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The State Board of Education on Tuesday approved public school curriculum guidelines that support the teaching of evolution in science classes — but not intelligent design.
Intelligent design instruction could be left for other classes in Michigan schools, but it doesn’t belong in science class, according to the unanimously adopted guidelines.
Intelligent design has also become an issue in the Michigan governor’s race.
Republican gubernatorial candidate Dick DeVos, a conservative Christian, said last month that he approves of intelligent design being taught along with evolution in science classes, though he said the decision should be left up to local school districts.
Democratic Gov. Jennifer Granholm, who is Roman Catholic, said Michigan schools need to teach evolution in science classes and not include intelligent design. She said school districts can explore intelligent design in current events or comparative religions classes.
I think those of us who accept the wholly writings of the Fying Spaghetti Monster should have an equal opportunity to present our case in Michigan’s religion schools.
the only other countries that even consider putting religion in science class are places like iran, afganistan, saudi arabia ect. It is no wonder that the US is fast becoming a has been nation compared to europe and asia. You are loosing a whole generation to religious zealots
I dont believe this is an issue for the courts or state school boards. I think the Constitution made it very clear that these decisions should be made at a local level, the courts have usurped authority and screwed things up. If this were left at a local level the majority could rule and there would not be such an issue let the state legislatures and local school boards decide this. I even say let the states decide the abortion issue some would say yes some would say no and all would be happy because the people would decide how they are governed by their vote for representatives not by a judge
If this were left at a local level the majority could rule
Sometimes the majority is wrong.
That’s why the US was founded as a republic, not a democracy.
#2, there are times when your point is absolutely valid. However, when it comes to teaching religion as if it were science, local school boards are 100% wrong and possibly unconstitutional.
After the judge last spring ruled (don’t recall details) on this, most schools got the message and with no additional outside pressure made intelligent decisions. This system works, most of the time, and when the pols let it.
One thing that everyone forgets is the the Constitution says “Congress shall make no law.” So while in the day the US Congress couldn’t say “Everybody has to worship the FSM” there was nothing to stop any of the states, other than their own laws, from doing so.
It wasn’t until later that the courts ruled that these protections also applied to other, lower government entities. States rights have pretty much gone out the window now and I don’t think we are any better off for it.
Yeah, Gig…Things were way better when states could choose slavery.
Of course that’s a bullshit argument, but my point is just that, states can’t be the final arbitors of what the law should be…because eventually a state would vote something assinine like, say, they should teach that humans MUST have come from god because “Well hell, look how complicated they are! Must be Jesus.” and call that science.
In my world, that’s forced religion, and I think that’s as antithetical to what America is (Not was at the founding of the Constitution) supposed to be.
I don’t want D.C. taking away my right to call them all jerkoffs.
I don’t want Atlanta (my state’s capitol) doing it either.
If the majority or the minority teaches evolution then they are right, if not then let somebody else teach for them, I dont care who decides as long as it is proven fact and is evolution, we shouldn’t let anybody decide what we teach in the schools unless they teach evolution, none of this the world is 6000 years old crap. I can’t believe people even argue about it. Evolution no if ands or buts. Let the scientist handle the hards stuff, let the religious nuts run Jesus Camp
#5
While what you describe is the original design of the Constitution, it was pretty much overruled by the 14th Amendment with the whole “No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States” part.
But that notwithstanding, yes, this whole judicially created notion that having an 80 year old monument with a cross on government owned land equals an attempt to establish a state religion is a fairly recent (and poorly reasoned) idea.
>>If this were left at a local level the majority could rule
Yeah, they could bring back lynch mobs, too.
Well im just glad that in my state, South Carolina, you have the right to demand an alternate lesson in the classroom other than the teachings of evolution, namely creationism. Otherwise i’d think i would go crasy with teachers trying to push evolution on me which i, by the way, do not agree with.
Well im just glad that in my state, South Carolina, you have the right to demand an alternate lesson in the classroom other than the teachings of evolution, namely creationism. Otherwise i’d think i would go crasy with teachers trying to push evolution on me which i, by the way, do not agree with. .
Apparently it doesn’t agree with you either.
