Moved BACK to the top until it runs out of steam!
I was always told that Christianity was a monotheistic religion but I want to challenge that because clearly it is not. First the definitions:
- No Gods – Atheism
- One God – Monotheism
- Two or more Gods – Polytheism
First, I’m not even going through the “Holy Ghost” thing except to say that “Trinity” means 3 and 3 > 1.
Assuming that:
- God is a deity
- Jesus is a deity
- Jesus and God are individuals
Then God and Jesus are two and 2 > 1.
Therefore Christianity is polytheism.
Polytheism isn’t a matter of belief. I personally am a Realist and I don’t believe any of it. However when one objectively classifies religious beliefs based on the number of gods, I’m counting two. Some would count three, but either is greater than one.
The reference is the Bible. According to the stories Jesus and God are two individuals. God was in the Old Testament, Jesus was not. Jesus was born of a virgin, God was not. Jesus addresses God as a separate individual. They have different stories. They have different roles. That talk to each other the way separate people talk.
The bottom line is – they are both deities and they are two individuals. Therefore Christianity is a polytheistic religion.
>>Actually, it refers to objects originating
>>from the Orient. A rug can be Oriental, a
>>person cannot. So saying that a person is
>>Oriental could be construed as dehumanizing,
Yeah, in the same way as calling someone an “American” or a “Briton” or an “Ethiopian” could be construed as dehumanizing. We’re all so much more than the country we happen to have been born in.
But still.
Mr. Mustard
“And what do the groovy set mean when they say “Asian”? Indians? Siberians? Russians?”
Anyone who comes from Asia as it should.
“Are you suggesting that all Chinese (or even all “Asians”) are members of violent, mafia-like tongs, triads, and other aspects of the seamy underbelly “down in China town”??”
Not at all. No more than any other tribe of people. That is why I said “see how long it takes.” I would bet it wouldn’t be long before you asked someone who would take offense and beat the crap out of you. Most might walk away or tell you my furniture is Oriental not me.
In no way does my statement infer that they would need to be thugs or crime figures. That came from your mind!!
How long do you think it would take before you got you ass kicked in an Italian neighborhood if you started asking them if they are WOPS?
I thought calling someone an asshole was more dehumanizing than calling a person by his racial description. I guess I could be wrong, unless you’re ashamed if your nationality.
Can you be an American, Democrat, and Catholic in the same body?
Now you understand what God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost are all about — three-in-one.
PS: I’m Jewish.
>>200 Mister Rabbi, what’s with that
>>“G-d”? you mean god? “God”?
Hey, don’t you ever read Jewish World Daily http://www.jewishworldreview.com/ ??
Even Ann Coulter has her stuff edited to say “G-d”.
Sheesh. Get hep on the right-wing haterags, won’t you?
#185–what should I know better? Do I think Mustardo is a racist FROM THIS THREAD? — No. Rather than back away from a minor debateable point, he will make it worse. Thats kinda fun if you take it that way. Not fun if “you need others to agree you are right.”
#206–good to see you posting OFTLO==seems to me you are right as usual. Still, calling those good folks in Chinatown “Mongoloids” would probably get your ass more than kicked? Oriental seems innocent to me unless the intent otherwise is clear–just as you say.
Words–they mean whatever people define them as. We all define them differently and we hardly ever touch base with what those definitions are.
Mr Mustard
“No, of course not. Why should the definition of Asia have anything to do with what Asians are? How dunderheaded of me!”
The definition doesn’t prove wrong anything I have said. Yes it is because you are trying to avoid proving me wrong.
#209 why would i want to upset you, and how *could i* upset you by mere calling you exactly what you are: a Jew, and an obviously very religious Jew since you are – or call yourself – a Rabbi (insert barf!)
That doesnt make sense 8)
I understand G-d just like the Vulcan in Star Trek is Sp-ck. And if you don’t like it you can get f-cked.
