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For the last 8 years Republicans did everything they could to make sure Obama failed, even when they agreed with what he wanted. Now the Republicans control the government and they are in charge of making America great rather than making America miserable. And in the last 8 year we went from total economic collapse to doing reasonably well.

Now that Trump is tinkering with Obamacare it is now Trumpcare. If they screw it up it’s on them. And if the Dems won’t help them, that’s on them too. There is an opportunity for Trump to really improve Trumpcare if they remove the law that prohibits the government from negotiating lower drug prices with the big drug companies. But I doubt Trump is man enough to go after Big Pharma the way he goes after women and poor Mexicans. In my mind that will be the real test to see if he’s serious or just some big blowhard clown. But now if Republicans break it, Republicans own it.



  1. Machete says:

    Tim Kaine called for leftists to take to the streets. A few days later Berkeley’s campus is on fire. Idiots burn down there own college.

    Wonderful. Thank the Gods that moron wasn’t elected.

    • NewFormatSux says:

      The rioters aren’t college students but outside agitators called ‘black bloc’

  2. Phydeau says:

    Credit unions are great, I use one too.

    Get ready for another recession…

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/02/03/trump-to-order-rollback-friday-of-regulations-aimed-at-finance-industry-top-aide-says/

    The Dodd-Frank Act, hated by Wall Street and Republican members of Congress, was enacted in the wake of the financial crisis of 2008 that brought on the Great Recession and during the presidential campaign was described derisively by many Republican leaders as “Obamacare for banks.”

    Sure, let’s allow big banks to buy and sell and make risky investments with our money, without supervision. What could go wrong? Oh, another recession like the one in 2008. Right.

    Another great quote:

    Trump’s administration is packed with Wall Street veterans. The actions Cohn described, which were also confirmed by a White House official, represent Trump’s first and most forceful effort to unravel the regulatory legacy of the Obama administration.

    Packed with Wall Street veterans. How’s that feel, wingnuts? Packed with Wall Street veterans. How’s that swampy-drainy thingy working out for ya? Not so good, it seems.

    Feeling that buyer’s remorse yet, wingnuts? You will. You will.

    • NewFormatSux says:

      You ask how’s that swampy drainy while linking to an article that describes draining the swamp.
      Dumping lots of regulations is part of the plan. Last minute regulations are especially easy to do. Not sure how Dodd Frank comes into it since it was passed a long time ago. How old are the rules being repealed?
      Anything within six months can be done with majority vote that cannot be repealed.

      • Phydeau, not actually packed with Wall Street veterans says:

        Just saw this… so cute, NFS! You think a government “packed with Wall Street veterans” is going to clean up Wall Street.

        LOL

        Stupid, naive, conscious Wall Street shill? Only god knows.

    • Machete says:

      Dodd-Frank was a total failure. It needs to go. Repeal and replace failed policy. Read all about it, wingnut.

      https://www.wsj.com/articles/after-five-years-dodd-frank-is-a-failure-1437342607

      • Phydeau, not actually packed with Wall Street veterans says:

        Well knock me over with a feather… the WSJ, published of, by, and for the Wall Street elites, thinks that regulating Wall Street is wrong. Whoda thunk???

    • Machete says:

      Do you research anything before spewing your bullshit?

      The Dodd-Frank Act, signed into law in 2010, was sold to the American people as the solution to our economic woes and the financial crisis that left so many Americans financially insecure. The 2,300 page bill was codified based on the premise that it would promote financial stablity, end too big to fail, and lift our nation’s economy.

      Nearly six years since its enactment, we should look around and ask ourselves if any of Dodd-Frank’s promises have come to fruition. Is our economy more stable? Are taxpayers no longer on the hook for bailouts? And are Americans better off today than they were six years ago? The answer is a resolute no.

      http://cnbc.com/2016/06/23/dodd-frank-has-failed-heres-why-our-plan-is-better-gop-rep-commentary.html

      • Phydeau, not actually packed with Wall Street veterans says:

        Really? Really? Republicans, completely owned by the rich in America (as opposed to the Democrats, only mostly owned) have a plan to save average Americans from the predations of the rich?

        You’re a special kind of stupid, aren’t you? 😀

        Or maybe just a mindless Republican shill?

        Republicans like Too Big To Fail. They can get more government welfare that way. If they fail, they don’t pay the price for their own mistakes, you and I do with government bailouts.

        I continually marvel at how Republicans get non-rich people to vote against their own interests… SMH

        • Phydeau, not actually packed with Wall Street veterans says:

          Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Machete? 😉

  3. Phydeau, packed with Wall Street veterans says:

    Hey bobbo, I’m trying your way of annotating your name… test…

    • Phydeau, packed with Wall Street veterans says:

      LOL it worked! Woohoo! 😀

      • pedro says:

        No wonder it took you this long to find something so easy just now. Rejoice in your liberal idiocy

        • Phydeau, packed with Wall Street veterans says:

          Thanks for your unique contributions to the blog, pedrito! 😉

      • bobbo always ready with a fake nom de flame says:

        Yeah…I started that a few years ago when people were hijacking other peoples names causing a lot of confusion.

        some of the fake names were quite clever but event he good ones were confusing as you didn’t know which of the all stars was responding.

        So….I figure with the constant Lead In…one can tailor the Name with add on’s and get the best of both worlds. For about a year, I changed it with every post I made……. it takes effort. does help to focus the intent of the posting to have a 10 word summary as part of the name.

        Have Fun.

      • bobbo always ready with a fake nom de flame says:

        ……..and “you” are not packed with Wall Street veterans.

        I suggest: Phydeau, noting Trump is packing his cabinet with Wall Street Criminals….. or whatever is floating your boat.

        • NewFormatSux says:

          Yea, only Phydeau could mess that up.

        • NewFormatSux says:

          Phydeau, I didn’t think it was possible for someone to make bobbo look competent. Well done sir!

