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#5 you’re an idiot. We aren’t talking about the formation of the earth but it’s continents and how it was apparently smaller in such a short time, as the video states, with dinosaurs walking around.
Is this video voiced by Al Gore? Voice sounds oddly familiar.
This is a humorous debunking video response,
http://tinyurl.com/34hqats
He kinda glossed over the part about how it had been flat, originally.
And the mechanism of growth was largely (pun? moi?) missing, but here goes.
The Universe is expanding. Ergo…
#34–denacron==excellent link. Thanks. I thought the video was just a fun project to show how junk ideas could be turned into a credible argument if all you do is present the idea on its own terms, state some of the facts opposing it incorrectly to smooth out the theory, and then ignore the mountain (nee–continents) of evidence against the made up crap.
An excellent exercise all around. Who knew people, even “reputable scientists” actually believed this stuff? Its how I imagine Scientology or Mormonism to have become beliefs: to various degrees someone makes up some BS and low and behold==other people believe it.
Course, the OBVIOUS parallel is to Anthropomorphic Global Warming. Just say it ain’t so, falsify some of the facts used to support it, and ignore the mountain of evidence against it. Then stand back and watch the sheeple flock to it.
Same as it ever was.
This cheap, home-made “theory” is aardvark shit.
This junk is so full of holes I won’t lower myself to attempt to expose the bogus arguments within.
If you are so hopelessly ignorant of real geologic and cosmologic sciences to swallow this nonsense, then amuse yourselves in your navel-contemplating stupidity.
It’s ok for you to be fucking stupid.
Makes more room for me to prosper.
All this anti-science nonsense (including the “creationism” silliness) exists because uneducated folk are always eager to be shown to be “just as smart as those eggheads”. Anything which pulls down their intellectual betters and claims to reveal scientists as “dupes” or “conspirators” or stupid is quickly embraced. “See? I’m just as smart as those hoity-toity scientists!” Every complex problem has a simple, easy to understand WRONG answer.
Someone who can’t make themselves stand out in the mainstream of science chooses to paddle backward or sideways and thus secure the notoriety they crave. Put together a story that appeals to those who can’t tell good science from incompetent awful science (by ignoring the actual facts or a complete debunking of your arguments) and you got yourself an audience.
Telltale claims of bad science:
1) They are all wrong and I’m right.
2) They don’t want you to know the truth.
3) There is a conspiracy to hide the truth.
4) I’m right because I say I am – I don’t need real data or experiments or other scientists to prove my claims — it’s obvious.
Remember — extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. If you claim you can fly, just saying you have done it won’t convince me, nor will some slick video you show me. I probably won’t believe it even if you stage a demonstration. Walk in my front door and fly around my living room and I may think you have something.
An expanding Earth is an extraordinary claim. Other than a slick video and some vigorous arm-waving, what has he got?
Everyone seems to be missing on the main issue – WITH AN EVER EXPANDING EARTH, REAL ESTATE VALUES WILL CRASH!
It’s obvious, and THEY don’t want US to know that!
The thing that fails this theory for me is that the producers of the video are dishonest in that they do not give any meaningful volume increase figure. What is the volume increase when you double a spheres surface area? area 4pi * r squared, vol 4/3pi * r cubed. Ratios numbers full out you just get 2 to the 3/2. Thus volume more than doubles. What proportion of earths mass are the fissiles? These are 30., 0.2, 124, 37 (u238, u235, th232, k40) x 10 -9 kg/kg mantle.
Nope not enough.
Gotta love Wiki (even when you know it is all lies eh bobbo).
I like it.
Just as wacky as cosmic rays influencing weather. Well actually it
is sun magnetic weather influencing cosmic rays. Still wacky by the IPCC.
What could be the volume increaser here?
Did you not know that the earths interior is a massive fission reactor?
That is the source of geological heat.
And guess what, fission increases molecule count!!!!!
This is another example of those who say things are constant
by default. Of course we have the conservation laws of nature, but
this marvelous twentieth century thinking tool invention has been abused.
Assumed consistency can consistently make an ass out of u and me
just as the wacky wobbly earth weirdos.
From what I know of physics, if you take a mass and heat it up it will expand. The inner core of our planet seems to be pretty damn hot and has provided lots of heat to this planet for a long time.
This heating would also tend to melt a lot of ice from polar ice caps as this happened over time, creating more liquid water to form oceans.
It’s also possible that a lot of our land mass was there but entirely covered with water, hence the huge limestone deposits from sea creatures in the middle of the mid-west. Picturing our maintain ranges as the only thing above water in the early days.
Possible that this has some credibility. Also possible that it’s crap also. This is what science is for. Hypothesis and test.
On the other hand what pushes all those non-horizontal geological structures such as angled rock strata and mountains?
This expanding surface at the mid-ocean looks like it would not do any forcing of land masses together.
On the other other hand what causes plates to move?
Why is the pacific plate moving towards the asian?
thermal expansion no. The core is already hot.
There is no localised increasing of temperature.
I suppose the dope factor was this increase in volume not shown in the
video.
For con jobs there is always the ‘factor’, that when missed indicates you got a dope hooked.
cgp–you are raving. Fission ain’t got nothing to do with it. Sounds like you are remembering facts about the sun, not the earth.
I’m no scientist, just an active reader and I got it exactly right. Good thing I’m double jointed too so I can clap myself on the back and give myself an atta boy.
Distrusting wiki, I give you:
http://scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=why-is-the-earths-core-so
The fun fact is that all we casual arm chair theorists can poo-pooh the expanding earth hypothesis and get immediate support from qualified scientific community. Then we make fun of the oafs who continue to believe.
