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Signs were spotted in front of buildings with the names of Cheryl and Haim Saban, who hosted HILLary Clinton’s fundraiser yesterday and Steven Spielberg who also has contributed greatly to Clinton’s campaign.

Just in case.



  1. Mr Diesel - Libertarian says:

    I can’t wait until she strokes out at one of her functions.

  2. Johnathan says:

    Shame on you Mr. Diesel.

    But better if it happened then than 2 weeks into her reign, then we end up with some motherfucker I have never even heard of.

  3. Johnathan says:

    Wikileaks: Hillary’s Advisors Contacted NFL Commish to Ask About Her “Cracked Head”

    Hillary Clinton adviser Philippe Reines at the State Department contacted the NFL Commissioner in 2012 to inquire about severe head injuries.

    Hillary Clinton thanked Reines and added, “Having a cracked head is no fun at all.”

    http://thegatewaypundit.com/2016/08/wikileaks-hillarys-advisors-contacted-nfl-commish-ask-cracked-head/

  4. Johnathan, ending up with a candidate you’ve never heard about can be for better in current situation. Don’t you think?

    • Johnathan says:

      You have a point. Anyone other than #CrookedHillary would be better.

      Even Trump.

  5. Mr Diesel - Libertarian says:

    Hey look Obomba is touring LA.

    Guess he found out the airport isn’t big enough for his usual ride. He had to come in on a smaller plane.

  6. NewFormatSux says:

    That’s one of two alternative images people can see in the Hillary logo.

    They really should have thought it thru.
    Trump-Pence fixed theirs quickly.

  7. bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

    I’ll say it again: Hillary will lie, cheat, and steal herself a fortune while in and after office. But at most it would only be a Billion or so.

    Trump on the other hand is promising Trillions in tax breaks for “his class” so that he can personally benefit a few 10’s of Millions of Dollars.

    On a purely economic basis….I much prefer the outcome/impact from Hillary.

    Any of you anti-Hillary’s have anything against her besides mindless talking points?

    • Johnathan says:

      Seems pretty obvious:

      Hillary will lie, cheat, and steal herself a fortune while in and after office.

      And possibly murder her political enemies. It’s the murdering that’s a deal killer more than the lying, cheating and stealing.

      I’m funny that way.

      • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

        I’m not funny “your” way.

        I would much rather have Trillions of Dollars NOT stolen from my society and have a few strangers who are close friends of Hillary get killed for that association.

        I’m very Dexter that way.

        • Johnathan says:

          At least you’re not in denial. But I can’t support it. When it gets this bad, its time for a real, painful sort of change.

          But Americans are too soft for that, and I’m too old.

          • jpfitz says:

            Can you politely explain, “when it gets this bad”, quote. What is bad? There is a Islamic invasion of the west, bad, yes…very bad.

            I don’t think that was your meaning though.

          • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

            Good thought jp. Typical Pukes: no ideas, just moaning, groaning, bitching and pissing.

            Heh, heh…with Trump’s success in the building trades in mafia controlled Brooklyn…I would be surprised if there are not bodies in his past and the occasional touch to the nose for those in the know.

          • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

            Thank you. Yes…I’m not in denail, hence the pragmatism.

            Know who IS in denial?

            Ha, ha.

            Stoopid Hoomans. And by that, I do mean Pukes.

          • Johnathan says:

            @jpfitz, I was talking about the state of politics being so bad that we are forced to choose between a Mussolini and Hitler. i.e. no choice whatsoever.

            Except for the pragmatic bobbo, who will vote for whoever keeps his handouts coming to him, even though we all know he could be a contributing member of society, instead of a parasite.

          • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

            Jonnieboi: Good analysis except this is NOT a choice between Hitler and Mussolini. If that is the only analogy to demonstrate a choice between two bad choices, then you have a paucity of education, thinking skill, imagination or some combo thereof.

            For the correct analysis…see my “I’ll say again” above…as I don’t wish to say it again.

            Sucks to be you. A lot of that going around these days. Speaking of being a parasite, watching the news, if I were a brain sucking amoeba, I’d starve to death populated by WingNut denizens as this forum is.