          • Phydeau, not actually packed with Wall Street veterans says:

            You’re right and I was wrong, NFS… gotta throw you a bone once in a while. 😉

  4. Phydeau, packed with Wall Street veterans says:

    A new prediction:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-to-inherit-more-than-100-court-vacancies-plans-to-reshape-judiciary/2016/12/25/d190dd18-c928-11e6-85b5-76616a33048d_story.html

    This is an article about Trump appointing new judges. Down at the bottom we read…

    But Wheeler warned that there are important limitations to Trump’s power. For one thing, many of the judges most likely to leave their appointments in the coming years were appointed by Republican presidents, meaning there will be fewer opportunities to shift the partisan makeup.

    And perhaps more importantly, 28 of the 50 states will be represented by at least one Democratic senator, including large ones such as California, Florida and New York. Senate leaders have a tradition of considering nominees only if they are supported by both senators representing their state — and Democratic senators are expected to bargain hard with the Trump administration, just as Republican senators did with Obama’s.

    The Republicans in the Senate will ignore this tradition. They will ignore the objections of Democratic senators and appoint whatever judges in their states that Trump wants, regardless of any Democratic objections.

    We’re going to hear the word “unprecedented” a lot for as long as Trump is president. 🙄

    • pedro says:

      Didn’t you predicted that Hillary would win?

      • Phydeau, packed with Wall Street veterans says:

        Pedrito, you are so noble, long after the other wingnuts have fled, you’re still here, doing what you do. Never stop being you! 😉

        • pedro says:

          Here’s a prediction. I predict you’ll keep on making crapfull, pointless, whiny posts.

          How’s that for a prediction?

          • ± says:

            {Allow me to do my part to further the decline of the Dvorak blog.}

            I’ll assert that ‘that’ prediction is right on.

            And of pertinence, a world run and guided by Phydeau’s weltanschauung would fail completely in less than 10 years.

            There. This blog, like the USA is one step closer to failure. And like all bad things that I have ever seen in my life, the sooner the bad thing happens, the better off everyone is.

          • bobbo, we think with words and flower with ideas says:

            so like a rightwingnut to advocate killing something you don’t like rather than making it better.

            It shows …….. in so many ways.

          • pedro says:

            Thus spoke Dumbbathustra

      • NewFormatSux says:

        Yes, and she did win. Here’s Phydeau at the inauguration.

        https://patpgmr.files.wordpress.com/2017/01/hillaryinaugurationcrowd.jpg

    • kerpow says:

      You didn’t answer the question. Just deflection and passive aggressiveness.

      • Phydeau, not actually packed with Wall Street veterans says:

        Dang, I’m slipping… I always try to be actively aggressive! 😛

        But seriously, almost everyone predicted Clinton would win, so what’s your point?

        Great handle there too, but I think it would look better framed with asterisks:

        *kerpow*

  5. Enough Already says:

    Comment #200.

    Start a new discussion. PLEASE.

    • pedro says:

      Just don’t feed Dumbbo nor fido

    • Phydeau, not actually packed with Wall Street veterans says:

      I’m with you EA, but there seems to be nothing that can bring outraged wingnut traffic here. All the major stupid stuff is being done by Trump and the Republicans in Congress. MacCullough has to find some obscure NYU professor to stir up the wingnuts, while ignoring all the f-ups of Trump and congressional Republicans. That won’t work forever.

  6. McCullough says:

    The sanity of the left, 2017. Parents, send your kids to a trade school, they just might make something of themselves. And they wont be enslaved with debt and delusional thought.

    • bobbo, we think with words and flower with ideas says:

      thats a Prof? The Young Turks commented re the Berkeley riot that they were wearing masks and did not identify themselves. ie: no one (ok..as yet) knows who they were.

      ………but yeah: punish 20K people for the actions of a few…… then invade Iraq again.

      any attack on schools is just a continuation of keeping the working class down and destroying the middle class in the avarice for a compliant (ignorant) electorate.

      “First they came for the elite College Crowd……….”

      • Hmeyers says:

        I’m not sure. I’d be inclined to follow the “where there is smoke, there is likely to be fire rule”.

        The University of Missouri turned into a shithole real quick, until some penalties were enacted.

        I’ve not paid a great deal of attention, but if I recall Berkley has had several “out-of-control” rallies in the last 18 months or so.

        One, they were harassing students who tried to break a blockade to get to class. I do not recall what the issue was.

        In the case of the University of Missouri, once they cracked down on the faculty the problem was over.

        • bobbo, we think with words and flower with ideas says:

          Fair comment.

          Now….where there is smoke, and therefore probably fire….would you first douse it with water or with gasoline?

          How does putting the school out of business address Milo being a White Racist Troll?

          And note: Berkeley did not prevent him from speaking (as I understand it). It just advised the Hitler Youth that his safety could not be guaranteed and Milo put his tail between his legs and ran while blaming “liberals” of course.

          I remember the days when Black Panthers went to the podium to speak surround by a phalanx of police to keep the crowd from attacking them.

          Free speech means the government does not stop you from speaking. Not that what you say won’t get you killed. Speech is Speech, Money is Speech, a violent and disapproving response is also Speech…. of a sort.

          • Brian says:

            I see Nazi’s EVERYWHERE!!!!

            You see them too??

          • Thom says:

            Anyone’s RIGHTS end the exact moment that they infringe upon anyone else’s.

          • bobbo, we think with words and flower with ideas says:

            thom: all rights infringe on other rights….sometime, someplace, somehow.

            the hard cases are how to balance the various competing rights.

          • Thom says:

            Give me one example when a group of conservatives, Tea Partiers, or Republicans rioted, looted and ganged up and beat people in the streets.

            Go ahead and use the 60’s as that example, and guess what? Still Democrats.

          • Hmeyers says:

            I think violence has no place being supported.

            Democrats used to be about freedom of expression, violence is wrong, the working class, being color blind, and being politically correct (polite!), education, against wars, against multinational corporations.

            So if I complain about the Democrats a lot, it is because I feel there isn’t a political party that represents liberal values any more (think Howard Dean, Mike Dukakis, Joe Biden, Ed Rendell).

          • Thom says:

            I agree, and it makes me sad. I have been liberal leaning on most things for most of my life. But the level of violence coming from the left is repulsive.

            This will not end well for the Democrats.

    • pedro says:

      The attack of the gay nazi. The left has so lost it!!