But then look at really the same issue of Global Warming. The qualified scientists are all convinced. I’m willing in my ignorance to say maybe a hair less convinced than the expanding earth group?==but still convinced.
You deniers all look about the same to me.
Silly Hoomans.
eh which it is what I worked through. It is called logical thinking out loud.
Not name calling, not just statements of derision. pros and cons, pros and cons baby.
There are major subduction zones and rifting zones very little of which show in the part of the earth this man decided was the world.
The guy is a computer genius.
cgp==not to argue, but sorry–your post does not demonstrate any “logic” at all and is merely the statement of erroneous facts and a bunch of irrelevant questions.
You brought the same power to our discussion of AGW.
What DO you know anything about?
Okay it’s bunk, but still, it made me read a lot about the issue, and that was fun. I’ll go to sleep less stupid tonight.
booboo, well then counterpointer each and every mistake.
There is NO subduction? Really? Tell that to everyone who lives on the ring of fire. Japan and Indonesia. What powers those volcanos and earthquakes?
So the Earth is one big balloon? Come on 🙁
I am going to go with the theory that the Earth is not expanding, or at least not expanding as fast or in the same way that the theorist states it is. We all know that the Earth gains mass from meteors crashing into the earth, but that is not enough mass to expand the size of the Earth and it certainly wouldn’t cause the Earth to expand from the inside out. This is a crackpot theory.
Posters are saying this theory has something to do with creationism. It does not. The theorist used the words “evolved” and “hundreds of millions of years.” Therefore he is not a creationist.
#53–cgp==evidently you accept you asked a bunch of irrelevant questions but you want it repeated that you suggested the Earth does expand BECAUSE of the fission going on at the core of the Earth. I gave you a link to the cause of the Earth’s inner heat and its mostly radioactive decay NOT fission. Now you challenge me to “counterpoint each and every mistake.”
Son–what you’ve already been told is sufficient. You should be admitting your error and enter into a phase of quiet reflection. Education regardless of its source is not your driving value.
But its so easy to do, let’s see what we have:
# 40 cgp said, on September 12th, 2011 at 1:51 pm
I like it./// Hopeful start. I was expecting an insightful comment on the scientific/logical underpinnings of the theory that were laughably or cleverly distorted.
Just as wacky as cosmic rays influencing weather. //// Oops–cosmic rays do influence weather. Nothing wacky about it. You appear to be taking the video in hook, line, and sinker. Is this a set up for a double switchback?
Well actually it is sun magnetic weather influencing cosmic rays. /// –Yes. Poorly constructed follow on as the issue is the Earths weather which as you construct is still wacky.
Still wacky by the IPCC. /// As you have just erroneously confirmed.
What could be the volume increaser here? /// Good, back to potentially good stuff.
Did you not know that the earths interior is a massive fission reactor? /// Oh–a BIG swing and a miss. I know that it is not. You have moved from being lazy, ambiguous, and flippant to just a high school drop out high on comic books.
That is the source of geological heat. /// And there you put the nail into your coffin. Sad. Not that hard to do. We hear about the fusion process inside stars, including our sun, all the time. Don’t hear all that often about our own Earth’s source of heat. And magma flowing out of the earth and pictures of the molten core do “look like” pictures of the sun. I can see the road to confusion here. Comic book science will do that to you. You have to do more than look at the pictures.
And guess what, fission increases molecule count!!!!! /// Yes, E = mc2. Energy turning into Mass. But what do you think would happen with all those Atom Bombs going off at the core of the Earth? Earthquakes you say??? Ha, ha===yes indeedie.
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Logic: Reasoning conducted or assessed according to strict principles of validity. The easiest example being the “if-then” formulation of reasoning by assumption and deduction. You show none of this.
As stated: just the rendition of erroneous objective statements all, as in Each One except for fission results in the formation of particles which would be relevant only if fusion was taking place, and its not.
No logic. No accurate facts.
and your best “considered” response is?
I am constantly impressed by the amazing creativity shown by paranoid schizophrenics.
ohh bobbo now I see why you shouldn’t counterpoint.
Go back to being dogmatic.
fission splits atoms, you thus get two thingys separated in space ie a doubling in volume (recall the nucleus is an orange on a football field). But the fissiles are only concentrated in 0.0000001 kg per kg of mantle, so it has no volumatic increase.
I again point out the ‘dope factor’, the trick pulled as those ocean surfaces were said to come from expanding volume of sphere., which requires on order of a doubling in volume. In the video the size increase of the earth looked like about 5 per cent.
@Animby #16
Oh, quite so. I’m not advocating it as a theory over any other. But it is true to say that the Kuiper belt does contain a considerable amount of water in the form of ice.
Now how it got there… that’s something to be SCIENTIFICALLY worked out. As for your suggestion that the comet replaces God in a “seed” scenario. I don’t think so. But I can imagine it being jumped upon by a number of pseudo-scientists who would like to “prove” the existence of God via the mechanism of BS and buzz words. 🙂
bobbbo boobooed…
Did you not know that the earths interior is a massive fission reactor? /// Oh–a BIG swing and a miss. I know that it is not. You have moved from being lazy, ambiguous, and flippant to just a high school drop out high on comic books.
me being a dropout? By fission reactor I mean that there are fissile
material, which I have read is the cause of geological heat.
What did you think I meant?
opps I boobooed OK so radioactive decay is not a fission reactor.
Sorry I goofed. Still splitting though.