        • Johnathan says:

          Bobbo goes Full Retard again.

          You can “say” it as many times as you want. But your analysis needs analysis. To vote for this criminal is against everones interests in the long term. But you wont be around long enough to feel the pain.

          Now get off your ass, go to the mailbox, get your welfare check, and thank me and the other people here over 60 who are still working so you can sit home and play armchair philosopher.

          Loser.

    • NewFormatSux says:

      If Hillary is getting a billion, then the people who gave her that billion will be getting so much more. Already, they have gotten uranium mining rights for the Russians, Indonesians made money by keeping competitors resources out of the market when Bill was running for reelection.

      • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

        Not the same thing as tax breaks for the already too rich to be paid for by ripping the social safety net apart.

        Try to pay attention, keep up, or whatever your major malfunction is.

        • NewFormatSux says:

          You are the one not paying attention, using the same talking points you’ve been using for decades. Republican pundits have to grit their teeth listening to a Trump speech, they disagree with almost all of it. If Tim Kaine were the nominee at least 90% of the writers at National Review and Weekly Standard and the ilk would vote for Kaine over Trump.

          No one has any idea what Trump would do on taxes, despite his policies listed on his website or what he says in his speeches.

          He is clearly more likely to tax hedge funds than Hillary.

          If Trump were as you proclaimed, lots of Republicans can get behind him.
          However, the reality is that he is more likely that Hillary to pass a carbon tax, and get it thru Congress. His calling it a hoax, is just saying what he thinks Republican voters want to hear.
          Same with gun control. The NRA endorsed Trump, but there is a chance they could end up with an even worse situation under President Trump than Clinton. However, even though they are single issue endorsers, they still had to endorse Trump because of the certain damage Hillary would do in certain states and at the federal level.

          • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

            You have your crystal ball working over time again. Trump SAYS global warming is a Chinese Hoax but you know he’s for a Carbon Tax?

            Just how do you do it?

          • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

            Darn…THE REASON Pukes are against Trump is not because of his fiscal and tax policies nor even his racist and xenophobic BS…BUT RATHER: his complete incompetency at running for office. So bad…he’s putting the downstream candidates at risk.

            He’s pro Rich Guy because he’s a Rich guy. He’s anti-poor because…he’s a Rich guy. See the consistency?

            He’s anti-Wall Street/HedgeFund/Banksters=====>NOT because he is “against them” but because he is JEALOUS.

            Odd he does favor Social Security. I wonder how he fell into that?

            Such a whore for publicity. a real human failure fully on display….as is Hillary. All power hungry as the cat bird seat for their limitless greed.

            Horrible.

          • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

            Well said Pedro.

          • NewFormatSux says:

            I don’t KNOW he’s for a carbon tax. Just less sure he’s against than lots of other candidates. He is more likely to produce one than Hillary, in an Only Nixon Can Go To China way.

          • NewFormatSux says:

            >BUT RATHER: his complete incompetency at running for office.

            That’s what had liberals so angry. After all the Hollywood movies and what they tell themselves, the real life Bulworth is a Republican.

          • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

            NFS: The “Only Nixon can do it” meme is about a person who has a long established record doing the opposite of what his history would indicate. the only such position Trump could represent is if he would : STFU. Score: NFS–Minus 1, Common Sense and Reality–+1.

            You don’t KNOW Trumps mind, but state your drivel as a fact. STFU. Score: NFS–Minus 1, Common Sense and Reality–+1.

            When challenged on point regarding Trumps incohate state of rat droppings, you own up and tell the truth: STFU. Score: NFS–+1 Common Sense and Reality–NA.

            Real life Bullworth..another meme regarding a Politician running for office ((this puts you in the ballpark)) who tells the truth. Trump does just the opposite. You appear to be confusing being “outrageous” with being truthful. STFU. Score: NFS–Minus 2, Common Sense and Reality–NA.

            I’d say “do the math” but you show no ability to do so. Sucks to be you.

          • NewFormatSux says:

            The point of Bulworth was not just truth-telling. They did that on The West Wing too. It was that he did it in a vulgar way.

