Moved BACK to the top until it runs out of steam!
I was always told that Christianity was a monotheistic religion but I want to challenge that because clearly it is not. First the definitions:
- No Gods – Atheism
- One God – Monotheism
- Two or more Gods – Polytheism
First, I’m not even going through the “Holy Ghost” thing except to say that “Trinity” means 3 and 3 > 1.
Assuming that:
- God is a deity
- Jesus is a deity
- Jesus and God are individuals
Then God and Jesus are two and 2 > 1.
Therefore Christianity is polytheism.
Polytheism isn’t a matter of belief. I personally am a Realist and I don’t believe any of it. However when one objectively classifies religious beliefs based on the number of gods, I’m counting two. Some would count three, but either is greater than one.
The reference is the Bible. According to the stories Jesus and God are two individuals. God was in the Old Testament, Jesus was not. Jesus was born of a virgin, God was not. Jesus addresses God as a separate individual. They have different stories. They have different roles. That talk to each other the way separate people talk.
The bottom line is – they are both deities and they are two individuals. Therefore Christianity is a polytheistic religion.
Mr. Mustard
“If you don’t want to blame it on the Jews, whom would you like to blame it on?”
Why is there any blame at all? Blame has a negative connotation. Wouldn’t it be more of a “Reason” ? You choose “blame” that speaks volumes especially if you know the historical context of the phrase “Blame the Jews”
“And here is Scottie’s post, from which I was clipping vocabulary terms:”
Ok that one. I will give you. I did not read that post.
“And if that’s “offensive to Jews or Muslims”, that would be just too fucking bad.”
And then you post that!! Well? Ok you boy lover!
“I don’t ask other people to believe my own personal fantasies about religion”
Oh so you admit that your belief are just fantasies? Do those fantasies include sex with young boys? Sick fuck!
“If you think I’m a racist, you’re too fucked in the head to even have a discussion with.”
Well I think you may be. You may not know it yourself because you think it is all ok. There are lots of people who don’t think they are racists but have hidden racist view. I think you might be one of them due to your insensitive remarks.
“Well, I would not use that sort of vocabulary myself”
Well that’s good to hear.
“but I hear it from “those with darker skin” all the time”
Really? I don’t hear allot of Hispanics, Jews, Saudi’s, Iraqis, Egyptians, Chinese, Japanese Unless of course they are using it in a racist tone. Who do you hear it from?
Thank you for proving my point.
“And if you think calling someone from the Orient an Oriental person is tantamount to calling a Black person (not just African-Americans, but those of African lineage no matter what their citizenship) a “nigger”, well, you’re just to fucked in the head to even have a discussion with.”
Do a little research on the history of the word “Oriental” then do a little research on the word “Nigger”. You might find it enlightening. They were used to describe people in a negative way.
The Trinity is a mystery because historic Christianity insists that it is. The truth about this is actually easy to understand. Jesus really isn’t God but has the right to call himself God and to represent God in everything.
http://everythingimportant.org/Godhead/
BET YOU DIDN’T KNOW DEPT. # 59,379:
Christianity is polytheistic. Ain’t that a bitch?
OFTLO:
This is my source on General Tso:
http://tinyurl.com/mo3j
I realize it’s a long-haired hippy-type pinko fag publication (Washington Post), but it seemed fairly authoritative.
>>I’m not sure I like the racist implication
>>that Mexicans are somehow inferior when it
>>somes to frying chicken
Come on. Everybody knows that culinary skills are heritable ethnic traits. You try mixing them (like Italian and Hawaiian) and you end up with an abomination like pineapple on pizza. I’d as soon have sushi served up by a short-order cook at a highway greasy spoon!
Where was God yesterday at The New Life Church in Colorado? Or, as it is now known as The New Run For Your Life Church.
the Three-Headed Cat said,
“my old friend J, whose life consists of selflessly taking offense at everything on behalf of those people he condescending doesn’t believe are smart enough to take offense on their own.”
I am Hebrew, Irish, French, Chinese, Russian, Scottish, Welsh. So……. I guess I would be taking it on behalf of myself.
“Really? Is that so? Well, boyo, a lot of Irish ARE drunks. ”
Got any data to back that up or just you opinion? I would think not.
“Thanks for setting us straight on that.”
No problem glad I could help. Maybe you will feel better about yourself now.
“A few minutes ago, I was talking briefly on the phone with my brother’s wife, who was born in mainland China. I asked her, “So if I said you were an Oriental, what would you say?” Her response was, “I’d say, well, DUH!” Should I call her back and tell her she’s supposed to be mortally insulted?”
Really? I seriously doubt that I will take you at your word. it still proves nothing. I have Jewish friends that you can call kike and they don’t care. Doesn’t change the fact that it is considered insulting.
