDS says:

    OK Fine!. It’s not the end of the world. Isn’t .308 Nato AP also banned. I have some old 30.06 AP and 8MM Mauser AP bought many years ago. And yes I have an AR and some SS109 ammo I never purchased any more due to the cost.

  6. jpfitz says:

    What’s the problem, are the deer now wearing Kevlar.

    Here’s the problem. The P556.


    • F.U. says:

      I said it before and I’ll say it again:


      If your argument against guns, ammo or ANYTHING is based on it’s “usefulness,” not only do you COMPLETELY miss any point of FREEDOM but I submit YOU TOO are pretty USELESS!!!

      … When can we eliminate YOU?!

      • jpfitz says:

        Hey Fuck You…Do the targets have Kevlar protection?

        I have nothing against guns, I enjoy target shooting, I grew up with guns. I don’t see a need for assault type pistols that are easily concealable that fire through police Kevlar.

        If you think you have the right to conceal carry an assault pistol that fires armor piercing bullets you are NUTS. Buy your SIG P556, I could care less, but you don’t need armor piercing capabilities with an assault pistol.

        When can we get rid of idiots like you who don’t fully understand the second amendment.

        • LibertyLover says:

          When can we get rid of idiots like you who don’t fully understand the second amendment.

          The purpose of the 2nd Amendment is not hunting.

          The purpose of the 2nd Amendment is to put the government in its place should it get uppity. That is why we need the same level of firepower as the government.

          Read your history!

          • jpfitz says:

            The police do not use armor piercing bullets, frangible yes. Military’s are not supposed to use frangible, armor piercing, hell yes.

            There are many ways to kill. The writers of the 2nd Amendment had no idea we’d invent such weapons. Armor punching cop killer bullets are dead wrong.

          • NewFormatSux says:

            Clueless jp, pretty much any ammo used for hunting or in rifles will rip thru cop armor.

            The purpose of the ban on armor-piercing is to take away armor piercing ammo that is used in concealable handguns.

            This reclassified ammo does not meet that standard, nor does it meet the metal construction standard in the law.

          • LibertyLover says:

            The writers of the 2nd Amendment had no idea we’d invent such weapons.

            To believe that, you would have to assume the Founding Fathers were morons. To think they could not have envisioned technological advancement is naive and wishful thinking. It’s like saying the 1st and 4th Amendments do not apply to radio, television, the internet, iPhones, digital communications, etc.

            The belton flintlock could fire 4 rounds a second with a single pull of the trigger. 1777

            The girandoni rifle: 22 rounds in 30 seconds. Thomas Jefferson gave one to Lewis and Clark. 1779

            Puckle gun: 60 years BEFORE the Revolutionary War. 1718

            Pepperbox revolvers: 50 years BEFORE the Revoluntionary War.

            The Founding Fathers not only liked advanced weaponry, they encouraged its use. Read President Madison’s marque and reprisal. http://1812privateers.org/United%20States/PRINCE/usmarq.html

            The Founding Fathers borrowed the cannon used during the Revolutionary War from PRIVATE citizens.

            The 2nd Amendment was meant to keep the citizens relevant as a militia, not to ensure they could put food on the table. You keep screaming about cop killing bullets. What about foreign invasions? You damned sure want to ensure the people can defend the country from all enemies, foreign AND domestic.

  7. Greg Allen says:

    Here is the dirty secret the gun and ammo industry doesn’t want you to know:

    Unless you are walking around locked, loaded _and aimed_, guns suck for self-defence.

  8. jpfitz says:

    Like I said in my first comment. No AR or AK pistols should fire armor piercing bullets. Forget all of the bullshit above. Some of you gun nutters are thick. Why not legalize auto AR’s and AK’s? Cops got them. Level the field you numb nuts. The founders would not expect citizens to carry conceal any assault AR pistol with cop killer bullets loaded.

    Yeah a deer round is powerful, but shot from a rifle. Not a pistol. Try to carry conceal a large caliber Winchester rifle.

    • LibertyLover says:

      The legal system disagrees with you.

      Unfortunately, they taxed them out of existence and stopped the manufacture and import of them.

      Oh, you can own one…if you can find it.

    • NewFormatSux says:

      Yet the picture you posted was of a gun that was not concealable.

      • jpfitz says:

        The P556 would fit under a coat, and in a sling back pack. So it’s concealable and easily accessible, like a standard handgun, but still a lot of fire power for it’s size.

        I think some of you guys take The Walking Dead series too seriously.

  9. jpfitz says:

    Liberty, what about a foreign invasion, what’s the billions spent on our military for.

    Tell me your gonna fight in some ragtag militia against our govt. Good luck when the A-10 starts firing at ya. That’s just an old plane, now add the rest of our military’s highly advanced weaponry.

    • LibertyLover says:

      what’s the billions spent on our military for

      It’s to protect other countries (don’t you read the news?). I would hate to see a full-scale invasion of the US. Our military is scattered all around the world.

      Tell me your gonna fight in some ragtag militia against our govt. Good luck when the A-10 starts firing at ya.

      Seems to me the militias overseas have been keeping our military busy for close to 30 years. Not bad for a bunch of camel jockies with AKs.

      • jpfitz says:

        No boots, just some advisors and drone strikes. They are a joke compared to 5 million of Arab states soldiers surrounding them.

        The FUD on the news is getting to you, Keep Calm and Carry On.

        • LibertyLover says:

          If that’s what helps you sleep at night.

          • jpfitz says:

            Hey Liberty I have no problem with citizens owning firearms. I like guns, shooting at cans is fun, shooting at bulls eyes is fun. I love the smell of gunpowder in the morning.

            I agree with you on a lot of your points during this discussion and others. Just not about the concealed carry of these new weapons with these bullets we are discussing.


            He is a fellow with a smart idea for firing the new P556.


          • jpfitz says:

            Oops, here’s the clickable link.


          • LibertyLover says:

            Plinking is not the purpose of the 2nd Amendment.

            If you have a problem with cops coming into your house without a moment’s notice or without a warrant, then you should have a problem with restrictions on bearing arms.

            “Shall not be infringed” is pretty clear.

      • jpfitz says:

        We are protecting our energy interests, nothing more.
        If you believed Saddam had WMD’s then you were fooled.

        • LibertyLover says:

          Did you read my post?

          I didn’t say “the last 30 days.” I said the last 30 years (when it probably should have been longer).

        • MikeN says:

          He did. The US bought 400 sarin rockets in one purchase, so it wasn’t even a little here and a little there.

          If we just wanted to protect energy interests, then invading Iraq was unnecessary, and instead the US would allow oil-less Israel to be overrun.

    • NewFormatSux says:

      The government should fear its people, not the other way around.


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