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Unleashed: Unanswered 9/11 questions
The collapse of New York’s World Trade Centre on September 11, 2001 is arguably one of the most well documented events in human history. Less well documented is the controversy over why the buildings fell as they did.
At the time of writing, 357 architectural and engineering professionals have signed a petition which directly challenges the National Institute of Standards & Training’s official finding that the destruction of these massive buildings was caused solely by structural damage from the impact of jet airliners and the resulting fires.
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Current research indicates that an incendiary (thermite) may have been used to sever the massive box columns of the towers, causing the buildings to plummet to the ground at close to free-fall speed.
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“As no reports have come to light of any steel framed buildings collapsing due to fire, and as all steel framed buildings which had collapsed had done so due to explosive demolition, the logical way to have started the investigation of this surprising event would have been to question whether explosives had been used. This apparently did not occur.
William Rodriguez, an acknowledged hero of 9/11 who single-handedly rescued fifteen people from the North Tower, described a massive explosion in the basement which occurred before the first plane struck, pushing him upwards out of the seat of his chair.
The New York Fire Department’s oral histories project contains 118 witness statements which are strongly consistent with explosive demolition. Incredibly, none of this shocking testimony was included or acknowledged in any official investigation, including the 9/11 Commission.
If the towers were wired with explosives by terrorists prior to the planes, that would imply a lack of security on a massive scale that would be worth hiding. On the other hand, how do you hide that much work to rig buildings like that? If terrorists didn’t do it, why would the towers be rigged with explosives? Leaving aside the wacko’s government conspiracies, are other buildings routinely wired to blow to bring them straight down if something happens to prevent them falling onto other buildings? An interesting ‘protection’ scenario for the neighborhood that would be worth hiding for many reasons.
And then there’s this article from a few months ago with quotes from military experts like this one:
“A lot of these pieces of information, taken together, prove that the official story, the official conspiracy theory of 9/11 is a bunch of hogwash. It’s impossible,” said Lt. Col. Robert Bowman, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret). With doctoral degrees in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering, Col. Bowman served as Director of Advanced Space Programs Development under Presidents Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter.
“There’s a second group of facts having to do with the cover up,” continued Col. Bowman. “Taken together these things prove that high levels of our government don’t want us to know what happened and who’s responsible. Who gained from 9/11? Who covered up crucial information about 9/11? And who put out the patently false stories about 9/11 in the first place? When you take those three things together, I think the case is pretty clear that it’s highly placed individuals in the administration with all roads passing through Dick Cheney.”
Whenever I see terms used such as:
Tinfoil hats
Liberals
LefWingnuts
Appeasers
Commies
Terrorist lovers
I know that the writer of those words is
both incapable of intelligent analysis
AND
has an agenda.
The government lies about EVERYTHING. For example: OKC, Ruby Ridge, Viet Nam, Watergate, USS Liberty, etc., etc., ad nauseam.
Anybody who still believes after all this time that Arabs pulled off those attacks is stupider than a swimming pool full of s***.
NORAD is the smoking gun of 911
The first time ever, a civilian – VP Cheney was in charge of running hi jack scenarios using NORADS computers – on the morning of 911
What better way to divert and confuse?
Old tricks are the best tricks.
They just updated “Operation Northwoods”
The way I heard it was:
The gold vault WAS in the basement…
The records of the Savings & Loan fiasco, ATF, more WERE stored in WTC7.
Silverstein collected the insurance, Bush family did the security, CIA cleansed itself of unwanted agents…
So, if explosives were planted, as in demolition, wouldn’t there be a record of some company purchasing that much specialized stuff?
If you believe that:
-America Landed people on the Moon in those dinosaur computer age, but not since.
-Israel is the good guys
Them you’re done gone case.
To HMeyers,
The biggest conspiracy theory of all is that you were born and are intelligent.
Or that a virgin gave birth and that the guy died and was resurrected. Even more, that the same guy floated up into the sky 2,000 years ago and promised to come back.
And millions upon millions believe that.
No evidence, not a shred. Yet they believe.
Here, we have physical and video evidence along with expert, eye witness testimony.
As I said, IQ 30, no other way to explain you.
>our own government had a hand in it. That thought >just makes me lose faith in humanity.
Our own mil.gov had a strong hand in training, equipping and facilitating the torture and slaughter of tens of thousands of people in Iran (SAVAK), Vietnam, Guatemala, Panama, Iraq, and all over the world.
But now you are suddenly worried about losing your faith in humanity.