          • NewFormatSux says:

            Only Nixon can go to China is not quite based on a long established record, but that he has built up the trust of the anti-Communists. I think Trump has done this on immigration, Muslims, gun control by getting the NRA’s earliest ever endorsement. Maybe not on global warming.

            You say I don’t know Trump’s mind, which is what I said, ” Nobody has any idea what Trump will do…”
            Yet you declare categorically he is like all the Republicans who oppose him.

  8. Bozo says:

    Probably at a Pop art show, where they are carving another Trump dummy up…

  9. jpfitz says:

    @Johnathon, Holding our collective noses and voting for a POTUS, Is Very Bad. Agreed. You may like the image in the link. I am not a Trumper or a Clintonite. My arm will have to get used to pinching my nose for a long time, both candidates stink.

    https://kulturcritic.wordpress.com/the-symbolism-of-evil/

    • Johnathan says:

      Yes fitz, the picture says it all, and the paragraph below it.

      “The situation is now perfectly clear. We are fully aware that Hillary Rodham Clinton will do literally anything for power and money. She will lie, cheat, steal, murder, and even sleep with the enemy in order to satisfy her insatiable appetite, her purely self-regarding lust for power and recognition. She has demonstrated on countless occasions and in exhausting detail that she has no concern for other persons or for the natural world, but an unrestrained self-love that forecloses on the possibility of caring for anyone or anything else. She is a classic sociopath from the word go.”

      Yeah…..uh, I’m not pulling the lever for that. Not even if I’m wearing 2 gas masks. Sorry.

      I’ll just have to be content in cancelling out bobbo the retards vote.

      • jpfitz says:

        Two gas masks…lol.

        The vote cancellation contentment is not to be considered, everyone has a vote. Contentment leads to complacency, something not affordable this election cycle.

        I’ve know bobbo for a long time. We are both humanists and bobbo is no retard. You may not agree with one’s politics, that is a personal set of ideals. The left today appears to actually be DT.

        I read too many vile monkey shit throwing comments here and elsewhere. Not attractive or intelligent.

        • Milwaukee Bob says:

          “I read too many vile monkey shit throwing comments here and elsewhere. Not attractive or intelligent.”

          Too true, you should have a word with your buddy bobbo about that. He truly is the king of poo flinging. It elicits a response in kind whether you like it or not.

          • Luis says:

            I would like to add that I am a little surprised that the moderators of this forum haven’t banned him completely. I know for a fact that many commenters have left this blog because of his behavior.

  10. Passing Thoughts says:

    I love honest corporations that do well. I buy their stock and do quite nicely. My employer matches 50%. Nice return on my investment. Then compounding kicks in and it gets even better!

    That’s how the middle class accelerates away from those who buy lottery tickets and cigarettes instead. It’s not magic. It’s also how the honest rich get even richer. If you can’t beat’em, own a piece of ’em!

    So all “rich” people aren’t evil. The problem is separating them from the cheating rat bastards that make money purely at the expense and misery of others. Lawyers and politicians dominate. I don’t care if a few top execs at honest corporations are overpaid. As long as they perform and their stock does well.

    —————

    Now, if you’re under-employed, that’s truly unfortunate because you are unable to show the world all you can do and participate in personal economic growth.

    If you’re unemployed and want to work, that’s a tragedy. Our next POTUS needs to fix this, FAST.

    If you have no skills, what happened? Get some. Flipping burgers is not career.

    It’s all about jobs and SKILLS. And not just free college. Can you imagine how much bloated colleges and universities will gouge the taxpayer if it’s “free” and run by our government? English 101 should NEVER cost this much:

    https://finaid.georgetown.edu/cost-per-credit-by-program

    So don’t be jealous of people better off than you financially. They may have a miserable life and you may be happy. However, always demand equal opportunity and have some skin in the game.

    • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

      The Puke koolaid on display: “That’s how the middle class accelerates away from those who buy lottery tickets and cigarettes instead.” Yes, as long as there is someone below you on the ladder you can put your boot on…you don’t even notice the boot on your own neck.

      with you stock portfolio matching employer provide your own Horatio Rags to Riches story, I bet you don’t recognize White Privilege at all….. made it all on your own didn’t you Buckie.

      sucks to be you. Such a waste of intellect.