Mr Mustard
“I realize it’s a long-haired hippy-type pinko fag publication”
Well it seems the boy lover has a self image issue.
>>Really? I don’t hear allot of Hispanics,
>>Jews, Saudi’s, Iraqis, Egyptians, Chinese,
>>Japanese Unless of course they are using it
>>in a racist tone. Who do you hear it from?
Well. Duh. I hear it from people who might find themselves the victim of being called “nigger”. I’ve never heard a Japanese person called “nigger”, so that’s not where I hear it.
>>Why is there any blame at all?
Oh for Christ’s sake. Are you this sensitive about everything? Do you find yourself crying a lot? I meant “blame it on the Jews” in a similar fashion to “Blame it on the Bossa Nova”. Or do you think Edeye Gormé had a racist thing going for Brazilians? (I hope it’s OK for me to say “Brazilians”.)
>>Ok you boy lover!
Are you a homophobe?
>>Oh so you admit that your belief are
>>just fantasies? Do those fantasies
>>include sex with young boys? Sick fuck!
Wow. You are one twisted dude. I hope you reschedule that therapy session and get to work on these “issues” of yours. You sound like you might be a danger to yourself and others.
“Do a little research on the history of the word “Oriental” then do a little research on the word “Nigger”. You might find it enlightening. They were used to describe people in a negative way.”
Don’t you ever tire of talking shit, son?
Orientals were called Orientals because a term was necessary to refer to people from the Orient, fool.
And ‘nigger’ started as nothing other than a dialect corruption of ‘nigra,’ which evolved linguistically from ‘negro.’ It meant a black person, as opposed to a person who was not black and nothing more.
Despite what your fairytale propaganda tells you, even in the time of slavery, far from everyone, in the North or the South, looked down on, hated or felt compelled to insult blacks. But since you never read any literature of the time, you wouldn’t know that.
Bet you cheered when they pulled Huckleberry Finn and Tom Sawyer off your school’s shelves before anyone made you read them, huh?
#272
>>Do a little research on the history of the word “Oriental” then do a little research on the word “Nigger”. You might find it enlightening. They were used to describe people in a negative way.<<
Every freaking ancient map shows “Orient” and people from that area were “oriental” and it has never been used in a negative meaning until politically correct idiots like you start to meddling with it.
Some languages describe “black man” or even a black color as “niger” without any negative conotations to it, sometimes its tied with the river Niger or the country Niger, but here I’ll agree with you, yes – “nigger” was a negative depiction of a black man in USA in its English since few hundred years, and it *still* is (in theory, because if next generation of black americans will all call themselves ‘niggers’ as so many already do, the “bad meaning” will become the relict of the past and it may become a common-language descriptive word without the negative conotations to it whatsoever).
ENglish is a live language, unlike i.e. Latin. Words change meanings – “gay” anybody?
Only politically correct whores try to see something where there is nothing to find.
Are you one of them?
#265 – has it occur to you, that *your* “common usage and reasoning for that usage” of the English is perhaps too local, too closely tied to your area,
No… And for the last time, it isn’t MY reasoning, but rather the reasoning handed down to me by the final authority on all topics… English professors.
I live in Indiana. I can assure you that language here isn’t hampered by pesky concerns about sensitivity or even the fundamental rules of grammar.
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I have long held that aside from meaning “Personal Computer” that PC is a meaningless term used as a slur by political faction X against political faction Y. Typical right against left, but the reverse isn’t totally uncommon.
Often, though, when I hear X give a rabid screed against Y being PC (whatever that means) what I am really hearing is a rabid screed about X being angry about Y calling him out on his bigotry.
Saying its more proper to use African American than Jungle Bunny isn’t being PC. It’s just having human decency and not being a racist fucktard.
Whatever though… I really amazed by how little I care about today’s hottest thread. By definition, Satan is a god and Christians believe in Satan, thus Christians are polytheists. There. I’ve answered this question three times now. It’s over.
How did the Jews and the Orientals get dragged into this?
Probably the same way “Hollywood Types” and “The Homosexual Agenda” gets dragged in whenever some crank wants to bitch about liberal candidate A’s position on a minor point of tax code.
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smarmy meandering sarcasm follows now, directed at you, but not to be taken too seriously….
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At any rate, I was not right about the defined usage of the word Oriental. You win, you’re right, and because of that I’m obviously high school dropout collecting welfare checks in his mother’s basement. It is probably not possible that I’m a normal guy who was in error.
Still, let’s talk more about Chinese food. That seems like an interesting topic.
>>Well it seems the boy lover has a
>>self image issue.
You’re losing it, son. Go have a good cry.
>>By definition, Satan is a god and
>>Christians believe in Satan, thus
>>Christians are polytheists.