    • Next day the professor says:

      “Now students, if you’ll open your books to page 69 we’ll review the physiological effects of having your panties in a wad.”

      “This material WILL be on the test!”

  7. H. Dean says:

    Tuck Frump..

  8. Robert Miller says:

    Does Marc even listen to the No Agenda podcast?

    The ACA is a scam. I paid for my own insurance as a self-employed person for over a decade changing it when I found a plan I liked better. Than ACA came along and promised if you like it you can keep it. Lie. We were forced to join the now corrupt and failed Oregon Health care, and we lost our plan and our cost monthly went up over 70%.

    So ACA can go #$%! itself.

    • ± says:

      And I betcha your deductible is higher and the benefits are less. Just like in my less than 25-50 person company and all other businesses like my company. ACA is a failure nonpareil.

      • bobbo, we think with words and flower with ideas says:

        What you both, and most others, fail to recognize is that your condition “most likely”, as there are exceptions, would be WORSE NOW without the ACA. The ACA got the minimum Republican Support it needed BECAUSE the status quo at that time was x3 inflation premium hikes with people being thrown off their policies left and right.

        THE REASON ACA is “bad” however you might think is because thats what the Pukes demanded in order to get their support.

        Everything is a FAIL until we move to universal coverage as a matter of right….. and for profit medicine is regulated to the niche market it should be.

        Why don’t you guys…………… ever get it?

        • ± says:

          I’m all for universal health care. It’s in all American’s best interest for all of their neighbors and themselves to be healthy and productive. It would pay for itself in increased wealth for the nation and most people.

          This has nothing to do do with the Obamanation that is the ACA. And it totally figures that you would blame it on someone other than the liberals responsible for it.

          It is impossible for your R/Ds to ever implement the correct version of universal health care. So as usual, I’ll stand on the side lines while 100,000,000+ of my countrymen destroy my and their nest every time they hire national politicians.

          PS—- Hey! Didja register checkwithbobbobeforeyouvote.com yet? It’s still available.

        • MikeN says:

          No Republican support, none voted for it, so whatever they demanded in exchange for their support would have been left out.

          And no it wouldn’t have been worse if they hadn’t passed it. That is just a desperate talking point. But you knew that already.

  9. bobbo, we think with words and flower with ideas says:

    Thom deluded in his political bias says:
    2/5/2017 at 3:21 pm

    Give me one example when a group of conservatives, Tea Partiers, or Republicans rioted, looted and ganged up and beat people in the streets. //// Police riots happen so rarely because the Police are so totally in control of the streets.

    Go ahead and use the 60’s as that example, and guess what? Still Democrats. //// Why would conservatives, Tea Partiers, or Republicans riot when they get what they want without having to resort to the streets.

    You don’t have any real insight into these power arrangements and what options are left over.

    ………………. just look…….. deeper than tissue thin.

    • It's called civility says:

      You said nothing.

      • bobbo, we think with words and flower with ideas says:

        More accurately: you see nothing.

        • ± says:

                                        [no vapid liberal effusion here]

          • bobbo, we think with words and flower with ideas says:

            ….. or anything else of worth or notice.

    • Thom says:

      “Speaking of Hitler, I’m ending my support of UC Berkeley, where I got my MBA years ago. I have been a big supporter lately, with both my time and money, but that ends today. I wish them well, but I wouldn’t feel safe or welcome on the campus. A Berkeley professor made that clear to me recently. He seems smart, so I’ll take his word for it.

      I’ve decided to side with the Jewish gay immigrant who has an African-American boyfriend, not the hypnotized zombie-boys in black masks who were clubbing people who hold different points of view. I feel that’s reasonable, but I know many will disagree, and possibly try to club me to death if I walk on campus. ”

      Scott Adams

      http://blog.dilbert.com/post/156778990841/berkeley-and-hitler

      • bobbo, we think with words and flower with ideas says:

        What individuals decide to do for themselves is TOTALLY DIFFERENT from what the gubment should do.

        aka: go after the criminals, not the crowd they invaded and took shelter in.

        • Catch me if you can says:

          And how do you do that without liberals throwing a hissy fit?

          No theory. Be specific. Use both sides of this paper if necessary.

  10. Thom says:

    I agree however this is not what is happening. There was only one arrest and the college administration is doing nothing to try to stop it. The gubment has every right to withhold Federal funding from this institution until free speech is protected for EVERYONE.

    • bobbo, we think with words and flower with ideas says:

      The issue is indeed what “should” the gubment do. I can’t make an argument that turning school administrators into riot control police is what they should do.

      • MikeN says:

        People rioting should be expelled by the school and jailed by the government. The latter is under investigation. It remains to be seen how many prosecutions will occur.

        • bobbo, we think with words and flower with ideas says:

          You assume they were students. Highly outnumbered by the many confirmed students who had been peacefully demonstrating for hours.

          I agree rioters should be jailed……. a police function, not a University function.

          University to expell after conviction based on whatever the developed policy is.

          What should you see, note, and live by in the above: no conflation. Overlapping issues can be separated.

          Something a shill rarely does.

          • MikeN says:

            Universities should expel at a lower standard than criminal action. If you are interfering with the free speech of others, then punishment is reasonable. If you are engaged in sit-ins and the like, disrupting the university, punishment is reasonable as well. Peaceful demonstrators should be left alone. However, if U Oklahoma could expel frat brothers who sang a song about keeping niggers out of their frat, then they can certainly expel people for occupying the President’s office.

          • bobbo, there is usually some good even in bad experiences says:

            Mickey: nice mixing and conflating of issues there. One new one for every 5 words?

            Thats called: not thinking too straight.

            But what does come thru loud and clear is your devotion to Authoritarian State Actors. Are those boots too tight?

  11. Hmeyers says:

    The current state of politics is mostly the fault of John McCain and the stupid (failed) campaign finance reform law he advocated.

    1) McCain/Feingold campaign finance reform passed
    2) Citizens United ruling essentially allows unlimited corporate money
    3) Both parties become corporate shills
    4) Big media goes full-throttle mega-corp
    5) Big media becomes spokesperson for corporate interests
    6) Democrats become shill spokesperson for corporate interests
    7) “Democrats” pick #1 corporate shill Hillary Clinton for nominee (outsourcing, immigration, Wall Street speeches)
    8) Hillary can’t win blue collar states that got screwed, hello President Trump.