      • Mr Diesel - Libertarian says:

        Every single time a liberal/progressive is losing an argument race gets thrown in just to make them feel superior. White privilege. As smart as you think you are bobbo that is about a stupid a comeback as I have seen you make.

        What’s next? Bring our old buddy Dallas into your diatribe and call everyone homophobic?

        Come one, use your brain for something other than a speed bump.

        • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

          Every single time a liberal/progressive is losing an argument race gets thrown in just to make them feel superior. /// —or— when an argument is made that wreaks of white privilege, it makes sense to notice it in passing.

          White privilege. As smart as you think you are bobbo that is about a stupid a comeback as I have seen you make. /// You missed my comeback to Pedro?

          What’s next? Bring our old buddy Dallas into your diatribe and call everyone homophobic? //// I miss Dallas. Always good to have that alt-view. I think much like Phydeaux…he just got tired of the same BS with EVERY post. You WingNuts are very taxing in that boorish way. When a post is made as homophobic as this post was White Privilege…. of course it will be highlighted.

          Come one, use your brain for something other than a speed bump. //// Ah….blessed imitation. Thank you Mr. D.

          Anything “substantive” to say, or is it kneejerk and ab hominem all the way down?

          • Mr Diesel - Libertarian says:

            Nothing special, just flattering your con/inflated ego.

            I miss Dallas as well.

        • NewFormatSux says:

          Umm, aren’t the people buying lottery tickets and cigarettes mostly white?

          • Passing Thoughts says:

            Maybe, and certainly when measured as an absolute number.

            But why did you mention “white”?

            I didn’t.

            Are you stereotyping? Is that important to you?

        • NewFormatSux says:

          One writer on the Journolist to the group:

          “Let’s call somebody a racist. Fred Barnes, whoever.”

      • ± says:

        bobbo believes in the made up concept “white privilege”. And he wants to be take seriously.

        Haaahahahaahahaheheheheheheheehar. 🙄

        • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

          Oh PM===it certainly continues to suck to be you. There are Pros and Cons to all we think. Imagine for a moment that White Privilege is an acknowledgement of all that your forefathers have done FOR YOU. When you negate White Privilege because you view it ONLY AS a give away program to Blacks, or an excuse card for Blacks to remain shiftless….then you are at the same time failing to understand the hard work and sacrifice made by your own parents to provide you with food, clothing, shetlter, medical, education, freedom and so forth.

          Poor old Wingnuts….can only focus on 1/10th of an idea at a time when most Big Ideas…are just that. More than 1/10th of an idea and you clowns have difficulty with the 10%.

          Ha, ha. One thing your parents didn’t provide: books on History, Sociology, and Culture along with a dictionary. Or perhaps the encourgement to read them and think about it. Course…if you are just aping what your family or peer group taught you….then that is YOUR white privilege….WHAT? You think its all good?

          No….thats not it at all.

          Silly Hoomans.

          • ± says:

            Like I said and you just proved. And you probably believe in the concept of “hate crime” and “white guilt” and are concerned with being “politically correct”. What’s next, “The Tooth Fairy”? For sure it will be whatever new bullshit concept liberals invent in their effort to control behavior to conform to some lie. You can’t possibly be taken seriously.

          • Mr Diesel - Libertarian says:

            You can’t say fairy.

          • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

            Suuuuurpiiiise, Suuuuurrrprissee: no substantive response t all.

            Hate crimes: are defined by law. You can disagree they should or should not be…but not the fact of their existence. I know: you don’t make THAT distinction.

            White Guilt: I disagree. No reason anyone should have such guilt, but I do assume some limp wristed liberal do. I don’t…..all the while benefitting from White Privilege…even though I didn’t grow up in the USA.

            Being politically correct is hit and miss. I enjoy having my prejudices challenged AND CONFIRMED. We’d have to go issue by issue. I know: the world and my society are not just about affirming MY OPINIONS: ME, ME, ME 24/7 regardless of subject. Poor childish Pukes….the world is not about just you. Other people do have their own histories and stories to tell.

