This is pathetic. Why couldn’t Microsoft, with it’s billions in development money available, make Vista work this well on this antique computer? Why can’t it run in even the most basic, cut down configuration? Yeah, they might be helping Intel, etc sell new hardware, but what is it about the design of Windows as an OS that requires such powerful hardware to even boot? It’s got to be more than simple bloat and backward compatibility requirements.
Computer Specs:
PIII 800 + 128 MB RAM + GeForce 2 MX/400 32 MB RAMXubuntu 7.10 Gutsy Gibbon + Compiz-Fusion + Emerald.
Who cares about Vista when the Linux community is giving you better stuff?….for FREE!
I bought this computer in october of 2000 and those are the basic compiz settings…i didn’t even mind tweaking it, it’s still better than Vista.
I have an older PC – I bought it in 2003. It’s a 2.4 Ghz Pentium D, 2GB RAM, 120GB hard drive and an ATI Radeon 9600 AGP graphics card.
So why does it take Windows 17 seconds to load MS-Word 2003? Why does it take Windows XP more than 2 minutes to start up?
And why does Windows Live Messenger crash about 50% of the time when logging in?
I keep considering buying a new PC. But then I realize that it will have Vista pre-installed. So I poke myself in the eye with a pencil until the thought of it goes away.
Yeah, I have seen Linux do stuff like this on an 8MB Intel i810 video card.
I was hoping he would show that you can put the video(TV?) player ‘half way’ on the cube, so that you can see it playing partially on two side of the cube, while moving the desktop-cube around.
Could be a few reasons. The first one is they simply don’t care. Windows is top dog. Balmer could crap on a plate put a Windows, new and improved, sign on it and people will buy it. Windows is so entrenched that many are trapped and can’t go elsewhere. Some know nothing other then windows.(the same who think the big E is the internet).
The second reason is more sinister, but not beyond M$. Keep the hardware requirements high, so chip makers can sell more chips. In return for this, the chip makers start putting in feature, in the name of security or some other bullshit, that either only Windows can use or even preventing any other OS then Windows to run.
I think its probably the first reason, but nothing would surprise me with that scumbag company.
Simple,
Microsoft has two customers… Enterprises for VLK and OEMS. The rest of them buyers are just to fill in the spaces. Microsoft enterprise deployment tools are frickin’ amazing. Legacy integration is similarly amazing. Those are it’s bread and butter. They don’t have a desire to make old machines work better since OEM’s don’t like that. They don’t have a desire to make more flash than the bare minimum.
I use Ubuntu 7.10 on a T41, and it’s pretty solid. Except for video corruption after hibernation, 5 minute boot times (i still can’t figure it out) and dumb ass configuration of the trackpoint by default it’s pretty amazing. but, MS does NOT want you to install Vista on a 4 year old machine and have kick ass performance.
If MS actually cared about customers, they would have made a stable, robust OS. But they don’t. They know the majority of their software installs come with a support centre / help desk. Good enough.
BTW, has anyone else noticed how horrible wireless network connections perform in Vista? GAWD AWFUL!
Actually compiz-fusion does more more than demonstrated in this video and it’s pretty much available on any Linux distribution. Of course it’s eye-candy, but way cool eye-candy.
The really amazing thing isn’t just the minimal hardware requirements but the time it took the community to develop and implement it showing what community developed sw is capable of doing.
This is a P-III, 550M, with 526M RAM, running 98SE, on dial up, which is all that is available here. The computer is far more capable than the bandwidth in can supply. Why should I upgrade either the computer or the OS?
Although I’m getting a bit tired of Fire Fox crashing for Page Faults.
Here is a thought,
Before I switched to Ubuntu Feisty (then gutsy) I used to pirate Vista ultimate.. now I dont WANT to pirate Windows. Here is why, some cold hard facts.
I have a 2.4ghz single core AMD FX-53 w/ 1mb of cache. I have 1GB of DDR and a shitload of hdisk space.
In Vista, the performance was as follows. At idle on the desktop with no apps running Vista would use 30-45% of the CPU on its own and 70% of the memory.
On Ubuntu, running Compiz, awn and a few other things the processor sits between 5 – 15% usage on desktop. And used 30% of the memory.
Vista: 70% memory
Linux: 30% memory
Vista: 45% cpu
Linux: 15% cpu
This link shows 2 things:
http://tinyurl.com/yq9d2z
Said ubuntu desktop running on the above hardware, and VNC’d logged into a 450mhz G4 cube w/ 1.5GB of SDR, 300GB hdisk. Running 10.5 Leopard SERVER.
