Is that a rifle over the blackboard?
INTL News by Joe Broadhurst – Psycho Teacher Pulls Chair Out from Student Who Wouldn’t Stand for Anthem(w/vid) — This took place last week and has to be the most incredible footage I’ve seen for a while and when combined with the story shows you why public education is doomed. Apparently the kid was filming this on a digital camera or cam-phone. I would take my child out of this school immediately. This teacher seems more like a drill instructor at Parris Island. We always talk about how putting cameras in the classroom would stop student misbehavior. How about to stop teachers like this guy?
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Jay’s other classmate Steve got suspended for 10 days for filming the incident. The school told Corey that it “violated the teacher’s constitutional rights” for them to film the teacher without his permission.”I think that its crazy that people are getting in trouble for this or things they say. There have been so many kids video taping and no one ever got in trouble for it. So why now?” Jay asked. It sounds as if the school is punishing this student now because of the nature of what’s on the tape, not the fact they were taping the teacher without his permission.
Can someone explain to me what this was all about. This wasn’t the pledge of allegiance. Is this a military school district? Is this juvenile detention? Since when do kids have to listen to the National Anthem in class every day? And this is in Jersey. I wonder what’s going on in Kansas!
When you read some of the forums you discover that this teachers outbursts and disrespect were common and the students needed to catch it on film. I’m guessing nobody believed their complaints. It’s like bullies. When nothing is done, it gets worse. Apparently catching this sort of behavior on tape means nothing either as the student got the suspension. They are doing an excellent job of training these kids for the real world, eh?
The net-net of the whole incident? Banning camera phones in the classroom.
And we pay these people?
Now can someone clip this video to the Ballmer “monkey-boy” video where he ends it with “I love this company!” :)
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Report on Vandalism — Back in 2003 the Superintendent commended staff for teaching “good citizenship.” No wonder!
“The staff should be commended for teaching good citizenship skills,” said Superintendent Dr. Thomas L. Seidenberger at the board’s meeting Thursday.
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First of all, I know nothing about this incident (I’m not in the US).
But all I see is an old man yelling at a bunch of kids, who actually don’t look that disciplined…. I saw nothing that serious, I’ve been yelled at much more seriously in my high-school years… In my place teachers yell at misbehaving kids… OK, maybe not like that… I don’t know, it’s been too long since I’ve been in school. But when I was still in high school, my class managed to get a teacher kicked out just by inventing a story and mis-describing things the teacher said/did. The teacher, in this case, did nothing wrong except being unexperienced and unable to deal with misbehaving kids. So that was a kind of unfairness created by the kids themselves to get back at a teacher they didn’t like.
I’m not saying it’s the same thing happening here…
So what do we have here? All I can see (and this video is all I saw) is a bunch of kids smiling and whistling and generally acting slightly rebellious… Is it me? Maybe the old man is kind of crazy for yelling that much, but is this really that serious? Shouldn’t the kids get a teacher who knows how to instill respect instead? Maybe that’s what the old man needs – lessons on how to deal with, well, kids… and the difference between respect and fear. This is no way to educate kids.
Now would I like my kid being yelled at like that? Of course not, and I’d talk with the school principals about it and demand something being done about it. But I would also want to make *damn sure* my kid wasn’t just being a spoilt brat, just out to make life miserable to a teacher he/she and his/her colleagues disliked.
Now, is it OK to have teachers that kids dislike? That’s a whole different story. I think we can’t please everyone, and probably there’s kids in that class who don’t care about the yelling – maybe they’ just don’t go ‘against’ the teacher, and the kids who made the video are the bad boys… I don’t know, but just think about it…
Punishing kids for taping it was wrong, we must educate kids to DEFEND themselves whenever fair, by all means available. Video is quite legitimate in my opinion.
But we must also judge the situation in it’s context, and we don’t know the context – at least *I* don’t, sorry, I only saw this video.
Having cameras and video surveillance (with mandatory archiving for a defined period of time for legal purposes) in school classes, what does everyone else think?
(Sorry about my bad english, it’s not my native tongue.)