    Current state: Democrats can’t talk about “the issues” any more, because the big money sponsors with their hands up the Democrats puppets’ rear-end doesn’t want that.

    Democrats have 1 issue on their side: climate change.

    And in the current environment, because Democrats no longer discuss issues, they just talk about “Trump”.

    Which is great, but you need to bring something to the table.

    If the Democrats filibuster Gorsuch for the Supreme Court, the Democratic Party is done — because the Republicans will eliminate the filibuster, then all hell will break loose and the Democrats become bystanders.

    Which is why they won’t fillibuster Gorsuch.

    Meanwhile, other than climate change, where is a ray of hope for the Democratic Party? In 2018, they’ll probably lose 5 more Senate seats.

    And things could get worse for the Democrats: Hillary Clinton running for mayor of New York City would be a doomsday scenario.

    She’d become the face of the Democratic Party for the next 8 years or so.

    (Remember, Trump was the least popular candidate of all time. Incompetent Hillary spent $1.2 billion and managed to lose to this unpopular guy even in 3 solid Democratic states. She’s not the right person to be high profile for the Democratic Party.)

    Can the Democratic Party correct course?

    They are on the wrong side of almost every issue. The Republicans were defeated by Trump so they have to moderate themselves for a while.

    • bobbo, we think with words and flower with ideas says:

      Awesome review. I’m using a Jedi Mind trick on myself to ignore its reality.

      Could there be enough beer?

    • MikeN says:

      Trump has already filed for re-election, normally done about 2 years later. Unfortunately for liberals, the campaign finance law pushed by liberals will now make it harder for liberal groups to run ads and engage in other politics attacking Trump. Way to go!

      You all laughed when Trump said, “I can fix the broken system because I know how it works better than anyone.”

      • bobbo, there is usually some good even in bad experiences says:

        Do you think limiting the oppositions ability to campaign against Trump will “fix” the system?

        ……… is that what you think Mickey?

        • MikeN says:

          Well he clearly knows it better. If it makes liberals be against their system that’s good.
          The independent counsel statute wasn’t repealed until it was used against Clinton.

        • MikeN says:

          No, I don’t think it’s a good fix. It is the opposite direction of Citizen’s United in limiting speech. I just find it hilarious that Trump could actually knew the system so well as to do this. No one has ever done this before.

          • bobbo, there is usually some good even in bad experiences says:

            I think the Pukes constantly run circles around the Dumbos on “procedural” issues…..and the Lame Stream Media goes along with it.

            ……….and I don’t think it is “Trump” but rather his inner cabal and Trump’s rubber stamp.

            Digging up and burning FDR at the Stake and all his Socialist Programs is what the Right Wing is after: another Deep Depression so they can feel better than those they make suffer.

            Just look.

    • MikeN says:

      What do you mean it’s a disaster? Hillary wouldn’t just be the face of the party. She would be the presumed frontrunner. Dems must fall into line and accept her as the nominee. Any faults she has must be covered up and defended. So if she is mayor, Dems will say she is the best mayor in the world. If she is a talk show host, they must all tune in, to give her high ratings.

  12. Dave says:

    The Party of Dumb and Dumberer:

    Maxine Waters weighs in:

    “How can a president who is acting the manner he is acting — whether he’s talking about the travel ban, the way he’s targeted Muslims, or whether he’s talking about his relationship to (Vladimir) Putin and the Kremlin and knowing that they have hacked our (Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee) and the (Democratic National Committee),” she said.

    But then the already wobbly wheels began falling off Waters’ rhetoric wagon.

    “And knowing that he’s responsible for supplying the bombs that killed innocent children and families in, um, in, um,” she said, forgetting the name before someone behind her murmured, “Aleppo.”

    “Yeah, in Aleppo,” she said.

    Waters continued, “And the fact that he is wrapping his arms around Putin while Putin is continuing to advance into Korea.”

  13. Thom says:

    If only we had a President like this, all would be right with the world. Ladies and gentleman, Mr. William Jefferson Clinton…

    “All Americans, not only in the states most heavily affected but in every place in this country, are rightly disturbed by the large numbers of illegal aliens entering our country. The jobs they hold might otherwise be held by citizens or legal immigrants. The public service they use impose burdens on our taxpayers. That’s why our administration has moved aggressively to secure our borders more by hiring a record number of new border guards, by deporting twice as many criminal aliens as ever before, by cracking down on illegal hiring, by barring welfare benefits to illegal aliens. In the budget I will present to you, we will try to do more to speed the deportation of illegal aliens who are arrested for crimes, to better identify illegal aliens in the workplace as recommended by the commission headed by former Congresswoman Barbara Jordan. We are a nation of immigrants. But we are also a nation of laws. It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years, and we must do more to stop it.”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zyF7ITwi2Q

  14. bobbo, there is usually some good even in bad experiences says:

    HEY EDITORS: WAKE THE FUCK UP!!!!!!

    10 days without a new OP. Server down for me for a day…… I was half assuming the site had been terminated for lack of interest…on the editors part.

    thats ok………. its all about time management and interest…… and not getting paid??????

    Anyhoo……..I assume the site will close one day as all things do. Whether or not it will be instantly without notice or a week for goodbyes………I’ll give mine now.

    Live long and prosper. Ive gotten some good ideas from some of you, laughs from most of you. Good times.

    Always find the good, balance the bad………….. make choices.

    Thats all life has to offer.

    Ha, ha………… why don’t you guys finish it off with an OP about Global Warming?…………I hear its a fake.

  15. Required says:

    You guys worry about all the wrong things. What would happen if Gozer the Traveler came in one of the pre-chosen forms? During the rectification of the Vuldrini, the traveler came as a large and moving Torg! Then, during the third reconciliation of the last of the McKetrick supplicants, they chose a new form for him: that of a giant Slor! Many Shuvs and Zuuls knew what it was to be roasted in the depths of the Slor that day, I can tell you!

