Ducey never fails to prove himself an idiot.
The judge certainly didn’t provide the “balance” that was apparent in how to chose to frame the issues he addressed.
When the STATE decides xyz is good and necessary for kiddies, the state has always imposed it over the scientifically illiterate dumbshit parents. What country does Napalitano think he is in?
Seems the dumbass parents should just be shot on sight for the public good.
@bobbo As for “scientifically illiterate parent”, try my sister, highly published ad awarded Neurologist. Neither she or anyone in her family (including her two kids) will be vaccinated vs. H1N1 as she finds it scientifically dangerous, beyond acceptable. Single opinion? None of her staff at the hospital (all highly, Medically educated) will get vaccinated vs. H1N1 as well… Now, what would parent with her type and level of knowledge specifically related to vaccination be able to do if STATE decides it knows better? Is it at all possible that STATE would know better?
Much ado about nothing. Though the crackpots have totally twisted the meaning of the bill. Bravo!
@ #2
My sister is also a highly published and awarded Neurologist, and she and her family will be getting the Vaccine for H1-N1.
See how easy it is to make up bullshit to back up your point?
#2–Hey Dismal==standing alone, that’s quite a show stopper. You’ve posted that tidbit before. I think then, as now, I’ve asked you to ask your Sister for the specific why’s and wherefore’s.
I agree in general a neurologist informed on the issue should render a good conclusion. OTOH==just WHAT did you do to her as a child?
Nobody is going to vaccinate me or my kid. Period.
This is an example of why the 2A is in the Constitution.
The constitution. LMAO no one follows that old thing anymore. Sure there are the ceremonial oaths police officers, public officials and the president take to uphold and defend the United States Constitution.
There is something about Church and State separated by the first amendment in the bill of rights in the U.S. Constitution. Then there are laws against plants. Plants that many believe a certain religious entity invented.
There was this thing called the patriot act, and Fox News swallowed every inch of patriot act with pure unadulterated dirty nasty sweaty love. Republicans threw the constitution in the toilet and now the democrats are pulling the flush lever
Ok now that ive mopped the floor time to share a little funtime event from this week.
Planned Parenthood calls looking for money. I start asking the lady if it is true that she works for a eugenics program that murders little people with vacuums. She gets so offended she starts screaming at me, and hangs up.
Don’t get me wrong I am pro choice and have even taken part in the deed myself. Yet I dont like phone beggars and I like to amuse myself in strang ways. I have personally have no problem with murdering little people that don’t have identities. It is the expecting mothers choice, end of story. Many pro choice people try to paint over the issue with rationalization IE: it is not a person it is a glob of tissue, or some other rose colored glass B/S.
Well, I enjoy your story and could see myself doing it.
But the other “it” is not a person. Purely definitional. Like retard, the term represents a spot on the continuum.
“Planned Parenthood calls looking for money. I start asking the lady if it is true that she works for a eugenics program that murders little people with vacuums. She gets so offended she starts screaming at me, and hangs up.”
Oh that GOOD! I’ll have to use that the next time they call.
Now Ah Yea==a well trained caller would say “Yes, if thats what the woman wants. How much would you like to contribute?”
Silly to think everyone is as stupid as who Constitution is Dead (if thats his real name!) ran into.
Medical professionals and the makers of the vaccine are refusing to take the jab.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=yqlM5dtFv0M
bobbo please drop the “liberal, conservative and pragmatic” lets have truth in advertising, it should read “bobbo, socialist/fascist government shill”.
Whats in the Vaccine Shots?
The Dangers of Vaccines
Let the anti vaccine people skip their shots. One can hope that some of the adults will Darwin themselves and thereby raise the overall intelligence of the population. It’s just sad about their unvaccinated kids that could also die through no fault of their own.
#12–S&B==good one. Easy Peasy. Figures you would think of science as a government plot. Hah, hah.
#12–SB==I watched that video. No names, no references, no links. Total verbal diarrhea. You actually “rely” on this type of hysteria??????
I’m changing my nick back.
“An individual who is unable or unwilling to submit to vaccination or treatment shall not be required to submit to such procedures but may be isolated or quarantined pursuant to section 96 of chapter 111 if his or her refusal poses a serious danger to public health or results in uncertainty whether he or she has been exposed to or is infected with a disease or condition that poses a serious danger to public health, as determined by the commissioner, or a local public health authority operating within its jurisdiction.”
But, then, no one expects you lot to actually read.
1. INFECTION time, IS 7-10 DAYS after INfection..
2. ALL those Quarantined, and everyone ELSE got a sot?? WHO is going to get INFECTED??
3. most shots DONT WORK, if you are already infected..