So I can run 2007 software quite happily on year 2000 hardware. I would absolutely hate to try installing Vista on a PIII 800mhz.
the point I’m making though is that…. Windows isn’t even worth pirating anymore :D.
I kinda have the impression that it was the piracy of windows and office that helped along their monopoly in the first place.
Crikey®™, Unca Dave…
To quote the great Jean-Baptiste Emmanuel Zorg, “I am… ver-y dis-a-pointed.”
Pls let me remind you – it is neither a joke nor is it a slam, it is the truth – R&D, just like great, creative programmers, is a cost center. It diminshes the windfall profits that come from selling, once break-even has been reached, a 25¢ DVD for $500.
I can’t stand microsoft products anymore.. In my opinion Microsoft Office is the only thing that they did well..
I got impressed by the new mac os x Leopard…And thats why I moved to apple’s OS..
You should do what this mac ad says: give up on vista!
Apple FTW!
To quote the great Jean-Baptiste Emmanuel Zorg, “I am… ver-y dis-a-pointed.”
I watch that movie every time its on.
I only need 1 comment…
I WANT TO PLAY GAMES…
CURRENT ONES… Show me HL2, with ep1 and ep2 running and I will change in a SECOND…
How long have we been using a mouse and keyboard? With the massive resources at hand, where is MS’s innovation to develop an alternative to an antiquated input system ?????
Perhaps some of the $200,000,000 (that’s right, almost a quarter billion !!) that Paul Allen spent on this …
http://tinyurl.com/avhax
… could have gone to input device research.
With undisputed dominance over global computing (however arrived at) comes a responsibility to the customers that made them rich, not just the shareholders.
Haven’t seen it yet, not holding my breath either.
Have Vista on my laptop, with the proper hardware, it runs just fine. What do people expect when they put a new operating system on old hardware
“What do people expect when they put a new operating system on old hardware”
The point being that if you put linux on it would be twice as fast 😛
A year from now I’ll be surprised if your still squawking about your crippleware when you need to upgrade again.
Half Life 2? You mean like this?
http://tinyurl.com/3a9pg6
[Please use TinyUrl.com for overly long URLs. – ed.]
Where is the money to be made on making software for old machines? The new machines have the upgraded processing power, so it pays off to not worry about efficiency of coding, and just put in the features people want. I would do the exact same thing if I were spending money trying to make an OS. Why spend hundreds of millions of money and all those man hours trying to get things working in 64 MB RAM? Just figure people will upgrade, and if they don’t it’s still worth the loss of sale to not develop that perfect OS.
There was the same issue with Office. Various companies would bring out their super light-footprint office software like ASAP. Well those things never took off because the market is so limited.
I just laugh when I see MS crap. Even Xubuntu looks ancient compared to this…
OSX Leopard Demo
Take note of how fast it is and how well it works.
@ # 20
Hey Jim… it seems to run so fast I dont see it!
Although tbh, and if your careful what you enable/disable I still think compiz/emerald has better features than the CURRENT leopard interface…. not to say of course people wont take advantage of core animation but I’d love to see this demo your talking about because all I see is highlighted text?
[Fixed. – ed.]
hey pedro you’ve just invented a new word 😛
» Video: Why Can’t MS Vista Do This? Dvorak Uncensored: General …
22 pedro said, in November 22nd, 2007 at 1:39 pm. #15 you know about the MS table, don’t you? #20 it took quite long for naccrap to appear in a linux thread …
http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=14715 – 5 hours ago – Similar pages — google was pretty fast to index it too
If you really optimize your Windoze install (NOT Vista Though) you CAN make it pretty snappy. A friend of mine is an uber geek, and I’ve seen him running 4 simultaneous demos of Serious Sam onscreen in their own windows on an PIII 1 GHz with a gig of RAM, a Via Chipset MB and I believe, an nvidia Geforce MX4400. They ran very smoothly. Same setup seen running several AVI’s in their own windows without a lot of stutter as well. The OS? Windows 2000. I may have been mistaken about the video card, as he has also at times, had an nvidia 5200 and an ATI 9600. Not exactly current State-of-the-Art. The rest of the system has stayed the same.
My secondary system is running Ubuntu 7.04, so I’m not a Redmond fanboi.
>>Have Vista on my laptop, with the
>>proper hardware, it runs just fine.
I have Vista on my laptop too, with plenty of RAM and plenty of HD space, and I’d rate it “pretty fucking lame”. On a good day.
They should have stuck with XP/ SP3. All that time and resources, and THIS is the best they can come up with? Pffft.