  16. Hmeyers says:

    “Rahm Emanuel: Too many Dems care more about being right than winning”

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chicagoinc/ct-rahm-emanuel-national-democrats-advice-0207-chicago-inc-20170206-story.html

    “It ain’t gonna happen in 2018,” Emanuel “”Take a chill pill, man. You gotta be in this for the long haul.”

    “Winning’s everything,” he said. “If you don’t win, you can’t make the public policy. I say that because it is hard for people in our party to accept that principle. Sometimes, you’ve just got to win, OK? Our party likes to be right, even if they lose.”

    He added, “I don’t go to moral victory speeches. I can’t stand them. I’ve never lost an election. It’s about winning, because if you win you then have the power to go do what has to get done.

    “If you lose, you can write the book about what happened — great, that’s really exciting!” he said, sarcastically.

    • hmeyers says:

      “The Problem of Two Unreliable Narrators: Trump Versus the Media

      When both the person in power and his critics are both perceived as lacking credibility, the person in power is likely to come out on top.”

      “He has not been president for even three weeks, and the frame the media has chosen to embrace is that everything the man does is, by default, unconstitutional or an abuse of power. This level of media hysteria is discrediting to the media, unsustainable, and how America got Trump in the first place.”

      http://weeklystandard.com/the-problem-of-two-unreliable-narrators-trump-versus-the-media/article/2006712

      • Phydeau, not actually packed with Wall Street veterans says:

        Actually, people have seen what he has done, and as a matter of fact (yes, facts have a liberal bias, deal with it) he has been doing things which are almost universally unconstitutional or abusing power.

        It’s not hysteria if it’s true. Sometimes things really are that bad.

        But thanks for keeping the thread (and the blog) going singlehandedly with the new posts!

  17. hmeyers says:

    Hillary Clinton … “The Future Is Female” … referring to the Women’s Marches across the country.

    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_CLINTON_VIDEO_STATEMENT?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2017-02-07-07-16-44

    Cool story, Hillary!

    Maybe if she runs again she might actually win her own demographic this time (white women, which she lost by a whopping 10% margin 53% Trump, 43% Hillary).

  18. Hmeyers says:

    Here is one thing wrong with the “Democrats” right now …

    Mr. Gecan says protest is no substitute for hard, grass-roots persuasion. “Many Dems either don’t know how to relate to people with moderate or mixed views or they don’t want to,” he writes. “They prefer rock stars and celebrities to bus drivers and food service workers. They like cute sayings and clever picket signs, not long and patient listening sessions with people who have complicated interests, people who might not pass the liberal litmus test.”


    Translation: If Democrats act like moderates or middle of the road people are the enemy, it eventually becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

    Also it is a great way to lose elections.

    • Phydeau, not actually packed with Wall Street veterans says:

      Hmm, the alternative is a folksy bullshitter (Trump) who claims to speak for the people but turns around and packs his administration with Wall Street insiders.

      That and the “Southern Strategy” Republicans use, i.e. distract working-class folks from how they’re being f’d over by the rich by pointing out the scary black and brown poor people. 🙄

      Trump has a better presentation, the D’s have better content in their message. But BS sells. :/

      • ± says:

        Wow. You haven’t used the typical liberal “racist” attack for a few weeks now to decry anything you disagree with. But I see now that you’ve dug that out again, there is a spin of subtlety to it. Is this the new kinder gentler liberal way of calling “racist” to things that you guys don’t agree with?

    • NewFormatSux says:

      I don’t want politicians pretending to support you. Let them say what they want and let people decide. Last election, I said the same, wanting Barack Obama Being Barack Obama, called it operation BOBBO.

    • bobbo, there is usually some good even in bad experiences says:

      HM–given DU has stalled out here for the time being….I’ve really been investigating “CORD CUTTING” on the internets. Day-um!! Things have changed from 3 years ago……….

      I am a tv addict and even happy to pay $$$/month for cable…but absolutely no reason to now. EVERYTHING is free over the internet … except Premium Original Productions?

      The “key” really was using the apps on my Smart Tv…which I had not done previously given I’m on a dsl service at 1Mbs feed. But even with that, I’m 80% satisfied with watching YouTube and Pluto TV. Cracked requires more bandwidth.

      so…Now I’m learning all about Kodi on my computer both in Windows and Unbuntu flavors…all to move perhaps to a dedicated Tablet format? Why??==I don’t know. “Can” do it all from the computer but a line between computer and TV seems to make sense to me.

      Kodi to TubiTv to Plex to Area-51. EVERYTHING is available for free. Why pay cable? Its a no-brainer. I assume the Pukes will make this all illegal???

      Anything you can share regarding your experience? I think that little hand held clicker of a remote to navigate Kodi on Tv looks like a real gem.

      anyway: Future is so Bright……….

      • Phydeau, not actually packed with Wall Street veterans says:

        I don’t watch TV so I don’t really get it, but how can they continue to make programs if people manage to get the programs free over the internet without ads?

        • MikeN says:

          That thought won’t fly here. Any movie should be downloadable for free is the mantra.

        • Hmeyers says:

          I’m with Phydeau. Life is too short to watch tv.

        • bobbo, there is usually some good even in bad experiences says:

          The saps that stand in line to see the movie on opening week.

          also…quite a few of the streaming services are paid for, or advertising supported…for a slight offset.

          But….yeah…. I agree.

          Watching in virtual reality gives the viewer total immersion which is bigger than the big screen, and if you aren’t at my house, the bathrooms are clean and the floors aren’t sticky.

          I think its VR that will kill the Big Screen…not the internet. But….its going to be a contest.

          Watching TV: from background noise, to movies, to news, to education. Like anything else…… its what you make of it.

        • Hmeyers says:

          I watch movies I think are worthy during the first week too.

          I strategically select a showtime and a theatre that I anticipate won’t be completely crowded (Saturday at 10:30 pm, for instance. Or a middle week night).

          It is rare I stand in line for more than 2 minutes.

          Mostly herd creatures torture themselves by selecting showtimes/locations where every other knucklehead is going (nice job, dim bulbs!)