4. The infection has been running around for OVER 6 months…IF this was a Pandemic, It would have covered the WORLD ALREADY.
Hate to bring it up, but since the state is the arbitrator of right and wrong, if tomorrow it decides that all people of certain genetic make-up should be eliminated and the police have the right to round up those people and sterilize them for the health of the nation, would that still be ok with ‘bobbutt’, commenter #1. I have no doubt that a convincing case that all white people are evil and have caused all the ills of the world can be made and they should be eliminate for the health and well being of the nation at large, after all that seems to be the only point of the Demoncrats, or maybe ‘bobbutt’ would rather have the shot.
Why is it always liberals, ie NAZI/Commie Totalitarians, that either bring up race or violence to enact their polices?
bobbutt: “Figures you would think of science as a government plot” hee hee, You can see some of you’re science here……
“The most dangerous man alive is a man with a little knowledge” and ‘bobbutt’ has very very little knowledge, especially history.
Whatever…………………………
Traaxx
#20–traxx==”the state is the arbitrator of right and wrong” /// Correct. You would prefer what as an alternative?
Bobbo..
THE INDIVIDUAL…
You TRUE life is shown in your debates and your HONOR.. If you ware TRUE to self and JOB, you show it..
If you are TRUE to the mighty DOLLAR..you run for it, grab it and make SEX with it..
#22–ECA==you are over thinking it. The deeper you go in my oceanic oneness, the shallower it gets.
common sense SUCKS..
Looking at the Cumulative.. it shows NOT a MAJOR JUMPS as it should be, as I would think MOST persons either DONT care or didnt feel BAD when they got it..
Over 1/2 million person infected, in 6 months?? it should be 10 times that number..
But the individual SHOULD BE THE ONE controlling the governor..
FLAMING in CAPS is the sign of a seriously SHALLOW THOUGHT process.
What a show when the nanny state flexes it’s good intentions to the point of threatening quarantine.
At this point it hard to tell if the H1N1 is truly something to be concerned about or just another scare tactic. The government has cried wolf so many times who can tell what is true?
It’s beginning to look more like just another way for “the nanny” to gain a little more control over the children.
I have no problem with vaccines but I do have a problem with the government forcing things on people for their own good. The government is not my mommy and I never elected a single person to that position. I will make my own choices and loive with the consequences.
They work for me, I am not their surf or their lowly subject. The word is FREEDOM! and I am not willing to give it up “for the children” or “for the greater good”.
So how do Dudd and Doug feel about people shitting in the public water supply, burning asbestos in their fireplace, or storing dynamite and gasoline in their garage?
Dr Dodd–anything cheezy wit you?
#27- read the bill. #18 outlined an important point some are missing. Your choice (to not be vaccinated) could affect others. You might be quarantined for the greater good- and society might not think it was such a bad idea (i.e. your right to swing your fist ends at my nose).
#26- As I read the bill I was thinking about Typhoid Mary, tuberculosis, and Spanish flu. Quarantining is not necessarily evil- wasn’t this widely practiced in earlier days to prevent the spread of disease? Even now, I think kids with contagious diseases are kept home from school. That is quarantining.
#27 doughoist said, “They work for me, I am not their surf or their lowly subject. The word is FREEDOM! and I am not willing to give it up ‘for the children’ or ‘for the greater good.’”
We need people like you.
“Do not ever say that the desire to ‘do good’ by force is a good motive. Neither power-lust nor stupidity are good motives.” — Ayn Rand
Daddy, why did 3 million people in the USA die from flu in 2010 when they had medicine to cure them?
Son, they wanted to be free, and so they were. Well, the 10,000 LIEBERTARIAN NUT CASES were free. The other 2999990 just weren’t protected by the new mutations harbored in the LIEBERTARIANS before they all died. Thats why voluntary compliance is so high these days.
The majority of the people that are willing to refuse the vaccine are not anti-vaccination. They are people that are worried about how fast this vaccine was created, how minimally it was tested, and how the companies that make it are indemnified from prosecution by the United States government. The last time an H1N1 vaccine was used in 1976, more people died from the vaccine than from the flu. I have no problem with vaccines as I take the flu shot every year, but this rush job with no recourse if something happens is not a shot I am willing to take. If it comes around in a year or two again and the results from this year were positive then talk to me about it.
#31 bobbo, what about all the people who don’t know the difference between the seasonal flu vaccine and the H1N1 vaccine? They already got the seasonal flue shot due to H1N1 scaremongering and don’t see why they need another one because they don’t know the difference.
