Hah-cha-cha-chah!
Think Progress — Tony Snow Attacks President Carter — Snow was being glib on the Don Imus Show. Unfortunately being glib when you are a government worker is not the same as when you are working for Fox. I’ve got ten bucks saying he’ll apologize for this gaffe.
Tony Snow is in no position to mock President Carter for vacationing. President Bush has spent more time vacationing than any president in modern history, with 319 days worth as of August 2005. President Carter took 79 vacation days during his 4 years in office, the lowest of any president in modern history.
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Official 8×10 Autographed photo of Tony Snow from Fox News. Suitable for framing.
I’ll take a “vacationing” Bush over Carter at work, any time of any day.
Oh boo hoo! Carter has been shown the least amount of decorum of any former president I’ve seen during my lifetime.
err… my comment should read “Carter has shown the least amount of decorum…”
And any of this matters….how? They actually have to all the way back to Carter to bash someone now? What’s next, going back to bashing Woodrow Wilson?
WTF? How is this even a topic of discussion? Let’s talk about THIS president and what he’s doing NOW. I don’t give two shits about the past, I’m worried about the future.
Just with his work with Habitat for Humanity J.C. has done more good for this country than Bush league has ever done.He wasn’t a great President but he is a great man.
Whaa, Whaa, Whaa poor old Jimmies feelings are getting hurt. Hey, Tony has every right to take a legitimate shot at anyone, who gets into the the ring. So he should only be a nice guy?
Carter had the least vacation time ever? In that case Bush did the right thing in taking all those vacations. I guess Reagan was second in most vacations. Maybe Hoover had the second lowest.
Mike, I couldn’t have said it better. Carter never misses an oportunaty to take a shot at sitting President Bush (something unheard of from a past president) But considering Carter was probably one of the most useless and bumbling Presidents of modern times, I’m not really surprised.
Carter was a failure as President… and had to deal with Iran. Bush trying to not repeat the mistakes of old is a good thing.
Carter after the Presidency hasn’t hammered enough nails to make up for the lack of decorum he’s shown. Just like the modern liberal movement, he’s a failure in total.
Is “decorum” on a talking-points memo…? [grin]
The comments, so far, illustrate a significant difference between folks who accept the neo-con flavor of reactionary ideology with religious fervor — and those who oppose policies and practices resulting from that ideology.
Republikans are saddled with a lame duck who’s always been laughable — as the spokesman for a reactionary cabal. Even conservative ideologists refer to Cheney as the President. And the impact of a majority of the nation holding the thug in the White House in contempt — while accepting the warm fuzzy after-image of an inept Carter — obviously frustrates folks who really need someone to hate to justify their politics.
Apparently Snow thinks Carter should have gone to Iraq and talked to their government because there were hostages in Iran. Bush however is much better than Carter because he goes and talks to the Iraqi government when there aren’t any hostages held in Iran. Well I’m glad he cleared that up!
moss –
We’re “saddled” with this “laughable lame duck” because the Democrats couldn’t seem to find a candidate of their own who wasn’t even lamer.
No talking points, just people making a decent case and left wing hacks are on this board.
Frank — if you wander by often enough, you should notice I have as little respect for corrupt and incompetent Democrats as I have for their clones on the other side of the aisle. I registered as Democrat for the first time in my life — to try to help along resistance to the neo-con cabal — in what turned out to be the Kerry farce, the Green religious crusade into obscurity and our nation’s extended march into lemming-like ignorance.
I often castigate the “administration, Kongress, establishment politicians” foolishly presuming that readers understand enough English to comprehend the breadth of those words. Sadly, most neo-cons are so insecure, they presume to be the sole target of criticisms of corruption and cupidity.
That’s their problem, not mine.
One of Carter’s problems was that he’s a far better representative of Christian values than most American presidents have ever been. Unfortunately, Christian values are nearly always at odds with politics, and often at odds with governance as well. If you want strong leadership and fierce foreign policy, you definitely want to elect a non-Christian.
Mission accomplished!
I’m sick of ill informed posters that just gets kicks out of seeing their stupid thoughts in a public forum, but I’m not going to shut up now. I have in my mind a picture of Yosemite Sam saying he hates rabbits. This sums of my feelings about the current administration.
Where was the attack? I didn’t hear it – and then I didn’t read it. All he said was that Carter used to sneak to Camp David to fish. Nope, no attack there… And then he said, and I’m paraphrasing, that between Nov 79 and Nov of 80, the US was embarassed by the hostage situation. Weren’t we?
Here’s what I’m seeing from people like Tony Snow and certain people in the forum:
“Yeah, wow, that Carter sure was a bad president”(tries to block anyone from looking at the current president)….”yes sir re…he sure was a bad president”…(notices a few people start to comment about Bush) “HEY! Look over here! Um….Carter sure messed up the Iran hostage thing didn’t he? And wow”….(starts to sweat a little)….”what’s with those teeth?”
Meanwhile, we’re still neck deep in crap in Iraq, the economy is in the toilet, the country is turning into a theocracy and our civil rights and right to privacy is being bent over a chair and sodomized on a daily basis. But hey, Carter was a bad president….
Lots of American Progress items on this blog lately
The past President decorum thing would make a great right-wing website. You could show pictures of Carter traveling around the world improving America’s image by trying to help the less fortunate. That has always been a root cause of the “Ugly American” problem.