          Because humans are exceptionally stupid creatures that trip and fall over themselves and otherwise can’t think without training.

        • bobbo always ready with a fake nom de flame says:

          Well HM — I dislike the entire process of “going to the movies.” So… with the time spent NOT in front of the TV…what do you spend your time doing?

          For me…its almost totally web surfing trying to get my computer/toys/hobbies to “work” with the TV on in the background. course, one of my more time consuming hobbies is recording TV and then archiving it on hard drives. I have almost lost interest in it but have kept doing it because of all the computer applications. EG–right now getting Kodi installed in Windows and Linux with all the issues that is revealing along with my new video card and my no acceptable license key for Win 7 and my ongoing fight with comcast regarding a bill from 6 years ago.

          without “tv”—–I’d have nothing to do but …… everything else.”

          ……………….but in the end, we all die. Its the only thing that makes life fair.

          • McCullough says:

            Geez, somebody put this guy on suicide watch already.

          • Hmeyers says:

            “what do you spend your time doing?”

            Self-capitalization.

            I focus on knowledge, skills, philsophy, test their application in real life, take the results back to the drawing board.

            Immanuel Kant’s directive “Use your talent”.

            Friedrich Nietzsche “The secret of realizing the greatest fruitfulness and the greatest enjoyment of existence is: to live dangerously!”

            Take risks. Learn. Assess. Create.

          • bobbo always ready with a fake nom de flame says:

            Its just pragmatism. I like to think of it as personalized realpolitik.

            ……and thats as close to Nietzsche as I get: eschewing the statistically ill advised.

      • Seems like just yesterday says:

        “Anyhoo……..I assume the site will close one day as all things do. Whether or not it will be instantly without notice or a week for goodbyes………I’ll give mine now.

        Live long and prosper. Ive gotten some good ideas from some of you, laughs from most of you. Good times.

        Always find the good, balance the bad………….. make choices.

        Thats all life has to offer.

        Ha, ha………… ”

        ———————————-
        Welcome back. We missed you!!

        • bobbo, there is usually some good even in bad experiences says:

          I note the ambiguity…. although the context was made clear.

          If this is the last OP on DU and the site closely instantly whenever….. I’ll be the only one that saw it coming and said “Goodnight…. And GodBless.” Which is a good thing…. except for the website closing and the God thing.

          …….but I crack myself up.

  19. Phydeau, not actually packed with Wall Street veterans says:

    Ruh-roh… Republicans fear for their safety as Obamacare protests grow

    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/republicans-obamacare-protests-safety-234733

    House Republicans during a closed-door meeting Tuesday discussed how to protect themselves and their staffs from protesters storming town halls and offices in opposition to repealing Obamacare, sources in the room told Politico.

    House GOP Conference Chairwoman Cathy McMorris Rodgers invited Rep. David Reichert, a former county sheriff, to present lawmakers with protective measures they should have in place. Among the suggestions: having a physical exit strategy at town halls, or a backdoor in congressional offices to slip out of, in case demonstrations turn violent; having local police monitor town halls; replacing any glass office-door entrances with heavy doors and deadbolts; and setting up intercoms to ensure those entering congressional offices are there for appointments, not to cause chaos.

    Of course they fear for their safety. They’re afraid the constituents will do what Republican protesters did:

    Protesters have disrupted town halls and other public events, jeering and yelling at Republicans just as conservatives did to Democrats when they were writing the law eight years ago. Conservative protesters in 2009 and 2010 were accused of spitting on and hurling racial epithets at Democratic lawmakers ahead of their votes to pass Obamacare.

    • NewFormatSux says:

      That was a lie told by John Lewis. Because of his prior good acts, people believed him.

      In the current circumstances, we have people organizing violence, just as the Hillary campaign did at Trump rallies.

    • Hmeyers says:

      Some say the “Left” wants to create a movement like the Tea Party. I never quite understood what the Tea Party was supposed to be about, but that’s beside the point.

      Didn’t the “Left” have their own thing going when the “Right” had the Tea Party?

      Occupy Wall Street or something?

      How’d that turn out?

      “Democrats” rallying in big cities that already vote “Democrat” is preaching to the choir.

      Preaching to the choir is what losers do. The reason is because preaching to the choir is easy, it doesn’t require change.

      Change is what is hard. And if the “Democrats” want to win elections, they have to have a positive agenda.

      Climate change is important but appears to be the only Democratic Party issue I can identify.

      If you know of another, please let me know.

      There was another politician that ran a rudderless, sterile campaign before Hillary mastered the art of the rudderless, sterile campaign. His name was John McCain.

      • bobbo always ready with a fake nom de flame says:

        Another excellent review … but it rings familiar. did you post near to the same thing somewhere above?

        …………..or is it early Nietzsche?

        • Hmeyers says:

          I also wonder if Trump doesn’t tweet 10x more than he should.

          I got bored of Obama after a few months because Obama talked too much and it was always the same speech. He had great oratory skills, which was great in 2008 but reading the same material gets old.

          Likewise, Trump’s outrage gets old. The media and the protestors are his co-dependents.

          I think if everyone non-Trump settled the fuck down, that would be how Democrats could “beat” Trump.

          In a room full of adults, Trump looks petty.

          If everyone is acting petty, Trump looks normal.

          Maybe the next president should be someone who rarely talks.

      • NewFormatSux says:

        >Hillary mastered the art of the rudderless, sterile campaign.

        If it takes 12 people 12 hours to do one tweet, how many people does it take to do 32 tweets in 8 hours?

  20. Phydeau, not actually packed with Wall Street veterans says:

    http://www.businessinsider.com/kellyanne-conway-go-buy-ivankas-stuff-2017-2

    This is your president, sending his mouthpiece out to advertise his family’s companies, in clear violation of ethics laws. From those commie libruls at Business Insider:

    Observers quickly pointed out that Conway’s suggestion may violate federal ethics rules that bar White House officials from promoting products for people “with whom the employee is affiliated in a nongovernmental capacity.”

    Because they think Nordstroms is run by commie libruls who are getting rid of Ivanka’s (foreign-manufactured) merchandise for political reasons? How stupid are these people in the White House?