Just ringing in on this one. I grew up in Norther NJ, in highschool 92-95. We did the pledge of allegiance everyday, we didn’t listen to it. So I didn’t find this odd. Some kids were just against the authority. And I can understand what the teachers were dealing with. NJ kids were no different than NYC kids, since that’s where we spill over too on the weekends. The teachers witness the degeneration of respect and authority in the kids, meanwhile every kid thinks school is totalitarian state. So when it hits the media, it’s obvious where the liberals and the conservatives land. Throw in the ACLU and we have a party. So just a little perspective. The video shows only half of it, but then that’s what’s gonna be exploited by liberals and conservs, alike.
One thing is sorely evident, that is, the teacher has no control over his class and he is not respected by the students. The only way to win in this situation is to go to war because the kids obviously don’t care to learn and fear no retribution for misconduct. The teacher must demonstrate force and take casualties, not just postering and yelling like he is in the video. I once had a teacher, a vietnam vet, who was being disrespected continuously by a student in the eigth grade class. After the kid wouldn’t reason, the teacher escalated his force until finally he grabbed the kid and tore him out of his seat and slammed his against the wall like a rag doll. No one ever disrespected that teacher from that day on. Physical force is the last resort, but it is necessary to tame savages because violence is all they understand.
This teacher doesn’t seem psycho so much as totally incompetant. It’s obvious the students have no respoect for him and he has no “tools” available to command that respect other than bullying. If I were the parent involved, I’d pull my kid out because the teacher is obviously doing a poor job teaching, but I’d also discipline my child for his obvious disrespect, even if that disrespect was well placed. It *would* be nice to be able to review footage of a class periodically. 🙂
Although it would be amusing to think it’s a rifle over the blackboard, it looks to be just a TV monitor mount with no TV on it.
I’m glad to see the school board addressed the problem by banning cameras in the classroom. We’ll never see this problem again. At least a documented one.
Seriously, all these people who are arguing the students were not respecting the teacher, WHY WOULD THEY?!?! I’ve only seen about 20 seconds of his so called teaching skills and I have absolutely no respect for him.
You DON’T get students interested in learning by yelling at them and threatening them! The second someone yells at me I stop listening. I praise the students for even showing up for the militaristic bullshit the “teacher” was shoving!
Because this teacher has no respect for students, they have no respect for him. Use of force will not help. This teacher needs either re-education or a different career.
a lot of teachers have no “tools” to teach, but get tenure, and then….they continue to vent their hostilities, anger, rage, and disrespect towards their class. Can’t get respect unless you GIVE respect. But, what’s the motivation? They’re just a bunch of stupid future citizens of America…who cares what they think?
Yeah, video cameras in the class room would be okay, but too costly. Better, performance reviews by the class — to rate the teacher. Three years of bad performance and the teacher gets put into teacher retraining camp, or is heavily counseled, one more bad year…and it’s off to a new school, new career, or whatever.
I have seen good teachers…and bad teachers….the problem is, the bad teachers tend to poison the well..and drive out the good ones. Then the bad teachers end up as administrators!
When my daughter had a 3rd grade teacher (last year of a number of tenured years) who reduced her to tears daily, and made her hate going to school…..(the woman, routinely lied to me about how she would “handle” my child….and told me that my daughter was LYING to me)…I had the principals and other teachers telling me what a great teacher she was. CYA, essentially. But, when I walked up early to wait for my daughter after class only to her the teacher screaming and ranting at the kids…that was it.
Tenured….geez. How much do you want to believe this taped teacher…is tenured.
That’s some funny shit (can i say shit?).
Im glad the kid walked out, i would have done the same.
We should be allowed to bring in cameras and to document our day, after all, we’re the ones taking the beating right?
Clearly this entire thing was blown way out of proportion. Sounds like this kid didn’t like being yelled at and tried to get back at the teacher. When I was in junior high, I had a physical education teacher that would give guys wedgies if they didn’t wear a jock strap. (A pick you up two feet of the ground kind of wedgie.) By today’s standard, he’d be brought up on charges.
