I heard this guy on NPR at lunchtime. Interesting argument. As he put it, a mother legally can carry a handgun for protection all day long, but when she comes to campus for a night class, she can’t. After Virginia Tech, you have to wonder what would have happened there if students had been armed.
Va. Tech Killings Underscore Guns-on-Campus Campaign
Some college students are pushing for their schools to allow them to carry guns on campus.
They say they should have the right to protect themselves in the event of a shooting like the one that left 33 people dead at Virginia Tech.
Andrew Dysart, a George Mason University senior, has organized a chapter of Students for Concealed Carry on Campus.
The group hopes to convince legislators to overturn a Virginia law that allows universities to prohibit students, faculty and staff members with gun permits from carrying their weapons on campus.
Dysart says that the students at Tech should have had a chance to defend themselves.
Virginia law allows schools to decide whether to allow students with concealed-weapons permits to carry their guns on campus.
One state school, Blue Ridge Community College, does allow it. Schools cannot prohibit non-students or other outsiders from carrying weapons onto campuses if they have legal permits.
After Virginia Tech, you have to wonder what would have happened if students had been armed.
Good thinking… perhaps more conflicts would be resolved with duels instead of words? Long to see debating class with a bunch of armed students.
If everyones carrying a gun, how do you know if youve just shot the kid that just killed a handfull of his classmates, or the kid that just shot that kid?
Good thinking… perhaps more conflicts would be resolved with duels instead of words? Long to see debating class with a bunch of armed students.
Perhaps.. What was the conflict at VA tech again? Oh right, there really was no conflict.. just a nut with a gun. No argument to be solved with words. Just unbridled killing. If those 33 students were all carrying guns, I’ll bet more of them would be alive today.
I should point out first I like guns a lot – before I say:
This sounds like a recipe for a much worse disaster. There’s a lot of semi-unstable, semi-drunk, semi-stoned college students on campus, even in the early morning hours who might be particularly dangerous, especially if they haven’t gotten home from partying the night before, all carrying concealed weapons.
There must be some use for some common sense somewhere, sometime in this world.
Thank you mrmigu
For some reason people never seem to think past the imagined scenario of some student saving the day and killing the shooters, and think of the reality of many random people drawing weapons during an extremly chaotic situation.
Life is not an action movie, it’s just not that simple.
Raff, think about the reality of the proposed scenario for at least a second before coming to your ” If those 33 students were all carrying guns, I’ll bet more of them would be alive today.” conclusion.
I don’t think reality agrees with you.
#1 Can you find one case where two or more people who had concealed carry permits ever had a shoot out?
#2 There would still be less people dead.
#4 Then we should remove all cars and knives from university campuses. Not to mention the odd nuclear reactor. http://reactor.reed.edu/
#5 For a little while there the only difference between an action movie and what happened was that the folks couldn’t defend themselves. And they aren’t random people. Those with CCW permits have all passed a training course and had a background check run on them.
Concealed carry works.
http://tinyurl.com/6hfq9
#5..
What are you saying its impossible for a classroom of 33 people to each have a gun? Such as a class full of police officers? Think police don’t have training courses?
Do you suppose that if your sitting in a classroom with 32 other students. and someone barges in and starts shooting that the other 32 people don’t know who was doing it?
If everyones carrying a gun, how do you know if you’ve just shot the kid that just killed a handfull of his classmates, or the kid that just shot that kid?
Is your head buried in the sand or something during this scenario??
How do you not know? Even if you half asleep if someone comes in and starts shooting, most people are bound to figure that one out.
I’m not saying all college students should carry firearms. but if they are legal to carry a concealed weapon, and are properly train in its use and accept the consequences if they use it in a wrong way, then why not?
Whos got statistics on accidental or wrongful deaths commited by concealed carry permit holders?
It seems like virginia is already a concealed weapon state, and they are very gun ho, so yea i dont see why they need to put guns away when they get to school.
in Iraq toddlers are allowed to carry guns, so why not, its not so bad over there right?
Yep, give everyone a gun. That’s definitely the answer to solving any type of violence. What a mentality there is out there in the US for the question to even be asked! Very sad.
An armed society is a polite society.
I’m conflicted on this issue of people carrying guns around all the time.
On the one hand, if more people were armed in the school, perhaps the shooter would have been eliminated sooner, and more people would be alive.
On the other hand, I can think of a few instances in the past where I was so bloody angry at someone, that maybe, just MAYBE, if I had been carrying a gun, I might have killed someone. And I’m a relatively laid back person, too, not easily angered.
Now, take this scenario (common person gets angry at someone else and uses their gun to settle the score) and multiply it by thousands of people carrying guns…I dunno. That can’t be good.
#6,
1. THE ONLY weapon that is considered as a firearm, and CONCEALED is a pistol… IF you could see EVERY person that HAD a gun, would you need a concealed permit.
If you could walk down the street and SEE a gun on Some person, walking down the street, wouldnt you call the cops??
Do you knw that in a few states ITS OK, to carry a gun, UNCONCEALED, anyplace you want.
I wonder what it would take to have HALL MONITORS…To have TEACHERS standing in the HALLS between classes, to MONITOR the kids, and break up fights, and send the BULLIES to the office. TO IDENTIFY those having internal/mental problems and HELPING.