    • NewFormatSux says:

      So you think all of Ivanka’s negative reviews on Amazon had nothing to do with Trump’s run for President?

      • Phydeau, not actually packed with Wall Street veterans says:

        No idea, NFS. But it’s a free country. Look up the definition of “boycott”. Then cry like a baby cuz people are being mean to your favorite orange-colored chief executive. 🙄

        • NewFormatSux says:

          So one side engages in a politically motivated boycott, and the other side shouldn’t be allowed to encourage a corresponding response?

          I will concede that she should not be hawking products as part of her government position.

        • ± says:

          [stated Phydeau without the slightest hint of irony]
          “…Then cry like a baby cuz people are being mean to your favorite orange-colored chief executive. 🙄

          How you or anyone who was trying to hire Hillary think you are righteous enuff to trash someone who helped to hire Trump is a mystery for the ages.

    • NewFormatSux says:

      What’s the affiliation between Ivanka and Conway?

    • hmeyers says:

      Most interesting quote I’ve read lately:

      “You’re not going to like this part: the president, under the law, is exempt from conflict of interest laws,” Chaffetz told the loudly protesting crowd.

      Don’t claim to know how the laws work.

      • bobbo, there is usually some good even in bad experiences says:

        I’ve heard that a number of times now myself……….but ………. most conflicts of interest also involve receiving a personal benefit, and that is still illegal.

        Surprised someone isn’t pushing on Trump owning that Government Post Office turned into a Hotel deal. Like Kellyann Conway: a clear and direct violation.

        All we need is some enforcement….. even I would allow time for Trump to sell it off…but he’s gotta look like he’s doing it.

        All part of the package.

      • NewFormatSux says:

        That’s a strange one. Chaffetz is not a flunky. He wrote a letter from his government watchdog committee objecting to Conway’s Buy Ivanka talk.

        President cannot be indicted, but I don’t think that’s what he means. Obama was selling Volts as President, but that’s arguably policy.

  21. Where was Phydeaus phony outrage when: says:

    A League of Her Own-Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton:

    During her time as Secretary of State, overwhelming evidence shows, primarily through the State Department’s release of her emails, that she abused her official position. Those emails remained hidden from the public until earlier this year when it was discovered that Secretary Clinton conducted government business on her private email server and a judge ultimately ordered that she turn over and the State Department release the emails. Since becoming a presidential candidate, she has on numerous occasions violated campaign and ethics laws. Here are just a few examples that don’t even touch the surface of her improper behavior:

    Clinton Giving Preferential Treatment Involving Son-in-Law: FACT has called for a federal probe into communications during Hillary Clinton’s time at the State Department which suggest that then Secretary Clinton gave special treatment to a private mining company as a result of the company’s relationships with Clinton’s son-in-law and donors to the Clinton Foundation.

    Clinton Foundation Payments to Hillary 08 Presidential Campaign: FACT has asked the IRS to investigate whether the Clinton Foundation broke federal law by making payments of nearly $350,000 to Hillary Clinton’s failed 2008 presidential campaign to rent Clinton’s email list after she failed to secure the Democratic nomination. The transaction came at a time the campaign was paying off debt, but Clinton’s ability to fundraise was limited by State Department ethics rules.

    Clinton Campaign Illegally Interacting with PAC: FACT asked the FEC to investigate illegal interactions between Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign and her PAC, Ready for Hillary, over a Ready for Hillary email list with 4 million names which the Clinton campaign received. There is skepticism about the legitimacy of this list swap since Ready for Hillary is an independent Super PAC and Federal law explicitly prohibits a candidate from coordinating with and accepting donations, including an in-kind donation of a mailing list, from a super PAC.

    Clinton Violated Ethics Rules by Meeting with Senate Democrats: FACT asked for an investigation into meetings between Hillary Clinton’s campaign team and key Senate Democrats inside official Senate offices where political activities are barred.

    As usual you got nothin.

    • bobbo, there is usually some good even in bad experiences says:

      Whether or not Physdeaux or anyone else “should be” “outraged” over what Hillary did or didn’t do: what the frick does that have to do with our Sitting Orangutan?

      You got: WORSE than nothing, a steaming pile of stinking ideas is what you got.

      Ha, ha. good old Right Wing….. you know before you can protect Trump by attacking Failed Competitors….you gotta answer for Richard Nixon!!

      ………….argue the current case….. not some BS.

      • NewFormatSux says:

        Answer for Richard Nixon? Bill Clinton is guilty of almost every point in the articles of impeachment issued against Nixon.

        http://watergate.info/impeachment/articles-of-impeachment

      • NewFormatSux says:

        Strange thing. Richard Nixon in his autobiography apologizes for Watergate, but there is an odd vibe in his remarks, that lead me to believe what Jude Wanniski was arguing in the Wall Street Journal at the time as devil’s advocate- Nixon thought he was covering up JFK’s actions against Castro.
        Nixon however does not apologize for what I consider to be his biggest crime- sending the IRS against political opponents. Nixon said he felt that was the rules of the game, and this was what the Democrats did when they were in power. Since Nixon only Clinton and Obama have done this, but before there was FDR, Truman, JFK, and LBJ. That Nixon thinks it’s the rules suggests maybe Eisenhower as well.

    • Phydeau, not actually packed with Wall Street veterans says:

      LOL. You want to compare ethical violations between Clinton and Trump? Bring it on, punk. 🙄

      Trump is a walking, talking, pouting, whining ethical violation.

      • Where was Phydeaus phony outrage when: says:

        “For the duration of my appointment as Secretary if I am confirmed, I will not participate personally and substantially in any particular matter involving specific parties in which The William J. Clinton Foundation (or the Clinton Global Initiative) is a party or represents a party, unless I am first authorized to participate,” Clinton wrote in a Jan. 5, 2009, letter to State Department Designated Agency Ethics Official James H. Thessin.

        • Phydeau, not actually packed with Wall Street veterans says:

          Oh, lordy. Really? How about: Buy my daughter’s merchandise that she used to sell at Nordstroms before they canceled her, wah wah. The president and his flunkies directly soliciting business for their family. That’s about as corrupt as you can get, and it’s happening NOW. Not to mention God Knows What financial entanglements Trump has, which we don’t know because he’s HIDING all his tax returns!