I hate to pick nits here, but Satan is not a god. He’s an angel, and a fallen one at that.
Mr Mustard #264
“You’re right. However many there are, there are enough that even Jews themselves make fun of the “stereotype”, and they don’t get their knickers in a twist over it.”
You only think they are poking fun at themselves. They are actually poking fun at the stereo type itself. Shows what you know about humor.
“Gosh and golly, you should see the abuse I take here for my Christian beliefs. ”
Very different argument. By default a religion require that everyone believe the same way.
“Besides, you’re not a Jew anyway, right?”
Well according to you I am. But no I don’t consider myself a Jew. That doesn’t change the fact That my parents were and so are many members of my family.
“Weren’t you the one who said “Being a Jew” means you practice the Jewish faith.”
Yes I admitted I was wrong on that a while back in the blog.
“Hebrew decent (sic)”?? What does that mean?
That means there were plenty of people who descended from Hebrews but are now other religion or none at all. But I guess you can call them Jews. Like I said I was wrong about that. Kind of So I guess it would be ok to call them Jews.
>>I live in Indiana.
No wonder you can’t get any decent Chinese food.
Oh wait! Is that a stereotype?
There’s a good Greek restaurant in West Lafayette, though. The Parthenon. Too bad it’s overtly stereotypical; the staffers stand around in wife-beater t-shirts, slicking lamb off the spit for the gyros sandwiches, yelling at each other in Greek. Great spanakotiropita, too.
Damn. Can’t even get a decent meal these days without offending somebody.
#275 – Everybody knows that culinary skills are heritable ethnic traits. You try mixing them (like Italian and Hawaiian) and you end up with an abomination like pineapple on pizza.
See. If you want to win me over, you need only use indisputable logic, such as you have right there.
>>They are actually poking fun at the stereo
>>type itself. Shows what you know about humor.
Wow. That’s pretty arcane humor! The Jews I know (and I know quite a few, both religious and ethnic) don’t get that aspect of the humor either. They actually buy it. And even the most devout of the pro-Hebrew set (shiksas who are married to Jewish guys) don’t seem to quite get that aspect of the joke.
Imagine. A pushy person, making fun of the idea that others would consider them pushy. Incredible.
That’s either too Kaufmanesque to believe, or it sounds like somebody’s suffering from self-delusion.
bobbo #267
“So, we all have childhood trauma. Lots of KKK folks will say “You didn’t get beat up by some black—yada, yada” and use that for whatever BS they want to project onto the mass of innocent folks. ”
Oh no not even the same thing. Not even close.
First I am not projecting onto a mass of innocent folks. I am aiming directly at one person or 2 based directly on their own words. Not their race not their color. nothing but their words.
Second I don’t blame anyone but Mr. Mustard for his comments.
My point with the story of my brick incident was to explain my history with racism and how I have a more direct and severe experience with it than most and I am much more aware of the subtleties that have developed throughout my lifetime.
“Your personal experiences should make you sensitive to, but not conclusionary and less even accusatory”
I understand your point with that but I still don’t think you understand the issue. If it is not pointed out and condemned it will continue to acceptable. Like people still referring to Chinese as Orientals
“Never again!” but sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.”
Understood. And I did just start out fucking with him but then I sensed a tone. A tone that I am very familiar with.
#282 you’ve said that, not me.
I dont care are you a welfare collecting fatb black bimbo, stupid blondie, NY jew, arab, millioner – whatever. You say youre from Indiana – fine, I dont care about that either.
I am only replying to the posts, I often dont even bother to check the nickname of the author.
In other words: how I see you is only by the words you have posted.
I would have assumed that thats exactly how you should “see” me and others…
So if your lamenth was supposed to make me feel…? I actually dont know what? it was pointless.
“I did just start out fucking with him but then I sensed a tone. A tone that I am very familiar with”
…a tone that you imagine.
Because you “see” racism everywhere – and for precisely the same reasons that gave rise to the old saying, “To a man with a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.”
Dolt.
#289
“Like people still referring to Chinese as Orientals”
gosh, here he goes again 😀
If you know someone is Chinese, why would you call him Oriental?
But if you don’t know the person, but you want to describe him to someone else, wouldn’t you use the word “Oriental”? AT least most of us do, including ‘mongoloids’ themselves (what a freaking horrible name for an Oriental – actually if calling someone a “mongoloid” – barf!! — is not racist and mean by default in your opinion, there is something seriously wrong with you!)
>>Very different argument. By default a
>>religion require that everyone believe
>>the same way.
So what? Does that make the abuse any less painful? If you prick us, do we not bleed? If you tickle us do we not laugh? If you poison us do we not die? And if you wrong us shall we not revenge?