The truth is self evident. Jet A-1 fuel does not burn hot enough to weaken hardened steel. Those office fires did not burn hot enough to weaken hardened steel. To play devil’s advocate, IF the planes had caused damage to the building’s core, the buildings would have toppled over on their sides, not exploded as they did straight down through the path of most resistence. To play devil’s advocate again, had this been a REAL collapse we would have seen floor after floor of PANCAKED FLOORS. And we didn’t. Had WTC7 really received crippling damage to its southside it also would have toppled over on it’s side but that didn’t happen did it? TRUTH is self evident. TRUTH is not a conspiracy. 911 WAS an inside job. There are no building’s lying on their side. There are no pancaked floors. There are no WMD! History also shows that there is no shortage of nooses for people who protect and give aid and comfort to traitors, domestic enemies, media liars, paid shills, and serial killers. That TRUTH is self evident throughout all human history.
I don’t appreciate being called a “wacko”, just because I don’t believe everything my government states as truth…
It’s not like they would ever lie to us is it…
Not like the “Gulf of Tonkin” incident, 50,000 US troops killed, millions of vietnamese dead… All over a lie !!!
Or the USS Liberty incident in 1967 (read the recently released NSA papers), not forgetting Iraq’s WMDs. The list goes on !!!
Don’t be fooled anymore, demand accountability
It is obvious that the towers were brought down as controlled demolitions.
It is also scientifically proven (see ‘Scholars for 9/11 Truth’).
When moving objects impact on stationary objects they are slowed down by the collision. However, the top parts of WTC’s 1 and 2 accelerated (gained speed) down through the lower parts of the building (the path of greatest resistance)and continued accelerating until the collapse zone was enveloped in smoke and dust. This just cannot happen. There’s a universal law of physics that says so (Law of Conservation of Momentum).
Understand, or should I say, accept this and you begin to understand why the USA failed to defend itself on 9/11……..and why most of those responsible for the appalling systems’ failures got promoted.
Shocking?…..yes.
True?…..’fraid so.
Official 911 investigation says they found no evidence of temps higher than 600 farenheit – Steel requires 1800 to soften and fail. That says it all – yet there are 50 other anomolies that point to an inside job as well as this……
191 Ken
The truth is self evident. Jet A-1 fuel does not burn hot enough to weaken hardened steel. Those office fires did not burn hot enough to weaken hardened steel.
All of your questions and all the above ones have already dealt with in public, repeatable experiments or evidence. My links way above have proven so.
Jet A-1 fuel burns hot enough to set office burnables alight. You dispute that?
Office burnables – furniture, carpets, desks, computers, files all burn hot enough to reach temperatures to weaken steel. Go to my links to follow all the publicly available data on office fires.
The graphs above also show steel expanding the moment it gets hot and beginning to dramatically weaken starting when it reaches about 500* F. That’s universal physics and you can repeat the same experiments for yourself, but I have included this data way above already. I take it you are completely baffled as to why they spray fluffy fire retardant insulation on steel beams.
See, your statements are typical of the “truth” movement. Better to call it “The Wishful Thinking” movement for those who outright refuse to look at the science.
RBG
Funny how it’s the emphases on trying to discredit or prove the theories of those who disagree with the official version of events. Consider this: how plausible is it really that some so called terrorists would come over to America and do such a thing because they envy Americans freedom. If wherever these terrorists are coming from are living with restrained freedoms why aren’t they attacking the ones suppressing them. If my neighbour is making a ruckus and disturbing my peace I’m going to confront him not run across street and punch out the guy who’s not doing anything to me…lol … give me a break
(To answer your query about how the possible thermite explosives could have been set in the buildings) I remember rightly that in the press after the immediate disastor there was an article that loosely stated – in all it’s years of being functional the twin towers were unpresidentaly shut for a weekend months before the disastor. This could have been when the wiring of the buildings was carried out. There is also documented facts such as the ceilings of every floor contained asbestos that in New York was going to be outlawed soon. To remove all of this from XX floors in both towers would have been almost operationally impossible. Plus the buildings were insured for terrorist activity 6 months before the disastor. Comments?? Regards, MalP – England
Is it the fear in these people who makes jokes out of something as serious as this? Are they to afraid to pull down the Government blinders only to find that our hijacked Government would kill its own people, to gain new powers over people and the Constitution. Just to start a war for money and control power in the Middle East. You don’t have to look any farther than the World Bank , the Rockefeller’s and Rothschild’s, and those who attend the Bilderburg meetings.
9/11 was nothing but a terrible scam for the take-over of the United States! Which they are doing through the main stream media and tactical fear mongering! You are blind if you can’t see the police state forming around you! Somehow the label terrorist went from being a Middle Eastern cave dweller to the tax paying United States citizens! Sick
The documents have already been released to the public that Operation Northwoods was a staged event in the Gulf of Tonkin to start a war with Vietnam. All you have to do is look around and see that our free speech is being destroyed, anyone can be labeled a terrorist for simply asking questions and our Constitution has been called “just a piece of paper” by those in the Whitehouse. The 9/11 commission was selected by the same people who staged 9/11.