That is a more likely scenario then your own, that Libertarians don’t get vaccines.
I’ll get a flu shot when they prove as affective as the polio vaccine, the smallpox vaccine, the measles vaccine, etc. I had all of those vaccines and never got any of those diseases. I have had the flu since 1995 when I got a flu vaccine.
Bobbo,
Such excellent comebacks and responses; my hat is off to you sir.
You have saved me several replies which I would, no doubt, have done much less diplomatically than you.
#27, doug,
I do have a problem with the government forcing things on people for their own good.
Do you mean things like driving on the right side of the road? I don’t of anyone that thinks driving on whichever side of the road YOU wish is a good idea. Of course, this is for their own good.
What about mandating all children get educated? It worked for you, didn’t it? Oopps, my bad to have assumed.
The government is not my mommy and I never elected a single person to that position. I will make my own choices and loive with the consequences.
Very true. If your elected representative is breast feeding you I want to get in line. We did chose our representatives to decide our business. That your candidate lost is really too bad. But my candidates won and in their wisdom H1N1 vaccinations are highly recommended for most people and required to some.
If you don’t approve of the democratic process then you might find some country practicing YOUR type of politics. Honduras for example.
If you don’t want to be vaccinated then don’t work in health care. Many, if not most, health care institutions are requiring their employees to be vaccinated so they will still be healthy enough to treat your ass when you get sick.
#34–Well Thanks Fusion. Same message, different technique. Gotta switch it up every once in a while to keep it fresh.
#32–reason==yes, its sad those unreasoning bugs didn’t give us more time. They don’t fight fair.
#33–Benji==what about them? Ignorant people are a constant, nothing new about it in 2009. It will be handled same as before.
#33, Benji,
I had all of those vaccines and never got any of those diseases. I have had the flu since 1995 when I got a flu vaccine.
I like the first part. A sane response.
I am very sorry to hear about having the flu for the past 14 years. That must really be a bummer. If you haven’t already, you should see a doctor. The flu should only last a few days to maybe a couple of weeks in extreme cases.
Since I’ve been getting flu shots for quite a few years now, it was only a couple of years ago when they missed a prediction in what type of flu would develop that I became sick. Yup, flu vaccinations worked for me.
Look when and if we have a real killer pandemic running wild and the sanitation workers are busy picking up dead bodies the authorities will do whatever they think it takes and worry about rights after the pandemic.
H1N1 isn’t anywhere near that so get over it. I don’t plan to get an H1N1 shot this year for two reasons. 1.) Doctors have told me this is completely untested and they are more afraid of the vaccine, especially the nasal spray, than the disease. 2.) The other is they have been sticking something that should cause resistance to H1N1 in the seasonal flu shots for decades and I’ve been taking them so just maybe I’m resistant.
#37 Mr Fusion, I hope you were joking and not by some twisted logic made you assume that I had the flu continuously for 14 years. “I am very sorry to hear about having the flu for the past 14 years. That must really be a bummer. If you haven’t already, you should see a doctor. The flu should only last a few days to maybe a couple of weeks in extreme cases.”
I have had the flu on about two occasions (no more than a few days at a time) since my flu shot in 1995. You missed the point when I said that flu shots are not affective like mot vaccines. Flu mutates so fast that by the time everyone gets vaccinated for H1N1 than it will mutate so the vaccine everyone gets will not protect against it. Not to mention the confusion caused by having two different flu vaccines that are out there.
Besides, our bodies have something called an immune system which makes its own defense against disease.
#31-bobbo-Daddy, why did 3 million people in the USA die from flu… Son, they wanted to be free.
Daddy, why did 3 million people in the USA die from AIDS… Son, they wanted to be free, and so they were.
#38, doill,
1.) Doctors have told me this is completely untested and they are more afraid of the vaccine, especially the nasal spray, than the disease. 2.) The other is they have been sticking something that should cause resistance to H1N1 in the seasonal flu shots for decades and I’ve been taking them so just maybe I’m resistant.
First, no sane doctor is going to tell you NOT to get vaccinated. Yes, there are some real kooks out there, but no sane doctor will argue against it. The vaccine is tested. Abet not as thoroughly as other vaccines due to the emergency nature. It uses similar components as vaccines in years past.
Second you appear to making this shit up as you go along. There is nothing in previous vaccinations that would give immunity to the H1N1 strain.
What makes the H1N1 unique is that most other strains are deviations of previous strains that have mutated some. The H1N1 is an almost totally new strain where similar strains haven’t hit since maybe 1957. Most people below 50 have no immunity excepting their natural defenses against this strain. People over 50 will have limited immunity.