#1 you are right about one thing the religious zealots are ruining our country but not the kind you are thinking of they are the evolutionist that insist that thier religion be taught in our school just look at the crime rates for all crimes since your religion has been taught in schools why do you insist on teaching this when you have no evidence
for your religion why not take this out of science class and just teach science this is why we are falling behind in science to the rest of the world are classes are filled with unrelated JUNK
#7 show me some evidence for your beliefs please I see know reason to not believe the world is less than 10000 years old how old is the oldest tree how old is the oldest desert how old is the oldest coral reef how old is the oldest river delta etc. secondly you are calling me crazy because i believe my great great great grandfather was adam and you believe your great great great grandfather is a rock comeon who is crazy know but you are right leave the scientist to study science not push some agenda
i believe only science belongs in science class
Jacob, I see you have been properly brainwashed. “It is an incontrovertible fact that organisms have changed, or evolved, during the history of life on Earth. And biologists have identified and investigated mechanisms that can explain the major patterns of change.” Richard E. Lenski, PHD
Evolution is a fact. It’s the mechanisms that are still theory. What is your reasoning for not agreeing with a fact?
no one is getting what the real problem with this….as a nation the fact that this is even a debate in the 21st centry is why the US will loose it place a a technoligical leader. No wonder that Honda and Toyota are kicking your buts
JimR i am afraid your wrong on this and most likely everything else you say i do not know this dr that you quoted but how does this prove evolution things change that no radical idea we can watch this happen a vary within a kind this is like breeding dogs always taking the smallest to create a small dog but never do you get a kitten after a point you hit a limit the way you see things you go to the shop for new tires for your car and when you leave the shop you with a horse
I would like for you to show me your expierment that gives you your belief in evolution
Good 1 dave #15 you can read
Gosh. I think some of the posters here (you know who you are…well, maybe not) show what happens when you teach religion in science class instead of science. Sheesh.
I have read the entire bible twice and reviewed many passages from it 100’s of times. How many times have you read enough research papers of current evolutionary knowledge (say 100 of them) to fully understand evolution before you make such wide sweeping comments?
The dog answer is laughable and shows your complete ignorance on the subject.
I don’t get it. Why is ID so frightening?
Or for that matter why aren’t any of ALARMED at the religious fervor with which we are grasping the currently (oddly) revised version of the THEORY of evolution?
Come on, guys! Chill. Science is all about hypotheses. Studying them over time. Whatever works will eventually stick.
(Hint: evolution scientists, stop putting out sorry work! Happens too fast to see, indeed…)
put up or shut up time show me where there is any proff in the bible or anywhere that a dog does not reproduce a dog
Curtis, I’m sorry but I can’t post 100’s of papers on this blog. If you truly want to educate yourself, do the leg work, otherwise remain ignorant.
JimR just like your story, long ago, far away, in place where i am to dumb to understand because i can not see it but some how you can see it …… You all have the same answer heard it before
I didn’t say you were to dumb to understand. On the contrary, I suggested you educate yourself by reading scientific papers (which require a reasonable level of intelligence) on current provable facts using DNA and other scientific tests before you make silly examples (getting a cat from a dog through breeding) that would more describe a miraculous transformation rather than define evolution. I guess you have been brainwashed to expect miracles, so I understand your shortfall.
Curtis, while I would generally describe myself as a deist and find a purely evolutionary explanation of a whole planet full of highly diverse life developing from a chance chemical reaction in the “primordial ooze” to be a little beyond far-fetched, you probably could have picked a better species than dogs to argue against evidence of evolution.
Alright now i am confused evolution did not happen fast, did not happened slow, does not happen now, (because we can not see it, or you need alittle more time) maybe it didnot happen at all
I do believe in miracles I believe in God this is on faith
you however take your belief turn it into so called fact provide not evidence and somehow i am suppose to stand by and let you pull the wool over my eyes
Alright now i am confused evolution did not happen fast, did not happened slow, does not happen now, (because we can not see it, or you need alittle more time) maybe it didnot happen at all
I do believe in miracles I believe in God this is on faith
you however take your belief turn it into so called fact provide no evidence and yours is fact and mine is belief
JimR:
Apparently the fossil record isn’t enough proof for you? Still looking for your missing links after all these years? I would rather say that it takes far more faith to believe in evolution than it does to believe in ID. I congratulate you on the amount of faith that you display; unfortunate that it is misplaced.
Oh, oh, the kooks are starting to appear. Curtis, the proof is there if you choose to learn about it. At least I studied the bible before I made any comments.
Fear of dying does strange things to people. You believe in an imaginary friend who will not let you die if that comforts you. Me … I have no problems facing the truth that I will die and nothing else exists for me afterward. Ta ta.
Now the truth finally comes out this has nothing to do with is there proof for evolution but if there is a creator and if there is a creator what he can do with his creation
I hope you come around because you are going to die as well as I and i am sorry to hear that all you think you are worth is the dash between the dates(1973-20 ) i live for more than that
as far as fossils are concerned the only thing they tell you for sure is that they are now dead anything futher than that is just a guess
the second law of thermodynamics clearly shows over time everyhting falls apart this is a problem for evolution unless you say that humans to day are the least complex thing in nature