I’m (originally) from Taxachusetts. So many people want to make fun of the Bay State; high taxes, gay marriage, Ted Kennedy and his driving troubles, Michael Dukakis and Willie Horton. Should I be as offended as you are about all that?
Or perhaps I should just say fuck it, and break into a rousing chorus of that song the drunken Irish love to sing:
“I’m a rambler I’m a gambler,
I’m a long way from home;
And if you dont’ like me just leave me alone.
I’ll eat when I’m hungry,
I’ll drink when I’m dry;
If the moonshine don’t kill me I’ll live til I
die.”
-Courtesy of the Clancy Brothers
Mr Mustard#288
“Do you find yourself crying a lot? ”
Only in laughter at you. LOL
“blame it on the Jews”
Ok fine I will chalk it up to ignorance of the history of that statement.
“Are you a homophobe?”
Pff Yeah that’s me all over. No I was feeding it back to you. Aren’t all or most Christians boy lovers?
“Wow. You are one twisted dude. I hope you reschedule that therapy session and get to work on these “issues” of yours. You sound like you might be a danger to yourself and others.”
LOL You are the Christian. I heard on TV that Catholic priest like to molest young boys and since they are Christians I figured most or all Christians like sex with young boys.
Mr Mustard #288
Please spare me your attempt to define humor. I knew Del close and you sir are no Del close.
Truth be known he wasn’t really about the humor but he did train some of the most brilliant comedians in the past 40 years.
#284 – I hate to pick nits here, but Satan is not a god. He’s an angel, and a fallen one at that.
deity: any supernatural being worshipped as controlling some part of the world or some aspect of life or who is the personification of a force
Satan is a god. Zeus, Odin, and Ra are all gods. Gods are pretty common in human mythology. As far as I am concerned, all angels are gods. David Bowie is also a god. Your army drill instructor is not a god, but might as well be a god as far as your sorry sack of shit (his words, not mine) ass is concerned.
the Three-Headed Cat #291
…a tone that you imagine.
No A tone that was there. You are just tone deaf as demonstrated by your posts.
“Because you “see” racism everywhere”
No I don’t Just where it tries to hide or where it rears its ugly head.
“Dolt.”
Putz!
#290 – Wow… I so have no idea what the fuck you are prattling on about now.
>>Like people still referring to Chinese >>as Orientals
Hey, almost 300 messages, and you STILL don’t understand the issue?
It’s not CHINESE who are being called Orientals, it’s people from what used to be called “The Orient”. You know, The East. Like in Spanish “estoy rumbo al oriente“, or “I’m heading east”.
I’m sorry if in your rarified world of political correctitude people find “Oriental” offensive (or maybe they’re just so nasty that they really mean it in an offensive way), but I don’t find it particularly offensive. And neither do a lot of other people, including those who are described that way (asskicking by the tong members notwithstanding). Any more so than somebody calling a guy who lives in Belgium a Belgian. I realize the term “Oriental” is somewhat old fashioned, but some groups of people, for example “Persians” (Persia has not existed since 1935, having become Iran) actually prefer the older terminology. And it’s certainly more accurate than “Asian”. Assuming you think Asia is a real place, and that’s where Asians come from.
PoliticallyVeryCorrect #292
“But if you don’t know the person, but you want to describe him to someone else, wouldn’t you use the word “Oriental”?”
No you would say Asian. because “Oriental” was used as an insult in early America. I understand the reasoning behind “it describes a place” except the word was maligned and used to degrade.
“AT least most of us do, including ‘mongoloids’ themselves ”
-speechless
Mister Mustard #293
“So what? Does that make the abuse any less painful?”
No I guess it doesn’t. I judge the individual not the group. I know many intelligent and very kind Christians. I also know some selfish bigoted jerk offs who are Christians. Just like any religion
“Should I be as offended as you are about all that?”
Should? That is up to you. But I would ask what is there to be offended by in gay marriage?
>>Please spare me your attempt to define humor.
>>I knew Del close and you sir are no Del close.
Well wooptie-fucking doo! I knew Lady Diana, and you sir, are no Lady Diana. She had much more of a spine than you do.
>>I heard on TV that Catholic priest like to
>>molest young boys and since they are Christians
>>I figured most or all Christians like sex with
>>young boys.
Hey, I heard on TV that all Jews are cheapskates, insufferable mamas boys who “grow up” to be lawyers or cunning and shrewd money handlers.
I wasn’t going to mention it though, because I don’t believe anything on TV unless it has to do with Brittaney Spears or Mary Kate Olson.
And I’m not Catholic, btw. They’re the ones who like to fuck little boys. We Protestants go more for “meth and man-ass”. Aren’t you keeping up with the news?