I don’t care if you get the flu this year. I do care if you get it and pass it on to someone else with an already depressed immune system.
The problem is that MOST flu’s take 1 week to START to work..
IF you are already infected, the Vaccine WONT work. it to late.
If you already had the Flu, you have a good chance you wont catch it again for 1-2 years. AND you wont need the vaccine, SAVE it for someone else..
The Spread of this Flu, ISNT as an epidemic.
If this was an Epidemic, 1 kid going to school would infect at LEAST 40 others..they would infect their family’s WHICH would let it hit MALL locations and WORK..Then Back to other homes and schools. The infection SPREAD time is about 2 days BEFORE it hits you, and 2-5 days AFTER it hits you..
Unless the Numbers are WRONG at the CDC, and Flutracker THIS is not happening.
I wont even go into spread NATIONALLY or internationally. AS well as you should NOT fly in a plane with a Cold/flu..You will NOT enjoy it. A stuffed up head, and AIR pressure dont work well together.
I haven’t had the flu in many years and I haven’t had a flu shot in over a decade. I’d get sick for a month or so every November after getting the seasonal shot though. I quit getting it and I quit having problems. Connected? I don’t know but I don’t think I’ll be getting any flu shots as usual this year. Swine Flu is a just a scam, if you get the flu stay home, rest, and get plenty of fluids. I’d rather not be the person who gets permanently damaged by some rushed through vaccine.
The ability of the state to do such things was established back in the 1920’s in the case of Mary Mallon, better known as “Typhoid Mary”, who was quarantined against her will for the rest of her life on an island off of NYC.
The NYC Health Inspector was given the right to basically imprison her for life in order to protect the public from her. She at one point negotiated her freedom under the promise that she would not work as a cook. She lied, got a job as a cook under a fake name. She got more people sick. She was arrested and never released again.
Benj:
In most cases, a flu shot (any flu shot, seasonal or H1N1) may not prevent you from getting the flu, but if you do become ill, the antibodies in your blood created as a result of the vaccine will likely prevent you from suffering life-threatening complications during the course of the illness, and allow you to recover faster. Current data shows that hospitalized patients with H1N1 experience major complications and, in some cases, death, due to underlying medical conditions such as chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD), obesity, diabetes, heart disease or pregnancy (which greatly reduces the mother’s lung capacity). Normal, healthy adults probably won’t experience any of these complications, but you increase your chances of avoiding all of them by getting the vaccine.
The vast majority of H1N1 patients, however, are not hospitalized and recover completely in the normal course of the disease. In that sense, it isn’t much different than normal seasonal flu. Unfortunately, data from the southern hemisphere (which is at the end of their flu season just as the northern hemisphere is about to begin ours) suggests that H1N1 is far more contagious than most strains of seasonal flu, thus causing the World Health Organization and many of its member partners to strongly encourage people to be immunized with the H1N1 vaccine.
The vaccine has been tested extensively among a group of about 20,000 volunteers, and clinical trials have indicated that a single dose should be sufficient to provide immunity for most people, rather than the two doses originally expected to be necessary. This is good news.
You can, of course, refuse to take the vaccine. All immunizations are voluntary.
I have absolutely no idea why this is causing such hysteria in the media. The public health community may have overreacted last spring when the disease was first identified as a novel influenza virus that no one had seen before, but they didn’t want to be caught with their pants down if the pandemic had turned into a public health emergency. You can imagine the kind of criticism they’d be getting from all sides if that had happened.
Just thought I’d add another bit of expert advice from Dr. Clarke:
It has been said several times already in these posts, but I’ll repeat it.
This bill DOES NOT authorize authorities to break in and force vaccinations on those who are unwilling to be vaccinated.
And this bill is not H1N1 specific. “(d) Law enforcement authorities, upon order of the commissioner or his agent or at the request of a local public health authority pursuant to such order, shall assist emergency medical technicians or other appropriate medical personnel in the involuntary transportation of such person to the tuberculosis treatment center.”
It appears someone is stirring the sh*t up.
You will be singing a different tune when your neighborhood has its own typhoid mary.
She was a real stubborn woman and hundreds of people paid for it with their lives.
For the nanny government supporters
Be aware that most decisions don’t come from your elected people. They come from WHO, WTO etc… your elected people get money and power if they comply. Your interest is not important. It’s the same in every country that has no human values any more. Where money, force and fear rule, anything is possible. Don’t trust anyone who wants to force something on you by scaring you. People are killed and sterilised with vaccines all over the “third” world for their own good. Don’t be scared, I’m not forcing anything on you. I admit, I live in Europe, my English is bad. Bye!
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