Balbas, If you were a christian, democrat, and a fisherman that would be fine, but you wouldn’t talk to yourself, pray to one of your professions or social group…well unless you were psychotic (ahhh so that was Jesus’ problem!)
#215 there’s nothing wrong with that.
No one is perfect 😉
Okay, you got me, As I am only a rabbinical student I can claim full credit. But damn I love bashing christ!
>>“And what do the groovy set mean when they
>>say “Asian”? Indians? Siberians? Russians?”
>>
>>Anyone who comes from Asia as it should.
So. Russians, Indians, Siberians, etc.? What the fuck planet do you come from? I’ll bet you’d be hard pressed to find ANY demographic classification that regards people, other than those with the epicanthic fold, as “Asians” in any meaningful sense.
>>In no way does my statement infer that they
>>would need to be thugs or crime figures. That
>>came from your mind!!
While you’ve got the dictionary out, look up “infer” and “imply”. As to the thuggery, YOU are the one who dared us to go down to China town and wait for our asses to get kicked. Maybe I’m from too genteel an upbringing, but where I come from nobody but a thug goes around kicking asses. Especially not for something as mild a non-insult as “Oriental”.
Okay I’m atheist, does that make me less of an asshole than the rest of you Jews and Christians? Probably not…. but I admit I’m an asshole, and I speak from my ass! (Pffffttt!!!)
My bunghole, it speaks loud! \m/
>>The definition doesn’t prove wrong anything I
>>have said.
No, it DISPROVES what you said. Or do you only accept definitions that prove you right?
>>Yes it is because you are trying to avoid
>>proving me wrong.
wtf? I proved people who come from Asia often are not what you, in your Perfect Political Correctness, call Asians.
How much more proof do you need? Jeez!
#220 just out of curiosity – what forbids you from spelling word God exactly as it is in English language, and you censor yourself instead?
Is it religion reasons? (like “thou shalt not say my name…”)
The short answer? – So as not to use the Lords name in vain
#225 clearly you are LESSER asshole than all those religious christian/jewish/buddhist freaks in this thread 😉
How come there are no muslims here?
It would be much interesting 😀
>>Not fun if “you need others to agree you
>>are right.”
Bobbalina, I really don’t give a flying fuck if others (especially racist hatemongering ignoramuses like “J”) think I’m right or not.
I think for “J”, though, that’s the alpha and the omega. And if you don’t agree, watch out for the hissy fit!
bobbo
“what should I know better?”
You should know more about racism and the way it manifests itself before stepping into a debate and taking sides.
“Many New Yorkers take pride in being from a “high energy” city or being pushy themselves.”
That is not what he meant and you know it! Once again you don’t know the history of racist terms and it shows.
“Rather puerile to think someone that disagrees with you doesn’t know what you know? ”
You don’t know and your statements show that. You can’t see the sensitive nature of his posts.
I am not calling you a racist but you are defending one.
>>Okay I’m atheist, does that make me less of
>>an asshole than the rest of you Jews and
>>Christians?
Nope. Your religion is the same as ours, only you believe something different 😉
>>You should know more about racism and
>>the way it manifests itself
Maybe you should know a little LESS. Some of the things you THINK you know are so absurd as to be, well, absurd.
Like “not everyone from Asia is an Asian”. Woot. Or calling someone from South Africa a South African is fine, but calling someone from the Orient an Oriental is tantamount to ethnic cleansing and wholesale genocide.
Hey Rabbi==when it comes to being “anti-Christ” is it that or is it being “anti Christ being forced on the Jews?” and is there an easy distinction between that view and what an atheist would think?
#228 Mister Rabbi 😉 I get it coming from YOU being clearly a religious Jew, but our original thread creator Mister Perkel said about 100 posts up that he is not religious nor even a Jew, thats why I’m asking *him*
Unless the Rabbi and mperkel are same one Mister Perkel? Gotcha 😉
#231 you are the racist here, no one else LOL
People come in different sizes, shapes and – among other – different *races*, and it is a fact.