          Beat it, punk. 🙄

          • Where was Phydeaus phony outrage when: says:

            Here you go punk, wheres the outrage?

            “A photograph of Hillary Clinton being kissed by KKK Senator Robert Byrd has been widely circulated as a political statement.

            Shortly after Donald Trump declined to condemn David Duke and the Ku Klux Klan during an interview on CNN’s “State Of The Union” on 28 February 2016 (the Republican presidential candidate would later blame it on a faulty earpiece) a photograph purportedly showing Hillary Clinton with former Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia, a former Ku Klux Klan member, was widely circulated online:

            “In a video uploaded to the State Department’s official YouTube page on June 28, 2010, Clinton commemorated late Sen. Byrd by saying, “Today our country has lost a true American original, my friend and mentor Robert C. Byrd.”

            Glad that racist whore didn’t make it to the Presidency.

            http://www.snopes.com/clinton-byrd-photo-klan/

    • Hmeyers says:

      Because Person A did X does not relate to whether or not Person B did Y.

      That’s lowest common denominator thinking — a race to the bottom.

      • Phydeau, not actually packed with Wall Street veterans says:

        Person A happens to be the current president of the United States, and is doing all kinds of obviously corrupt things, NOW. Blatantly, obviously, unpresidented (hah!) corrupt things. NOW. And you’re fretting over some possibly slightly unethical things done by someone else years ago, and equating them? Really? Sheesh. 🙄

        • hmeyers says:

          Uh? I was agreeing with Bobbo, which probably is more or less agreeing with you.

          Which gets back to why I think partisans are knuckleheads.

          A partisan will evaluate who they think is the beneficiary of a statement (i.e. use feelings instead of use the brain) — instead of using logic.

          The shorter version: I was saying Trump shouldn’t get a free pass just because Clinton may have.

          Since you disagree with that — now what?

          I have to think that Trump should get a free pass in order for you to be happy?

          • Phydeau, not actually packed with Wall Street veterans says:

            Sorry Hmeyers, I wasn’t clear on what you were saying.

          • NewFormatSux says:

            Yes. It doesn’t help him if Trump supporters agree with him. He needs his anger and hate.

        • hmeyers says:

          The most confused people are the Republicans.

          The Republicans in Washington are like “How the fuck did we end up with this guy as ‘our leader’?

          He’s had affairs, never goes to church, is against cuts in social spending, wants to raise taxes on the rich for the middle class tax cuts.”

          As someone who has good reasons to hate both parties, Trump is ultimate LOL train.

          It’s like reality TV, with an unpredictable president surrounded by Republicans that sweat like they are trapped in a hostage situation.

          Meanwhile, the Democrats complain and the media complain and Trump just does more stuff to antagonize them.

          It’s quality entertainment, if nothing else.

          I think both parties have done plenty to deserve the current situation, to be quite honest.

        • bobbo, there is usually some good even in bad experiences says:

          Yep…Phydeaux made the equation that HM is supporting Trump or the argument made attacking clinton, when HM actually posted quite differently.

          Sometimes, myself always, we read too fast.

          Trump pretty consistently acts: emotionally. Its all ego: what he wants. He wants money and a God Like requirement of adoration signified by licking his ass. “Its hard out here being a Republican.” Ha, ha.

          How did Trump become President and How did Hillary Lose? Easy: the voting public was TIRED of being lied to. course…. we all got lied to again, just a different set of lies.

          Hoomans like variety. Just Look.

          HM: after 3 weeks, I finally got Kodi to work on my Windows PC. I’m really off and running now on the Cord Cutting deal. Probably will buy my first smart phone to work the Android TV/Kodi system thru Steam Casting but also to use in Google Cardboard.

          Still arguing with Comcast….. more emotional than Trump…. and less accessible.

          Saw “Candy” last night on Pluto Tv. What a stinker.

          • Hmeyers says:

            Sounds like you are getting into it with the Google Cardboard and all that.

          • bobbo, there is usually some good even in bad experiences says:

            Yes. Just bought the phone to do it with, then stumbled on “smart glasses” and augmented reality.

            3-4000 $ for Microsoft Hololens. I wish I were more into games… but the HoloTours look good for a start. The additional “museum/historical/encyclopedia” information in the program would keep my attention for more than a few minutes….but, its an excellent start.

            Saw a video with Mark Zuckerberg using Rift to have a virtual meeting with several people around the globe. Eye Popping and Brain Fizzingly good.

            I just wonder how much of this kind of tech is going to leave a lot of people in the dust…… on welfare looking at flat screen tv/s???

            I’ve been waiting for 30 years. Glad to catch the start of it.

          • bobbo, there is usually some good even in bad experiences says:

            HM: good article. Many commentators agree saying the Tech is just too expensive for the payoff.

            ……..but my point was and is: its great tech at the even more expensive gadget level.

            AND: I’m not buying this year or next because there just haven’t been enough programs/apps created yet to justify it.

            Its like 4K TV. Even right now, my biggest complaint about HDTV is that there isn’t enough true content for it….I still enjoy seeing a true 1080P picture…so bright and clear. 4K might be even better…but only NetFlics having 10 films a year to rent doesn’t seen justified.

            I am now watching 80% of what I was used to over the internet for free. I might still go back to cable…but its becoming more doubtful…..If I could get lost in a VR world.xxxHEY—getting lost in one of those virtual worlds must be here now if not soon…..those Massive Multiple Games? I actually don’t want to know….too much change for me and I’m already couch bound.

  22. Lamb Chop says:

    “This is the BLOG that never ends”

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=0U2zJOryHKQ

    (gets really good around hour 6).

  23. IM78 says:

    315 comments? Seriously. Come ON, guys. Write something!

    • ± says:

      Marc is going to win the “which moderator started the thread with the most posts in 2017” award.   👏

  24. McCullough says:

    You guys still here? Why?

    • ± says:

      Bad habits are hard to break? 🤔
      Hope springs eternal? 🤔
      The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results? 🤔

  25. hmeyers says:

    Politics is the new racism.

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