Associated Press – July 3, 2007:
As stabbing victim LaShanda Calloway lay dying on the floor of a convenience store, five shoppers, including one who stopped to take a picture of her with a cell phone, stepped over the woman, police said.
The June 23 situation, captured on the store’s surveillance video, got scant news coverage until a columnist for The Wichita Eagle disclosed the existence of the video and its contents Tuesday.
“It was tragic to watch,” police spokesman Gordon Bassham said Tuesday. “The fact that people were more interested in taking a picture with a cell phone and shopping for snacks rather than helping this innocent young woman is, frankly, revolting.”
The woman was stabbed during an altercation that was not part of a robbery, Bassham said. It took about two minutes for someone to call 911, he said.
Calloway, 27, died later at a hospital.
30—I see this as no different than a discussion of “Whats the best ice cream?” There is no right and wrong answer==just a preference, or in this case, a comfort level. For those of you who aren’t concerned about getting covered in blood and exposed to the various things blood transfers, I don’t say you are right or wrong–thats your comfort level for who knows why? Tell me why a stranger is worth any “real” risk?
My attitude towards helping such people changed as I became informed about blood borne diseases. I don’t think that qualifies as a rationalization. Maybe irrantional fear, but not a rationalization!
Lets see, would i use a public toilet covered in blood? – – – No. Would you? How rational==blood on a toilet, NO. Blood on a stranger, Yes. Not consistent.
No where did I blame the victim. “On average” people that get themselves stabbed, aren’t worth the risk of blood exposure to me. You act like a pseudo Darwinist, that things happen purely by random chance. No, people bring alot of things on to themselves. I know nothing, but a stabbing in a store sounds like two shoplifters arguing over their split, or two drug addicts, or two idiots arguing over who knows what? I don’t care. If I’m at a store and my friend next to me gets stabbed by a stranger, Yes, I will do whatever I could to save him. Not a stranger.
For those of you thinking it is abhorrent not to jump in and put yourself at risk, what value are you promoting? That all people are worth you risking your life for. Worth having your spouse or children lose their Daddy. Really? – – – – Well, thats fine, go ahead. Not for me.
bobbo- “Tell me why a stranger is worth any “real” risk?” Ask any firefighter/police officer/ rescue worker/ soldier/ that same question. Its not because of the pay. Its just something you either possess or you dont. It cant be explained if its not in you to get it.
33—Yes, getting a pay check has “something” to do with it. Trained, equiped, good job, legal duty to act.
The impulse to act was initially in me. I have made a conscience choice not to do so for safety reasons.
Anybody got a real “up side” that balances the risk assumed?
THINK ABOUT IT. You are not unthinking animals. If you THINK ABOUT IT and decide to act, then good for you. “If it not in you” ===complet tautology. Enjoy acting on instinct now?
When I come home and see the front door open, my instinct is to go in and see what happened. I’ve learned NOT to go in. Call the police and see if anyone else is in there===ie, leave the area immediately.
If you are on a mountain road and a small animal runs out on the road, don’t swerve to miss it.
If you THINK ABOUT these things beforehand, you may just save yourself.
Podesta –
If you think I am somehow defending the behavior of that crowd, by criticizing SN’s sensationalistic headine blaming all the citizens of Kansas, and all conservatives as well, you have serious problems with reading comprehension, and probably with logical thought in general.
#34 – You are really invested in this thread and seem to really be concerned with defending your position. Just curious, if you don’t care about strangers, why do you care what strangers think about you?
#35 – The headline reads “Shoppers refuse to help woman dying on the floor in a Kansas convenience store!”
This headline describes what happened which is that shoppers refused to help a dying woman who was lying on the floor in a convenience store in Kansas.
What was sensationalist about that?
Apparently you can’t see the image that SN posted right below. Is your browser working properly? Need glasses?
Let me make some educated guesses. The person who stabbed this 27 year old woman was probably black (statistics say the most common offender of crimes against blacks are blacks), and we assume the victim is black based on her name. And the outrage in this case is that 5 people, presumably white, did nothing to help. But 911 was called in 2 minutes.
So my guess is the point of the news story is not outrage at a black stabbing a black, the outrage is at white people not reacting to a black person being stabbed.
If my guess is right, then this story is blatantly racist.
“Presumably”. Of course. Otherwise SN’s “Bad Conservative Kansas” scenario falls apart.