Most high school teachers like this one are wimps. They put on a good show, yell, scream, and wave their hands but like most bullies, when you catch them out of class they act pretty normal. Much like the students in the video, I just laughed at teachers like this. It was pure entertainment for me and I would generally just let them do their bit. The ones I tore apart were the ones that tried to pass off bullshit to the students.
High school should be treated like a game where the object is to graduate and get into college. Poor teachers are something you overcome in both high school and college in order to graduate.
This is pretty sensationalized. The teacher is a jerk – not doubt – but he didn’t put the kid on the floor – just pulled out his chair. The kids are being dicks as well. Just a room full of bozos all the way around.
There are as many bad teachers as good ones – we all know it from our educational experience. I guess just having a video of something like this makes people think it’s special.
I come at this from a different view. The ubiquity of video cameras and the accessibility of the internet means that none of us are safe from being defined by one ill-considered moment of madness. That teacher may be rotten to the core. I don’t know. But I do know that as a former teacher (and a good one. I still correspond with some ex-students), I occasionally (rarely) had my buttons pushed once too often by one too many feral kid and, momentarily at least, lost my temper. When the moment passed, I’d apologize and carry on. But if I had been recorded during one of those periods, I could have been labeled the “Psycho Teacher from Hell” and my career, had I elected to pursue it, could have been effectively ruined. Who among us hasn’t had a regrettable moment of lunacy or folly that if recorded and spread wouldn’t brand us unfairly as something we really aren’t?
This is precisely the reason I send my kids to (sadly, rapidly disappearing) Catholic schools. Yes there are some kids and some teachers who behave this way no matter where they are but by and large you’ll find that at Catholic schools, this type of behavior from either teachers or students is just not tolerated.
My son (age 10) notices the differences right away when he attends our town’s summer camp. You can pick out the kids from the public school simply by the number of curse words they use around adults. Catholic school kids try to censor themselves around grownups. Public school kids don’t bother. They just don’t get taught respect for authority and they have no reason to learn.
I hate to see that I’ll have to pay more in the coming years to give my kids the education they should get but you are right. The public schools are broken and so long as they have no competition, they will continue to be broken.
JoAnn
I understand the videomaker has or had a website with more of his video skills on it – that of he and his friends destroying neighborhood Christmas decorations. I was informed of theis by someone who apparently got it off TV. I don’t think that has anything to do with the teacher’s lack of skills. But I would note that the boy leaving the classroom in the video that’s online leaves the room with a smirking remark, that implies “I’m going to have your ass in a sling for this”… JMHO however…
Kathy, if that’s the case then the kid has learned how to play the system and get people’s goats. Maybe he should run for public office.
…I think the video cameras are great….should remind all of us to act civil ALL THE TIME… because we’ve been, as a nation, way to tolerant of nutballs and crazies and putting up with raving lunatics for way too long. I’m sick of the road rage, and the public tantrums by adults, and the bully outbursts (even at the grocery store by some guy who is too important to wait in line, like the rest of us). I’m tired of the people who push ahead to “get first” and don’t care who they step on. I’m tired of the jerks who sit while pregnant women and old people stand on public transit.
I think these dolts should be held up for public ridicule…..and remind the rest of us to act civil….
Big deal. There are far far far worse teachers, like Ward Churchill and 199 others at CU.
As a teacher, I see no problem with video cameras in a classroom, I’ve used mine to help me find my faults – as well as show parents their “wonderful” child in action. In this case, it did violate his constitutional right to privacy.
As a rretired military manh, if the lackluster parents had taught thier child to be respectful of the National Anthem in the first place the whole situation could have been avoided.
Before one blames anyone – child, teacher, or parent – look for the root of the problem.
“As a rretired military manh, if the lackluster parents had taught thier child to be respectful of the National Anthem in the first place the whole situation could have been avoided.”
Maybe it’s not the anthem that needs respect in of itself, but on the flip side respect for freedoms. freedom in america means showing your loyalty to the country has no “best” or “only” way – tjhat’s called facist thinking and it doesn’t belong in America.