Facts cannot be racist or politically correct or incorrect.
Facts are undisputable.
There are few major human races, so get over it.
J–
Basking in my ignorance, I have to say I haven’t seen Mustardo post anything DIRECTLY racist, nor have you pointed anything out directly either. Evidently, one has to “know” without being informed by you.
For instance–is it racists to post that Jews from New York City are “pushy.” Well, I think that is debateable. Was that your point or was there something just a tad more vicious other than the slippery slope?
Its not that racists for a non-X to say the same thing that X folks say jokingly to one another? As in, Joan Rivers ((and every Jewish (racist?) comedian I have ever heard brag, I say BRAG, about being pushy!)).
So, now, how is Mustardo saying it racist? And please don’t step right into the word fascist category.
Bobbo – I’m both, I am anti-christ because of the evangelists and their style but I started my crusade because I am anti-christ being forced on Jews. If you want more information on how to keep christ away from Jews and truth to use against evangelists please visit my page! 🙂 I must be out for the night, and #225, No I am not Mister Perkel, I thought your question was towards me, regardless, you all have a wonderful night 🙂
Mr Mustard.
“So. Russians, Indians, Siberians, etc.?”
Yep all Asians
“I’ll bet you’d be hard pressed to find ANY demographic classification that regards people, other than those with the epicanthic fold, as “Asians” in any meaningful sense.”
HA! Are you fucking kidding me?
“While you’ve got the dictionary out, look up “infer” and “imply”. ”
It’s a blog. The first sign of someone who knows they are wrong on a blog is they start to attack spelling and grammar.
“As to the thuggery, YOU are the one who dared us to go down to China town and wait for our asses to get kicked.”
As I would expect if you went around insulting people. China town has a high population of Chinese so I would think your hit rate would be higher.
“Especially not for something as mild a non-insult as “Oriental”.”
To you perhaps. Not to those from China.
“I proved people who come from Asia often are not what you, in your Perfect Political Correctness, call Asians.”
Where exactly did you prove that?
“How much more proof do you need?”
At least one piece. You claim you have shown it but I didn’t see it. Please give me the # of the post.
Mr Mustard #233
“Like “not everyone from Asia is an Asian”.
Where did I say that? Oh thats right I didn’t
#211 – a rug made in Orient is oriental
Yes.
but human born in Orient is not oriental
Yes.
because it is dehumanizing?
Read what I wrote and not what your hot little head imagines I wrote. I said it can be construed that way. I did not say that is how it was.
Car made in America is american
No it is not. It’s is American because its a proper noun.
human born in America is American
Assuming you mean in The United States, yes.
and it is NOT dehumanizing?
No… because that is how we use the word “American.” If we used American the way you’d like to use Oriental then Mexicans would be American and we couldn’t have a debate about immigration.
Your logic clearly sux…
It isn’t my logic. I didn’t make the rules. English is complicated. I guess that unlike many of the other folks here, I just chose to learn it. It is my primary language after all, and I didn’t want to sound like an ignorant rube by saying something stupid like, “those Orientals sure make great General Tso’s Chicken.”
>>Basking in my ignorance, I have to say I
>>haven’t seen Mustardo post anything DIRECTLY
>>racist, nor have you pointed anything out
>>directly either.
Ah, there are none so blind, Bobbalina. Clearly, when I pointed out that people nowadays use “Asian” as a politically correct substitute for what used to be known as “Oriental”, I was showing kinship with Hitler. And when I pointed out that there are a lot of pushy Jews (including the ones in New York, as well as Joan Rivers), I tipped my hand that I really belong to the Jinjaweed, and carve nothing more than to exterminate people willy-nilly. When I used SOMEONE ELSE’S term (piglet), that was proof positive of my hatred for and wish to do bodily harm to anyone who is the slightest bit different from me.
Haven’t you been paying attention?
I think “J”‘s problem is that he’s too full of himself, and has a congenital lack of a sense of humor.