Actually, the situation was worst than that article conveys. It took the police at least six minutes to arrive. The good Samaritan who first called an ambulance and cops specifically told them that the assailant, a teenage girl, fled right after the stabbing. He had earlier intervened to stop victim and suspect from arguing.
Bobbo asked: Tell me why a stranger is worth any “real” risk?
Strangers are worth real risk because we are all strangers. If you were to have a heart attack or stroke while walking down the street, shopping or playing golf, you would want strangers to save your life, despite being a self-centered creep. In a modern society, where a large majority of people live in cities of 50,000 people or more, we are all in ‘it’ together. That means our responsibilities extend to strangers. There are limits, but helping a young, female stabbing victim whose assailant fled, is within those limits.
I think you know you are wrong, as Love implied, Bobbo.
Frank, you also made racial slurs based on the woman’s name and ‘those people’ comments. A person does not have to use the N-word to reveal his bigotry.
And, for the record, I have intervened. For example, I once took a gun away from a drunken fool at a party. That was risky. This scenario isn’t.
36—This is a discussion thread – – – No? I post. People post back. How is that being “invested?” Yes, I defend my position not by repeating it but by giving further examples and reasoning, trying to tease out from others what the opposing position is.
So far, NO ONE has given any reason at all anyone should have gone to this womans aid. Valid or not, I have a reason. If there was a reason given that outweighed my percieved risk, maybe I would change my mind??
Interestingly, the “law” does not require individuals to give aid. Its the majority considered opinion.
The oppossite of being invested, I suppose, is to flight from thread to thread never defending what is said, never challenging others to an exchange of ideas? I’m just a wounded shopper, looking for aid. And no one will help. OOOHh, the humanity. – – – etc.
41—Thanks Podesta, an honest go at it.
Strangers are worth real risk because we are all strangers. /// No logic there. I would not expect anyone to help me if I got in an argument in a store and got stabbed and was bleeding. So your argument cuts both ways. ((NO pun)) I would hope someone would call the paramedics—just what happened quite quickly too.
we are all in ‘it’ together. /// by “it” i take it a society of individuals with different desires, wishes, outlooks? Again, No logic, see above. Large cities have organized emergency response teams. Thats our organized response to “it.”
There are limits, but helping a young, female stabbing victim whose assailant fled, is within those limits. //// Yea, for YOU. Now is it worth it if you die of aids and your family suffers as a result? Yes? No? And if that happened to you or a close friend, would you do it again? (sic).
So again, you think this is a matter of “right vs wrong” rather than “comfort level vs percieved risk?” How come the law does not require strangers to help strangers? Why is that?????????
43. Bobbo- “So far, NO ONE has given any reason at all anyone should have gone to this womans aid. Valid or not, I have a reason. If there was a reason given that outweighed my percieved risk, maybe I would change my mind??
I just hope I dont live near you when disaster strikes. I went through a hurricane in 1995, small island in the Caribbean, when the sun came up the next morning and it was safe enough to go outside, all the neighbors were checking on each other. One neighbors house had collapsed on them and everyone risked their life to get them out, it hadnt fully collapsed so it was very tense while trying to free these people. There were no emergency services available, phones and power gone. My neighbor was hanging by her hair from the deck of her house, her husband arm was trapped under rubble (he lost the arm). That is just one of many stories of neighbors who came to the aid at personal risk to help each other. Would that change your mind, if you were the only one who could help? Or would the thought of getting blood on your hands make you walk away and let them die?
Podesta –
If you think I am anything but saddened and sickened by Ms. Calloway’s death, then I have nothing further to say to you.
It appears that you think SN’s scapegoating of all the citizens of Kansas, and of conservatives in general, by his choice of image for the caption for this article (about thisact of muder by one person, and possible indifference by 5 more) is perfectly OK.
44–Ok, I think I’m starting to get it. Everybody thinks we should help everyone else because everyone wants help when they themselves need it? Thats makes sense in a self serving way. To bad the karmic wheel doesn’t exist.
Would I help flood disasteer victims? Yes I would. I don’t see that risk as direct as blood born diseases. How did anyone “risk their lives” to help the victims?? I would be careful to expose myself only to minimal risk. Would I risk tipping my boat over so someone could get their pet? — No. People make choices and it honors them to let them suffer the consequences.