            Tooth fairy? I’ll wager even you don’t have an idea as to what that means….words just tumble out of your mouth…as in a spasm. As Pedro likes to say, a paroxysm of gesticulated unthinking dog whistles.

            P/M….you are weak. Rarely do you have a good idea.

            Yes…. it sucks to be you.

      • Passing Thoughts says:

        Actually, I see White Privilege as an aging crutch used by the Grievance Industry to keep their franchise business alive (free enterprise, but misdirected).

        Does it suck to be you?

        • jpfitz says:

          Wow, you are really white, unless, you tan well in the sun.

          The diatribe above tells alot about what you think of yourself. Big man on campus, huh.

        • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

          Well PT: nothing but verbal masturbation on your part. You like the way your mouth feels when you wiggle your tongue, but thats all there is.

          Can White Privilege (WP) be “aging” anything when it is used by BOTH sides to whip up their bases? Hint: No.

          So again, as always: NOTHING SUBSTANTIVE.

          So often what you unthinking WingNuts do, AS HERE, is simply string together a bunch of words you often don’t understand because they are negative dog whistles. You are moving your lips…but saying nothing. Get a bunch of you types together all baying at the moon: and we got a Trump Rally.

          Hey—we all suck. MEANING: we all could do better with our integration of self actualization, leaving our kiddies a better world, and dealing with reality.

          It doesn’t even bring me pleasure or ego gratification to see so many sucking so much more than I do…it only adds to the inertia if not blockade of what needs to get done to make life better for more of us.

          It does suck that I see it and can’t really do anything about it. But its rewarding to at least understand a part of why things are the way they are: People actually “for” one politician or another. FOR the very policies and actions that take your own hope and dreams away.

          THE ONLY RATIONAL POSITION: is to be against them all and to pick and choose as best we might who is the least harmful to us all. I know, not very affirming. Just the way it is.

          • Passing Thoughts says:

            “You are moving your lips…but saying nothing.”

            … So says the King of Meaningless Rhetoric.

            Analysis: Your compulsion to anti-reply must soothe the voice in your head saying, “You know what he says is true, so just create some Lorem Ipsum, drop in a few keywords, and try to BS your way through this (as always), to make the pain go away.”

            Rather than reply, take a couple Tylenol.

          • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

            As always: no substance.

            Don’t you Pukes have ANY analysis/position at all? Or is it all just “No!”, denial and entrenched ignorance?

            WHITE PRIVILEGE. At its most basic, its simply knowing your own history. AFTER that it branches off as any major idea will. I deny/disagree with a few branches here and there, but I don’t deny the existence of the tree.

            That would be just stoopid.

            Don’t you agree?….See the Trees, if not the forest?

            Like Hate Crime, it is defined:

            White privilege (or white skin privilege) is a term for societal privileges that benefit people identified as white in Western countries, beyond what is commonly experienced by non-white people under the same social, political, or economic circumstances.
            White privilege – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_privilegeWikipedia

            Or….is it your position that Blacks are treated the same as Whites in the USA?

          • ± says:

            bobbo, what universe do you live in? In the real world of the USA, blacks can get anything they want way easier than their white counterparts can. This racism is institutionalized by your government. You are a shill for this racism as you continue to spew your liberal swill.

          • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

            PM—what in the WORLD are you talking about: ” blacks can get anything they want way easier than their white counterparts can. ”

            Every single statistic of success I can think of has whites way ahead of blacks. Death by cops, college graduation rates along with all other grad rates, life expectancy, average income, average family wealth, years married, arrest rates, imprisonment rates, number of Nobel Laureates.

            I mean: what opposite world are YOU living in?

            Living in the BIG LIE from anything I can see.

            But seriously folks: let’s discuss.

            Have you got “anything?”

          • ± says:

            You don’t want to have a discussion. You just want to spew liberal bullshit and read it. I made a true assertion. Here it is again.:

            “In the real world of the USA, blacks can get anything they want way easier than their white counterparts can. ”

            This is “black privilege” as opposed to the imaginary “white privilege”. It is institutionalized racism and codified in many laws.