That said, my socks aren’t exactly knocked off by the Xubuntu video. So they can flip the cube in a snappy fashion, and the video works. Big woop. How about showing us the performance when there are 3 or 4 resource-intensive applications running?
#16
“where is MS’s innovation to develop an alternative to an antiquated input system”
Oh, there have been plenty of “innovative” peripherials, but alas, all those engineers have one thing in commong and is that they can’t understand that consumers won’t spend $800+ on a peripherial for their $400- computers.
I can’t wait for a $50 Wiimote clone for the PC.
#20 – JimR – That’s a pretty impressive demo. Obviously the Mac is a great system for non-computer-literate people. It has some nice built-in features.
Linux is for folks who don’t mind devoting large amounts of available life span to tweaking computers. I tried Ubuntu, on an older computer, and if all I wanted to do was do spreadsheets, word processing and check email it would probably be ok. But I could see a never ending (Yuk) vista of hoops to jump through, and quite frankly, I’d rather create animations and graphics, and the sound tracks to go with them, than spend my time trying to get Gimp, or Blender, or whatever to run on a cranky machine that, like an attention deprived young woman, demands constant stroking in order to achieve any respectable level of performance. I can snap together a Windows machine in a couple of hours, install the O/S and applications and go to work. My question is: If Linux and Mac are so much better than Windows, then why does market share not reflect this? Is it because Windows users are all a bunch of dumb asses? I don’t think so.
Hop, as a character in The Horse’s Mouth asks, ‘is it a joke, or are you trying to be funny?’ You find some nitrous oxide under the Xmas tree, or have some mushrooms of dubious provenance with your turkey earlier?
Somehow I just don’t buy the idea of ol’ Hop trolling, so come clean. Are you maybe channeling our resident Mac troll pedro, or did Billy the G recently send you your very own autographed 8×10 glossy, or what? 😉
“My question is: If Linux and Mac are so much better than Windows, then why does market share not reflect this? Is it because Windows users are all a bunch of dumb asses? I don’t think so.”
Omar, you vastly overrate the intelligence of the American idiot consumer, and underrate the power of peer pressure and marketing.
I’ll repeat it once again, since you must never have been exposed to this particular fact of life: Popularity is never an indicator of quality.
If the judgement of the masses determined what’s good and what’s bad, then Madonna would be the world’s best singer and McDonalds would serve the world’s best food; Wal-Mart would be a far better store than Nordstrom and Arnold Schwarzenegger a far better actor than Alec Guiness.
All of these things are no less absurd than the thought that the average American consumer, who doesn’t know enough to set the fucking clock on a VCR or can find the “Any” key, makes intelligent, informed, well-considered choices when buying computers. You don’t get out much, because if you did, you would’ve long ago become aware that to a sizable percentage of Americans, ‘computer’ is synonymous with ‘Windows computer’ because they are literally oblivious to the fact that any other OS even exists, since they don’t even know what an OS is.
Lock up the cave and hike into town one of these days. You’ll be surprised what you’ll learn about those 300 million other Americans.
When it comes to consumer goods and tech, Omar ol’ pal, the best in virtually any category has a minority market share, since they are purchased by the smaller number of people in the upper reaches of the normal IQ curve. You might not’ve noticed, but Mustangs outsell Aston Martins by the same sort of margin that Windows boxes outsell Macs. That, of course, proves that Aston Martins are inferior pieces of shit.
So in response to your comment, no, Windows users are not ALL dumbasses, but that isn’t necessary. The majority of average consumers who are Windows users are that by either default or by being a sucker – and they are dumbasses. Live with it,
Until very recently, if you walked into a store to buy a computer, your choice was from a selection of different PC brands – all running Windows – or, maybe, a few types of Macs.
While Macs may be “easier” – people bought the Pcs because there were more to choose from, they appeared to be cheaper, had more software, etc – the usual excuses.
Now, finally, some places (like Wal-mart) are selling PCs with Linux pre-installed. Or you can get purpose-built devices like the Asus Eee PC. And the Mac market share is gradually creeping up – reflecting the market demand for a choice. But it will take some time.
And time is what MSFT needs – to kick them out of their complacency and try and fix things. Or at least let the new hardware get fast enough.
Three Headed Cat, I like your style. 🙂
#29 hhopper, “the Mac is a great system for non-computer-literate people”
I agree. More importantly, the computer illiterate, the majority, have a better chance of becoming computer literate if the system they are using is more intuitive, productive, and enjoyable to use. It’s also a great system for computer literate people for those same reasons.