Many of your commenters haven’t been reading websites like architects and engineers for 9/11 truth (www.ae911truth.org) or other serious research sites, such as scholars for 9/11 truth or pilots for 9/11 truth – all these sites contain the information to debunk all of the apologists for the official story.
The whole of 9/11 was a giant magic trick: well prepared and then the story released to the media, who have conducted a giant “Ministry of Truth” upon the population. It is incredible. It is very hard to believe. But just take small steps: did you know about the WTC7 collapse? No? You should be worried about skyscraper safety at the very least! How did the buildings collapse: unexplained! Yep, 7 years after the event no complete theory, nothing even approaching science which explains all the evidence such as the micro-fine dust and molten steel in the basements!
How about the air crashes? No aircraft investigation.
No fighter jet intercepts? Explained… read about it: multiple “tests” being run that day with artificial blips added to the radar screens. I couldn’t make this up!
The hijackers? Who are they? No criminal investigation. The other hijackers over in Gitmo? All tortured for the statements they made.
9/11 commission report? Disowned by the major authors.
So how do you explain the pre-knowledge? The share trading? The PNAC stated desire for a “New Pearl Harbor”? The $2.2 trillion DoD overspend announced on 10th Sept? The destruction of DoD financial audit records on the 11th Sept? The planted fake evidence? The “impossible” cell phone calls from the aircraft? The countless anomalies of the day.
And somehow we should believe what the politicians said on the day, almost on the hour of the attack? Hmmm. So remind me: who actually benefited from 9/11?
>>The “impossible” cell phone calls from
>>the aircraft?
Yeah, wtf is up with that?? I’ve taken a million flights, and I NEVER turn off my phone. And I have NEVER gotten more than zero bars while in the air. How the fuck do you make a cell phone call while you’re airborne? I need to know who that guy’s service provider was. I can barely make a 10-minute phone call from my car. I’ve NEVER been able to make one from a plane, and I’ve never talked to anyone who has.
Ynda and Micheal James – You are so right!
I don’t think anyone could persuade me that 911 wa not an inside job.
I just fear that Bin Laden (however much he was or wasn’t involved in 911, his musings – since the 90’s that he wants the fall of the American financial system. The last 6 or so years is definately downward turning! He must be rejoycing. (Please don’t take offence) MalP England.
They all stated they were flying close to the ground.
you have to be in complete denial to think building 7 was not a controlled demolition. it fell at the speed of gravity, that defies newton 2nd law of physics. serioulsy at some point we are going to have to admit to ourselves the unthinkable.
Uncle Dave,
The “official” 9/11 conspiracy theory is being exposed as a blatant lie with every discussion such as the one your post here has instigated. It was only a few years ago that I myself began to see the self-contradictory and inconsistent nature of the government’s explanation, so I’m not surprised at the time involved for the first glimmers of truth to become the bright, clear light of reason in many people’s minds.
The simple aim of those who don’t accept the hyper-simplistic ‘A-rabs with box-cutters’ scenario is that an IMPARTIAL investigation be convened, one in which ALL PERTINENT QUESTIONS will be addressed. In opposition to this, the staunch defenders of the conventional “wisdom” have put on their usual strident show here today, but the ad hominem attacks and specious refutations are getting pretty shabby. Their problem is that the truth is indeed out there, all over this thing called the internet, and as it reaches more and more people, an adamant demand for a genuine inquiry continues to build.
My prediction? The truth movement is shifting into an exponential growth phase now, and it’s about to become veeerrry interesting…
Stay tuned. Ciao
If 911 was an inside job then that would mean that all the main stream media are in on it. This means hundreds of journalists and reporters world wide. A good question to ask is who are the CIA? could CNN be part of the CIA. Could the BBC be part of MI6? Think about it.What we think is linked to what we see and are told on TV. If any group wanted to manipulate the opinions we form then the control of TV news media would be an excellent oppertunity to achieve this goal.I personally think that most US and UK News Journalists are Secret Intelligence Corp Officers because if you manipulate the true story then you know the truth. Obviously the CIA and British Intelligence as well as most other Intelligence agencies world wide all know the truth about many conspiracies.
OK–I put my mind in neutral and read some of the Engineering concerns and I don’t know enough to contest what they say. But–I assume then that “if” the buildings were demolished by explosives THEN the conspiracy also included arranging for the airplanes to crash where they did? Now–how is it that Ben Ladin took credit for the same crashes? Did our CIA learn of the plan and plant the bombs just in case the planes weren’t enough? Like running the planes into the buildings wasn’t enough to justify invading Iraq? (See the disconnect there?)