Now above at 26 and 31 I claim not to be blaiming the victim. I do come pretty close to if I didn’t and no one has come back on me. I do make a moral “on average” judgment about stabbing victims but my decision to stand back is only related to the blood and stranger status.
Fun to have basic assumptions challenged? I enjoy it, when it happens.
46. OK if you think we all did it for some sort of karmic reward then whatever. I am done with that. I didnt even like this particular neighbor.
“How did anyone “risk their lives” to help the victims?? ”
As I stated the house was in immenent danger of further collapse, a man was trapped while 6 people (2 women included) tried to lift the beam off his arm). The bleeding was profuse and tourniquets applied, thats why he lost his arm, and his livlihood (as a chef) we had to get a chainsaw to cut him out, the rain was torrential and on this steep hill the structure was moving above us.
I think your issue is just the blood phobia, makes me queasy, but thats about it. What is the disease called when people wash their hands 100 times a day (not OCD) but the fear of germs. Howard Hughes disease, lol?
The handwashing is a specific kind of OCD, mark.
47—Exactly. and if i had arachnaphobia, who would criticize me for not wanting to help a woman covered in spiders?????
I never said I was right and anyone else was wrong. Just the oppossite.
Silly rabbits.
49. OK, I have a fear of clowns, so if someone is beig attacked by killer clowns, then fuck em, their on their own.
#38 – Shove your attitude up your ass… I asked about the headline. I already addressed the image and the fact that you are picking a fight for the sake of picking a fight.
Frank,
Conservatives of all stripes suck. Including the Right Wing Evangelical Conservative Republican Radio Jocks. And if they are from Kansas they suck even more.
Are you happy now?
Bobbo,
I get it. You have a blood hang up. Geeze, I don’t like seeing mine pour out either. Now quit denying you sound like a coward with weak excuses.
What would I do in a similar circumstance?
I don’t know for a fact. It is too easy to play armchair quarterback and spout they should have done this or that.
I think The first thing I would have done is do a very quick assessment of her condition, then yell for someone to call 911. Stopping the bleeding would be next then checking her breathing. I would also keep yelling for someone to call 911 until I was reassured that the call was made. Then there are a hundred other things that could be done depending upon the situation.
I would hope that my first aid training didn’t desert me.
What I would not do.
Step over the woman or pretend she didn’t exist. Don’t get me wrong. I love a lot of snack foods on the shelves today. If I am that hungry, they’ll be there when I’m done with the victim. Gee, the ruckus just might cause a price reduction later on.
I wouldn’t look at her and decide her color is wrong.
I wouldn’t prejudge that all violent crime victims deserve it.
25. “The dumb graphics used as punch lines is really this blog’s weak point”
Sometimes it’s the little jabs that hurt the most! 😉
Seriously, this was the pic I was going to use. Now this was dumb!
54—-Looks like we agree on everything except the helping part.
#39 – jz
“Let me make some educated guesses.”
OK.
“The person who stabbed this 27 year old woman was probably black (statistics say the most common offender of crimes against blacks are blacks), and we assume the victim is black based on her name.”
And the assumption, based on awareness of black culture in present-day America, is correct. Actually, in crimes of violence against members of all racial groups, blacks are extremely overrepresented.
“And the outrage in this case is that 5 people, presumably white, did nothing to help. But 911 was called in 2 minutes.”
Oops. Wait just a second. Where did “presumably white” come from?
So far, the only statistically and empirically supported presumptions we can make are the race of the perpetrator and the victim. This could’ve occurred in a white, black, Hispanic or ethnically mixed neighborhood.
“So my guess is the point of the news story is not outrage at a black stabbing a black, the outrage is at white people not reacting to a black person being stabbed.
If my guess is right, then this story is blatantly racist.”
Well, since your guess is predicated upon a totally unfounded assumption that the attack took place amidst a group of whites, your guess is not supported by what is known, so no conclusion such as yours can be made without further data.
So, rather than guess, let’s fill in the blanks. The most recent story on the incident can be found here.
First, we find the name of the killer, which is Cherish M. McCullough. Now, Ms. McCullough might be white, she might be Amerind, she might be Japanese. But given her name, just as with the victim, we may safely assume that she is black. Lending support to that assumption are the facts that most knife attacks by women are committed by blacks, most blacks are killed by blacks and that black women commit murder far more frequently than women from other ethnic groups. She also reportedly fled the scene in the company of a black male.