Can you see some DRUNK ASS, getting insulted, or his girl gets TAKEN from him…Whipping out a Colt, and Putting the GUN in your face??
I would RATHER see a Sleeping gas system installed for emergencies…
All I see in this, is a way to militarize Students.
Yeah, more guns, that’ll make everything better……..
#3 “If those 33 students were all carrying guns, I’ll bet more of them would be alive today.”
Perhaps, but I bet that a lot more other students wouldn’t be.
“An armed society is a polite society.”
Hmm…I live in a city where *not one* of the people I’ve ever grown up with has had a firearm and I grew up with a LOT of people. I think we’re polite and we don’t fear the streets so I’m very proud of that. It’s a nice way to live, really.
ECA,
I like your idea of gassing the students, except that an administrator who does like a sit-in protest blocking a door may use it on those kids too…
#13 Yes I’m aware that some states have open carry laws. What’s your point. Have there been a lot of school shootings in those states? And no why would I if it is legal. I see people carrying guns all the time.
Again there are DRUNK ass people off campus who get in fights yet I can’t find one case of a person with a CCW permit shooting anyone during a fight.
Sleeping gas. That worked so well when they tried it in Russia. http://tinyurl.com/2zqwjl
117 Hostages were killed by the gas.
1. Good thinking… perhaps more conflicts would be resolved with duels instead of words? Long to see debating class with a bunch of armed students.
Ummm you try debating a crazy person with a gun with words and see how long you live.
The crime rate for those people that have taken the time and money to go through the concealed carry process is VERY low.
Criminals by definition don’t obey laws.
Gun free school zones led to school shootings (Columbine, etc. all happened after the passage of that law).
A concealed carry holder is not ordained to be a law enforcement officer, they can protect themselves and their loved ones. They are not permitted to become a super hero.
15… Why don’t you come pay my town a visit then.. We’re usually good for at least one murder a day.
And for those of you who think guns are a bad idea.. What do you suggest to a classroom full of people who are being held at gunpoint then being knocked off one by one?
Call 911, take pictures with your cell phone, scream like a little girl and run around in circles until you’ve been shot dead while waiting for the cops to come save you, who are busy elsewhere securing the area and setting up a perimeter?
This sounds worst and worst… Who the hell recommends people bring guns to school???
20…. I feel so bad for you that you are in that type of situation. Your country is a violent one and big solutions have to be considered. The mentality has to be changed. The legislation has to be changed. The NRA has to be modified. The gun lobbyists have to be reined in. I think that money talks and the gun companies don’t care a whit about the consequences of their manufacturing, much like the tobacco industry. I don’t see anything in your future that will change much though.
It’ll take one very, very brave person to get the ball rolling to try eliminating the gun violence. Perhaps one day, you’ll get a champion. I hope so.
21. Sane, law-abiding citizens that want to protect themselves should be given the opportunity to defend themselves. Do you think having a sign up and a policy stating there are “No Guns Allowed” is the answer to preventing this tragedy? I am not saying an 18 year old meth addict should be permitted to carry on campus. But a mature person that has taken the proper steps to qualify as for a permit should be afforded the right to defend themselves against the crazies out there. I can’t believe that this country is moving toward a society where the criminals have more rights than the law-abiding citizens. This video I thought was in interesting way to make fun of the “gun free zones”
Gun Free Zones
“An armed society is a polite society.”
Yeah, everybody carries guns in Bosnia. REAL
polite place there. Dodge City was too, until
those liberal killjoys the Earps took the guns away
and turned it into to an impolite hell-hole.
Grow up, and stop repeating libertarian nonsense
written to impress 11-year-old Heinlein readers.
Sorry, I goofed up the link, darn gun got in the way 🙂
Gun Free Zones
22.. Yeah but what can you do? Vote? Move to Alaska to get away from it all?
Oh wait they have grizzlies and polar bears. Hmmm.. What a moral quandary. I’ll bet if you feed them and talk nicely too them they won’t hurt you. .. sort of like the homeless camps about 5 minutes from my place.
23.. I never said anything about high school students. Most of whom are under 18, and that is a different situation entirely. I am merely suggesting that if one is able to legally carry a concealed weapon, then why not?
I’m not suggesting EVERYONE has to carry, or that everyone should.
The Earps were in Tombstone, Arizona, moron.
Grow up, and stop repeating libertarian nonsense
written to impress 11-year-old Heinlein readers.
I see you prefer the victim mentality. And thats fine, if thats what you believe in , but if I have a legal right to carry concealed, who are you to tell me otherwise?
The NRA has to be modified. The gun lobbyists have to be reined in. I think that money talks and the gun companies blah blah blah
Ha ha… it’s all a conspiracy dreamed up by the NRA… to you the fact that the NRA is well-funded because the American people agree with its positions is irrelevant and immaterial to you. You gunphobes are so out of touch with reality.
ECA,
Your the guy that said life isn’t like an action movie yet you want to use an action movie solution, sleeping gas.
Next time you are going into surgery please note the guy up near your head. He is an anesthesiologist. He is there to make sure you don’t get too much sleeping gas and die. There isn’t some magic sleeping gas that will just knock everyone out all at once. What do you think the shooter will do if they don’t happen to be the first person to be knocked out?