You could include pics of Ford playing golf. That will score points in Scotland. I think decorum is a big deal on Scottish golf courses. Nixon could be shown working on his books that proved he really had nothing to do with Watergate. Kennedy, well nothing there to work with, but you and Ann Coulter might be able to collaborate on the evil non-decorous widow Jackie angle. Then there’s Bill Clinton, for that you could just put a link to Fox News. Eisenhower was pretty active in trying to point out the dangers of a military industrial complex, so that might qualify as lacking in decorum, if you work hard at twisting the truth. Then there’s Reagan, who we never really saw after he left office. It would be hard to judge his decorum factor, although his dementia probably would pass for decorum. I almost forgot Johnson. Showing the surgical scar may have happened before he left office, I can’t remember, but that was very non-decorous and since he was a liberal you have to include big pictures of that.
Going over this list, it looks like Carter is a pretty bad guy. He should have spent less time trying to make the world a better place and more time sucking up to dunderhead Fox News viewers.
“I’m sick of ill informed posters that just gets kicks out of seeing their stupid thoughts in a public forum”
Try starting with yourself.
Good job Ballenger, nothing like a good old fashion, non bias look at recent presidents. Its not hard to determine your political inclination.
Tony Snow responds to a question from Imus. Imus called him a dope and nobody says anything about Imus’s comment.
Carter attacks the current President at Coretta Scott King’s funeral. A funeral !! Boy, that show class!!
Let’s see –
In the Reagan-Bush Sr. years, the following countries became freer –
-The Falklands
-Argentina
-Brazil
-Uruguay
-Chile
-El Salvador
-Nicaragua
-The Philippines
-The countries of the former Soviet Union
-Poland
-Czechoslovakia
-Hungary
-Romania
-Bulgaria
-Albania
-Panama
-Afghanistan
-South Korea
Under Jimmy Carter, the following countries became freer:
{crickets}
The following countries became less free:
-Iran
-Iraq
-Afghanistan
-Zimbabwe
The following country traded one corrupt dictator for another:
-Nicaragua
So, what is your point, the guy is a saint and should be attacted? He is a mut
Uh, translation please, MQ? That makes no sense when I try reading it in English.
Carter was a competent, moral, hardworking president who was saddled with a revolution in Iran, which was the blowback from Republican hardliners using the CIA to install the Shah years before — overthrowing a democratically elected leader, BTW. For the oil.
Mysteriously, the hostages were released the day Reagan took office. There was some behind the scenes dealings between Baker and the revolutionaries, the by few accounts that managed to be told.
Carter was the first victim of the Republican noise machine built after Nixon caved the party in. They’ve spent 30 years building up their own newspapers, think tanks and radio and TV networks. They’ve made smear not only automatic, but acceptable when coming from them.
By all accounts he was an excellent executive, a good man, and most importantly held a brilliant understanding of world affairs. He had the misfortune of walking into the OPEC oil embargo and the fall of the hated Shah, the tool of DC.
Funny how OPEC’s games are never loaded onto Nixon’s shoulders. He’s Republican, so that’s off limits even tho the first embargo and oil shortage hit during his term.
Nixon: Bushist type liar, crook, paranoiac. Thought he was above the law, WAS the law. Never mentioned in modern-day Republican news.
Carter: blamed by every Repubican for thirty years for everything that ever went wrong.
Reagan: Senile, unknowledgeable, drove country into unpayable debt, waged secret wars with drug money, cut taxes to rich and closed the safety net for the those without voices. Probably cut deal with Iranian students to hold hostages until inauguration day. Remembered as greatest President Ever by rightists. Left office almost brain-dead.
Clinton: no soldier dead in combat under his watch. Greatest economic growth in history. Raised taxes to proper levels, ran a surplus, actually started paying back debt. Hated as a success and vilified as Hitler by rightists. Most beloved ex-President on the world stage, tho neck and neck with Carter.
Bush: Baker and others shut down recount which later showed he lost. Froze during attack, did not give orders to shoot down airliners. Used 9-11 to scare people to death, start police state with him as dictator. Lied to declare war on oil-rich Iraq. Built US’s first torture camps in Cuba and occupied Afhganistan and Iraq. Cut taxes, doubled non-SS debt in four years. Ignored science on every front. Put lobbyists in charge of the regulatory agencies. Created self-described World War II (said so a few weeks back) against shadow enemy only he can find, a war only he can declare over. Building superpentagon in occupied Iraq for permanent occupation. Outed anti-WMD CIA front company to spite ambassador who outed his false declarations of WMD procurement by Saddam. Starting war in Iran, later Syria, per Project for New American Century specs. worst president in US history, possibly banckrupting country and rendering military disabled through sheer ideological stupidity. Building concentration camps on US soil for “future projects” per Halliburton website.
Will probably be put on Mount Rushmore with Reagan by President PAt Robertson.
Bush Sr. had nothing to do with any of that Frank…nothing…nada…zilch. He was just standing around while Reagan’s policies kept rolling along after he left. But he did do some cool things…like let Saddam stay in power and getting a bunch of Iraqi citizens slaughtered by telling them all to rise up against Saddam….only to let them twist in the wind.
Oh…and who’s that posing with Saddam and shaking his hand back in 1983, in the glorious Reagan years? Is that…is that little Donny Rumsfeld? Wonder what ever happened to that guy.
In the Reagan-Bush Sr. years, the following countries became freer
Panama – yup, Carter was down there monitoring the elections…
Phillipines – love the Wiki entry on Marcos: “By 1984, his close personal friend, U.S. President Ronald Reagan, started distancing himself from the Marcos regime that he and previous American presidents, save for President Jimmy Carter, had strongly supported even after he declared martial law.”
Nicaragua – yes, there was that Iran-Contra thing Ollie ran…
The following countries became less free:
Iran – yes, they did get tired of the Shah, and Carter was dumb enough to let him seek medical treatment in the US – which triggered the attack on our embassy in Iran. And then those rescue planes had to crash in the desert… and thn Ollie sold them weapons so they could fight our other buddy Saddam.