So at this point it’s safe to say that you are almost certainly correct, that both the attacker and the victim are black.
But what about the witnesses, the onlookers who took no action to help the victim? White, black, Hispanic, other, mixed?
They were all black. This is a black-patronized store in a black neighborhood. Take a look.
Unfortunately, this is not an isolated incident. Blacks are far less likely to report crimes than whites and far less likely to assist crime victims, either to come to their aid or to coöperate with authorities. The infamous “Stop Snitching” video is a reflection of this alienation of the black underclass from the mainstream of American society, as is this incident in Wichita.
Now, it’s time to welcome DU’s Resident Politically Correct Race-Baiting Marxist propagandist, Al Sharpton III – better known to readers here as Podesta.
He will arrive to post shortly, spewing anti-white racism and promoting the professional victim lifestyle. Stand by for bold words, rich with ad hominem attacks, KKK-mongering and a conspicuous shortage of actual facts, all wrapped up in a huffy, judgmental self-righteous smokescreen of lies, slander and deception.
I will now take a seat on the sideline and watch the festivities, as Pod-person invokes the spirit of Tawana Brawley, Crystal Mangum and a host of other anti-white racist frauds..
Watch as he attempts to blame white people for this incident, as he blames them for every dysfunctional thing done by blacks and / or to blacks in modern America. White sheets and Jim Crow. It’s like the 50s never ended!
my goodness lauren you are outstanding, i wonder if we are thought-clones i agree with your post 1 million percent, you are a superb poster you cannot be approached for eloquence and well reasoned factual minded argumentation. thank goodness for such excellence
and by the way there is one reason and one reason only for the decision to not release the video the authorities do not want to embarress black people
Lauren the Bigot never misses an opportunity to impose racist babbling on any thread in which blacks are mentioned. Heck, next he will be claiming that Barack Obama is his intellectual inferior and ‘naturally’ violent. I am going to ask once again that LTB confine his bigoted beliefs to American Renaissance and Stormfront. Imposing them at DV makes it appear that the editors of this site support white supremacy. That is not fair to them.
For example:
“Lending support to that assumption are the facts that most knife attacks by women are committed by blacks, most blacks are killed by blacks and that black women commit murder far more frequently than women from other ethnic groups. She also reportedly fled the scene in the company of a black male.”
This makes no sense to anyone not effected by the mental disorder that results in extreme bigotry.
•Victims of violent crime are of the same race in the overwhelming majority of cases, not just when black people are involved.
•Nor is there any evidence that race determines who uses a knife in an attack or that blacks or any other group are more likely to. In the U.S., because of the wide availability of guns, most serious or fatal attacks result from being shot, regardless of the race of the persons involved.
•More than 90 percent of violent crime in the U.S. is committed by males. Too claim that black women are anywhere near as likely to commit such crimes as men of any race is ludicrous.
•The evidence shows that black Americans are several times more likely to be victims of crime than white Americans.
I will agree with one thing Lauren the Bigot says. For him it is as if the ’50s never ended. The 1850s. He is as determined to dehumanize black people and promote white supremacy as any slave owner ever was. I suspect that his fixation on claiming people of African descent are not fully human is compensation for his own failings. He wants to believe that being born with fair skin is a great accomplishment that proves him better than the majority of the world’s population. That is delusional.
Once again, any humane person would have tried to help the stabbing victim. LTB’s applauding of her death because of her race reveals the inhumanity of some Americans.
podesta
you are not worthy to clean the keyboard that LTG types from, you are a big nothing not worthy of any response other than to keep myself active here and see if others contribute to this discussion
whites are sick to death of the black excuses and an ever increasing number are awakening to the marxist multi-cult lies and the black pity game
if only we could have joe friday here as overseer and judge: “just the facts man just give us the facts”
but of course both the marxist multi-cultists and the black supremicsts have no interest in the facts all they care about are BLACK RACE NUMBERS and playing their BLAME WHITEY game for every possible shortcoming and failure and as long as there exists herds and herds of guilted whitesheep the multi-cult fascists goons and the black extremists will cry a great weep and wail sob and scream “RACISM’ “RACISM” at every opportunity and for everything under the sun
only because of masses and masses of stupid useless guilted whites dumb as dirt and good for nothing until they wake up and see themselves lined up being lead to their own racial-cultural extinction
Yep. That’s pretty much it…