            You can go ahead and change the subject again¹ or you can address what I said.

          • NewFormatSux says:

            If you account for the higher crime rate(more interactions), death by cops is far more likely for whites.

          • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

            PM===you are joking without indicating your post is pure absurdity……. right?

            NAME any single thing Blacks have an advantage in getting over whites.

            ((I can think of a few…which on second look actually reveal their continued oppression “as a group.”))

            I mean REALLY: you have to have a comeback. Even the KKK will say its Gods Plan for the Blacks to be disfavored…or they blame Darwin that they are genetically inferior…I mean you got to have something more than an unending whine.

            No?…. Yes???? What you got other than attacking me for being liberal?

            Ha, ha……. what a dope.

          • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

            NFS–so, taking your statement at face value ((yes this is accepting the hypothetical just to show you clowns how to do it)) then Blacks have a consistent advantage over Whites in that they will not be shot by cops during interactions with them? Well….if true…. that would be a very beneficial thing. Now: given the non-benefitted position would be to be killed by cops at the same rate as Whites: how many Blacks per year benefit from this difference??? You know: the actual number. Would it be dozens or hundreds?

            Yes, dozens or hundreds of Blacks benefit in FNS world by not being shot at the same rate as Whites.

            Now: how about every other friggin measurement in life? How they doing there or are you ready to suggest they get bank loans for housing at higher rates than whites too?

            ………you know…. hypothetically speaking (where we stand the obvious truth on its head and argue from there).

            Another incredibly stoopid thing to post…if you don’t think it as well.

          • NewFormatSux says:

            Comes down to definitions. Liberals discriminate in favor of blacks, with the government taking this position in many things.
            Blacks are starting from a weaker position. The definition you gave of white privilege doesn’t include that, though lots of people might.
            For example, you mention loans. Blacks and whites get loans equally, when you account for creditworthiness. Government rules mandated some discrimination in favor of blacks, which contributed to/caused the housing collapse.
            If you don’t account for credit quality, then blacks get loans less often. The evidence is that banks are not being racist, as you can see by how often people default on their loans. I remember someone accusing banks of being racist, a rich guy, and I said, well then why don’t you start your own bank? If banks would lend to whites at 6% while charging blacks 10%, you can charge 8% and make a killing.

          • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

            NFS–your credit example is so confused and jumps around so much I can’t really make sense of it.

            Once you start off admitting “Blacks are starting from a weaker position….” then you have defeated the argument that Blacks get “everything” more than Whites.

            White Privilege is different than Racial Discrimination that you have totally mixed up.

            Not worth the effort to untwist whatever you have twisted up.

            Neither of us would trade position with a black of equal measure to ourselves however we might do that because we value our white self identity. Blacks often would and do when they can. Why does that happen if advantages were not perceived?

          • NewFormatSux says:

            Banks do not show racism in giving out loans. This has been shown in studies. The difference has nothing to do with race but the quality of the application, which is of course different between the two races.

        • NewFormatSux says:

          Another example of liberals jumping to bring up racism:

          “Killing an endangered gorilla at a zoo for a white boy’s safety is white privilege. If the boy was black they would’ve found a tranquilizer.”

          • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

            Yes…that is an excellent example. Hard to know if true though. such a diffused application needs a larger data base than probably exists for the killing of gorillas in zoos.

            Good thing there are so many real firmly established non-debateable examples.

          • NewFormatSux says:

            Of course it’s not true. It’s just an example of liberals jumping to race and white privilege just as you did.

            In this case it turns out the baby was black.

          • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

            I didn’t jump to it. I responded to the hypothetical and said “if true” and that it was too ambiguous compared to the obvious examples: like home loans.

            You are kneejerking to individual words and not the entire statements.

  11. bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

    NewFormatSpews:
    8/28/2016 at 9:19 am

    Banks do not show racism in giving out loans. This has been shown in studies. The difference has nothing to do with race but the quality of the application, which is of course different between the two races. ///

    A bold statement. I will offer: just the opposite.