The best view of the engineering concerns to me is that there is too little known about how large buildings collapse. Maybe give “Myth Busters” a few hundred million and let them reconstruct the events==make it a two hour special?
Ever notice that when a Troother comes onto this board, they never supply facts or figures? The best they can manage is stuff like “self-contradictory and inconsistent nature.” Why is that?
The definition of superstition is making connections when none exists. Even animals do that.
215. syzygy5 “You have to be in complete denial to think building 7 was not a controlled demolition.”
“Complete denial” seems to be hampered with eyewitnesses to the contrary in 157 RBG. They could already see it was going to collapse. That’s why it wasn’t full of firemen at the time.
But maybe you could bribe them to tell us all the real story though. See what a couple million bucks will buy for exclusive hit book & movie rights. Then again, surely these guys have retired by now with all the hush money they made.
RBG
“NIST did not examine the Tower’s collapses after the point of collapse initiation because after the exterior walls began buckling and the top of the buildings began tilting when the buckling spread to the core and remaining perimeter columns allowing the building top to begin falling straight down, the chaotic impacts of heavy floors and walls colliding could not possibly have been accurately predicted by even the most powerful computers. NIST only examined the collapses to the point where progressive collapse would have been inevitable and this took intense computer work.”
Arthur Scheuerman,
Retired Battalion Chief, FDNY
http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=14184 #71
I have published my thoughts on “9/11”
on our English language forum, Web site:
http://www.marijuanaparty.ca/forum.html
It is the collapse of WTC 7 that is the clincher.
The official story for that is totally absurd …
The deeper problem is that EVERYTHING
our civilization is doing is being
controlled by huge lies
backed by coercions.
The truth about 9/11 drives paradigm shifting.
After one perceives that the official story
is totally impossible to physically believe,
the rest follows from there, and everything
else, like the mass media, and so forth,
ARE part of the fascist plutocracy …
We are trapped in a vicious spiral
of dishonesty backed up with lots
of violence, that is spinning
totally out of control …
Deeper than the truth about 9/11
is the truth about HOW and WHY
civilizations are controlled
by huge lies and coercions.
9/11 is a salient symbol
of everything going bad!
Whether you believe it was Al Qaeda or the US government, whether you believe that it was a controlled demolition or that it was brought down by fire or whether a plane hit the pentagon or not, there is only one solid, stone cold, indisputable fact about September 11th
According to FAA standard operating procedure, if a plane flies off course then the FAA must make contact with the plane. If the problem cannot be solved within about a minute, the FAA notifies NORAD who will scramble jet fighters from the nearest airforce base. The hijacked planes will have two F-16 jet fighters on there tail within about 10 minutes.
Alright, now can somebody please explain to me how the hell ANY of these hijacked planes were able to reach their targets? The planes were hijacked for MUCH LONGER than 10 minutes and yet none were intercepted by NORAD, which has the greatest radar system on the entire planet.
Now after this, any possibility that Al Qaeda simply executed a perfect operation are thrown right out the window. That only leaves two possibilities
A) The government knowingly allowed it to happen
B) They did it themselves
Whichever one is true, it is the single most disgusting thing I have ever heard in my entire life
Think about that for a minute
Notice how those who don’t agree are not engineers or people trained in knowledge of structural integrity physics. Armchair warriors with no cause, spouting ridicule without fact. I get children under 5 years giving me better thought out arguments than their drivel.
bobbo:
Bin Laden said he did not do 9/11, about three times. His later alleged claim of responsibility is disputed as badly done forged propaganda. If you haven’t heard that his so-called ‘admission’ is phony, I’m sure you, like most Americans, never ever heard him deny his involvement.
As for US government involvement, look up the ’93 WTC bombing. The FBI had a contract agent/informant at the heart of the bomb plot, who suggested the bombing, and supplied the bomb, under the impression from his FBI handlers that the bomb was to be inoperative. The government tried to railroad the man as what he appeared to be (a terrorist Jihadi), but unknown to them, he had taped his conversations with his FBI handlers. This came out in federal court, and was the subject of a front page NY Times article at the time.
Or research Operation Gladio. With the aid of the US, western European countries bombed themselves and made it look like the work of leftist forces (or hired ‘leftist forces’ to do that work), in order to stampede the populace to accept– actually, demand!– more fascist controls for the government, to protect them.
Those in the Administration, heads of federal
agencies, Congress are traitors, corrupt, evil
to the bone.
Time to take a stand. Make our descendents proud.
The time is now.