    See how that works??? Easy to just “say” anything you want to.

    Redlining for Bank Loans used to be non-racial and purely geographic===except that traps people within the red to non-qualification and the lines are drawn based on racial make up supported by credit worthiness “as a group” which always burdens the individuals within that group.

    I assume the same BS goes on today under the same rationals. I don’t doubt there are studies that show “some” banks don’t discriminate…just as I assume there are studies that show some banks do. But I defy you to show any study that shows banks discriminating against Whites.

    Again: see how that works? No links = not linked…… to reality.

    Sucks to be you.

    • NewFormatSux says:

      If there were discrimination, then you would see blacks defaulting on loans at a lower rate, as banks are only taking the higher quality applicants for their race.

      • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

        So….what is the black vs white home loan default rates?

        ………………………… any idea at all?

        • NewFormatSux says:

          Defaulting at higher rates:
          http://www.responsiblelending.org/mortgage-lending/research-analysis/foreclosures-by-race-and-ethnicity.pdf

          Now this is in response to government incentives/mandates to give out more loans to minorities, done with the CRA reinterpreted by Bill Clinton, and Justice Department conditions placed for approval of mergers. So you would need an older study to get a truer comparison.

          • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

            Excellent info at your link. Worth a close read for anyone interested in the subject.

            You might give it a second read as the link expressly negates and is opposite to the conclusion you post above.

            How did THAT happen?

          • NewFormatSux says:

            Really? They don’t say blacks are defaulting at higher rates?

          • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

            NFS—pants on the ground. if THAT part is there….it must be the second sentence of your post that is relevant?

            Like your own link: too hard to read???

            YOU SAY Blacks default for xyz reasons whereas your link expressly states xyz are NOT the reasons.

            A bias so strong….you can’t even educate your way out of it. “The Persistence of Really Stoopid Ideas.”

            The Right Wing has nothing else.

          • NewFormatSux says:

            Ah I see. Well the study’s authors did not do a good job of educating themselves on the argument being made. ‘CRA was passed 30 years ago’ is a tell. The issue was with the regulatory changes implemented in the mid90s to CRA, when ‘redlining’ stories started propping up everywhere to help sell these changes.
            Mid 90s changes, combined with pressure being placed on banks through local activists, produced more subprime loans, only a small fraction of which the study attributes to CRA.

          • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

            So you agree you read your own link 180 Degrees backasswards?

            Well, thats good, a start anyway. I won’t even go back to check your dates as the point is made. I thought the link myight not fully appreciate the role of “wealth” in avoiding home foreclosures. I have lent family members money in times of need…don’t think Blacks have that backup to the same degree….BUT… the link did say that loss of jobs was not a determinative factor. On its face…I don’t believe it….but I do recognize the issue may be more complicated than my uninformed position.

            My Bias: pragmatism. Cuts thru a lot of BS.

            ………………….. try it.

          • NewFormatSux says:

            No I didn’t read it wrong. If they had covered the issues I raised properly, then you would have a point. It would still be irrelevant to the main point I was making which was that they found blacks with a higher default rate, which is the opposite of what you would expect if they were discriminating against them.

            My secondary point is that the recent lending is more favorable towards blacks due to CRA. This article argues against that, but never grasps the argument properly.

            So if you accept the article then my secondary point is thrown out and my main point is more strongly endorsed.

            I know reading comprehension is hard.

            By the way, I think the article did cover wealth as a factor.

          • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

            Well—you know….just because Blacks aren’t discriminated against in one way, doesn’t mean they aren’t discriminating against in 15 other ways. Did you consider all the possibilities…or stop after one was shown not to be true?

            Regarding wealth…from memory your link said that “income” was not a differentiating factor. Income is wholly different from wealth.

            But I only skimmed real fast….didn’t give it the close study I’m sure you did.

            /////////////// and yes…. you did clearly read it wrong. Even your explanation assumes that….otherwise no BS about “if they had covered the issues..properly….” What a fucktarded response to “facts” that disagree with you.

            Yeah—you have nothing in your world view to correct, modify, or appreciate. Anyone that disagrees with you is wrong.

            So like a nut.


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